Guest guest Posted July 16, 2009 Report Share Posted July 16, 2009 I have been struggling with the same thoughts. I think we still need to organize to watch voting and choose/loose legislators. Maybe one person per county could track legislators specific to their area and post. I'm afraid nothing much will change the current immediate scenario. I do feel that we need to concentrate our efforts on getting our kids into the community and build community connections, write articles and post u-tubes to elevate our community within the community-at-large. Maybe we can change the spirit within Illinois to have others outside our disability community join us in supporting the more vunerable. Just as there aren't many people who don't know someone who has experienced cancer, we are approaching that level where many have family connections with a person with a disability. We tend to isolate ourselves in our own community. I was profoundly moved by Judith Snow's article and thoughful philosophy. Ann From: pam_harriscomcast (DOT) net <pam_harris@ comcast. net> Everybody go to the party store and buy those inexpensive plastic table cloths. Maybe red - for the deep cuts? Or blue - for our sadness? or yellow - for the yellow bellied lawmakers or green - it's time for action or brown - the shit we are expected to accept or black - do they make black? Anyway - someone with more subtlety can suggest the color. Then, we cut them into strips and tie them around our trees. We ask our neighbors - our Church - everyone Let's fill all the trees in IL with our symbolic message to Springfield. Pam [ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2009 Report Share Posted July 16, 2009 AGREE!! I remember his name being brought up as the " obstacle " for MANY years!!! Re: any idea of sending our message Would the consensus be that Madigan is the chief chess player here? Maybe if everyone focused on a single powerful legislator with the picketing, sit-ins, ribbons, etc and supported his next opponent we could do some damage??? In a message dated 7/15/2009 3:59:12 P.M. Central Daylight Time, egskbsbcglobal (DOT) <mailto:egskb% 40sbcglobal. net> net writes: I keep thinking that in this state, I am not so sure that picketing is going to be effective. Why would a legislator care, ultimately that 3-4 or even 10 people were holding up signs near his/her office. Yes, it would attract negative attention, but would we look like sore losers or whiners? Maybe...It is all about public relations and spin...we don't have much power right now...we have little money and a good number of votes... This is a state where money and votes matter...it isn't a state with a high degree of social conscience. That isn't to say we can't try this...a combination of picketing and ribbons... Pam is going to compile the various ideas that have been generated. I am most appreciative for her efforts. We need to look at the suggestions, see what budget decisions actually get made in the next day or so and go from there. I am not about to travel all over the state...I can help to coordinate efforts via email, but others, in their various parts of the state will have to take charge or nothing will get done. People in the southern and western parts of the state may have to cover a lot of territory... I am not about to travel all over the state...I can help to coordinate efforts via emaiI Ellen Ellen Garber Bronfeld _egskbsbcglobal (DOT) <mailto:_egskb% 40sbcglobal. egs> egs_ (mailto:egskb@ sbcglobal. <mailto:egskb% 40sbcglobal. net> net) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2009 Report Share Posted July 16, 2009 AGREE!! I remember his name being brought up as the " obstacle " for MANY years!!! Re: any idea of sending our message Would the consensus be that Madigan is the chief chess player here? Maybe if everyone focused on a single powerful legislator with the picketing, sit-ins, ribbons, etc and supported his next opponent we could do some damage??? In a message dated 7/15/2009 3:59:12 P.M. Central Daylight Time, egskbsbcglobal (DOT) <mailto:egskb% 40sbcglobal. net> net writes: I keep thinking that in this state, I am not so sure that picketing is going to be effective. Why would a legislator care, ultimately that 3-4 or even 10 people were holding up signs near his/her office. Yes, it would attract negative attention, but would we look like sore losers or whiners? Maybe...It is all about public relations and spin...we don't have much power right now...we have little money and a good number of votes... This is a state