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, you're so hip! :) Using LMK in an email vs. spelling it out. Wanna

laugh? I'm reading it quickly, see LMK, and for a moment am thinking 'why is

referencing Luther King?' this makes no sense! :)

How old does that make me????????????? :)

Laughing out loud at myself here,

Laurie

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Yes, and we've talked about developing a list of candidate questions -- I

think that's on my to-do list, right? Oops, I totally forgot. Will get working

on it this weekend & will definitely incorporate some of the great questions

generated here.

Laurie

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Laurie - you make me laugh!!!

Re: HB174 CONCERNS?

Yes, and we've talked about developing a list of candidate questions -- I

think that's on my to-do list, right? Oops, I totally forgot. Will get working

on it this weekend & will definitely incorporate some of the great questions

generated here.

Laurie

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Laurie - you make me laugh!!!

Re: HB174 CONCERNS?

Yes, and we've talked about developing a list of candidate questions -- I

think that's on my to-do list, right? Oops, I totally forgot. Will get working

on it this weekend & will definitely incorporate some of the great questions

generated here.

Laurie

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Pam, the more you tax corporations, the more reason you give them to relocate to

states that do not have a corporation income tax.  That is why.

From: pam_harris@... <pam_harris@...>

Subject: HB174 CONCERNS?

IPADDUnite

Date: Thursday, October 22, 2009, 7:14 PM

 

I did some research on HB174. The Arc of IL, an active member of the Responsible

Budget Coalition, is supporting HB 174 and has asked us to support HB 174.

I’m a little concerned about what seems to be the “heart†of the bill.

House Bill 174:

Increases the personal income tax rate from 3% to 5%.

Increases the corporate income tax rate from 4.8% to 5%.

· If I make $20,000 and I pay 3% income tax that = $600

· If I make $20,000 and I pay 5% income tax that = $1000

· A 66% increase. I will pay an extra $400 on my $20k. YIKES!

· I am a corporation and make $200,000 and pay 4.8% income tax that = $9,600

· I am a corporation and make $200,000 and pay 5% income tax that = $10,000

· A 4% increase. Corporate pays an extra $400 on 200k. HUH?

This is simple mathematics. Why are they suggesting I support a 66% personal

income tax and only a 4% corporate income tax?

Can’t we support a budget that doesn’t place the burden on individual

citizens? I say raise the % that corporations will pay above that to be paid by

individual citizens. Stop putting the burden on the working people. Then I’ll

think about supporting HB 174.

Pam

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Pam, the more you tax corporations, the more reason you give them to relocate to

states that do not have a corporation income tax.  That is why.

From: pam_harris@... <pam_harris@...>

Subject: HB174 CONCERNS?

IPADDUnite

Date: Thursday, October 22, 2009, 7:14 PM

 

I did some research on HB174. The Arc of IL, an active member of the Responsible

Budget Coalition, is supporting HB 174 and has asked us to support HB 174.

I’m a little concerned about what seems to be the “heart†of the bill.

House Bill 174:

Increases the personal income tax rate from 3% to 5%.

Increases the corporate income tax rate from 4.8% to 5%.

· If I make $20,000 and I pay 3% income tax that = $600

· If I make $20,000 and I pay 5% income tax that = $1000

· A 66% increase. I will pay an extra $400 on my $20k. YIKES!

· I am a corporation and make $200,000 and pay 4.8% income tax that = $9,600

· I am a corporation and make $200,000 and pay 5% income tax that = $10,000

· A 4% increase. Corporate pays an extra $400 on 200k. HUH?

This is simple mathematics. Why are they suggesting I support a 66% personal

income tax and only a 4% corporate income tax?

Can’t we support a budget that doesn’t place the burden on individual

citizens? I say raise the % that corporations will pay above that to be paid by

individual citizens. Stop putting the burden on the working people. Then I’ll

think about supporting HB 174.

Pam

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House Bill 174:

Increases the personal income tax rate from 3% to 5%. (66%+)

Increases the corporate income tax rate from 4.8% to 5%. (4%+)

Originally, the increase for personal income tax rate was 4.5%. It was raised to

5%.

Originally, the increase for corporate income tax was 8%.

It was reduced to 5% via an amendment.

It’s this disparity that makes me uncomfortable. To me, it feels like the

burden of the tax increase is not being fairly shared.

As I continue to research HB 174, I found this document to be helpful.

http://thecapitolfaxblog.com/Combine_Quinn_and_Hynes.pdf

Pam

For those with a growing interest in IL politics, please consider following my

on Twitter.

@pam_harris

HB174 CONCERNS?

IPADDUnite

Date: Thursday, October 22, 2009, 7:14 PM

I did some research on HB174. The Arc of IL, an active member of the Responsible

Budget Coalition, is supporting HB 174 and has asked us to support HB 174.

I’m a little concerned about what seems to be the “heart†of the bill.

House Bill 174:

Increases the personal income tax rate from 3% to 5%.

Increases the corporate income tax rate from 4.8% to 5%.

