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I have been struggling with the same thoughts. I think we still need to organize

to watch voting and choose/loose legislators. Maybe one person per county could

track legislators specific to their area and post. I'm afraid nothing much will

change the current immediate scenario. I do feel that we need to concentrate our

efforts on getting our kids into the community and build community connections,

write articles and post u-tubes to elevate our community within the

community-at-large. Maybe we can change the spirit within Illinois to have

others outside our disability community join us in supporting the more

vunerable. Just as there aren't many people who don't know someone who has

experienced cancer, we are approaching that level where many have family

connections with a person with a disability. We tend to isolate ourselves in our

own community. I was profoundly moved by Judith Snow's article and thoughful

philosophy.

 

Ann

From: pam_harriscomcast (DOT) net <pam_harris@ comcast. net>

Everybody go to the party store and buy those inexpensive plastic table cloths.

Maybe red - for the deep cuts?

Or blue - for our sadness?

or yellow - for the yellow bellied lawmakers

or green - it's time for action

or brown - the shit we are expected to accept

or black - do they make black?

Anyway - someone with more subtlety can suggest the color.

Then, we cut them into strips and tie them around our trees.

We ask our neighbors - our Church - everyone

Let's fill all the trees in IL with our symbolic message to Springfield.

Pam

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AGREE!! I remember his name being brought up as the " obstacle " for MANY

years!!!

Re: any idea of sending our message

Would the consensus be that Madigan is the chief chess player here? Maybe

if everyone focused on a single powerful legislator with the picketing,

sit-ins, ribbons, etc and supported his next opponent we could do some

damage???

In a message dated 7/15/2009 3:59:12 P.M. Central Daylight Time,

egskbsbcglobal (DOT) <mailto:egskb% 40sbcglobal. net> net writes:

I keep thinking that in this state, I am not so sure that picketing is

going to be effective. Why would a legislator care, ultimately that 3-4 or

even 10 people were holding up signs near his/her office. Yes, it would

attract negative attention, but would we look like sore losers or whiners?

Maybe...It is all about public relations and spin...we don't have much power

right now...we have little money and a good number of votes...

This is a state where money and votes matter...it isn't a state with a

high degree of social conscience. That isn't to say we can't try this...a

combination of picketing and ribbons...

Pam is going to compile the various ideas that have been generated. I am

most appreciative for her efforts.

We need to look at the suggestions, see what budget decisions actually get

made in the next day or so and go from there.

I am not about to travel all over the state...I can help to coordinate

efforts via email, but others, in their various parts of the state will have

to take charge or nothing will get done. People in the southern and western

parts of the state may have to cover a lot of territory... I am not about to

travel all over the state...I can help to coordinate efforts via emaiI

Ellen

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AGREE!! I remember his name being brought up as the " obstacle " for MANY

years!!!

Re: any idea of sending our message

Would the consensus be that Madigan is the chief chess player here? Maybe

if everyone focused on a single powerful legislator with the picketing,

sit-ins, ribbons, etc and supported his next opponent we could do some

damage???

In a message dated 7/15/2009 3:59:12 P.M. Central Daylight Time,

egskbsbcglobal (DOT) <mailto:egskb% 40sbcglobal. net> net writes:

I keep thinking that in this state, I am not so sure that picketing is

going to be effective. Why would a legislator care, ultimately that 3-4 or

even 10 people were holding up signs near his/her office. Yes, it would

attract negative attention, but would we look like sore losers or whiners?

Maybe...It is all about public relations and spin...we don't have much power

right now...we have little money and a good number of votes...

This is a state where money and votes matter...it isn't a state with a

high degree of social conscience. That isn't to say we can't try this...a

combination of picketing and ribbons...

Pam is going to compile the various ideas that have been generated. I am

most appreciative for her efforts.

We need to look at the suggestions, see what budget decisions actually get

made in the next day or so and go from there.

