Re: any idea of sending our message

[Guest guest]

How about a color that somehow represents the contribution that our individuals

can make to society? A color that represents their equal rights and

humanity...white??? Green??? Hot pink or some other real bright color???

The message needs to be positive...illustrating capability and independence...

Ellen

Ellen Garber Bronfeld

egskb@...

any idea of sending our message

Everybody go to the party store and buy those inexpensive plastic table

cloths.

Maybe red - for the deep cuts?

Or blue - for our sadness?

or yellow - for the yellow bellied lawmakers

or green - it's time for action

or brown - the shit we are expected to accept

or black - do they make black?

Anyway - someone with more subtlety can suggest the color.

Then, we cut them into strips and tie them around our trees.

We ask our neighbors - our Church - everyone

Let's fill all the trees in IL with our symbolic message to Springfield.

Pam

[Guest guest]

How about a color that somehow represents the contribution that our individuals

can make to society? A color that represents their equal rights and

humanity...white??? Green??? Hot pink or some other real bright color???

The message needs to be positive...illustrating capability and independence...

Ellen

Ellen Garber Bronfeld

egskb@...

any idea of sending our message

Everybody go to the party store and buy those inexpensive plastic table

cloths.

Maybe red - for the deep cuts?

Or blue - for our sadness?

or yellow - for the yellow bellied lawmakers

or green - it's time for action

or brown - the shit we are expected to accept

or black - do they make black?

Anyway - someone with more subtlety can suggest the color.

Then, we cut them into strips and tie them around our trees.

We ask our neighbors - our Church - everyone

Let's fill all the trees in IL with our symbolic message to Springfield.

Pam

[Guest guest]

I like black...for the death of services.  Just my opinion.

I also believe that small, organized, rotating groups picketing home offices of

the politicians is a great idea.  We do have the right to peacefully assemble

and if need be, permits could be applied for.

If we are talking " civil disobedience " , then we need to think of every way we

can get noticed.  Luther King and Ghandi used more than one method of

gaining attention and getting heard.  We can't do just one thing.  We need to

bombard society, peacefully.  We can't let the politicians or the citizens

forget that our loved ones need help. 

We should also include our loved ones as much as possible.  It is easy to turn a

blind eye to the invisible.  I know not every person who needs services is able

to participate in protests but the ones who can..should.  Our politicians can't

just hear about the challenges we face.  They should SEE the challenges our

families face.  It is easy for people who do not have any experience in our

world to tell themselves that we blow our needs out of proportion or that we are

nothing more than hysterical parents with " entitlement issues " .  Anticipate the

enemy's excuses and prove them wrong.

Sandi

From: pam_harris@... <pam_harris@...>

Everybody go to the party store and buy those inexpensive plastic table cloths. 

Maybe red - for the deep cuts? 

Or blue - for our sadness? 

or yellow - for the yellow bellied lawmakers 

or green - it's time for action

or brown - the shit we are expected to accept

or black - do they make black? 

Anyway - someone with more subtlety can suggest the color. 

Then, we cut them into strips and tie them around our trees. 

We ask our neighbors - our Church - everyone

Let's fill all the trees in IL with our symbolic message to Springfield.

Pam

[

[Guest guest]

I like black...for the death of services.  Just my opinion.

I also believe that small, organized, rotating groups picketing home offices of

the politicians is a great idea.  We do have the right to peacefully assemble

and if need be, permits could be applied for.

If we are talking " civil disobedience " , then we need to think of every way we

can get noticed.  Luther King and Ghandi used more than one method of

gaining attention and getting heard.  We can't do just one thing.  We need to

bombard society, peacefully.  We can't let the politicians or the citizens

forget that our loved ones need help. 

We should also include our loved ones as much as possible.  It is easy to turn a

blind eye to the invisible.  I know not every person who needs services is able

to participate in protests but the ones who can..should.  Our politicians can't

just hear about the challenges we face.  They should SEE the challenges our

families face.  It is easy for people who do not have any experience in our

world to tell themselves that we blow our needs out of proportion or that we are

nothing more than hysterical parents with " entitlement issues " .  Anticipate the

enemy's excuses and prove them wrong.

Sandi

From: pam_harris@... <pam_harris@...>

Everybody go to the party store and buy those inexpensive plastic table cloths. 

Maybe red - for the deep cuts? 

