Re: Concerns with Unions and their efforsts raising a concern.

[Guest guest]

Ellen, you're braver than me.  I remember one time on an AOL parenting message

board, I was explaining the Support Living Assistant program that Angel was

receiving and the ignorant wenches  that complained about us receiving these

services for free.  They tried to compare these services to welfare or free

'babysitting'.  I literally had my account suspended for seven days because of

my response to this person  (I called her an appropriate, but very nasty name).

To anyone out there who do 'work' for their children and are brave enough to go

public, I would suggest a very long narrative on what you do, why you do it, why

it's needed, etc.

From: rams110300 <rams110300@ . com>

Subject: Concerns with Unions and their efforsts raising a concern.

IPADDUnite@gro ups.com

Date: Wednesday, August 12, 2009, 3:38 PM

It has started. Two weeks ago litature in the mail from two different entities:

AFSCME, Council 31. I have forgoten the other, maybe SEIU.

Second, phone calls from both. Asking for both of my In Home support Workers. I

asked how they got names and info. Reply, The State. Requested Both, take off

list and not to call.

This Monday, Two individuals showed up at my door again, asking for Home base

workers to join the union. I drilled them for info again.

Suggested an invaision of privacy. They said they got information again from

state. ( I truly question given December 2008, The refusal to turn over a list

to the pests.)

I asked them where is the money going to come from to pay for the unions

overhead, administraition, wages, benefits, perks when the amount that is

allocated to the waiver program is no even enough to support the current needs.

They assured me they were going to work hard to increase the the funds coming

into the waiver program. My comment to them, for those who now me, GOOD LUCK! &

Stop traying to reduce what little resources are availeble to our individuals.

I made a strong request for them, again, to remove my workers for their list and

their bodies from my propery.

Most Import thing I had forgoten**** ***(I used Today when the second union rep.

came to my door.) Our community has an ordinace that any one coming into the

community to solicit needs to have a permit.

So, when AFSCME Council 31 showed up, I asked them all the info to report to the

police. They do not have a permit of the right to be doing this.

I have shared the with Assocs. Secretary Grace Hou at a meeting yesterday. I ask

her if there was a way to may family information private and unaccessable the

these entities. There were others that were present the resounded that these

occerences are creating serious conseqences for them and their workers.

If these unions are approaching your personal propery the poliece advise you to

stop by, file a report, get a no tresspass sign, a no solisitation sign, call

them. Asking for dues to join the union is soliciting money and forbiden. check

your local ordineces, must residence are unaware of this.

[Guest guest]

slightly different direction, same topic bringing in Executive order 09-15.

Taking a little time to read it.

Would love help in digesting it as it appies.

Please, help. Humor always helps.

I could use some.

Especilly with its verbage:

Not able to print a copy of it.

" Whereas it is important to perserve relationship ...control over serveral areas

it is accurate in stating, but

The executive order in reading it and reading the waiver document and knowing

the first hand facts, The E.O. states some inaccuricies:

Specific to the " IN HOME BASE WAIVER " in what it says.

1. " State's ability to ensure effective & efficient delivery of services " OK,

come on community who does this under the home base waiver?

2. and Control the economic terms of compensation (PSW?), who sets 55d, within

the waiber budget (THe monthly allocation)? Service Agreement.

OH, let's just go on to the forth whereas for now and I'll stop for the moment.

This may of maynot apply. But it is not " each " and not " only " and there is no

language in the waiver about control of economic terms. Control is with the

employer and is part of the service agreement for 55D.

So, who are these entities going to negociating with any how?

>

> It has started. Two weeks ago litature in the mail from two different

entities: AFSCME, Council 31. I have forgoten the other, maybe SEIU.

>

> Second, phone calls from both. Asking for both of my In Home support Workers.

I asked how they got names and info. Reply, The State. Requested Both, take off

list and not to call.

>

> This Monday, Two individuals showed up at my door again, asking for Home base

workers to join the union. I drilled them for info again.

> Suggested an invaision of privacy. They said they got information again from

state. ( I truly question given December 2008, The refusal to turn over a list

to the pests.)

>

> I asked them where is the money going to come from to pay for the unions

overhead, administraition, wages, benefits, perks when the amount that is

allocated to the waiver program is no even enough to support the current needs.