I am not about to travel all over the state...I can help to coordinate

efforts via email, but others, in their various parts of the state will have

to take charge or nothing will get done. People in the southern and western

parts of the state may have to cover a lot of territory... I am not about to

travel all over the state...I can help to coordinate efforts via emaiI

Ellen

Ellen Garber Bronfeld

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This is a pretty good idea, Ann - of course we'd want to do it by voting

district rather than by county. Shucks we could develop a spread sheet even.

Bill sponsorship and voting records would be pretty easy to track. Whether they

speak out or arm twist, would be tougher, but ... I love to make decisions based

on data.

Whatchathink gamg?

Ron

>

> From: pam_harriscomcast (DOT) net <pam_harris@ comcast. net>

>

> Everybody go to the party store and buy those inexpensive plastic table

cloths.

>

> Maybe red - for the deep cuts?

>

> Or blue - for our sadness?

>

> or yellow - for the yellow bellied lawmakers

>

> or green - it's time for action

>

> or brown - the shit we are expected to accept

>

> or black - do they make black?

>

> Anyway - someone with more subtlety can suggest the color.

>

> Then, we cut them into strips and tie them around our trees.

>

> We ask our neighbors - our Church - everyone

>

> Let's fill all the trees in IL with our symbolic message to Springfield.

>

> Pam

>

> [

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This is a pretty good idea, Ann - of course we'd want to do it by voting

district rather than by county. Shucks we could develop a spread sheet even.

Bill sponsorship and voting records would be pretty easy to track. Whether they

speak out or arm twist, would be tougher, but ... I love to make decisions based

on data.

Whatchathink gamg?

Ron

>

> From: pam_harriscomcast (DOT) net <pam_harris@ comcast. net>

>

> Everybody go to the party store and buy those inexpensive plastic table

cloths.

>

> Maybe red - for the deep cuts?

>

> Or blue - for our sadness?

>

> or yellow - for the yellow bellied lawmakers

>

> or green - it's time for action

>

> or brown - the shit we are expected to accept

>

> or black - do they make black?

>

> Anyway - someone with more subtlety can suggest the color.

>

> Then, we cut them into strips and tie them around our trees.

>

> We ask our neighbors - our Church - everyone

>

> Let's fill all the trees in IL with our symbolic message to Springfield.

>

> Pam

>

> [

>

>

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Charlotte., I agree with you...he (Madigan) holds the (purse) strings that make

the Dems move, this way or that...

Historically, it was Quinn who helped to reshape the leadership system that is

currently in place in our state government...I am not well enough versed in the

history to tell the story, but the fact is, Quinn is a well established member

of the current status quo...this is something I only recently learned...

Ellen

Ellen Garber Bronfeld

egskb@...

Re: any idea of sending our message

Would the consensus be that Madigan is the chief chess player here? Maybe

if everyone focused on a single powerful legislator with the picketing,

sit-ins, ribbons, etc and supported his next opponent we could do some

damage???

In a message dated 7/15/2009 3:59:12 P.M. Central Daylight Time,

egskbsbcglobal (DOT) <mailto:egskb%40sbcglobal.net> net writes:

I keep thinking that in this state, I am not so sure that picketing is

going to be effective. Why would a legislator care, ultimately that 3-4 or

even 10 people were holding up signs near his/her office. Yes, it would

attract negative attention, but would we look like sore losers or whiners?

Maybe...It is all about public relations and spin...we don't have much power

right now...we have little money and a good number of votes...

This is a state where money and votes matter...it isn't a state with a

high degree of social conscience. That isn't to say we can't try this...a

combination of picketing and ribbons...

Pam is going to compile the various ideas that have been generated. I am

most appreciative for her efforts.

We need to look at the suggestions, see what budget decisions actually get

made in the next day or so and go from there.