where money and votes matter...it isn't a state with a high degree of social conscience. That isn't to say we can't try this...a combination of picketing and ribbons... Pam is going to compile the various ideas that have been generated. I am most appreciative for her efforts. We need to look at the suggestions, see what budget decisions actually get made in the next day or so and go from there. I am not about to travel all over the state...I can help to coordinate efforts via email, but others, in their various parts of the state will have to take charge or nothing will get done. People in the southern and western parts of the state may have to cover a lot of territory... I am not about to travel all over the state...I can help to coordinate efforts via emaiI Ellen Ellen Garber Bronfeld _egskbsbcglobal (DOT) <mailto:_egskb% 40sbcglobal. egs> egs_ (mailto:egskb@ sbcglobal. <mailto:egskb% 40sbcglobal. net> net) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2009 Report Share Posted July 16, 2009 This is a pretty good idea, Ann - of course we'd want to do it by voting district rather than by county. Shucks we could develop a spread sheet even. Bill sponsorship and voting records would be pretty easy to track. Whether they speak out or arm twist, would be tougher, but ... I love to make decisions based on data. Whatchathink gamg? Ron > > From: pam_harriscomcast (DOT) net <pam_harris@ comcast. net> > > Everybody go to the party store and buy those inexpensive plastic table cloths. > > Maybe red - for the deep cuts? > > Or blue - for our sadness? > > or yellow - for the yellow bellied lawmakers > > or green - it's time for action > > or brown - the shit we are expected to accept > > or black - do they make black? > > Anyway - someone with more subtlety can suggest the color. > > Then, we cut them into strips and tie them around our trees. > > We ask our neighbors - our Church - everyone > > Let's fill all the trees in IL with our symbolic message to Springfield. > > Pam > > [ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2009 Report Share Posted July 16, 2009 This is a pretty good idea, Ann - of course we'd want to do it by voting district rather than by county. Shucks we could develop a spread sheet even. Bill sponsorship and voting records would be pretty easy to track. Whether they speak out or arm twist, would be tougher, but ... I love to make decisions based on data. Whatchathink gamg? Ron > > From: pam_harriscomcast (DOT) net <pam_harris@ comcast. net> > > Everybody go to the party store and buy those inexpensive plastic table cloths. > > Maybe red - for the deep cuts? > > Or blue - for our sadness? > > or yellow - for the yellow bellied lawmakers > > or green - it's time for action > > or brown - the shit we are expected to accept > > or black - do they make black? > > Anyway - someone with more subtlety can suggest the color. > > Then, we cut them into strips and tie them around our trees. > > We ask our neighbors - our Church - everyone > > Let's fill all the trees in IL with our symbolic message to Springfield. > > Pam > > [ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2009 Report Share Posted July 16, 2009 Charlotte., I agree with you...he (Madigan) holds the (purse) strings that make the Dems move, this way or that... Historically, it was Quinn who helped to reshape the leadership system that is currently in place in our state government...I am not well enough versed in the history to tell the story, but the fact is, Quinn is a well established member of the current status quo...this is something I only recently learned... Ellen Ellen Garber Bronfeld egskb@... Re: any idea of sending our message Would the consensus be that Madigan is the chief chess player here? Maybe if everyone focused on a single powerful legislator with the picketing, sit-ins, ribbons, etc and supported his next opponent we could do some damage??? In a message dated 7/15/2009 3:59:12 P.M. Central Daylight Time, egskbsbcglobal (DOT) <mailto:egskb%40sbcglobal.net> net writes: I keep thinking that in this state, I am not so sure that picketing is going to be effective. Why would a legislator care, ultimately that 3-4 or even 10 people were holding up signs near his/her office. Yes, it would attract negative attention, but would we look like sore losers or whiners? Maybe...It is all about public relations and spin...we don't have much power right now...we have little money and a good number of votes... This is a state where money and votes matter...it isn't a state with a high