They assured me they were going to work hard to increase the the funds coming

into the waiver program. My comment to them, for those who now me, GOOD LUCK! &

Stop traying to reduce what little resources are availeble to our individuals.

>

> I made a strong request for them, again, to remove my workers for their list

and their bodies from my propery.

>

> Most Import thing I had forgoten*******(I used Today when the second union

rep. came to my door.) Our community has an ordinace that any one coming into

the community to solicit needs to have a permit.

>

> So, when AFSCME Council 31 showed up, I asked them all the info to report to

the police. They do not have a permit of the right to be doing this.

>

> I have shared the with Assocs. Secretary Grace Hou at a meeting yesterday. I

ask her if there was a way to may family information private and unaccessable

the these entities. There were others that were present the resounded that

these occerences are creating serious conseqences for them and their workers.

>

> If these unions are approaching your personal propery the poliece advise you

to stop by, file a report, get a no tresspass sign, a no solisitation sign, call

them. Asking for dues to join the union is soliciting money and forbiden.

check your local ordineces, must residence are unaware of this.

>

[Guest guest]

slightly different direction, same topic bringing in Executive order 09-15.

Taking a little time to read it.

Would love help in digesting it as it appies.

Please, help. Humor always helps.

I could use some.

Especilly with its verbage:

Not able to print a copy of it.

" Whereas it is important to perserve relationship ...control over serveral areas

it is accurate in stating, but

The executive order in reading it and reading the waiver document and knowing

the first hand facts, The E.O. states some inaccuricies:

Specific to the " IN HOME BASE WAIVER " in what it says.

1. " State's ability to ensure effective & efficient delivery of services " OK,

come on community who does this under the home base waiver?

2. and Control the economic terms of compensation (PSW?), who sets 55d, within

the waiber budget (THe monthly allocation)? Service Agreement.

OH, let's just go on to the forth whereas for now and I'll stop for the moment.

This may of maynot apply. But it is not " each " and not " only " and there is no

language in the waiver about control of economic terms. Control is with the

employer and is part of the service agreement for 55D.

So, who are these entities going to negociating with any how?

>

> It has started. Two weeks ago litature in the mail from two different

entities: AFSCME, Council 31. I have forgoten the other, maybe SEIU.

>

> Second, phone calls from both. Asking for both of my In Home support Workers.

I asked how they got names and info. Reply, The State. Requested Both, take off

list and not to call.

>

> This Monday, Two individuals showed up at my door again, asking for Home base

workers to join the union. I drilled them for info again.

> Suggested an invaision of privacy. They said they got information again from

state. ( I truly question given December 2008, The refusal to turn over a list

to the pests.)

>

> I asked them where is the money going to come from to pay for the unions

overhead, administraition, wages, benefits, perks when the amount that is

allocated to the waiver program is no even enough to support the current needs.

They assured me they were going to work hard to increase the the funds coming

into the waiver program. My comment to them, for those who now me, GOOD LUCK! &

Stop traying to reduce what little resources are availeble to our individuals.

>

> I made a strong request for them, again, to remove my workers for their list

and their bodies from my propery.

>

> Most Import thing I had forgoten*******(I used Today when the second union

rep. came to my door.) Our community has an ordinace that any one coming into

the community to solicit needs to have a permit.

>

> So, when AFSCME Council 31 showed up, I asked them all the info to report to

the police. They do not have a permit of the right to be doing this.

>

> I have shared the with Assocs. Secretary Grace Hou at a meeting yesterday. I

ask her if there was a way to may family information private and unaccessable

the these entities. There were others that were present the resounded that

these occerences are creating serious conseqences for them and their workers.

>

> If these unions are approaching your personal propery the poliece advise you

to stop by, file a report, get a no tresspass sign, a no solisitation sign, call

them. Asking for dues to join the union is soliciting money and forbiden.

check your local ordineces, must residence are unaware of this.

>

[Guest guest]

slightly different direction, same topic bringing in Executive order 09-15.

Taking a little time to read it.

Would love help in digesting it as it appies.

Please, help. Humor always helps.

I could use some.

Especilly with its verbage:

Not able to print a copy of it.

" Whereas it is important to perserve relationship ...control over serveral areas

it is accurate in stating, but

The executive order in reading it and reading the waiver document and knowing

the first hand facts, The E.O. states some inaccuricies:

Specific to the " IN HOME BASE WAIVER " in what it says.

