Guest guest Posted July 15, 2009 Report Share Posted July 15, 2009 What if parents and others who care about these kids threatened to withhold their taxes? Like any other civil disobedience, it would only work if done by masses of people. It would have to swamp the system, and the withheld tax monies would have to be put in an account somewhere. I can't think of the name for such an account,k but it might be escrow. The way to change things NOW would be for these thousands of parents to sign a document committing to do that, so thqt the politicos could see in advance what is coming. This is the only way I can see to avoid having the kids in peril. REALLY, being arrested is a nightmare for vulnerable people like this. Jean On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 12:35 AM, ellenbronfeld <egskb@...> wrote: > > > Many families are talking about a plan to mount a civil disobedience > campaign. > I haven't a clue how to do this since we don't have any seats on the bus to > begin with... > Do we: > a. Sit on legislators doorsteps with our kids for the day (pulling them out > of programs that still exist and disrupting their lives further...) > b. schlep to Springfield, spending what little money we all have on hotels, > further disrupting our lives and those of our children??? > > How do we conduct civil disobedience when we need to be home with our kids > who have disabilities and be parents to our other children? What about those > of us who work to put food on the table? Parks did not have a child > with a disability...how do we match her vision with deeds that make sense > for us? > I am going to bed but I guarantee I will go to sleep thinking about this > and I will wake up in the morning thinking about this... > Ellen > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2009 Report Share Posted July 15, 2009 What if parents and others who care about these kids threatened to withhold their taxes? Like any other civil disobedience, it would only work if done by masses of people. It would have to swamp the system, and the withheld tax monies would have to be put in an account somewhere. I can't think of the name for such an account,k but it might be escrow. The way to change things NOW would be for these thousands of parents to sign a document committing to do that, so thqt the politicos could see in advance what is coming. This is the only way I can see to avoid having the kids in peril. REALLY, being arrested is a nightmare for vulnerable people like this. Jean On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 12:35 AM, ellenbronfeld <egskb@...> wrote: > > > Many families are talking about a plan to mount a civil disobedience > campaign. > I haven't a clue how to do this since we don't have any seats on the bus to > begin with... > Do we: > a. Sit on legislators doorsteps with our kids for the day (pulling them out > of programs that still exist and disrupting their lives further...) > b. schlep to Springfield, spending what little money we all have on hotels, > further disrupting our lives and those of our children??? > > How do we conduct civil disobedience when we need to be home with our kids > who have disabilities and be parents to our other children? What about those > of us who work to put food on the table? Parks did not have a child > with a disability...how do we match her vision with deeds that make sense > for us? > I am going to bed but I guarantee I will go to sleep thinking about this > and I will wake up in the morning thinking about this... > Ellen > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2009 Report Share Posted July 15, 2009 Something like this was planned in Great Britain a few years ago, as a complaint method by older parents who felt that the British healthcare system was assuming that parents were going to live forever to take care of their kids w/various disabilities. (I heard about it before it happened, but didn't hear how it worked out.) I'd say, if you want to make a moderate impression on lots of legislators, go to Springfield. But you'd want to arrange it so everyone could go on the same day and make a visual impact. But then, isn't that kind of like lobbying day? If you'd like to make a fairly big impact on your own legislator, go to the local office. This could be magnified by others going on the same day....or at least the same week. These offices are not that big; your household will be in the way, which is the whole idea. I think the point would be to show the legislators: This is about real people with real familiesIn some cases, these are folks with serious needsIn some cases, these are folks with elderly parentsThese needs are every day, round the clockI think to stay for a couple of hours would be sufficient, especially if you can chat with the staff as they work. I would see no problem with bringing along other kids in the family, if they are willing to come. If this were my family, I'd choose a day that my child didn't have any programs to go to. -Gail From: ellenbronfeld <egskb@...