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Maybe someone could explain this to me. When I read thru the text and scan the

amendments attached to HB174, what befuddles me is this -- there appears to be

NO MENTION WHATSOEVER of any funding being directed to social services, human

services, etc. What I see are sections regarding estate taxes, 529 college

tuition savings withdrawals, raising personal and corporate income taxes,

etc....but nowhere is there any mention (that I see) of giving any of the money

to our causes.

Someone please enlighten us. Why are we supposed to be pushing for more revenue

without any idea of where it will be spent?

Anyone?

Laurie

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Maybe someone could explain this to me. When I read thru the text and scan the

amendments attached to HB174, what befuddles me is this -- there appears to be

NO MENTION WHATSOEVER of any funding being directed to social services, human

services, etc. What I see are sections regarding estate taxes, 529 college

tuition savings withdrawals, raising personal and corporate income taxes,

etc....but nowhere is there any mention (that I see) of giving any of the money

to our causes.

Someone please enlighten us. Why are we supposed to be pushing for more revenue

without any idea of where it will be spent?

Anyone?

Laurie

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I am not going to argue whether we should or should not have an increase in

taxes, but I would point out that we have had a mass exodus of businesses in

Illinois and therefore, we have experienced concomitant job losses and

unemployment. We will not be able to generate jobs vis a vis new businesses if

we penalize corporations from coming to Illinois. This is a really complex

issue. I would recommend that all of us pay attention to the rhetoric on both

sides. When you hear of a primary candidate coming to speak in your community,

go if you can, and bring with a list of questions about what is most important

to you. Ask various candidates on both sides of the aisle the same questions.

Take notes. We cannot complain about election results and policy decisions our

elected officials make if we did not participate in the process of selecting

them.

Ellen

Ellen Garber Bronfeld

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HB174 CONCERNS?

I did some research on HB174. The Arc of IL, an active member of the

Responsible Budget Coalition, is supporting HB 174 and has asked us to support

HB 174.

I’m a little concerned about what seems to be the “heart†of the bill.

House Bill 174:

Increases the personal income tax rate from 3% to 5%.

Increases the corporate income tax rate from 4.8% to 5%.

· If I make $20,000 and I pay 3% income tax that = $600

· If I make $20,000 and I pay 5% income tax that = $1000

· A 66% increase. I will pay an extra $400 on my $20k. YIKES!

· I am a corporation and make $200,000 and pay 4.8% income tax that = $9,600

· I am a corporation and make $200,000 and pay 5% income tax that = $10,000

· A 4% increase. Corporate pays an extra $400 on 200k. HUH?

This is simple mathematics. Why are they suggesting I support a 66% personal

income tax and only a 4% corporate income tax?

Can’t we support a budget that doesn’t place the burden on individual

citizens? I say raise the % that corporations will pay above that to be paid by

individual citizens. Stop putting the burden on the working people. Then I’ll

think about supporting HB 174.

Pam

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I am not going to argue whether we should or should not have an increase in

taxes, but I would point out that we have had a mass exodus of businesses in

Illinois and therefore, we have experienced concomitant job losses and

unemployment. We will not be able to generate jobs vis a vis new businesses if

we penalize corporations from coming to Illinois. This is a really complex

issue. I would recommend that all of us pay attention to the rhetoric on both

sides. When you hear of a primary candidate coming to speak in your community,

go if you can, and bring with a list of questions about what is most important

to you. Ask various candidates on both sides of the aisle the same questions.

Take notes. We cannot complain about election results and policy decisions our

elected officials make if we did not participate in the process of selecting

them.

Ellen

Ellen Garber Bronfeld

egskb@...

HB174 CONCERNS?

I did some research on HB174. The Arc of IL, an active member of the

Responsible Budget Coalition, is supporting HB 174 and has asked us to support

HB 174.

I’m a little concerned about what seems to be the “heart†of the bill.

House Bill 174:

Increases the personal income tax rate from 3% to 5%.

Increases the corporate income tax rate from 4.8% to 5%.

· If I make $20,000 and I pay 3% income tax that = $600

· If I make $20,000 and I pay 5% income tax that = $1000

· A 66% increase. I will pay an extra $400 on my $20k. YIKES!