1. " State's ability to ensure effective & efficient delivery of services " OK,

come on community who does this under the home base waiver?

2. and Control the economic terms of compensation (PSW?), who sets 55d, within

the waiber budget (THe monthly allocation)? Service Agreement.

OH, let's just go on to the forth whereas for now and I'll stop for the moment.

This may of maynot apply. But it is not " each " and not " only " and there is no

language in the waiver about control of economic terms. Control is with the

employer and is part of the service agreement for 55D.

So, who are these entities going to negociating with any how?

>

> It has started. Two weeks ago litature in the mail from two different

entities: AFSCME, Council 31. I have forgoten the other, maybe SEIU.

>

> Second, phone calls from both. Asking for both of my In Home support Workers.

I asked how they got names and info. Reply, The State. Requested Both, take off

list and not to call.

>

> This Monday, Two individuals showed up at my door again, asking for Home base

workers to join the union. I drilled them for info again.

> Suggested an invaision of privacy. They said they got information again from

state. ( I truly question given December 2008, The refusal to turn over a list

to the pests.)

>

> I asked them where is the money going to come from to pay for the unions

overhead, administraition, wages, benefits, perks when the amount that is

allocated to the waiver program is no even enough to support the current needs.

They assured me they were going to work hard to increase the the funds coming

into the waiver program. My comment to them, for those who now me, GOOD LUCK! &

Stop traying to reduce what little resources are availeble to our individuals.

>

> I made a strong request for them, again, to remove my workers for their list

and their bodies from my propery.

>

> Most Import thing I had forgoten*******(I used Today when the second union

rep. came to my door.) Our community has an ordinace that any one coming into

the community to solicit needs to have a permit.

>

> So, when AFSCME Council 31 showed up, I asked them all the info to report to

the police. They do not have a permit of the right to be doing this.

>

> I have shared the with Assocs. Secretary Grace Hou at a meeting yesterday. I

ask her if there was a way to may family information private and unaccessable

the these entities. There were others that were present the resounded that

these occerences are creating serious conseqences for them and their workers.

>

> If these unions are approaching your personal propery the poliece advise you

to stop by, file a report, get a no tresspass sign, a no solisitation sign, call

them. Asking for dues to join the union is soliciting money and forbiden.

check your local ordineces, must residence are unaware of this.

>

[Guest guest]

slightly different direction, same topic bringing in Executive order 09-15.

Taking a little time to read it.

Would love help in digesting it as it appies.

Please, help. Humor always helps.

I could use some.

Especilly with its verbage:

Not able to print a copy of it.

" Whereas it is important to perserve relationship ...control over serveral areas

it is accurate in stating, but

The executive order in reading it and reading the waiver document and knowing

the first hand facts, The E.O. states some inaccuricies:

Specific to the " IN HOME BASE WAIVER " in what it says.

1. " State's ability to ensure effective & efficient delivery of services " OK,

come on community who does this under the home base waiver?

2. and Control the economic terms of compensation (PSW?), who sets 55d, within

the waiber budget (THe monthly allocation)? Service Agreement.

OH, let's just go on to the forth whereas for now and I'll stop for the moment.

This may of maynot apply. But it is not " each " and not " only " and there is no

language in the waiver about control of economic terms. Control is with the

employer and is part of the service agreement for 55D.

So, who are these entities going to negociating with any how?

>

> It has started. Two weeks ago litature in the mail from two different

entities: AFSCME, Council 31. I have forgoten the other, maybe SEIU.

>

> Second, phone calls from both. Asking for both of my In Home support Workers.

I asked how they got names and info. Reply, The State. Requested Both, take off

list and not to call.

>

> This Monday, Two individuals showed up at my door again, asking for Home base

workers to join the union. I drilled them for info again.

> Suggested an invaision of privacy. They said they got information again from

state. ( I truly question given December 2008, The refusal to turn over a list

to the pests.)

>

> I asked them where is the money going to come from to pay for the unions

overhead, administraition, wages, benefits, perks when the amount that is

allocated to the waiver program is no even enough to support the current needs.

They assured me they were going to work hard to increase the the funds coming

into the waiver program. My comment to them, for those who now me, GOOD LUCK! &

Stop traying to reduce what little resources are availeble to our individuals.