> Subject: Civil Disobedience... IPADDUnite Date: Wednesday, July 15, 2009, 12:35 AM Many families are talking about a plan to mount a civil disobedience campaign. I haven't a clue how to do this since we don't have any seats on the bus to begin with... Do we: a. Sit on legislators doorsteps with our kids for the day (pulling them out of programs that still exist and disrupting their lives further...) b. schlep to Springfield, spending what little money we all have on hotels, further disrupting our lives and those of our children??? How do we conduct civil disobedience when we need to be home with our kids who have disabilities and be parents to our other children? What about those of us who work to put food on the table? Parks did not have a child with a disability.. .how do we match her vision with deeds that make sense for us? I am going to bed but I guarantee I will go to sleep thinking about this and I will wake up in the morning thinking about this... Ellen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2009 Report Share Posted July 15, 2009 Something like this was planned in Great Britain a few years ago, as a complaint method by older parents who felt that the British healthcare system was assuming that parents were going to live forever to take care of their kids w/various disabilities. (I heard about it before it happened, but didn't hear how it worked out.) I'd say, if you want to make a moderate impression on lots of legislators, go to Springfield. But you'd want to arrange it so everyone could go on the same day and make a visual impact. But then, isn't that kind of like lobbying day? If you'd like to make a fairly big impact on your own legislator, go to the local office. This could be magnified by others going on the same day....or at least the same week. These offices are not that big; your household will be in the way, which is the whole idea. I think the point would be to show the legislators: This is about real people with real familiesIn some cases, these are folks with serious needsIn some cases, these are folks with elderly parentsThese needs are every day, round the clockI think to stay for a couple of hours would be sufficient, especially if you can chat with the staff as they work. I would see no problem with bringing along other kids in the family, if they are willing to come. If this were my family, I'd choose a day that my child didn't have any programs to go to. -Gail From: ellenbronfeld <egskb@...> Subject: Civil Disobedience... IPADDUnite Date: Wednesday, July 15, 2009, 12:35 AM Many families are talking about a plan to mount a civil disobedience campaign. I haven't a clue how to do this since we don't have any seats on the bus to begin with... Do we: a. Sit on legislators doorsteps with our kids for the day (pulling them out of programs that still exist and disrupting their lives further...) b. schlep to Springfield, spending what little money we all have on hotels, further disrupting our lives and those of our children??? How do we conduct civil disobedience when we need to be home with our kids who have disabilities and be parents to our other children? What about those of us who work to put food on the table? Parks did not have a child with a disability.. .how do we match her vision with deeds that make sense for us? I am going to bed but I guarantee I will go to sleep thinking about this and I will wake up in the morning thinking about this... Ellen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2009 Report Share Posted July 15, 2009 Even parents and family members (minus the people with disabilities) with the signs and pictures that suggests would be effective at the legislators office...maybe daily by a revolving group... Ellen Ellen Garber Bronfeld egskb@... Civil Disobedience... IPADDUnite Date: Wednesday, July 15, 2009, 12:35 AM Many families are talking about a plan to mount a civil disobedience campaign. I haven't a clue how to do this since we don't have any seats on the bus to begin with... Do we: a. Sit on legislators doorsteps with our kids for the day (pulling them out of programs that still exist and disrupting their lives further...) b. schlep to Springfield, spending what little money we all have on hotels, further disrupting our lives and those of our children??? How do we conduct civil disobedience when we need to be home with our kids who have disabilities and be parents to our other children? What about those of us who work to put food on the table? Parks did not have a child with a disability.. .how do we match her vision with deeds that make sense for us? I am going to bed but I guarantee I will go to sleep thinking about this and I will wake up in the morning thinking about this... Ellen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2009 Report Share Posted July 15, 2009 Even parents and family members (minus the people with disabilities) with the signs and pictures that suggests would be effective at the legislators office...maybe daily by a revolving group... Ellen Ellen Garber Bronfeld egskb@... Civil Disobedience... IPADDUnite Date: Wednesday, July 15, 2009, 12:35 AM Many families are talking about a plan to mount a civil disobedience campaign. I haven't a clue how to do this since we don't have any seats on the bus to begin with... Do we: a. Sit on legislators doorsteps with our kids for the day (pulling them out of programs that still exist and disrupting their lives further...) b. schlep to Springfield, spending what little money we all have on hotels, further disrupting our lives and those of our children??? How do we conduct civil disobedience when we need to be home with our kids who have disabilities and be parents to our other children? What about those of us who work to put food on the table? Parks did not have a child with a