· I am a corporation and make $200,000 and pay 4.8% income tax that = $9,600

· I am a corporation and make $200,000 and pay 5% income tax that = $10,000

· A 4% increase. Corporate pays an extra $400 on 200k. HUH?

This is simple mathematics. Why are they suggesting I support a 66% personal

income tax and only a 4% corporate income tax?

Can’t we support a budget that doesn’t place the burden on individual

citizens? I say raise the % that corporations will pay above that to be paid by

individual citizens. Stop putting the burden on the working people. Then I’ll

think about supporting HB 174.

Pam

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Laurie:

I will make this one of the questions I ask, the next time I go to a political

candidates forum!

Thanks.

Ellen

Ellen Garber Bronfeld

egskb@...

Re: HB174 CONCERNS?

Maybe someone could explain this to me. When I read thru the text and scan

the amendments attached to HB174, what befuddles me is this -- there appears to

be NO MENTION WHATSOEVER of any funding being directed to social services, human

services, etc. What I see are sections regarding estate taxes, 529 college

tuition savings withdrawals, raising personal and corporate income taxes,

etc....but nowhere is there any mention (that I see) of giving any of the money

to our causes.

Someone please enlighten us. Why are we supposed to be pushing for more

revenue without any idea of where it will be spent?

Anyone?

Laurie

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Laurie:

I will make this one of the questions I ask, the next time I go to a political

candidates forum!

Thanks.

Ellen

Ellen Garber Bronfeld

egskb@...

Re: HB174 CONCERNS?

Maybe someone could explain this to me. When I read thru the text and scan

the amendments attached to HB174, what befuddles me is this -- there appears to

be NO MENTION WHATSOEVER of any funding being directed to social services, human

services, etc. What I see are sections regarding estate taxes, 529 college

tuition savings withdrawals, raising personal and corporate income taxes,

etc....but nowhere is there any mention (that I see) of giving any of the money

to our causes.

Someone please enlighten us. Why are we supposed to be pushing for more

revenue without any idea of where it will be spent?

Anyone?

Laurie

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I think we should try to educate ourselves on the specifics of HB 174. It is a

concern that the original bill had corporate tax increases at 8% then an

amendment lowered it significantly to 5%.

If I'm being asked to support a bill, I'd like to make sure the bill is fair to

families. To ask families to carry the burden of a tax increase over

corporations is not unfair.

IL receives revenue from a variety of sources. Personal income tax leads the

sources - corporate income tax comes next and then sales tax. Most indicators

say we are coming out of the recession but it will take several months before

there is a noticeable difference. For the past several months, IL's employment

went down because people lost their jobs. This lowered the personal income tax

receipts. Corporate tax revenues were also down but much much less. And of

course, people spent less so sales tax revenues were also down.

Read this from the Commission on Government Forecasting and Accountability's

Monthly Briefing September 2009:

" Through September, gross personal income tax is down $278 million, or $251

million net of refunds. Sales tax is down a stunning $244 million reflecting a

very cautious consumer while gross corporate income tax is off $113 million, or

$93 million net of refunds. All remaining sources contributed a net drop of $45

million. "

IF the answer to Illinois' fiscal problems is a tax increase, then someone needs

to explain to my why the lawmakers changed their minds and reduced the proposed

corporate tax increase while keeping the personal income tax rate increase at

66%?

Pam

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I think we should try to educate ourselves on the specifics of HB 174. It is a

concern that the original bill had corporate tax increases at 8% then an

amendment lowered it significantly to 5%.

If I'm being asked to support a bill, I'd like to make sure the bill is fair to

families. To ask families to carry the burden of a tax increase over

corporations is not unfair.

IL receives revenue from a variety of sources. Personal income tax leads the

sources - corporate income tax comes next and then sales tax. Most indicators

say we are coming out of the recession but it will take several months before

there is a noticeable difference. For the past several months, IL's employment

went down because people lost their jobs. This lowered the personal income tax

receipts. Corporate tax revenues were also down but much much less. And of

course, people spent less so sales tax revenues were also down.