Or blue - for our sadness? 

or yellow - for the yellow bellied lawmakers 

or green - it's time for action

or brown - the shit we are expected to accept

or black - do they make black? 

Anyway - someone with more subtlety can suggest the color. 

Then, we cut them into strips and tie them around our trees. 

We ask our neighbors - our Church - everyone

Let's fill all the trees in IL with our symbolic message to Springfield.

Pam

[

[Guest guest]

One thing I would like to add is before we picket a legislator's home office, we

should check to see how he/she voted.  We should concentrate our efforts on

those who vote against bills that help our loved ones.

From: pam_harriscomcast (DOT) net <pam_harriscomcast (DOT) net>

Everybody go to the party store and buy those inexpensive plastic table cloths. 

Maybe red - for the deep cuts? 

Or blue - for our sadness? 

or yellow - for the yellow bellied lawmakers 

or green - it's time for action

or brown - the shit we are expected to accept

or black - do they make black? 

Anyway - someone with more subtlety can suggest the color. 

Then, we cut them into strips and tie them around our trees. 

We ask our neighbors - our Church - everyone

Let's fill all the trees in IL with our symbolic message to Springfield.

Pam

[

[Guest guest]

One thing I would like to add is before we picket a legislator's home office, we

should check to see how he/she voted.  We should concentrate our efforts on

those who vote against bills that help our loved ones.

From: pam_harriscomcast (DOT) net <pam_harriscomcast (DOT) net>

Everybody go to the party store and buy those inexpensive plastic table cloths. 

Maybe red - for the deep cuts? 

Or blue - for our sadness? 

or yellow - for the yellow bellied lawmakers 

or green - it's time for action

or brown - the shit we are expected to accept

or black - do they make black? 

Anyway - someone with more subtlety can suggest the color. 

Then, we cut them into strips and tie them around our trees. 

We ask our neighbors - our Church - everyone

Let's fill all the trees in IL with our symbolic message to Springfield.

Pam

[

[Guest guest]

I keep thinking that in this state, I am not so sure that picketing is going to

be effective. Why would a legislator care, ultimately that 3-4 or even 10

people were holding up signs near his/her office. Yes, it would attract

negative attention, but would we look like sore losers or whiners? Maybe...It

is all about public relations and spin...we don't have much power right now...we

have little money and a good number of votes...

This is a state where money and votes matter...it isn't a state with a high

degree of social conscience. That isn't to say we can't try this...a

combination of picketing and ribbons...

Pam is going to compile the various ideas that have been generated. I am most

appreciative for her efforts.

We need to look at the suggestions, see what budget decisions actually get made

in the next day or so and go from there.

I am not about to travel all over the state...I can help to coordinate efforts

via email, but others, in their various parts of the state will have to take

charge or nothing will get done. People in the southern and western parts of

the state may have to cover a lot of territory...This won't be all that useful

if we continue to target only the same 15-20 legislators...

Ellen

Ellen Garber Bronfeld

egskb@...

Re: any idea of sending our message

One thing I would like to add is before we picket a legislator's home office,

we should check to see how he/she voted. We should concentrate our efforts on

those who vote against bills that help our loved ones.

From: pam_harriscomcast (DOT) net <pam_harriscomcast (DOT) net>

Everybody go to the party store and buy those inexpensive plastic table

cloths.

Maybe red - for the deep cuts?

Or blue - for our sadness?

or yellow - for the yellow bellied lawmakers

or green - it's time for action

or brown - the shit we are expected to accept

or black - do they make black?

Anyway - someone with more subtlety can suggest the color.

Then, we cut them into strips and tie them around our trees.

We ask our neighbors - our Church - everyone

Let's fill all the trees in IL with our symbolic message to Springfield.

Pam

[

[Guest guest]

I keep thinking that in this state, I am not so sure that picketing is going to

be effective. Why would a legislator care, ultimately that 3-4 or even 10

people were holding up signs near his/her office. Yes, it would attract

negative attention, but would we look like sore losers or whiners? Maybe...It

is all about public relations and spin...we don't have much power right now...we

have little money and a good number of votes...

This is a state where money and votes matter...it isn't a state with a high

degree of social conscience. That isn't to say we can't try this...a

combination of picketing and ribbons...

Pam is going to compile the various ideas that have been generated. I am most

appreciative for her efforts.