>

> I made a strong request for them, again, to remove my workers for their list

and their bodies from my propery.

>

> Most Import thing I had forgoten*******(I used Today when the second union

rep. came to my door.) Our community has an ordinace that any one coming into

the community to solicit needs to have a permit.

>

> So, when AFSCME Council 31 showed up, I asked them all the info to report to

the police. They do not have a permit of the right to be doing this.

>

> I have shared the with Assocs. Secretary Grace Hou at a meeting yesterday. I

ask her if there was a way to may family information private and unaccessable

the these entities. There were others that were present the resounded that

these occerences are creating serious conseqences for them and their workers.

>

> If these unions are approaching your personal propery the poliece advise you

to stop by, file a report, get a no tresspass sign, a no solisitation sign, call

them. Asking for dues to join the union is soliciting money and forbiden.

check your local ordineces, must residence are unaware of this.

>

[Guest guest]

I guess ignorance isn't always curable...such a shame that we have to explain

ourselves and justify our need for assistance...

I think you are brave, ...you certainly didn't let those " ignorant wenches "

get away with their accusations and insinuations! Good for you!

Funny that even though we are out of school, we can still get suspended!!!

Ellen

Ellen Garber Bronfeld

egskb@...

Concerns with Unions and their efforsts raising a

concern.

IPADDUnite@gro ups.com

Date: Wednesday, August 12, 2009, 3:38 PM

It has started. Two weeks ago litature in the mail from two different

entities: AFSCME, Council 31. I have forgoten the other, maybe SEIU.

Second, phone calls from both. Asking for both of my In Home support Workers.

I asked how they got names and info. Reply, The State. Requested Both, take off

list and not to call.

This Monday, Two individuals showed up at my door again, asking for Home base

workers to join the union. I drilled them for info again.

Suggested an invaision of privacy. They said they got information again from

state. ( I truly question given December 2008, The refusal to turn over a list

to the pests.)

I asked them where is the money going to come from to pay for the unions

overhead, administraition, wages, benefits, perks when the amount that is

allocated to the waiver program is no even enough to support the current needs.

They assured me they were going to work hard to increase the the funds coming

into the waiver program. My comment to them, for those who now me, GOOD LUCK! &

Stop traying to reduce what little resources are availeble to our individuals.

I made a strong request for them, again, to remove my workers for their list

and their bodies from my propery.

Most Import thing I had forgoten**** ***(I used Today when the second union

rep. came to my door.) Our community has an ordinace that any one coming into

the community to solicit needs to have a permit.

So, when AFSCME Council 31 showed up, I asked them all the info to report to

the police. They do not have a permit of the right to be doing this.

I have shared the with Assocs. Secretary Grace Hou at a meeting yesterday. I

ask her if there was a way to may family information private and unaccessable

the these entities. There were others that were present the resounded that these

occerences are creating serious conseqences for them and their workers.

If these unions are approaching your personal propery the poliece advise you

to stop by, file a report, get a no tresspass sign, a no solisitation sign, call

them. Asking for dues to join the union is soliciting money and forbiden. check

your local ordineces, must residence are unaware of this.

[Guest guest]

I guess ignorance isn't always curable...such a shame that we have to explain

ourselves and justify our need for assistance...

I think you are brave, ...you certainly didn't let those " ignorant wenches "

get away with their accusations and insinuations! Good for you!

Funny that even though we are out of school, we can still get suspended!!!

Ellen

Ellen Garber Bronfeld

egskb@...

Concerns with Unions and their efforsts raising a

concern.

IPADDUnite@gro ups.com

Date: Wednesday, August 12, 2009, 3:38 PM

It has started. Two weeks ago litature in the mail from two different

entities: AFSCME, Council 31. I have forgoten the other, maybe SEIU.

Second, phone calls from both. Asking for both of my In Home support Workers.

I asked how they got names and info. Reply, The State. Requested Both, take off

list and not to call.

This Monday, Two individuals showed up at my door again, asking for Home base

workers to join the union. I drilled them for info again.

Suggested an invaision of privacy. They said they got information again from

state. ( I truly question given December 2008, The refusal to turn over a list

to the pests.)