disability.. .how do we match her vision with deeds that make sense for us? I am going to bed but I guarantee I will go to sleep thinking about this and I will wake up in the morning thinking about this... Ellen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2009 Report Share Posted July 15, 2009 I remember something in France called Operation escargot. When a group wanted the governments attention they would get hundreds of cars to drive in funeral like procession very slowly on the highway during rushhour. Even the legislators couldn't get to work. Quel merde! oh excuse my French, Thais Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2009 Report Share Posted July 15, 2009 I remember something in France called Operation escargot. When a group wanted the governments attention they would get hundreds of cars to drive in funeral like procession very slowly on the highway during rushhour. Even the legislators couldn't get to work. Quel merde! oh excuse my French, Thais Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2009 Report Share Posted July 15, 2009 the problem with that is that no one would notice on our express ways because every one is driving 2miles an hour. I like the idea though...that way you get other people to notice and we'd get news coverage for sure! Tara Kosieniak www.sibsnetwork.org AdultSIBSNet listserv: AdultSibsNet/ SIBS Blogger: http://sibsnetwork.blogspot.com/ Face book group SIBS Network: http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#/group.php?gid=9209702292 Face book cause Supporting IL Brothers and Sisters: http://apps.facebook.com/causes/118226?m=63ef53bf I isearchigive for SIBS (Supporting Illinois Brothers and Sisters) Help me raise money for SIBS just by searching the Internet with www.isearchigive.com/SIBS and when shopping on line go to www.igive.com/SIBS From: THAIS PALLUAU <fpalluau@...> Subject: Re: Civil Disobedience... IPADDUnite Date: Wednesday, July 15, 2009, 6:43 PM I remember something in France called Operation escargot. When a group wanted the governments attention they would get hundreds of cars to drive in funeral like procession very slowly on the highway during rushhour. Even the legislators couldn't get to work. Quel merde! oh excuse my French, Thais Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2009 Report Share Posted July 15, 2009 the problem with that is that no one would notice on our express ways because every one is driving 2miles an hour. I like the idea though...that way you get other people to notice and we'd get news coverage for sure! Tara Kosieniak www.sibsnetwork.org AdultSIBSNet listserv: AdultSibsNet/ SIBS Blogger: http://sibsnetwork.blogspot.com/ Face book group SIBS Network: http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#/group.php?gid=9209702292 Face book cause Supporting IL Brothers and Sisters: http://apps.facebook.com/causes/118226?m=63ef53bf I isearchigive for SIBS (Supporting Illinois Brothers and Sisters) Help me raise money for SIBS just by searching the Internet with www.isearchigive.com/SIBS and when shopping on line go to www.igive.com/SIBS From: THAIS PALLUAU <fpalluau@...> Subject: Re: Civil Disobedience... IPADDUnite Date: Wednesday, July 15, 2009, 6:43 PM I remember something in France called Operation escargot. When a group wanted the governments attention they would get hundreds of cars to drive in funeral like procession very slowly on the highway during rushhour. Even the legislators couldn't get to work. Quel merde! oh excuse my French, Thais Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2009 Report Share Posted July 15, 2009 Glad I took enough french to understand that, Thais... Ellen Ellen Garber Bronfeld egskb@... Re: Civil Disobedience... I remember something in France called Operation escargot. When a group wanted the governments attention they would get hundreds of cars to drive in funeral like procession very slowly on the highway during rushhour. Even the legislators couldn't get to work. Quel merde! oh excuse my French, Thais Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2009 Report Share Posted July 15, 2009 Glad I took enough french to understand that, Thais... Ellen Ellen Garber Bronfeld egskb@... Re: Civil Disobedience... I remember something in France called Operation escargot. When a group wanted the governments attention they would get hundreds of cars to drive in funeral like procession very slowly on the highway during rushhour. Even the legislators couldn't get to work. Quel merde! oh excuse my French, Thais Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2009 Report Share Posted July 16, 2009 These very road blocks to making ourselves and our voices be publically visable is why they pray upon our families. They see us as unable to fight long term, and therefore not powerful, s this is why we are chosen to be screwed. We are an easy target I'm afraind. Diane S > > Many families are talking about a plan to mount a civil disobedience campaign. > I haven't a clue how to do this since we don't have any seats on the bus to begin with... > Do we: > a. Sit on legislators doorsteps with our kids for the day (pulling them out of programs that still exist and disrupting their lives further...) > b. schlep to Springfield, spending what little money we all have on hotels, further disrupting our lives and those of our children??? > > How do we conduct civil disobedience when we need to be