We need to look at the suggestions, see what budget decisions actually get made

in the next day or so and go from there.

I am not about to travel all over the state...I can help to coordinate efforts

via email, but others, in their various parts of the state will have to take

charge or nothing will get done. People in the southern and western parts of

the state may have to cover a lot of territory...This won't be all that useful

if we continue to target only the same 15-20 legislators...

Ellen

Ellen Garber Bronfeld

egskb@...

Re: any idea of sending our message

One thing I would like to add is before we picket a legislator's home office,

we should check to see how he/she voted. We should concentrate our efforts on

those who vote against bills that help our loved ones.

From: pam_harriscomcast (DOT) net <pam_harriscomcast (DOT) net>

Everybody go to the party store and buy those inexpensive plastic table

cloths.

Maybe red - for the deep cuts?

Or blue - for our sadness?

or yellow - for the yellow bellied lawmakers

or green - it's time for action

or brown - the shit we are expected to accept

or black - do they make black?

Anyway - someone with more subtlety can suggest the color.

Then, we cut them into strips and tie them around our trees.

We ask our neighbors - our Church - everyone

Let's fill all the trees in IL with our symbolic message to Springfield.

Pam

[

[Guest guest]

One more thought...another supporting tactic would be to throw in with other

mainstream organizations who have paid lobbyists and who are NOT associated with

social/human services.  I doubt we'd get far with any Chamber of Commerce

chapters, since their national chapter vocally opposed the reauthorization and

rewrites to the ADA; but most cities and smaller municipalities have lobbyists

that work Springfield on a regular basis.  We are in talks with the City of

Naperville to consider adding as a City Legislative Goal something pertaining to

the needs of people with disabilities -- and now that their #1 legislative

priority has been signed into law, the Capitol Bill, maybe we have a better

chance now than we did several days ago. 

I keep coming back to that the old strategies/alliances haven't worked -- maybe

it's time to forge some new alliances with other stakeholders? 

Laurie

Re: any idea of sending our message

One thing I would like to add is before we picket a legislator's home office, we

should check to see how he/she voted. We should concentrate our efforts on those

who vote against bills that help our loved ones.

From: pam_harriscomcast (DOT) net <pam_harriscomcast (DOT) net>

Everybody go to the party store and buy those inexpensive plastic table cloths.

Maybe red - for the deep cuts?

Or blue - for our sadness?

or yellow - for the yellow bellied lawmakers

or green - it's time for action

or brown - the shit we are expected to accept

or black - do they make black?

Anyway - someone with more subtlety can suggest the color.

Then, we cut them into strips and tie them around our trees.

We ask our neighbors - our Church - everyone

Let's fill all the trees in IL with our symbolic message to Springfield.

Pam

[

[Guest guest]

One more thought...another supporting tactic would be to throw in with other

mainstream organizations who have paid lobbyists and who are NOT associated with

social/human services.  I doubt we'd get far with any Chamber of Commerce

chapters, since their national chapter vocally opposed the reauthorization and

rewrites to the ADA; but most cities and smaller municipalities have lobbyists

that work Springfield on a regular basis.  We are in talks with the City of

Naperville to consider adding as a City Legislative Goal something pertaining to

the needs of people with disabilities -- and now that their #1 legislative

priority has been signed into law, the Capitol Bill, maybe we have a better

chance now than we did several days ago. 

I keep coming back to that the old strategies/alliances haven't worked -- maybe

it's time to forge some new alliances with other stakeholders? 

Laurie

Re: any idea of sending our message

One thing I would like to add is before we picket a legislator's home office, we

should check to see how he/she voted. We should concentrate our efforts on those

who vote against bills that help our loved ones.

From: pam_harriscomcast (DOT) net <pam_harriscomcast (DOT) net>

Everybody go to the party store and buy those inexpensive plastic table cloths.

Maybe red - for the deep cuts?

Or blue - for our sadness?

or yellow - for the yellow bellied lawmakers

or green - it's time for action

or brown - the shit we are expected to accept

or black - do they make black?

Anyway - someone with more subtlety can suggest the color.

Then, we cut them into strips and tie them around our trees.

We ask our neighbors - our Church - everyone

Let's fill all the trees in IL with our symbolic message to Springfield.