I am not about to travel all over the state...I can help to coordinate

efforts via email, but others, in their various parts of the state will have

to take charge or nothing will get done. People in the southern and western

parts of the state may have to cover a lot of territory...I am not about to

travel all over the state...I can help to coordinate efforts via emaiI

Ellen

Ellen Garber Bronfeld

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Charlotte., I agree with you...he (Madigan) holds the (purse) strings that make

the Dems move, this way or that...

Historically, it was Quinn who helped to reshape the leadership system that is

currently in place in our state government...I am not well enough versed in the

history to tell the story, but the fact is, Quinn is a well established member

of the current status quo...this is something I only recently learned...

Ellen

Ellen Garber Bronfeld

egskb@...

Re: any idea of sending our message

Would the consensus be that Madigan is the chief chess player here? Maybe

if everyone focused on a single powerful legislator with the picketing,

sit-ins, ribbons, etc and supported his next opponent we could do some

damage???

In a message dated 7/15/2009 3:59:12 P.M. Central Daylight Time,

egskbsbcglobal (DOT) <mailto:egskb%40sbcglobal.net> net writes:

I keep thinking that in this state, I am not so sure that picketing is

going to be effective. Why would a legislator care, ultimately that 3-4 or

even 10 people were holding up signs near his/her office. Yes, it would

attract negative attention, but would we look like sore losers or whiners?

Maybe...It is all about public relations and spin...we don't have much power

right now...we have little money and a good number of votes...

This is a state where money and votes matter...it isn't a state with a

high degree of social conscience. That isn't to say we can't try this...a

combination of picketing and ribbons...

Pam is going to compile the various ideas that have been generated. I am

most appreciative for her efforts.

We need to look at the suggestions, see what budget decisions actually get

made in the next day or so and go from there.

I am not about to travel all over the state...I can help to coordinate

efforts via email, but others, in their various parts of the state will have

to take charge or nothing will get done. People in the southern and western

parts of the state may have to cover a lot of territory...I am not about to

travel all over the state...I can help to coordinate efforts via emaiI

Ellen

Ellen Garber Bronfeld

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It's a great idea. I would help track my district. 

Pam

Re: any idea of sending our message

 

This is a pretty good idea, Ann - of course we'd want to do it by voting

district rather than by county. Shucks we could develop a spread sheet even.

Bill sponsorship and voting records would be pretty easy to track. Whether they

speak out or arm twist, would be tougher, but ... I love to make decisions based

on data.

Whatchathink gamg?

Ron

>

> From: pam_harriscomcast (DOT) net <pam_harris@ comcast. net>

>

> Everybody go to the party store and buy those inexpensive plastic table

cloths.

>

> Maybe red - for the deep cuts?

>

> Or blue - for our sadness?

>

> or yellow - for the yellow bellied lawmakers

>

> or green - it's time for action

>

> or brown - the shit we are expected to accept

>

> or black - do they make black?

>

> Anyway - someone with more subtlety can suggest the color.

>

> Then, we cut them into strips and tie them around our trees.

>

> We ask our neighbors - our Church - everyone

>

> Let's fill all the trees in IL with our symbolic message to Springfield.

>

> Pam

>

> [

>

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It's a great idea. I would help track my district. 

Pam

Re: any idea of sending our message

 

This is a pretty good idea, Ann - of course we'd want to do it by voting

district rather than by county. Shucks we could develop a spread sheet even.

Bill sponsorship and voting records would be pretty easy to track. Whether they

speak out or arm twist, would be tougher, but ... I love to make decisions based

on data.

Whatchathink gamg?

Ron

>

> From: pam_harriscomcast (DOT) net <pam_harris@ comcast. net>

>

> Everybody go to the party store and buy those inexpensive plastic table

cloths.

>

> Maybe red - for the deep cuts?

>

> Or blue - for our sadness?

>

> or yellow - for the yellow bellied lawmakers

>

> or green - it's time for action

>

> or brown - the shit we are expected to accept

>

> or black - do they make black?

>

> Anyway - someone with more subtlety can suggest the color.