home with our kids who have disabilities and be parents to our other children? What about those of us who work to put food on the table? Parks did not have a child with a disability...how do we match her vision with deeds that make sense for us? > I am going to bed but I guarantee I will go to sleep thinking about this and I will wake up in the morning thinking about this... > Ellen > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2009 Report Share Posted July 16, 2009 These very road blocks to making ourselves and our voices be publically visable is why they pray upon our families. They see us as unable to fight long term, and therefore not powerful, s this is why we are chosen to be screwed. We are an easy target I'm afraind. Diane S > > Many families are talking about a plan to mount a civil disobedience campaign. > I haven't a clue how to do this since we don't have any seats on the bus to begin with... > Do we: > a. Sit on legislators doorsteps with our kids for the day (pulling them out of programs that still exist and disrupting their lives further...) > b. schlep to Springfield, spending what little money we all have on hotels, further disrupting our lives and those of our children??? > > How do we conduct civil disobedience when we need to be home with our kids who have disabilities and be parents to our other children? What about those of us who work to put food on the table? Parks did not have a child with a disability...how do we match her vision with deeds that make sense for us? > I am going to bed but I guarantee I will go to sleep thinking about this and I will wake up in the morning thinking about this... > Ellen > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2009 Report Share Posted July 16, 2009 I may be wrong but I think if we start changing the way our neighbors, our friends and our families think about our loved ones who have disabilities and if we get municipalities and townships invested in supporting the individuals with disabilities in their communities, even in some small way, we will spread our sphere of influence...This may be slow...it may take a good long while (think in terms of years) but until we reach a point where the majority of voters recognize that disabilities issues matter, we will likely to continue fighting in a vacuum. Ellen Ellen Garber Bronfeld egskb@... Re: Civil Disobedience... These very road blocks to making ourselves and our voices be publically visable is why they pray upon our families. They see us as unable to fight long term, and therefore not powerful, s this is why we are chosen to be screwed. We are an easy target I'm afraind. Diane S > > Many families are talking about a plan to mount a civil disobedience campaign. > I haven't a clue how to do this since we don't have any seats on the bus to begin with... > Do we: > a. Sit on legislators doorsteps with our kids for the day (pulling them out of programs that still exist and disrupting their lives further...) > b. schlep to Springfield, spending what little money we all have on hotels, further disrupting our lives and those of our children??? > > How do we conduct civil disobedience when we need to be home with our kids who have disabilities and be parents to our other children? What about those of us who work to put food on the table? Parks did not have a child with a disability...how do we match her vision with deeds that make sense for us? > I am going to bed but I guarantee I will go to sleep thinking about this and I will wake up in the morning thinking about this... > Ellen > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2009 Report Share Posted July 16, 2009 I may be wrong but I think if we start changing the way our neighbors, our friends and our families think about our loved ones who have disabilities and if we get municipalities and townships invested in supporting the individuals with disabilities in their communities, even in some small way, we will spread our sphere of influence...This may be slow...it may take a good long while (think in terms of years) but until we reach a point where the majority of voters recognize that disabilities issues matter, we will likely to continue fighting in a vacuum. Ellen Ellen Garber Bronfeld egskb@... Re: Civil Disobedience... These very road blocks to making ourselves and our voices be publically visable is why they pray upon our families. They see us as unable to fight long term, and therefore not powerful, s this is why we are chosen to be screwed. We are an easy target I'm afraind. Diane S > > Many families are talking about a plan to mount a civil disobedience campaign. > I haven't a clue how to do this since we don't have any seats on the bus to begin with... > Do we: > a. Sit on legislators doorsteps with our kids for the day (pulling them out of programs that still exist and disrupting their lives further...) > b. schlep to Springfield, spending what little money we all have on hotels, further disrupting our lives and those of our children??? > > How do we conduct civil disobedience when we need to be home with our kids who have disabilities and be parents to our other children? What about those of us who work to put food on the table? Parks did not have a child with a disability...how do we match her vision with deeds that make sense for us? > I am going to bed but I guarantee I will go to sleep thinking about this and I will wake up in the morning thinking about this... > Ellen > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2009 Report Share Posted July 16, 2009 Another problem we have is our loved ones really do not have any representation because most of them can't represent themselves! Seniors have strong advocates in AARP (plus they start their membership at age 50, so many of them are young enough to be advocates). From: ELLEN BRONFELD <egskb@...