Pam

[

[Guest guest]

Would the consensus be that Madigan is the chief chess player here? Maybe

if everyone focused on a single powerful legislator with the picketing,

sit-ins, ribbons, etc and supported his next opponent we could do some

damage???

In a message dated 7/15/2009 3:59:12 P.M. Central Daylight Time,

egskb@... writes:

I keep thinking that in this state, I am not so sure that picketing is

going to be effective. Why would a legislator care, ultimately that 3-4 or

even 10 people were holding up signs near his/her office. Yes, it would

attract negative attention, but would we look like sore losers or whiners?

Maybe...It is all about public relations and spin...we don't have much power

right now...we have little money and a good number of votes...

This is a state where money and votes matter...it isn't a state with a

high degree of social conscience. That isn't to say we can't try this...a

combination of picketing and ribbons...

Pam is going to compile the various ideas that have been generated. I am

most appreciative for her efforts.

We need to look at the suggestions, see what budget decisions actually get

made in the next day or so and go from there.

I am not about to travel all over the state...I can help to coordinate

efforts via email, but others, in their various parts of the state will have

to take charge or nothing will get done. People in the southern and western

parts of the state may have to cover a lot of territory...I am not about to

travel all over the state...I can help to coordinate efforts via emaiI

Ellen

Ellen Garber Bronfeld

_egskb@..._ (mailto:egskb@...)

----- Original Message -----

From: Finato

_IPADDUnite@groIPADDUn_ (mailto:IPADDUnite )

Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 1:54 PM

Subject: Re: any idea of sending our message

One thing I would like to add is before we picket a legislator's home

office, we should check to see how he/she voted. We should concentrate our

efforts on those who vote against bills that help our loved ones.

From: pam_harriscomcast (DOT) net <pam_harris@pam_harris@<WBR>>

Everybody go to the party store and buy those inexpensive plastic table

cloths.

Maybe red - for the deep cuts?

Or blue - for our sadness?

or yellow - for the yellow bellied lawmakers

or green - it's time for action

or brown - the shit we are expected to accept

or black - do they make black?

Anyway - someone with more subtlety can suggest the color.

Then, we cut them into strips and tie them around our trees.

We ask our neighbors - our Church - everyone

Let's fill all the trees in IL with our symbolic message to Springfield.

Pam

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[Guest guest]

Would the consensus be that Madigan is the chief chess player here? Maybe

if everyone focused on a single powerful legislator with the picketing,

sit-ins, ribbons, etc and supported his next opponent we could do some

damage???

In a message dated 7/15/2009 3:59:12 P.M. Central Daylight Time,

egskb@... writes:

I keep thinking that in this state, I am not so sure that picketing is

going to be effective. Why would a legislator care, ultimately that 3-4 or

even 10 people were holding up signs near his/her office. Yes, it would

attract negative attention, but would we look like sore losers or whiners?

Maybe...It is all about public relations and spin...we don't have much power

right now...we have little money and a good number of votes...

This is a state where money and votes matter...it isn't a state with a

high degree of social conscience. That isn't to say we can't try this...a

combination of picketing and ribbons...

Pam is going to compile the various ideas that have been generated. I am

most appreciative for her efforts.

We need to look at the suggestions, see what budget decisions actually get

made in the next day or so and go from there.

I am not about to travel all over the state...I can help to coordinate

efforts via email, but others, in their various parts of the state will have

to take charge or nothing will get done. People in the southern and western

parts of the state may have to cover a lot of territory...I am not about to

travel all over the state...I can help to coordinate efforts via emaiI

Ellen

Ellen Garber Bronfeld

_egskb@..._ (mailto:egskb@...)

----- Original Message -----

From: Finato

_IPADDUnite@groIPADDUn_ (mailto:IPADDUnite )

Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 1:54 PM

Subject: Re: any idea of sending our message

One thing I would like to add is before we picket a legislator's home

office, we should check to see how he/she voted. We should concentrate our

efforts on those who vote against bills that help our loved ones.

From: pam_harriscomcast (DOT) net <pam_harris@pam_harris@<WBR>>

Everybody go to the party store and buy those inexpensive plastic table

cloths.

Maybe red - for the deep cuts?

Or blue - for our sadness?

or yellow - for the yellow bellied lawmakers

or green - it's time for action

or brown - the shit we are expected to accept

or black - do they make black?

Anyway - someone with more subtlety can suggest the color.

Then, we cut them into strips and tie them around our trees.