· If I make $20,000 and I pay 3% income tax that = $600

· If I make $20,000 and I pay 5% income tax that = $1000

· A 66% increase. I will pay an extra $400 on my $20k. YIKES!

· I am a corporation and make $200,000 and pay 4.8% income tax that = $9,600

· I am a corporation and make $200,000 and pay 5% income tax that = $10,000

· A 4% increase. Corporate pays an extra $400 on 200k. HUH?

This is simple mathematics. Why are they suggesting I support a 66% personal

income tax and only a 4% corporate income tax?

Can’t we support a budget that doesn’t place the burden on individual

citizens? I say raise the % that corporations will pay above that to be paid by

individual citizens. Stop putting the burden on the working people. Then I’ll

think about supporting HB 174.

Pam

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House Bill 174:

Increases the personal income tax rate from 3% to 5%. (66%+)

Increases the corporate income tax rate from 4.8% to 5%. (4%+)

Originally, the increase for personal income tax rate was 4.5%. It was raised to

5%.

Originally, the increase for corporate income tax was 8%.

It was reduced to 5% via an amendment.

It’s this disparity that makes me uncomfortable. To me, it feels like the

burden of the tax increase is not being fairly shared.

As I continue to research HB 174, I found this document to be helpful.

http://thecapitolfaxblog.com/Combine_Quinn_and_Hynes.pdf

Pam

For those with a growing interest in IL politics, please consider following my

on Twitter.

@pam_harris

HB174 CONCERNS?

IPADDUnite

Date: Thursday, October 22, 2009, 7:14 PM

I did some research on HB174. The Arc of IL, an active member of the Responsible

Budget Coalition, is supporting HB 174 and has asked us to support HB 174.

I’m a little concerned about what seems to be the “heart†of the bill.

House Bill 174:

Increases the personal income tax rate from 3% to 5%.

Increases the corporate income tax rate from 4.8% to 5%.

· If I make $20,000 and I pay 3% income tax that = $600

· If I make $20,000 and I pay 5% income tax that = $1000

· A 66% increase. I will pay an extra $400 on my $20k. YIKES!

· I am a corporation and make $200,000 and pay 4.8% income tax that = $9,600

· I am a corporation and make $200,000 and pay 5% income tax that = $10,000

· A 4% increase. Corporate pays an extra $400 on 200k. HUH?

This is simple mathematics. Why are they suggesting I support a 66% personal

income tax and only a 4% corporate income tax?

Can’t we support a budget that doesn’t place the burden on individual

citizens? I say raise the % that corporations will pay above that to be paid by

individual citizens. Stop putting the burden on the working people. Then I’ll

think about supporting HB 174.

Pam

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Ellen

 

Thank you for your ongoing leadersip on this list.

 

Forgive me, all, for sharing the post I was sent offline of this list as Ellen

is correct. It was my human fraility that caused me to share it. I apologize if

the post offended any one.

 

Please strike it from your emails as appropriate.

 

Thanks, Ellen! 

Humbly grateful to be your companion

on the journey...

Gordon P. Stiefel

Phone: 708 246 5151

Fax: 708 246 9144

" All great change in America

begins at the dinner table " , Reagan.

" Now more than ever, in a world all too often deprived of light and

the courage of noble ideals, it is not the time to be ashamed of the Gospel (cf.

Rom 1: 16).

Rather, it is time to preach it from the rooftops (cf. Mt 10: 27)! "

National Meeting of Young Catholics of Switzerland (2004), Address of

II

..

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Subject: Re: HB174 CONCERNS?

IPADDUnite@gro ups.com

Date: Friday, October 23, 2009, 10:45 AM

Laurie - you make me laugh!!!

Re: HB174 CONCERNS?

Yes, and we've talked about developing a list of candidate questions -- I think

that's on my to-do list, right? Oops, I totally forgot. Will get working on it

this weekend & will definitely incorporate some of the great questions generated

here.

Laurie

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Ellen

 

Thank you for your ongoing leadersip on this list.

 

Forgive me, all, for sharing the post I was sent offline of this list as Ellen

is correct. It was my human fraility that caused me to share it. I apologize if

the post offended any one.

 

Please strike it from your emails as appropriate.

 

Thanks, Ellen! 

Humbly grateful to be your companion

on the journey...

Gordon P. Stiefel

Phone: 708 246 5151

Fax: 708 246 9144

" All great change in America

begins at the dinner table " , Reagan.

" Now more than ever, in a world all too often deprived of light and

the courage of noble ideals, it is not the time to be ashamed of the Gospel (cf.

Rom 1: 16).

Rather, it is time to preach it from the rooftops (cf. Mt 10: 27)! "

National Meeting of Young Catholics of Switzerland (2004), Address of

II

..

From: Richter <ginar_30sbcglobal (DOT) net>

Subject: Re: HB174 CONCERNS?

IPADDUnite@gro ups.com

Date: Friday, October 23, 2009, 10:45 AM

Laurie - you make me laugh!!!

Re: HB174 CONCERNS?