I asked them where is the money going to come from to pay for the unions

overhead, administraition, wages, benefits, perks when the amount that is

allocated to the waiver program is no even enough to support the current needs.

They assured me they were going to work hard to increase the the funds coming

into the waiver program. My comment to them, for those who now me, GOOD LUCK! &

Stop traying to reduce what little resources are availeble to our individuals.

I made a strong request for them, again, to remove my workers for their list

and their bodies from my propery.

Most Import thing I had forgoten**** ***(I used Today when the second union

rep. came to my door.) Our community has an ordinace that any one coming into

the community to solicit needs to have a permit.

So, when AFSCME Council 31 showed up, I asked them all the info to report to

the police. They do not have a permit of the right to be doing this.

I have shared the with Assocs. Secretary Grace Hou at a meeting yesterday. I

ask her if there was a way to may family information private and unaccessable

the these entities. There were others that were present the resounded that these

occerences are creating serious conseqences for them and their workers.

If these unions are approaching your personal propery the poliece advise you

to stop by, file a report, get a no tresspass sign, a no solisitation sign, call

them. Asking for dues to join the union is soliciting money and forbiden. check

your local ordineces, must residence are unaware of this.

[Guest guest]

The general population in this country has no clue what some of us have gone

through in our past or still experience every single day, do they?

H.

Re: Concerns with Unions and their efforsts raising a

concern.

I guess ignorance isn't always curable...such a shame that we have to explain

ourselves and justify our need for assistance...

I think you are brave, ...you certainly didn't let those " ignorant wenches "

get away with their accusations and insinuations! Good for you!

Funny that even though we are out of school, we can still get suspended!!!

Ellen

Ellen Garber Bronfeld

egskb@...

Concerns with Unions and their efforsts raising a

concern.

IPADDUnite@gro ups.com

Date: Wednesday, August 12, 2009, 3:38 PM

It has started. Two weeks ago litature in the mail from two different

entities: AFSCME, Council 31. I have forgoten the other, maybe SEIU.

Second, phone calls from both. Asking for both of my In Home support Workers.

I asked how they got names and info. Reply, The State. Requested Both, take off

list and not to call.

This Monday, Two individuals showed up at my door again, asking for Home base

workers to join the union. I drilled them for info again.

Suggested an invaision of privacy. They said they got information again from

state. ( I truly question given December 2008, The refusal to turn over a list

to the pests.)

I asked them where is the money going to come from to pay for the unions

overhead, administraition, wages, benefits, perks when the amount that is

allocated to the waiver program is no even enough to support the current needs.

They assured me they were going to work hard to increase the the funds coming

into the waiver program. My comment to them, for those who now me, GOOD LUCK! &

Stop traying to reduce what little resources are availeble to our individuals.

I made a strong request for them, again, to remove my workers for their list

and their bodies from my propery.

Most Import thing I had forgoten**** ***(I used Today when the second union

rep. came to my door.) Our community has an ordinace that any one coming into

the community to solicit needs to have a permit.

So, when AFSCME Council 31 showed up, I asked them all the info to report to

the police. They do not have a permit of the right to be doing this.

I have shared the with Assocs. Secretary Grace Hou at a meeting yesterday. I

ask her if there was a way to may family information private and unaccessable

the these entities. There were others that were present the resounded that these

occerences are creating serious conseqences for them and their workers.

If these unions are approaching your personal propery the poliece advise you

to stop by, file a report, get a no tresspass sign, a no solisitation sign, call

them. Asking for dues to join the union is soliciting money and forbiden. check

your local ordineces, must residence are unaware of this.

[Guest guest]

The general population in this country has no clue what some of us have gone

through in our past or still experience every single day, do they?

H.

Re: Concerns with Unions and their efforsts raising a

concern.

I guess ignorance isn't always curable...such a shame that we have to explain

ourselves and justify our need for assistance...

I think you are brave, ...you certainly didn't let those " ignorant wenches "

get away with their accusations and insinuations! Good for you!

Funny that even though we are out of school, we can still get suspended!!!

Ellen

Ellen Garber Bronfeld

egskb@...

Concerns with Unions and their efforsts raising a

concern.

IPADDUnite@gro ups.com

Date: Wednesday, August 12, 2009, 3:38 PM

It has started. Two weeks ago litature in the mail from two different

entities: AFSCME, Council 31. I have forgoten the other, maybe SEIU.