We ask our neighbors - our Church - everyone

Let's fill all the trees in IL with our symbolic message to Springfield.

Pam

[

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

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[Guest guest]

Have a short break from learning how to train a guide dog...I like the Black

or red ribbon idea as a start. One thing I learned yesterday, and I suppose

many of you already know this but despite our best efforts and a lot of

media people even tied to human services, many are cluless. I have a friend

who is getting higher certification in a special needs domain, she brought

this up to her fellow classmates, they were unaware and focused on whether

they would be working this fall. I guess we have to remember this might all

take a small start. Seems a great many of us up in the chicago area are

somewhat tied up with IPADD, other support systems. what do we know about

the netowrk in central or southern Il, to get some visable public notice.

If we did tie ribbons to our trees, that would certainly arouse question

etc. obviously none of us has ever done or organized something

likethis. Cindi

[Guest guest]

Have a short break from learning how to train a guide dog...I like the Black

or red ribbon idea as a start. One thing I learned yesterday, and I suppose

many of you already know this but despite our best efforts and a lot of

media people even tied to human services, many are cluless. I have a friend

who is getting higher certification in a special needs domain, she brought

this up to her fellow classmates, they were unaware and focused on whether

they would be working this fall. I guess we have to remember this might all

take a small start. Seems a great many of us up in the chicago area are

somewhat tied up with IPADD, other support systems. what do we know about

the netowrk in central or southern Il, to get some visable public notice.

If we did tie ribbons to our trees, that would certainly arouse question

etc. obviously none of us has ever done or organized something

likethis. Cindi

[Guest guest]

Madigan definitely is the top dog.

From: pam_harriscomcast (DOT) net <pam_harris@ pam_harris@ <WBR>>

Everybody go to the party store and buy those inexpensive plastic table

cloths.

Maybe red - for the deep cuts?

Or blue - for our sadness?

or yellow - for the yellow bellied lawmakers

or green - it's time for action

or brown - the shit we are expected to accept

or black - do they make black?

Anyway - someone with more subtlety can suggest the color.

Then, we cut them into strips and tie them around our trees.

We ask our neighbors - our Church - everyone

Let's fill all the trees in IL with our symbolic message to Springfield..

Pam

[

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[Guest guest]

Madigan definitely is the top dog.

From: pam_harriscomcast (DOT) net <pam_harris@ pam_harris@ <WBR>>

Everybody go to the party store and buy those inexpensive plastic table

cloths.

Maybe red - for the deep cuts?

Or blue - for our sadness?

or yellow - for the yellow bellied lawmakers

or green - it's time for action

or brown - the shit we are expected to accept

or black - do they make black?

Anyway - someone with more subtlety can suggest the color.

Then, we cut them into strips and tie them around our trees.

We ask our neighbors - our Church - everyone

Let's fill all the trees in IL with our symbolic message to Springfield..

Pam

[

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[Guest guest]

I think when it comes to " who's who " in Springfield politics, we should check

with Tony auski, Phil Milsk, Susy Woods and Charlotte Cronin.

Christensen

Re: any idea of sending our message

Madigan definitely is the top dog.

From: pam_harriscomcast (DOT) net <pam_harris@ pam_harris@ <WBR>>

Everybody go to the party store and buy those inexpensive plastic table

cloths.

Maybe red - for the deep cuts?

Or blue - for our sadness?

or yellow - for the yellow bellied lawmakers

or green - it's time for action

or brown - the shit we are expected to accept

or black - do they make black?

Anyway - someone with more subtlety can suggest the color.

Then, we cut them into strips and tie them around our trees.

We ask our neighbors - our Church - everyone

Let's fill all the trees in IL with our symbolic message to Springfield..

Pam

[

[Guest guest]

I think when it comes to " who's who " in Springfield politics, we should check

with Tony auski, Phil Milsk, Susy Woods and Charlotte Cronin.

Christensen

Re: any idea of sending our message

Madigan definitely is the top dog.

From: pam_harriscomcast (DOT) net <pam_harris@ pam_harris@ <WBR>>

Everybody go to the party store and buy those inexpensive plastic table

cloths.

Maybe red - for the deep cuts?

Or blue - for our sadness?

or yellow - for the yellow bellied lawmakers

or green - it's time for action

or brown - the shit we are expected to accept

or black - do they make black?