> Subject: Re: Re: Civil Disobedience... IPADDUnite Date: Thursday, July 16, 2009, 10:13 PM I may be wrong but I think if we start changing the way our neighbors, our friends and our families think about our loved ones who have disabilities and if we get municipalities and townships invested in supporting the individuals with disabilities in their communities, even in some small way, we will spread our sphere of influence... This may be slow...it may take a good long while (think in terms of years) but until we reach a point where the majority of voters recognize that disabilities issues matter, we will likely to continue fighting in a vacuum. Ellen Ellen Garber Bronfeld egskbsbcglobal (DOT) net Re: Civil Disobedience. .. These very road blocks to making ourselves and our voices be publically visable is why they pray upon our families. They see us as unable to fight long term, and therefore not powerful, s this is why we are chosen to be screwed. We are an easy target I'm afraind. Diane S > > Many families are talking about a plan to mount a civil disobedience campaign. > I haven't a clue how to do this since we don't have any seats on the bus to begin with... > Do we: > a. Sit on legislators doorsteps with our kids for the day (pulling them out of programs that still exist and disrupting their lives further...) > b. schlep to Springfield, spending what little money we all have on hotels, further disrupting our lives and those of our children??? > > How do we conduct civil disobedience when we need to be home with our kids who have disabilities and be parents to our other children? What about those of us who work to put food on the table? Parks did not have a child with a disability.. .how do we match her vision with deeds that make sense for us? > I am going to bed but I guarantee I will go to sleep thinking about this and I will wake up in the morning thinking about this... > Ellen > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2009 Report Share Posted July 16, 2009 Another problem we have is our loved ones really do not have any representation because most of them can't represent themselves! Seniors have strong advocates in AARP (plus they start their membership at age 50, so many of them are young enough to be advocates). From: ELLEN BRONFELD <egskb@...> Subject: Re: Re: Civil Disobedience... IPADDUnite Date: Thursday, July 16, 2009, 10:13 PM I may be wrong but I think if we start changing the way our neighbors, our friends and our families think about our loved ones who have disabilities and if we get municipalities and townships invested in supporting the individuals with disabilities in their communities, even in some small way, we will spread our sphere of influence... This may be slow...it may take a good long while (think in terms of years) but until we reach a point where the majority of voters recognize that disabilities issues matter, we will likely to continue fighting in a vacuum. Ellen Ellen Garber Bronfeld egskbsbcglobal (DOT) net Re: Civil Disobedience. .. These very road blocks to making ourselves and our voices be publically visable is why they pray upon our families. They see us as unable to fight long term, and therefore not powerful, s this is why we are chosen to be screwed. We are an easy target I'm afraind. Diane S > > Many families are talking about a plan to mount a civil disobedience campaign. > I haven't a clue how to do this since we don't have any seats on the bus to begin with... > Do we: > a. Sit on legislators doorsteps with our kids for the day (pulling them out of programs that still exist and disrupting their lives further...) > b. schlep to Springfield, spending what little money we all have on hotels, further disrupting our lives and those of our children??? > > How do we conduct civil disobedience when we need to be home with our kids who have disabilities and be parents to our other children? What about those of us who work to put food on the table? Parks did not have a child with a disability.. .how do we match her vision with deeds that make sense for us? > I am going to bed but I guarantee I will go to sleep thinking about this and I will wake up in the morning thinking about this... > Ellen > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2009 Report Share Posted July 16, 2009 I prefer many joining the disability march as a peaceful demonstration. Volumes of people in the civil rights marches and million man march were very powerful accelerants for change. If volumes are present, it is a strong statement to the larger community and would most likely get good media coverage. If current conditions aren't worth a demonstration, I don't know what is. Ann From: Diane S <swedegrl@...