>

> Then, we cut them into strips and tie them around our trees.

>

> We ask our neighbors - our Church - everyone

>

> Let's fill all the trees in IL with our symbolic message to Springfield.

>

> Pam

>

> [

>

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You can certainly follow through on any idea you think will help us all make

better decisions at election time...

If anyone wants to organize this, or any other plan, that would be great.

To be honest, I do not feel comfortable with the concept of civil disobedience.

I would encourage all of us to try to fall in line together on our strategies,

whatever they may be, but, that said, IPADDU is everyone's group...I am just one

of the moderators.

I am going to focus a lot of my attention on my local township and village

officials. I would like to start thinking along the lines of community

awareness in the northern suburbs and the expansion of employment opportunities.

As I progress, I will keep IPADDU apprised so that we can start developing

templates for how to do this...I have appreciated Laurie's postings, which have

given me some ideas about how to get started.

Ellen

Ellen Garber Bronfeld

egskb@...

Re: any idea of sending our message

This is a pretty good idea, Ann - of course we'd want to do it by voting

district rather than by county. Shucks we could develop a spread sheet even.

Bill sponsorship and voting records would be pretty easy to track. Whether they

speak out or arm twist, would be tougher, but ... I love to make decisions based

on data.

Whatchathink gamg?

Ron

>

> From: pam_harriscomcast (DOT) net <pam_harris@ comcast. net>

>

> Everybody go to the party store and buy those inexpensive plastic table

cloths.

>

> Maybe red - for the deep cuts?

>

> Or blue - for our sadness?

>

> or yellow - for the yellow bellied lawmakers

>

> or green - it's time for action

>

> or brown - the shit we are expected to accept

>

> or black - do they make black?

>

> Anyway - someone with more subtlety can suggest the color.

>

> Then, we cut them into strips and tie them around our trees.

>

> We ask our neighbors - our Church - everyone

>

> Let's fill all the trees in IL with our symbolic message to Springfield.

>

> Pam

>

> [

>

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You can certainly follow through on any idea you think will help us all make

better decisions at election time...

If anyone wants to organize this, or any other plan, that would be great.

To be honest, I do not feel comfortable with the concept of civil disobedience.

I would encourage all of us to try to fall in line together on our strategies,

whatever they may be, but, that said, IPADDU is everyone's group...I am just one

of the moderators.

I am going to focus a lot of my attention on my local township and village

officials. I would like to start thinking along the lines of community

awareness in the northern suburbs and the expansion of employment opportunities.

As I progress, I will keep IPADDU apprised so that we can start developing

templates for how to do this...I have appreciated Laurie's postings, which have

given me some ideas about how to get started.

Ellen

Ellen Garber Bronfeld

egskb@...

Re: any idea of sending our message

This is a pretty good idea, Ann - of course we'd want to do it by voting

district rather than by county. Shucks we could develop a spread sheet even.

Bill sponsorship and voting records would be pretty easy to track. Whether they

speak out or arm twist, would be tougher, but ... I love to make decisions based

on data.

Whatchathink gamg?

Ron

>

> From: pam_harriscomcast (DOT) net <pam_harris@ comcast. net>

>

> Everybody go to the party store and buy those inexpensive plastic table

cloths.

>

> Maybe red - for the deep cuts?

>

> Or blue - for our sadness?

>

> or yellow - for the yellow bellied lawmakers

>

> or green - it's time for action

>

> or brown - the shit we are expected to accept

>

> or black - do they make black?

>

> Anyway - someone with more subtlety can suggest the color.

>

> Then, we cut them into strips and tie them around our trees.

>

> We ask our neighbors - our Church - everyone

>

> Let's fill all the trees in IL with our symbolic message to Springfield.

>

> Pam

>

> [

>

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I will keep the spreadsheet and try to organize.