Anyway - someone with more subtlety can suggest the color.

Then, we cut them into strips and tie them around our trees.

We ask our neighbors - our Church - everyone

Let's fill all the trees in IL with our symbolic message to Springfield..

Pam

[

[Guest guest]

I think they would agree about Madigan...but right now Quinn has just been

granted a great deal of control over the budget...that is probably not good for

us...

I am getting a very bad feeling...

Ellen

Ellen Garber Bronfeld

egskb@...

Re: any idea of sending our message

Madigan definitely is the top dog.

From: pam_harriscomcast (DOT) net <pam_harris@ pam_harris@ <WBR>>

Everybody go to the party store and buy those inexpensive plastic table

cloths.

Maybe red - for the deep cuts?

Or blue - for our sadness?

or yellow - for the yellow bellied lawmakers

or green - it's time for action

or brown - the shit we are expected to accept

or black - do they make black?

Anyway - someone with more subtlety can suggest the color.

Then, we cut them into strips and tie them around our trees.

We ask our neighbors - our Church - everyone

Let's fill all the trees in IL with our symbolic message to Springfield..

Pam

[

[Guest guest]

I think they would agree about Madigan...but right now Quinn has just been

granted a great deal of control over the budget...that is probably not good for

us...

I am getting a very bad feeling...

Ellen

Ellen Garber Bronfeld

egskb@...

Re: any idea of sending our message

Madigan definitely is the top dog.

From: pam_harriscomcast (DOT) net <pam_harris@ pam_harris@ <WBR>>

Everybody go to the party store and buy those inexpensive plastic table

cloths.

Maybe red - for the deep cuts?

Or blue - for our sadness?

or yellow - for the yellow bellied lawmakers

or green - it's time for action

or brown - the shit we are expected to accept

or black - do they make black?

Anyway - someone with more subtlety can suggest the color.

Then, we cut them into strips and tie them around our trees.

We ask our neighbors - our Church - everyone

Let's fill all the trees in IL with our symbolic message to Springfield..

Pam

[

[Guest guest]

Last week, I did a lot of phone calling, speaking to Reps and Senators on

both sides of the aisle as well as advocates who spend a lot of time at the

capitol.

I have come to understanding that Madigan is the problem. And I cannot

understand his motivation.

He is powerful and he seems to be isolating himself more and more.

Charlotte

_____

From: IPADDUnite [mailto:IPADDUnite ] On

Behalf Of asachapter145@...

Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 9:52 PM

IPADDUnite

Subject: Re: any idea of sending our message

Would the consensus be that Madigan is the chief chess player here? Maybe

if everyone focused on a single powerful legislator with the picketing,

sit-ins, ribbons, etc and supported his next opponent we could do some

damage???

In a message dated 7/15/2009 3:59:12 P.M. Central Daylight Time,

egskbsbcglobal (DOT) <mailto:egskb%40sbcglobal.net> net writes:

I keep thinking that in this state, I am not so sure that picketing is

going to be effective. Why would a legislator care, ultimately that 3-4 or

even 10 people were holding up signs near his/her office. Yes, it would

attract negative attention, but would we look like sore losers or whiners?

Maybe...It is all about public relations and spin...we don't have much power

right now...we have little money and a good number of votes...

This is a state where money and votes matter...it isn't a state with a

high degree of social conscience. That isn't to say we can't try this...a

combination of picketing and ribbons...

Pam is going to compile the various ideas that have been generated. I am

most appreciative for her efforts.

We need to look at the suggestions, see what budget decisions actually get

made in the next day or so and go from there.

I am not about to travel all over the state...I can help to coordinate

efforts via email, but others, in their various parts of the state will have

to take charge or nothing will get done. People in the southern and western

parts of the state may have to cover a lot of territory...I am not about to

travel all over the state...I can help to coordinate efforts via emaiI

Ellen

Ellen Garber Bronfeld

_egskbsbcglobal (DOT) <mailto:_egskb%40sbcglobal.egs> egs_

(mailto:egskbsbcglobal (DOT) <mailto:egskb%40sbcglobal.net> net)

[Guest guest]

Last week, I did a lot of phone calling, speaking to Reps and Senators on

both sides of the aisle as well as advocates who spend a lot of time at the

capitol.

I have come to understanding that Madigan is the problem. And I cannot

understand his motivation.