Second, phone calls from both. Asking for both of my In Home support Workers.

I asked how they got names and info. Reply, The State. Requested Both, take off

list and not to call.

This Monday, Two individuals showed up at my door again, asking for Home base

workers to join the union. I drilled them for info again.

Suggested an invaision of privacy. They said they got information again from

state. ( I truly question given December 2008, The refusal to turn over a list

to the pests.)

I asked them where is the money going to come from to pay for the unions

overhead, administraition, wages, benefits, perks when the amount that is

allocated to the waiver program is no even enough to support the current needs.

They assured me they were going to work hard to increase the the funds coming

into the waiver program. My comment to them, for those who now me, GOOD LUCK! &

Stop traying to reduce what little resources are availeble to our individuals.

I made a strong request for them, again, to remove my workers for their list

and their bodies from my propery.

Most Import thing I had forgoten**** ***(I used Today when the second union

rep. came to my door.) Our community has an ordinace that any one coming into

the community to solicit needs to have a permit.

So, when AFSCME Council 31 showed up, I asked them all the info to report to

the police. They do not have a permit of the right to be doing this.

I have shared the with Assocs. Secretary Grace Hou at a meeting yesterday. I

ask her if there was a way to may family information private and unaccessable

the these entities. There were others that were present the resounded that these

occerences are creating serious conseqences for them and their workers.

If these unions are approaching your personal propery the poliece advise you

to stop by, file a report, get a no tresspass sign, a no solisitation sign, call

them. Asking for dues to join the union is soliciting money and forbiden. check

your local ordineces, must residence are unaware of this.

[Guest guest]

Hey! , I would be satisfied if my own family had a clue!!! I love my

sisters dearly and I am very close to them...they still don't really get it...

I guess, in their defense and in defense of the general population, if you don't

live it, you can't get it...

You can explain to someone that you are still helping a 20 plus year old wipe

his butt, blow his nose, wash the shampoo out of his hair, brush his teeth, but

no one wants to internalize it and imagine what it is really like...most would

rather not think too much about it...no one really gets that you can't leave the

house on a moment's notice, that you still need a " baby sitter " , that you get

little time alone, that you have to fight for every service and every dollar and

that your life will NEVER EVER be your own...It is simply unfathomable to those

who don't live it. It is pretty unfathomable for those of us who do...

Ellen

Ellen Garber Bronfeld

egskb@...

Concerns with Unions and their efforsts raising a

concern.

IPADDUnite@gro ups.com

Date: Wednesday, August 12, 2009, 3:38 PM

It has started. Two weeks ago litature in the mail from two different

entities: AFSCME, Council 31. I have forgoten the other, maybe SEIU.

Second, phone calls from both. Asking for both of my In Home support Workers.

I asked how they got names and info. Reply, The State. Requested Both, take

off

list and not to call.

This Monday, Two individuals showed up at my door again, asking for Home base

workers to join the union. I drilled them for info again.

Suggested an invaision of privacy. They said they got information again from

state. ( I truly question given December 2008, The refusal to turn over a list

to the pests.)

I asked them where is the money going to come from to pay for the unions

overhead, administraition, wages, benefits, perks when the amount that is

allocated to the waiver program is no even enough to support the current

needs.

They assured me they were going to work hard to increase the the funds coming

into the waiver program. My comment to them, for those who now me, GOOD LUCK!

&

Stop traying to reduce what little resources are availeble to our individuals.

I made a strong request for them, again, to remove my workers for their list

and their bodies from my propery.

Most Import thing I had forgoten**** ***(I used Today when the second union

rep. came to my door.) Our community has an ordinace that any one coming into

the community to solicit needs to have a permit.

So, when AFSCME Council 31 showed up, I asked them all the info to report to

the police. They do not have a permit of the right to be doing this.

I have shared the with Assocs. Secretary Grace Hou at a meeting yesterday. I

ask her if there was a way to may family information private and unaccessable

the these entities. There were others that were present the resounded that

these

occerences are creating serious conseqences for them and their workers.

If these unions are approaching your personal propery the poliece advise you

to stop by, file a report, get a no tresspass sign, a no solisitation sign,

call

them. Asking for dues to join the union is soliciting money and forbiden.

check

your local ordineces, must residence are unaware of this.