Ann

From: ELLEN BRONFELD <egskb@...>

Subject: Re: Re: any idea of sending our message

IPADDUnite

Date: Thursday, July 16, 2009, 9:23 PM

 

You can certainly follow through on any idea you think will help us all make

better decisions at election time...

If anyone wants to organize this, or any other plan, that would be great.

To be honest, I do not feel comfortable with the concept of civil disobedience.

I would encourage all of us to try to fall in line together on our strategies,

whatever they may be, but, that said, IPADDU is everyone's group...I am just one

of the moderators.

I am going to focus a lot of my attention on my local township and village

officials. I would like to start thinking along the lines of community awareness

in the northern suburbs and the expansion of employment opportunities.

As I progress, I will keep IPADDU apprised so that we can start developing

templates for how to do this...I have appreciated Laurie's postings, which have

given me some ideas about how to get started.

Ellen

Ellen Garber Bronfeld

egskbsbcglobal (DOT) net

Re: any idea of sending our message

This is a pretty good idea, Ann - of course we'd want to do it by voting

district rather than by county. Shucks we could develop a spread sheet even.

Bill sponsorship and voting records would be pretty easy to track. Whether they

speak out or arm twist, would be tougher, but ... I love to make decisions based

on data.

Whatchathink gamg?

Ron

>

> From: pam_harriscomcast (DOT) net <pam_harris@ comcast. net>

>

> Everybody go to the party store and buy those inexpensive plastic table

cloths.

>

> Maybe red - for the deep cuts?

>

> Or blue - for our sadness?

>

> or yellow - for the yellow bellied lawmakers

>

> or green - it's time for action

>

> or brown - the shit we are expected to accept

>

> or black - do they make black?

>

> Anyway - someone with more subtlety can suggest the color.

>

> Then, we cut them into strips and tie them around our trees.

>

> We ask our neighbors - our Church - everyone

>

> Let's fill all the trees in IL with our symbolic message to Springfield.

>

> Pam

>

> [

>

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I will keep the spreadsheet and try to organize.

Ann

From: ELLEN BRONFELD <egskb@...>

Subject: Re: Re: any idea of sending our message

IPADDUnite

Date: Thursday, July 16, 2009, 9:23 PM

 

You can certainly follow through on any idea you think will help us all make

better decisions at election time...

If anyone wants to organize this, or any other plan, that would be great.

To be honest, I do not feel comfortable with the concept of civil disobedience.

I would encourage all of us to try to fall in line together on our strategies,

whatever they may be, but, that said, IPADDU is everyone's group...I am just one

of the moderators.

I am going to focus a lot of my attention on my local township and village

officials. I would like to start thinking along the lines of community awareness

in the northern suburbs and the expansion of employment opportunities.

As I progress, I will keep IPADDU apprised so that we can start developing

templates for how to do this...I have appreciated Laurie's postings, which have

given me some ideas about how to get started.

Ellen

Ellen Garber Bronfeld

egskbsbcglobal (DOT) net

Re: any idea of sending our message

This is a pretty good idea, Ann - of course we'd want to do it by voting

district rather than by county. Shucks we could develop a spread sheet even.

Bill sponsorship and voting records would be pretty easy to track. Whether they

speak out or arm twist, would be tougher, but ... I love to make decisions based

on data.

Whatchathink gamg?

Ron

>

> From: pam_harriscomcast (DOT) net <pam_harris@ comcast. net>

>

> Everybody go to the party store and buy those inexpensive plastic table

cloths.

>

> Maybe red - for the deep cuts?

>

> Or blue - for our sadness?

>

> or yellow - for the yellow bellied lawmakers

>

> or green - it's time for action

>

> or brown - the shit we are expected to accept

>

> or black - do they make black?

>

> Anyway - someone with more subtlety can suggest the color.

>

> Then, we cut them into strips and tie them around our trees.

>

> We ask our neighbors - our Church - everyone

>

> Let's fill all the trees in IL with our symbolic message to Springfield.