He is powerful and he seems to be isolating himself more and more.

Charlotte

_____

From: IPADDUnite [mailto:IPADDUnite ] On

Behalf Of asachapter145@...

Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 9:52 PM

IPADDUnite

Subject: Re: any idea of sending our message

Would the consensus be that Madigan is the chief chess player here? Maybe

if everyone focused on a single powerful legislator with the picketing,

sit-ins, ribbons, etc and supported his next opponent we could do some

damage???

In a message dated 7/15/2009 3:59:12 P.M. Central Daylight Time,

egskbsbcglobal (DOT) <mailto:egskb%40sbcglobal.net> net writes:

I keep thinking that in this state, I am not so sure that picketing is

going to be effective. Why would a legislator care, ultimately that 3-4 or

even 10 people were holding up signs near his/her office. Yes, it would

attract negative attention, but would we look like sore losers or whiners?

Maybe...It is all about public relations and spin...we don't have much power

right now...we have little money and a good number of votes...

This is a state where money and votes matter...it isn't a state with a

high degree of social conscience. That isn't to say we can't try this...a

combination of picketing and ribbons...

Pam is going to compile the various ideas that have been generated. I am

most appreciative for her efforts.

We need to look at the suggestions, see what budget decisions actually get

made in the next day or so and go from there.

I am not about to travel all over the state...I can help to coordinate

efforts via email, but others, in their various parts of the state will have

to take charge or nothing will get done. People in the southern and western

parts of the state may have to cover a lot of territory...I am not about to

travel all over the state...I can help to coordinate efforts via emaiI

Ellen

Ellen Garber Bronfeld

_egskbsbcglobal (DOT) <mailto:_egskb%40sbcglobal.egs> egs_

(mailto:egskbsbcglobal (DOT) <mailto:egskb%40sbcglobal.net> net)

[Guest guest]

He has TOO MUCH POWER.  He's the poster child for the term limits that Ron's

been advocating.

From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/_Madigan

J. Madigan (born April 19, 1942) is the Speaker of the Illinois House of

Representatives and Chairman of the Democratic Party of Illinois.[1] A Democrat,

he has held the position of Speaker of the House for all but two years

since 1983—those two years being a brief interregnum of Republican

majority.[2] He has been a member of the Illinois House since 1971, and

currently represents the 22nd district.

From: Charlotte Cronin <fsn@...>

Subject: RE: any idea of sending our message

IPADDUnite

Date: Thursday, July 16, 2009, 10:00 AM

 

Last week, I did a lot of phone calling, speaking to Reps and

Senators on

both sides of the aisle as well as advocates who spend a lot of time at the

capitol.

I have come to understanding that Madigan is the problem. And I cannot

understand his motivation.

He is powerful and he seems to be isolating himself more and more.

Charlotte

_____

From: IPADDUnite@gro ups.com [mailto:IPADDUnite@gro ups.com] On

Behalf Of asachapter145@ aol.com

Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 9:52 PM

IPADDUnite@gro ups.com

Subject: Re: any idea of sending our message

Would the consensus be that Madigan is the chief chess player here? Maybe

if everyone focused on a single powerful legislator with the picketing,

sit-ins, ribbons, etc and supported his next opponent we could do some

damage???

In a message dated 7/15/2009 3:59:12 P.M. Central Daylight Time,

egskbsbcglobal (DOT) <mailto:egskb% 40sbcglobal. net> net writes:

I keep thinking that in this state, I am not so sure that picketing is

going to be effective. Why would a legislator care, ultimately that 3-4 or

even 10 people were holding up signs near his/her office. Yes, it would

attract negative attention, but would we look like sore losers or whiners?

Maybe...It is all about public relations and spin...we don't have much power

right now...we have little money and a good number of votes...

This is a state where money and votes matter...it isn't a state with a

high degree of social conscience. That isn't to say we can't try this...a

combination of picketing and ribbons...

Pam is going to compile the various ideas that have been generated. I am

most appreciative for her efforts.

We need to look at the suggestions, see what budget decisions actually get

made in the next day or so and go from there.