degree of social conscience. That isn't to say we can't try this...a combination of picketing and ribbons... Pam is going to compile the various ideas that have been generated. I am most appreciative for her efforts. We need to look at the suggestions, see what budget decisions actually get made in the next day or so and go from there. I am not about to travel all over the state...I can help to coordinate efforts via email, but others, in their various parts of the state will have to take charge or nothing will get done. People in the southern and western parts of the state may have to cover a lot of territory...I am not about to travel all over the state...I can help to coordinate efforts via emaiI Ellen Ellen Garber Bronfeld _egskbsbcglobal (DOT) <mailto:_egskb%40sbcglobal.egs> egs_ (mailto:egskbsbcglobal (DOT) <mailto:egskb%40sbcglobal.net> net) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2009 Report Share Posted July 16, 2009 Charlotte., I agree with you...he (Madigan) holds the (purse) strings that make the Dems move, this way or that... Historically, it was Quinn who helped to reshape the leadership system that is currently in place in our state government...I am not well enough versed in the history to tell the story, but the fact is, Quinn is a well established member of the current status quo...this is something I only recently learned... Ellen Ellen Garber Bronfeld egskb@... Re: any idea of sending our message Would the consensus be that Madigan is the chief chess player here? Maybe if everyone focused on a single powerful legislator with the picketing, sit-ins, ribbons, etc and supported his next opponent we could do some damage??? In a message dated 7/15/2009 3:59:12 P.M. Central Daylight Time, egskbsbcglobal (DOT) <mailto:egskb%40sbcglobal.net> net writes: I keep thinking that in this state, I am not so sure that picketing is going to be effective. Why would a legislator care, ultimately that 3-4 or even 10 people were holding up signs near his/her office. Yes, it would attract negative attention, but would we look like sore losers or whiners? Maybe...It is all about public relations and spin...we don't have much power right now...we have little money and a good number of votes... This is a state where money and votes matter...it isn't a state with a high degree of social conscience. That isn't to say we can't try this...a combination of picketing and ribbons... Pam is going to compile the various ideas that have been generated. I am most appreciative for her efforts. We need to look at the suggestions, see what budget decisions actually get made in the next day or so and go from there. I am not about to travel all over the state...I can help to coordinate efforts via email, but others, in their various parts of the state will have to take charge or nothing will get done. People in the southern and western parts of the state may have to cover a lot of territory...I am not about to travel all over the state...I can help to coordinate efforts via emaiI Ellen Ellen Garber Bronfeld _egskbsbcglobal (DOT) <mailto:_egskb%40sbcglobal.egs> egs_ (mailto:egskbsbcglobal (DOT) <mailto:egskb%40sbcglobal.net> net) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2009 Report Share Posted July 16, 2009 It's a great idea. I would help track my district. Pam Re: any idea of sending our message  This is a pretty good idea, Ann - of course we'd want to do it by voting district rather than by county. Shucks we could develop a spread sheet even. Bill sponsorship and voting records would be pretty easy to track. Whether they speak out or arm twist, would be tougher, but ... I love to make decisions based on data. Whatchathink gamg? Ron > > From: pam_harriscomcast (DOT) net <pam_harris@ comcast. net> > > Everybody go to the party store and buy those inexpensive plastic table cloths. > > Maybe red - for the deep cuts? > > Or blue - for our sadness? > > or yellow - for the yellow bellied lawmakers > > or green - it's time for action > > or brown - the shit we are expected to accept > > or black - do they make black? > > Anyway - someone with more subtlety can suggest the color. > > Then, we cut them into strips and tie them around our trees. > > We ask our neighbors - our Church - everyone > > Let's fill all the trees in IL with our symbolic message to Springfield. > > Pam > > [ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2009 Report Share Posted July 16, 2009 It's a great idea. I would help track my district. Pam Re: any idea of sending our message  This is a pretty