Read this from the Commission on Government Forecasting and Accountability's

Monthly Briefing September 2009:

" Through September, gross personal income tax is down $278 million, or $251

million net of refunds. Sales tax is down a stunning $244 million reflecting a

very cautious consumer while gross corporate income tax is off $113 million, or

$93 million net of refunds. All remaining sources contributed a net drop of $45

million. "

IF the answer to Illinois' fiscal problems is a tax increase, then someone needs

to explain to my why the lawmakers changed their minds and reduced the proposed

corporate tax increase while keeping the personal income tax rate increase at

66%?

Pam

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More good questions I can add to my list for the next candidate event.

I wonder if we should try to have some sort of candidate forum, perhaps for the

Gubernatorial candidates on both sides of the aisle? Perhaps some other entity

is planning on doing that...does anyone know?

Ellen

Ellen Garber Bronfeld

egskb@...

Re: HB174 CONCERNS?

I think we should try to educate ourselves on the specifics of HB 174. It is

a concern that the original bill had corporate tax increases at 8% then an

amendment lowered it significantly to 5%.

If I'm being asked to support a bill, I'd like to make sure the bill is fair

to families. To ask families to carry the burden of a tax increase over

corporations is not unfair.

IL receives revenue from a variety of sources. Personal income tax leads the

sources - corporate income tax comes next and then sales tax. Most indicators

say we are coming out of the recession but it will take several months before

there is a noticeable difference. For the past several months, IL's employment

went down because people lost their jobs. This lowered the personal income tax

receipts. Corporate tax revenues were also down but much much less. And of

course, people spent less so sales tax revenues were also down.

Read this from the Commission on Government Forecasting and Accountability's

Monthly Briefing September 2009:

" Through September, gross personal income tax is down $278 million, or $251

million net of refunds. Sales tax is down a stunning $244 million reflecting a

very cautious consumer while gross corporate income tax is off $113 million, or

$93 million net of refunds. All remaining sources contributed a net drop of $45

million. "

IF the answer to Illinois' fiscal problems is a tax increase, then someone

needs to explain to my why the lawmakers changed their minds and reduced the

proposed corporate tax increase while keeping the personal income tax rate

increase at 66%?

Pam

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More good questions I can add to my list for the next candidate event.

I wonder if we should try to have some sort of candidate forum, perhaps for the

Gubernatorial candidates on both sides of the aisle? Perhaps some other entity

is planning on doing that...does anyone know?

Ellen

Ellen Garber Bronfeld

egskb@...

Re: HB174 CONCERNS?

I think we should try to educate ourselves on the specifics of HB 174. It is

a concern that the original bill had corporate tax increases at 8% then an

amendment lowered it significantly to 5%.

If I'm being asked to support a bill, I'd like to make sure the bill is fair

to families. To ask families to carry the burden of a tax increase over

corporations is not unfair.

IL receives revenue from a variety of sources. Personal income tax leads the

sources - corporate income tax comes next and then sales tax. Most indicators

say we are coming out of the recession but it will take several months before

there is a noticeable difference. For the past several months, IL's employment

went down because people lost their jobs. This lowered the personal income tax

receipts. Corporate tax revenues were also down but much much less. And of

course, people spent less so sales tax revenues were also down.

Read this from the Commission on Government Forecasting and Accountability's

Monthly Briefing September 2009:

" Through September, gross personal income tax is down $278 million, or $251

million net of refunds. Sales tax is down a stunning $244 million reflecting a

very cautious consumer while gross corporate income tax is off $113 million, or

$93 million net of refunds. All remaining sources contributed a net drop of $45

million. "

IF the answer to Illinois' fiscal problems is a tax increase, then someone

needs to explain to my why the lawmakers changed their minds and reduced the

proposed corporate tax increase while keeping the personal income tax rate

increase at 66%?

Pam

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Yes, and we've talked about developing a list of candidate questions -- I think

that's on my to-do list, right? Oops, I totally forgot. Will get working on it

this weekend & will definitely incorporate some of the great questions generated

here.

Laurie

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Yes, and we've talked about developing a list of candidate questions -- I think

that's on my to-do list, right? Oops, I totally forgot. Will get working on it

this weekend & will definitely incorporate some of the great questions generated

here.

Laurie

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I am having lunch with Allan B next Wednesday...he has been working on some

questions as well...you are more than welcomed to join us...but I have a hair

appointment in the am and some stuff in the late afternoon, so we definitely

have to meet in Northbrook :( That's why I didn't try to get the group

together...I will be in Springfield on Tuesday...it will be another crazy busy

week...