> Subject: Re: Civil Disobedience... IPADDUnite Date: Thursday, July 16, 2009, 9:34 PM These very road blocks to making ourselves and our voices be publically visable is why they pray upon our families. They see us as unable to fight long term, and therefore not powerful, s this is why we are chosen to be screwed. We are an easy target I'm afraind. Diane S > > Many families are talking about a plan to mount a civil disobedience campaign. > I haven't a clue how to do this since we don't have any seats on the bus to begin with... > Do we: > a. Sit on legislators doorsteps with our kids for the day (pulling them out of programs that still exist and disrupting their lives further...) > b. schlep to Springfield, spending what little money we all have on hotels, further disrupting our lives and those of our children??? > > How do we conduct civil disobedience when we need to be home with our kids who have disabilities and be parents to our other children? What about those of us who work to put food on the table? Parks did not have a child with a disability.. .how do we match her vision with deeds that make sense for us? > I am going to bed but I guarantee I will go to sleep thinking about this and I will wake up in the morning thinking about this... > Ellen > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2009 Report Share Posted July 16, 2009 I prefer many joining the disability march as a peaceful demonstration. Volumes of people in the civil rights marches and million man march were very powerful accelerants for change. If volumes are present, it is a strong statement to the larger community and would most likely get good media coverage. If current conditions aren't worth a demonstration, I don't know what is. Ann From: Diane S <swedegrl@...> Subject: Re: Civil Disobedience... IPADDUnite Date: Thursday, July 16, 2009, 9:34 PM These very road blocks to making ourselves and our voices be publically visable is why they pray upon our families. They see us as unable to fight long term, and therefore not powerful, s this is why we are chosen to be screwed. We are an easy target I'm afraind. Diane S > > Many families are talking about a plan to mount a civil disobedience campaign. > I haven't a clue how to do this since we don't have any seats on the bus to begin with... > Do we: > a. Sit on legislators doorsteps with our kids for the day (pulling them out of programs that still exist and disrupting their lives further...) > b. schlep to Springfield, spending what little money we all have on hotels, further disrupting our lives and those of our children??? > > How do we conduct civil disobedience when we need to be home with our kids who have disabilities and be parents to our other children? What about those of us who work to put food on the table? Parks did not have a child with a disability.. .how do we match her vision with deeds that make sense for us? > I am going to bed but I guarantee I will go to sleep thinking about this and I will wake up in the morning thinking about this... > Ellen > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2009 Report Share Posted July 16, 2009 How about organizing something for the Disability Pride Parade on July 25th? Teri L. Steinberg Chicago Regional Field Organizer Managing the Art of Living Human Service atives & Microboards www.managingtheartofliving.org From: Diane S <swedegrlaol (DOT) com> Subject: Re: Civil Disobedience. .. IPADDUnite@gro ups.com Date: Thursday, July 16, 2009, 9:34 PM These very road blocks to making ourselves and our voices be publically visable is why they pray upon our families. They see us as unable to fight long term, and therefore not powerful, s this is why we are chosen to be screwed. We are an easy target I'm afraind. Diane S > > Many families are talking about a plan to mount a civil disobedience campaign. > I haven't a clue how to do this since we don't have any seats on the bus to begin with... > Do we: > a. Sit on legislators doorsteps with our kids for the day (pulling them out of programs that still exist and disrupting their lives further...) > b. schlep to Springfield, spending what little money we all have on hotels, further disrupting our lives and those of our children??? > > How do we conduct civil disobedience when we need to be home with our kids who have disabilities and be parents to our other children? What about those of us who work to put food on the table? Parks did not have a child with a disability.. .how do we match her vision with deeds that make sense for us? > I am going to bed but I guarantee I will go to sleep thinking about this and I will wake up in the morning thinking about this... > Ellen > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2009 Report Share Posted July 16, 2009 How about organizing something for the Disability Pride Parade on July 25th? Teri L. Steinberg Chicago Regional Field Organizer Managing the Art of Living Human Service atives & Microboards www.managingtheartofliving.org From: Diane S <swedegrlaol (DOT) com> Subject: Re: Civil Disobedience. .. IPADDUnite@gro ups.com Date: Thursday, July 16, 2009, 9:34 PM These very road blocks to making ourselves and our voices be publically visable is why they pray upon our families. They see us as unable to fight long term, and therefore not powerful, s this is why we are chosen to be screwed. We are an easy target I'm afraind. Diane S > > Many families are talking about a plan to mount a civil disobedience campaign. > I haven't a clue how to do this since we don't have any seats on the bus to begin with... > Do we: > a. Sit on legislators doorsteps with our kids for the day (pulling them out of programs that still exist and disrupting their lives further...) > b. schlep