good idea, Ann - of course we'd want to do it by voting district rather than by county. Shucks we could develop a spread sheet even. Bill sponsorship and voting records would be pretty easy to track. Whether they speak out or arm twist, would be tougher, but ... I love to make decisions based on data. Whatchathink gamg? Ron > > From: pam_harriscomcast (DOT) net <pam_harris@ comcast. net> > > Everybody go to the party store and buy those inexpensive plastic table cloths. > > Maybe red - for the deep cuts? > > Or blue - for our sadness? > > or yellow - for the yellow bellied lawmakers > > or green - it's time for action > > or brown - the shit we are expected to accept > > or black - do they make black? > > Anyway - someone with more subtlety can suggest the color. > > Then, we cut them into strips and tie them around our trees. > > We ask our neighbors - our Church - everyone > > Let's fill all the trees in IL with our symbolic message to Springfield. > > Pam > > [ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2009 Report Share Posted July 16, 2009 You can certainly follow through on any idea you think will help us all make better decisions at election time... If anyone wants to organize this, or any other plan, that would be great. To be honest, I do not feel comfortable with the concept of civil disobedience. I would encourage all of us to try to fall in line together on our strategies, whatever they may be, but, that said, IPADDU is everyone's group...I am just one of the moderators. I am going to focus a lot of my attention on my local township and village officials. I would like to start thinking along the lines of community awareness in the northern suburbs and the expansion of employment opportunities. As I progress, I will keep IPADDU apprised so that we can start developing templates for how to do this...I have appreciated Laurie's postings, which have given me some ideas about how to get started. Ellen Ellen Garber Bronfeld egskb@... Re: any idea of sending our message This is a pretty good idea, Ann - of course we'd want to do it by voting district rather than by county. Shucks we could develop a spread sheet even. Bill sponsorship and voting records would be pretty easy to track. Whether they speak out or arm twist, would be tougher, but ... I love to make decisions based on data. Whatchathink gamg? Ron > > From: pam_harriscomcast (DOT) net <pam_harris@ comcast. net> > > Everybody go to the party store and buy those inexpensive plastic table cloths. > > Maybe red - for the deep cuts? > > Or blue - for our sadness? > > or yellow - for the yellow bellied lawmakers > > or green - it's time for action > > or brown - the shit we are expected to accept > > or black - do they make black? > > Anyway - someone with more subtlety can suggest the color. > > Then, we cut them into strips and tie them around our trees. > > We ask our neighbors - our Church - everyone > > Let's fill all the trees in IL with our symbolic message to Springfield. > > Pam > > [ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2009 Report Share Posted July 16, 2009 You can certainly follow through on any idea you think will help us all make better decisions at election time... If anyone wants to organize this, or any other plan, that would be great. To be honest, I do not feel comfortable with the concept of civil disobedience. I would encourage all of us to try to fall in line together on our strategies, whatever they may be, but, that said, IPADDU is everyone's group...I am just one of the moderators. I am going to focus a lot of my attention on my local township and village officials. I would like to start thinking along the lines of community awareness in the northern suburbs and the expansion of employment opportunities. As I progress, I will keep IPADDU apprised so that we can start developing templates for how to do this...I have appreciated Laurie's postings, which have given me some ideas about how to get started. Ellen Ellen Garber Bronfeld egskb@... Re: any idea of sending our message This is a pretty good idea, Ann - of course we'd want to do it by voting district rather than by county. Shucks we could develop a spread sheet even. Bill sponsorship and voting records would be pretty easy to track. Whether they speak out or arm twist, would be tougher, but ... I love to make decisions based on data. Whatchathink gamg? Ron > > From: pam_harriscomcast (DOT) net <pam_harris@ comcast. net> > > Everybody go to the party store and buy those inexpensive plastic table cloths. > > Maybe red - for the deep cuts? > > Or blue - for our sadness? > > or yellow - for the yellow bellied lawmakers > > or green - it's time for action > > or brown - the shit we are expected to accept > > or black - do they make black? > > Anyway - someone with more subtlety can suggest the color. > > Then, we cut them into strips and tie them around our trees. > > We ask our neighbors - our Church - everyone > > Let's fill all the trees in IL with our symbolic message to Springfield. > > Pam > > [ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2009 Report Share Posted July 16, 2009 I will keep the spreadsheet and try to organize. Ann From: ELLEN BRONFELD <egskb@...