>

> Pam

>

> [

>

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Great, Ann.

Ellen

Ellen Garber Bronfeld

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Re: any idea of sending our message

This is a pretty good idea, Ann - of course we'd want to do it by voting

district rather than by county. Shucks we could develop a spread sheet even.

Bill sponsorship and voting records would be pretty easy to track. Whether they

speak out or arm twist, would be tougher, but ... I love to make decisions based

on data.

Whatchathink gamg?

Ron

>

> From: pam_harriscomcast (DOT) net <pam_harris@ comcast. net>

>

> Everybody go to the party store and buy those inexpensive plastic table

cloths.

>

> Maybe red - for the deep cuts?

>

> Or blue - for our sadness?

>

> or yellow - for the yellow bellied lawmakers

>

> or green - it's time for action

>

> or brown - the shit we are expected to accept

>

> or black - do they make black?

>

> Anyway - someone with more subtlety can suggest the color.

>

> Then, we cut them into strips and tie them around our trees.

>

> We ask our neighbors - our Church - everyone

>

> Let's fill all the trees in IL with our symbolic message to Springfield.

>

> Pam

>

> [

>

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Great, Ann.

Ellen

Ellen Garber Bronfeld

egskb@...

Re: any idea of sending our message

This is a pretty good idea, Ann - of course we'd want to do it by voting

district rather than by county. Shucks we could develop a spread sheet even.

Bill sponsorship and voting records would be pretty easy to track. Whether they

speak out or arm twist, would be tougher, but ... I love to make decisions based

on data.

Whatchathink gamg?

Ron

>

> From: pam_harriscomcast (DOT) net <pam_harris@ comcast. net>

>

> Everybody go to the party store and buy those inexpensive plastic table

cloths.

>

> Maybe red - for the deep cuts?

>

> Or blue - for our sadness?

>

> or yellow - for the yellow bellied lawmakers

>

> or green - it's time for action

>

> or brown - the shit we are expected to accept

>

> or black - do they make black?

>

> Anyway - someone with more subtlety can suggest the color.

>

> Then, we cut them into strips and tie them around our trees.

>

> We ask our neighbors - our Church - everyone

>

> Let's fill all the trees in IL with our symbolic message to Springfield.

>

> Pam

>

> [

>

>

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That's great, Ann. I'll help out if needed.

Ron

> >

> > From: pam_harriscomcast (DOT) net <pam_harris@ comcast. net>

> >

> > Everybody go to the party store and buy those inexpensive plastic table

cloths.

> >

> > Maybe red - for the deep cuts?

> >

> > Or blue - for our sadness?

> >

> > or yellow - for the yellow bellied lawmakers

> >

> > or green - it's time for action

> >

> > or brown - the shit we are expected to accept

> >

> > or black - do they make black?

> >

> > Anyway - someone with more subtlety can suggest the color.

> >

> > Then, we cut them into strips and tie them around our trees.

> >

> > We ask our neighbors - our Church - everyone

> >

> > Let's fill all the trees in IL with our symbolic message to Springfield.

> >

> > Pam

> >

> > [

> >

> >

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That's great, Ann. I'll help out if needed.

Ron

> >

> > From: pam_harriscomcast (DOT) net <pam_harris@ comcast. net>

> >

> > Everybody go to the party store and buy those inexpensive plastic table

cloths.

> >

> > Maybe red - for the deep cuts?

> >

> > Or blue - for our sadness?

> >

> > or yellow - for the yellow bellied lawmakers

> >

> > or green - it's time for action

> >

> > or brown - the shit we are expected to accept

> >

> > or black - do they make black?

> >

> > Anyway - someone with more subtlety can suggest the color.

> >

> > Then, we cut them into strips and tie them around our trees.

> >

> > We ask our neighbors - our Church - everyone

> >

> > Let's fill all the trees in IL with our symbolic message to Springfield.

> >

> > Pam

> >

> > [

> >

> >

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