Yes, and we've talked about developing a list of candidate questions -- I think

that's on my to-do list, right? Oops, I totally forgot. Will get working on it

this weekend & will definitely incorporate some of the great questions generated

here.

Laurie

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As some of the folks on our list have asked me off line, what got me to the

point of sharing the inappropriate posting this AM for which I do apologize, I

thought I should share that info with the list.

 

Yesterday, I had the pleasure of watching on the local news a great interview of

Ficker Terrill, CEO, Ray Graham Association about the budget crunch in

Illinois.

 

As I watched this awesome interview, I thought to myself is this really the role

of RGA or should it not have been the Arc of Illinois leading the way for folks

with disabilities as the umbrella advocacy organization for multiple agencies

that are either tethered to or rely on the Arc for leadership and information.

 

ly, I am just sick about Gov Quinn using people with disabilities as the

poster children for why Illinois has a $12 billion problem. I am equally sick

and disappointed by the apparent rheotric of the Arc of Illinois that uses us,

again, to urge a tax hike as the way to fill a $12 billion hole. Do we need a

tax hike to be in a position to appropriately fund disability services -- I do

not know. 

 

All I do know is we, as a community, are underfunded. I also know statewide we

are all hurting financially in this recession! I also know the Arc has not

offered any assistance with the legal battle underway to stop the unions from

attempting to organize, again, next year.

 

My message is simple -- we need statewide leadership at all levels that is

committed to providing programs for the poorest of the poor and disabled folks

and will do it with integrity, honesty, and human dignity,  e.g.  the Home

Based Support Services program works; it saves the State money and keeps

families together!   

 

Thank you & RGA for all you did yesterday, today and tomorrow to support

persons and families of people with disabilities!

 

Thank you, TEAM IPADD!

Humbly grateful to be your companion

on the journey...

Gordon P. Stiefel

Phone: 708 246 5151

Fax: 708 246 9144

" All great change in America

begins at the dinner table " , Reagan.

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As some of the folks on our list have asked me off line, what got me to the

point of sharing the inappropriate posting this AM for which I do apologize, I

thought I should share that info with the list.

 

Yesterday, I had the pleasure of watching on the local news a great interview of

Ficker Terrill, CEO, Ray Graham Association about the budget crunch in

Illinois.

 

As I watched this awesome interview, I thought to myself is this really the role

of RGA or should it not have been the Arc of Illinois leading the way for folks

with disabilities as the umbrella advocacy organization for multiple agencies

that are either tethered to or rely on the Arc for leadership and information.

 

ly, I am just sick about Gov Quinn using people with disabilities as the

poster children for why Illinois has a $12 billion problem. I am equally sick

and disappointed by the apparent rheotric of the Arc of Illinois that uses us,

again, to urge a tax hike as the way to fill a $12 billion hole. Do we need a

tax hike to be in a position to appropriately fund disability services -- I do

not know. 

 

All I do know is we, as a community, are underfunded. I also know statewide we

are all hurting financially in this recession! I also know the Arc has not

offered any assistance with the legal battle underway to stop the unions from

attempting to organize, again, next year.

 

My message is simple -- we need statewide leadership at all levels that is

committed to providing programs for the poorest of the poor and disabled folks

and will do it with integrity, honesty, and human dignity,  e.g.  the Home

Based Support Services program works; it saves the State money and keeps

families together!   

 

Thank you & RGA for all you did yesterday, today and tomorrow to support

persons and families of people with disabilities!

 

Thank you, TEAM IPADD!

Humbly grateful to be your companion

on the journey...

Gordon P. Stiefel

Phone: 708 246 5151

Fax: 708 246 9144

" All great change in America

begins at the dinner table " , Reagan.

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I would like to thank Gordon for his apology and to share this quote with all of

you. We are just beginning " election season " here in Illinois--I heard on the

radio in my car this afternoon the Pols are lining up to get their names on the

ballot both in Springfield and up here in Chicagoland. More than ever, I am

using this idea as a yardstick for my vote this year. It doesn't matter to me

if a candidate is a Republican or a Democrat as long as they consider my son and

his peers in their decisions. Love Hump or hate him, you've got to agree with

him.

" The moral test of a government is how it treats those who are at the dawn of

life, the children; those who are in the twilight of life, the aged; and those

who are in the shadow of life, the sick, the needy, and the handicapped. " 1976,

Hubert Humphrey

Marie

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I would like to thank Gordon for his apology and to share this quote with all of

you. We are just beginning " election season " here in Illinois--I heard on the

radio in my car this afternoon the Pols are lining up to get their names on the

ballot both in Springfield and up here in Chicagoland. More than ever, I am

using this idea as a yardstick for my vote this year. It doesn't matter to me

if a candidate is a Republican or a Democrat as long as they consider my son and

his peers in their decisions. Love Hump or hate him, you've got to agree with

him.

" The moral test of a government is how it treats those who are at the dawn of

life, the children; those who are in the twilight of life, the aged; and those

who are in the shadow of life, the sick, the needy, and the handicapped. " 1976,

Hubert Humphrey

Marie

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