> Subject: Re: Re: any idea of sending our message IPADDUnite Date: Thursday, July 16, 2009, 9:23 PM You can certainly follow through on any idea you think will help us all make better decisions at election time... If anyone wants to organize this, or any other plan, that would be great. To be honest, I do not feel comfortable with the concept of civil disobedience. I would encourage all of us to try to fall in line together on our strategies, whatever they may be, but, that said, IPADDU is everyone's group...I am just one of the moderators. I am going to focus a lot of my attention on my local township and village officials. I would like to start thinking along the lines of community awareness in the northern suburbs and the expansion of employment opportunities. As I progress, I will keep IPADDU apprised so that we can start developing templates for how to do this...I have appreciated Laurie's postings, which have given me some ideas about how to get started. Ellen Ellen Garber Bronfeld egskbsbcglobal (DOT) net Re: any idea of sending our message This is a pretty good idea, Ann - of course we'd want to do it by voting district rather than by county. Shucks we could develop a spread sheet even. Bill sponsorship and voting records would be pretty easy to track. Whether they speak out or arm twist, would be tougher, but ... I love to make decisions based on data. Whatchathink gamg? Ron > > From: pam_harriscomcast (DOT) net <pam_harris@ comcast. net> > > Everybody go to the party store and buy those inexpensive plastic table cloths. > > Maybe red - for the deep cuts? > > Or blue - for our sadness? > > or yellow - for the yellow bellied lawmakers > > or green - it's time for action > > or brown - the shit we are expected to accept > > or black - do they make black? > > Anyway - someone with more subtlety can suggest the color. > > Then, we cut them into strips and tie them around our trees. > > We ask our neighbors - our Church - everyone > > Let's fill all the trees in IL with our symbolic message to Springfield. > > Pam > > [ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2009 Report Share Posted July 16, 2009 I will keep the spreadsheet and try to organize. Ann From: ELLEN BRONFELD <egskb@...> Subject: Re: Re: any idea of sending our message IPADDUnite Date: Thursday, July 16, 2009, 9:23 PM You can certainly follow through on any idea you think will help us all make better decisions at election time... If anyone wants to organize this, or any other plan, that would be great. To be honest, I do not feel comfortable with the concept of civil disobedience. I would encourage all of us to try to fall in line together on our strategies, whatever they may be, but, that said, IPADDU is everyone's group...I am just one of the moderators. I am going to focus a lot of my attention on my local township and village officials. I would like to start thinking along the lines of community awareness in the northern suburbs and the expansion of employment opportunities. As I progress, I will keep IPADDU apprised so that we can start developing templates for how to do this...I have appreciated Laurie's postings, which have given me some ideas about how to get started. Ellen Ellen Garber Bronfeld egskbsbcglobal (DOT) net Re: any idea of sending our message This is a pretty good idea, Ann - of course we'd want to do it by voting district rather than by county. Shucks we could develop a spread sheet even. Bill sponsorship and voting records would be pretty easy to track. Whether they speak out or arm twist, would be tougher, but ... I love to make decisions based on data. Whatchathink gamg? Ron > > From: pam_harriscomcast (DOT) net <pam_harris@ comcast. net> > > Everybody go to the party store and buy those inexpensive plastic table cloths. > > Maybe red - for the deep cuts? > > Or blue - for our sadness? > > or yellow - for the yellow