to Springfield, spending what little money we all have on hotels, further disrupting our lives and those of our children??? > > How do we conduct civil disobedience when we need to be home with our kids who have disabilities and be parents to our other children? What about those of us who work to put food on the table? Parks did not have a child with a disability.. .how do we match her vision with deeds that make sense for us? > I am going to bed but I guarantee I will go to sleep thinking about this and I will wake up in the morning thinking about this... > Ellen > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2009 Report Share Posted July 16, 2009 Actually we DO have a state-wide advocacy organization for people with disabilities and mental health issues, the Arc of Illinois. Interesting that you don't seem to feel that the Arc of Illinois provides strong advocacy. Any other opinions on this? Ellen Ellen Garber Bronfeld egskb@... Re: Civil Disobedience. .. These very road blocks to making ourselves and our voices be publically visable is why they pray upon our families. They see us as unable to fight long term, and therefore not powerful, s this is why we are chosen to be screwed. We are an easy target I'm afraind. Diane S > > Many families are talking about a plan to mount a civil disobedience campaign. > I haven't a clue how to do this since we don't have any seats on the bus to begin with... > Do we: > a. Sit on legislators doorsteps with our kids for the day (pulling them out of programs that still exist and disrupting their lives further...) > b. schlep to Springfield, spending what little money we all have on hotels, further disrupting our lives and those of our children??? > > How do we conduct civil disobedience when we need to be home with our kids who have disabilities and be parents to our other children? What about those of us who work to put food on the table? Parks did not have a child with a disability.. .how do we match her vision with deeds that make sense for us? > I am going to bed but I guarantee I will go to sleep thinking about this and I will wake up in the morning thinking about this... > Ellen > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2009 Report Share Posted July 16, 2009 Actually we DO have a state-wide advocacy organization for people with disabilities and mental health issues, the Arc of Illinois. Interesting that you don't seem to feel that the Arc of Illinois provides strong advocacy. Any other opinions on this? Ellen Ellen Garber Bronfeld egskb@... Re: Civil Disobedience. .. These very road blocks to making ourselves and our voices be publically visable is why they pray upon our families. They see us as unable to fight long term, and therefore not powerful, s this is why we are chosen to be screwed. We are an easy target I'm afraind. Diane S > > Many families are talking about a plan to mount a civil disobedience campaign. > I haven't a clue how to do this since we don't have any seats on the bus to begin with... > Do we: > a. Sit on legislators doorsteps with our kids for the day (pulling them out of programs that still exist and disrupting their lives further...) > b. schlep to Springfield, spending what little money we all have on hotels, further disrupting our lives and those of our children??? > > How do we conduct civil disobedience when we need to be home with our kids who have disabilities and be parents to our other children? What about those of us who work to put food on the table? Parks did not have a child with a disability.. .how do we match her vision with deeds that make sense for us? > I am going to bed but I guarantee I will go to sleep thinking about this and I will wake up in the morning thinking about this... > Ellen > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2009 Report Share Posted July 16, 2009 Representatives from SACNI will be marching in the parade.? Anyone is welcome to join us. Christensen, Advisor Self Advocacy Council of Northern Illinois 815-382-1530 clchristensen100@... www.sacni.org Re: Civil Disobedience. .. IPADDUnite@gro ups.com Date: Thursday, July 16, 2009, 9:34 PM ? These very road blocks to making ourselves and our voices be publically visable is why they pray upon our families. They see us as unable to fight long term, and therefore not powerful, s this is why we are chosen to be screwed. We are an easy target I'm afraind. Diane S > > Many families are talking about a plan to mount a civil disobedience campaign. > I haven't a clue how to do this since we don't have any seats on the bus to begin with... > Do we: > a. Sit on legislators doorsteps with our kids for the day (pulling them out of programs that still exist and disrupting their lives further...) > b. schlep to Springfield, spending what little money we all have on hotels, further disrupting our lives and those of our children??? > > How do we conduct civil disobedience when we need to be home with our kids who have disabilities and be parents to our other children? What about those of us who work to put food on the table? Parks did not have a child with a disability.. .how do we match her vision with deeds that make sense for us? > I am going to bed but I guarantee I will go to sleep thinking about this and I will wake up in the morning thinking about this... > Ellen > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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