Do you think these political postings are ok? I am going to stay as neutral as

possible...present info without opinion...

I am hoping that Pam will get the idea and do the same...it appears that is what

happened this evening...I was pleased that she toned it down...I think the right

approach would be to stick to the facts and present as many different views as

possible minus the editorials...not easy for any of us:)

A list of questions would be so helpful, I think.

E

Ellen Garber Bronfeld

egskb@...

Re: HB174 CONCERNS?

Yes, and we've talked about developing a list of candidate questions -- I

think that's on my to-do list, right? Oops, I totally forgot. Will get working

on it this weekend & will definitely incorporate some of the great questions

generated here.

Laurie

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I am having lunch with Allan B next Wednesday...he has been working on some

questions as well...you are more than welcomed to join us...but I have a hair

appointment in the am and some stuff in the late afternoon, so we definitely

have to meet in Northbrook :( That's why I didn't try to get the group

together...I will be in Springfield on Tuesday...it will be another crazy busy

week...

Do you think these political postings are ok? I am going to stay as neutral as

possible...present info without opinion...

I am hoping that Pam will get the idea and do the same...it appears that is what

happened this evening...I was pleased that she toned it down...I think the right

approach would be to stick to the facts and present as many different views as

possible minus the editorials...not easy for any of us:)

A list of questions would be so helpful, I think.

E

Ellen Garber Bronfeld

egskb@...

Re: HB174 CONCERNS?

Yes, and we've talked about developing a list of candidate questions -- I

think that's on my to-do list, right? Oops, I totally forgot. Will get working

on it this weekend & will definitely incorporate some of the great questions

generated here.

Laurie

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>

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> I did some research on HB174. The Arc of IL, an active member of the

Responsible Budget Coalition, is supporting HB 174 and has asked us to support

HB 174.

>

>

>

> I’m a little concerned about what seems to be the “heart†of the bill.

>

> House Bill 174:

>

> Increases the personal income tax rate from 3% to 5%.

>

> Increases the corporate income tax rate from 4.8% to 5%.

>

> · If I make $20,000 and I pay 3% income tax that = $600

>

> · If I make $20,000 and I pay 5% income tax that = $1000

>

> · A 66% increase. I will pay an extra $400 on my $20k. YIKES!

>

>

>

> · I am a corporation and make $200,000 and pay 4.8% income tax that = $9,600

>

> · I am a corporation and make $200,000 and pay 5% income tax that = $10,000

>

> · A 4% increase. Corporate pays an extra $400 on 200k. HUH?

>

>

>

> This is simple mathematics. Why are they suggesting I support a 66% personal

income tax and only a 4% corporate income tax?

>

>

>

> Can’t we support a budget that doesn’t place the burden on individual

citizens? I say raise the % that corporations will pay above that to be paid by

individual citizens. Stop putting the burden on the working people. Then I’ll

think about supporting HB 174.

> Pam

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>

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>

>

> I did some research on HB174. The Arc of IL, an active member of the

Responsible Budget Coalition, is supporting HB 174 and has asked us to support

HB 174.

>

>

>

> I’m a little concerned about what seems to be the “heart†of the bill.

>

> House Bill 174:

>

> Increases the personal income tax rate from 3% to 5%.

>

> Increases the corporate income tax rate from 4.8% to 5%.

>

> · If I make $20,000 and I pay 3% income tax that = $600

>

> · If I make $20,000 and I pay 5% income tax that = $1000

>

> · A 66% increase. I will pay an extra $400 on my $20k. YIKES!

>

>

>

> · I am a corporation and make $200,000 and pay 4.8% income tax that = $9,600

>

> · I am a corporation and make $200,000 and pay 5% income tax that = $10,000

>

> · A 4% increase. Corporate pays an extra $400 on 200k. HUH?

>

>

>

> This is simple mathematics. Why are they suggesting I support a 66% personal

income tax and only a 4% corporate income tax?

>

>

>

> Can’t we support a budget that doesn’t place the burden on individual

citizens? I say raise the % that corporations will pay above that to be paid by

individual citizens. Stop putting the burden on the working people. Then I’ll

think about supporting HB 174.