bellied lawmakers > > or green - it's time for action > > or brown - the shit we are expected to accept > > or black - do they make black? > > Anyway - someone with more subtlety can suggest the color. > > Then, we cut them into strips and tie them around our trees. > > We ask our neighbors - our Church - everyone > > Let's fill all the trees in IL with our symbolic message to Springfield. > > Pam > > [ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2009 Report Share Posted July 16, 2009 Great, Ann. Ellen Ellen Garber Bronfeld egskb@... Re: any idea of sending our message This is a pretty good idea, Ann - of course we'd want to do it by voting district rather than by county. Shucks we could develop a spread sheet even. Bill sponsorship and voting records would be pretty easy to track. Whether they speak out or arm twist, would be tougher, but ... I love to make decisions based on data. Whatchathink gamg? Ron > > From: pam_harriscomcast (DOT) net <pam_harris@ comcast. net> > > Everybody go to the party store and buy those inexpensive plastic table cloths. > > Maybe red - for the deep cuts? > > Or blue - for our sadness? > > or yellow - for the yellow bellied lawmakers > > or green - it's time for action > > or brown - the shit we are expected to accept > > or black - do they make black? > > Anyway - someone with more subtlety can suggest the color. > > Then, we cut them into strips and tie them around our trees. > > We ask our neighbors - our Church - everyone > > Let's fill all the trees in IL with our symbolic message to Springfield. > > Pam > > [ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2009 Report Share Posted July 16, 2009 Great, Ann. Ellen Ellen Garber Bronfeld egskb@... Re: any idea of sending our message This is a pretty good idea, Ann - of course we'd want to do it by voting district rather than by county. Shucks we could develop a spread sheet even. Bill sponsorship and voting records would be pretty easy to track. Whether they speak out or arm twist, would be tougher, but ... I love to make decisions based on data. Whatchathink gamg? Ron > > From: pam_harriscomcast (DOT) net <pam_harris@ comcast. net> > > Everybody go to the party store and buy those inexpensive plastic table cloths. > > Maybe red - for the deep cuts? > > Or blue - for our sadness? > > or yellow - for the yellow bellied lawmakers > > or green - it's time for action > > or brown - the shit we are expected to accept > > or black - do they make black? > > Anyway - someone with more subtlety can suggest the color. > > Then, we cut them into strips and tie them around our trees. > > We ask our neighbors - our Church - everyone > > Let's fill all the trees in IL with our symbolic message to Springfield. > > Pam > > [ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2009 Report Share Posted July 17, 2009 That's great, Ann. I'll help out if needed. Ron > > > > From: pam_harriscomcast (DOT) net <pam_harris@ comcast. net> > > > > Everybody go to the party store and buy those inexpensive plastic table cloths. > > > > Maybe red - for the deep cuts? > > > > Or blue - for our sadness? > > > > or yellow - for the yellow bellied lawmakers > > > > or green - it's time for action > > > > or brown - the shit we are expected to accept > > > > or black - do they make black? > > > > Anyway - someone with more subtlety can suggest the color. > > > > Then, we cut them into strips and tie them around our trees. > > > > We ask our neighbors - our Church - everyone > > > > Let's fill all the trees in IL with our symbolic message to Springfield. > > > > Pam > > > > [ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2009 Report Share Posted July 17, 2009 That's great, Ann. I'll help out if needed. Ron > > > > From: pam_harriscomcast (DOT) net <pam_harris@ comcast. net> > > > > Everybody go to the party store and buy those inexpensive plastic table cloths. > > > > Maybe red - for the deep cuts? > > > > Or blue - for our sadness? > > > > or yellow - for the yellow bellied lawmakers > > > > or green - it's time for action > > > > or brown - the shit we are expected to accept > > > > or black - do they make black? > > > > Anyway - someone with more subtlety can suggest the color. > > > > Then, we cut them into strips and tie them around our trees. > > > > We ask our neighbors - our Church - everyone > > > > Let's fill all the trees in IL with our symbolic message to Springfield. > > > > Pam > > > > [ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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