I am not about to travel all over the state...I can help to coordinate

efforts via email, but others, in their various parts of the state will have

to take charge or nothing will get done. People in the southern and western

parts of the state may have to cover a lot of territory... I am not about to

travel all over the state...I can help to coordinate efforts via emaiI

Ellen

Ellen Garber Bronfeld

_egskbsbcglobal (DOT) <mailto:_egskb% 40sbcglobal. egs> egs_

(mailto:egskb@ sbcglobal. <mailto:egskb% 40sbcglobal. net> net)

[Guest guest]

He has TOO MUCH POWER.  He's the poster child for the term limits that Ron's

been advocating.

From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/_Madigan

J. Madigan (born April 19, 1942) is the Speaker of the Illinois House of

Representatives and Chairman of the Democratic Party of Illinois.[1] A Democrat,

he has held the position of Speaker of the House for all but two years

since 1983—those two years being a brief interregnum of Republican

majority.[2] He has been a member of the Illinois House since 1971, and

currently represents the 22nd district.

From: Charlotte Cronin <fsn@...>

Subject: RE: any idea of sending our message

IPADDUnite

Date: Thursday, July 16, 2009, 10:00 AM

 

Last week, I did a lot of phone calling, speaking to Reps and

Senators on

both sides of the aisle as well as advocates who spend a lot of time at the

capitol.

I have come to understanding that Madigan is the problem. And I cannot

understand his motivation.

He is powerful and he seems to be isolating himself more and more.

Charlotte

_____

From: IPADDUnite@gro ups.com [mailto:IPADDUnite@gro ups.com] On

Behalf Of asachapter145@ aol.com

Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 9:52 PM

IPADDUnite@gro ups.com

Subject: Re: any idea of sending our message

Would the consensus be that Madigan is the chief chess player here? Maybe

if everyone focused on a single powerful legislator with the picketing,

sit-ins, ribbons, etc and supported his next opponent we could do some

damage???

In a message dated 7/15/2009 3:59:12 P.M. Central Daylight Time,

egskbsbcglobal (DOT) <mailto:egskb% 40sbcglobal. net> net writes:

I keep thinking that in this state, I am not so sure that picketing is

going to be effective. Why would a legislator care, ultimately that 3-4 or

even 10 people were holding up signs near his/her office. Yes, it would

attract negative attention, but would we look like sore losers or whiners?

Maybe...It is all about public relations and spin...we don't have much power

right now...we have little money and a good number of votes...

This is a state where money and votes matter...it isn't a state with a

high degree of social conscience. That isn't to say we can't try this...a

combination of picketing and ribbons...

Pam is going to compile the various ideas that have been generated. I am

most appreciative for her efforts.

We need to look at the suggestions, see what budget decisions actually get

made in the next day or so and go from there.

I am not about to travel all over the state...I can help to coordinate

efforts via email, but others, in their various parts of the state will have

to take charge or nothing will get done. People in the southern and western

parts of the state may have to cover a lot of territory... I am not about to

travel all over the state...I can help to coordinate efforts via emaiI

Ellen

Ellen Garber Bronfeld

_egskbsbcglobal (DOT) <mailto:_egskb% 40sbcglobal. egs> egs_

(mailto:egskb@ sbcglobal. <mailto:egskb% 40sbcglobal. net> net)

[Guest guest]

I have been struggling with the same thoughts. I think we still need to organize

to watch voting and choose/loose legislators. Maybe one person per county could

track legislators specific to their area and post. I'm afraid nothing much will

change the current immediate scenario. I do feel that we need to concentrate our

efforts on getting our kids into the community and build community connections,

write articles and post u-tubes to elevate our community within the

community-at-large. Maybe we can change the spirit within Illinois to have

others outside our disability community join us in supporting the more

vunerable. Just as there aren't many people who don't know someone who has

experienced cancer, we are approaching that level where many have family

connections with a person with a disability. We tend to isolate ourselves in our

own community. I was profoundly moved by Judith Snow's article and thoughful

philosophy.

 

Ann

From: pam_harriscomcast (DOT) net <pam_harris@ comcast. net>

Everybody go to the party store and buy those inexpensive plastic table cloths.

Maybe red - for the deep cuts?

Or blue - for our sadness?

or yellow - for the yellow bellied lawmakers

or green - it's time for action

or brown - the shit we are expected to accept

or black - do they make black?

Anyway - someone with more subtlety can suggest the color.

Then, we cut them into strips and tie them around our trees.

We ask our neighbors - our Church - everyone

Let's fill all the trees in IL with our symbolic message to Springfield.

Pam

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