> Pam

>

>

>

>

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, Pam and all

I'm sure there are a lot of IPADD readers out there who agree with your

assessments of Illinois. I hear from people all the time, from both sides of

the political spectrum, who express worries about throwing more money into what

one person described as 'the big black hole' that is Springfield. IPADD is

going to try to get more information about the Responsible Budget Coalition's

goals and HB 174 in the near future, and we'll share it here. Everyone needs to

make up their own minds, and we need more solid information before doing that.

Thanks for your comments!

Laurie

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, Pam and all

I'm sure there are a lot of IPADD readers out there who agree with your

assessments of Illinois. I hear from people all the time, from both sides of

the political spectrum, who express worries about throwing more money into what

one person described as 'the big black hole' that is Springfield. IPADD is

going to try to get more information about the Responsible Budget Coalition's

goals and HB 174 in the near future, and we'll share it here. Everyone needs to

make up their own minds, and we need more solid information before doing that.

Thanks for your comments!

Laurie

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Thanks for getting that information - the " big black hole " AKA General Revenue

Fund -which all of the adult Medicaid match money goes into until 2012!

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, Pam and all

I'm sure there are a lot of IPADD readers out there who agree with your

assessments of Illinois. I hear from people all the time, from both sides of the

political spectrum, who express worries about throwing more money into what one

person described as 'the big black hole' that is Springfield. IPADD is going to

try to get more information about the Responsible Budget Coalition's goals and

HB 174 in the near future, and we'll share it here. Everyone needs to make up

their own minds, and we need more solid information before doing that. Thanks

for your comments!

Laurie

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Thanks for getting that information - the " big black hole " AKA General Revenue

Fund -which all of the adult Medicaid match money goes into until 2012!

Re: Re: HB174 CONCERNS?

, Pam and all

I'm sure there are a lot of IPADD readers out there who agree with your

assessments of Illinois. I hear from people all the time, from both sides of the

political spectrum, who express worries about throwing more money into what one

person described as 'the big black hole' that is Springfield. IPADD is going to

try to get more information about the Responsible Budget Coalition's goals and

HB 174 in the near future, and we'll share it here. Everyone needs to make up

their own minds, and we need more solid information before doing that. Thanks

for your comments!

Laurie

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Thanks for getting questions together - Meeting with the legislators is not my

problem, educating them on the issues I can do - knowing what questions to ask

them so I know where they stand - definitely a weakness!

Re: HB174 CONCERNS?

Yes, and we've talked about developing a list of candidate questions -- I

think that's on my to-do list, right? Oops, I totally forgot. Will get working

on it this weekend & will definitely incorporate some of the great questions

generated here.

Laurie

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Thanks for getting questions together - Meeting with the legislators is not my

problem, educating them on the issues I can do - knowing what questions to ask

them so I know where they stand - definitely a weakness!

Re: HB174 CONCERNS?

Yes, and we've talked about developing a list of candidate questions -- I

think that's on my to-do list, right? Oops, I totally forgot. Will get working

on it this weekend & will definitely incorporate some of the great questions

generated here.

Laurie

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Allan, as always, will have some great questions! LMK his take on HB 174!

Thanks!

Re: HB174 CONCERNS?

Yes, and we've talked about developing a list of candidate questions -- I

think that's on my to-do list, right? Oops, I totally forgot. Will get working

on it this weekend & will definitely incorporate some of the great questions

generated here.

Laurie

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Allan, as always, will have some great questions! LMK his take on HB 174!

Thanks!

Re: HB174 CONCERNS?

Yes, and we've talked about developing a list of candidate questions -- I

think that's on my to-do list, right? Oops, I totally forgot. Will get working

on it this weekend & will definitely incorporate some of the great questions

generated here.

Laurie

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, you're so hip! :) Using LMK in an email vs. spelling it out. Wanna

laugh? I'm reading it quickly, see LMK, and for a moment am thinking 'why is

referencing Luther King?' this makes no sense! :)

How old does that make me????????????? :)

Laughing out loud at myself here,

Laurie

Re: HB174 CONCERNS?

Yes, and we've talked about developing a list of candidate questions -- I

think that's on my to-do list, right? Oops, I totally forgot. Will get working

on it this weekend & will definitely incorporate some of the great questions

generated here.

Laurie

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