[Guest guest]

Hey! , I would be satisfied if my own family had a clue!!! I love my

sisters dearly and I am very close to them...they still don't really get it...

I guess, in their defense and in defense of the general population, if you don't

live it, you can't get it...

You can explain to someone that you are still helping a 20 plus year old wipe

his butt, blow his nose, wash the shampoo out of his hair, brush his teeth, but

no one wants to internalize it and imagine what it is really like...most would

rather not think too much about it...no one really gets that you can't leave the

house on a moment's notice, that you still need a " baby sitter " , that you get

little time alone, that you have to fight for every service and every dollar and

that your life will NEVER EVER be your own...It is simply unfathomable to those

who don't live it. It is pretty unfathomable for those of us who do...

Ellen

Ellen Garber Bronfeld

egskb@...

Concerns with Unions and their efforsts raising a

concern.

IPADDUnite@gro ups.com

Date: Wednesday, August 12, 2009, 3:38 PM

It has started. Two weeks ago litature in the mail from two different

entities: AFSCME, Council 31. I have forgoten the other, maybe SEIU.

Second, phone calls from both. Asking for both of my In Home support Workers.

I asked how they got names and info. Reply, The State. Requested Both, take

off

list and not to call.

This Monday, Two individuals showed up at my door again, asking for Home base

workers to join the union. I drilled them for info again.

Suggested an invaision of privacy. They said they got information again from

state. ( I truly question given December 2008, The refusal to turn over a list

to the pests.)

I asked them where is the money going to come from to pay for the unions

overhead, administraition, wages, benefits, perks when the amount that is

allocated to the waiver program is no even enough to support the current

needs.

They assured me they were going to work hard to increase the the funds coming

into the waiver program. My comment to them, for those who now me, GOOD LUCK!

&

Stop traying to reduce what little resources are availeble to our individuals.

I made a strong request for them, again, to remove my workers for their list

and their bodies from my propery.

Most Import thing I had forgoten**** ***(I used Today when the second union

rep. came to my door.) Our community has an ordinace that any one coming into

the community to solicit needs to have a permit.

So, when AFSCME Council 31 showed up, I asked them all the info to report to

the police. They do not have a permit of the right to be doing this.

I have shared the with Assocs. Secretary Grace Hou at a meeting yesterday. I

ask her if there was a way to may family information private and unaccessable

the these entities. There were others that were present the resounded that

these

occerences are creating serious conseqences for them and their workers.

If these unions are approaching your personal propery the poliece advise you

to stop by, file a report, get a no tresspass sign, a no solisitation sign,

call

them. Asking for dues to join the union is soliciting money and forbiden.

check

your local ordineces, must residence are unaware of this.

[Guest guest]

Hi Ruth Ann:

I read through it quickly...if I have more time, I will reread and see if there

is something I understand...not likely...it sounds to me like the Governor's

office is trying to apply standards of employment that don't really fit in

regard to PSW's...especially since many of them are parents or family members...

Ellen

Ellen Garber Bronfeld

egskb@...

Re: Concerns with Unions and their efforsts raising a

concern.

slightly different direction, same topic bringing in Executive order 09-15.

Taking a little time to read it.

Would love help in digesting it as it appies.

Please, help. Humor always helps.

I could use some.

Especilly with its verbage:

Not able to print a copy of it.

" Whereas it is important to perserve relationship ...control over serveral

areas it is accurate in stating, but

The executive order in reading it and reading the waiver document and knowing

the first hand facts, The E.O. states some inaccuricies:

Specific to the " IN HOME BASE WAIVER " in what it says.

1. " State's ability to ensure effective & efficient delivery of services " OK,

come on community who does this under the home base waiver?

2. and Control the economic terms of compensation (PSW?), who sets 55d, within

the waiber budget (THe monthly allocation)? Service Agreement.

OH, let's just go on to the forth whereas for now and I'll stop for the

moment.

This may of maynot apply. But it is not " each " and not " only " and there is no

language in the waiver about control of economic terms. Control is with the

employer and is part of the service agreement for 55D.

So, who are these entities going to negociating with any how?

>

> It has started. Two weeks ago litature in the mail from two different

entities: AFSCME, Council 31. I have forgoten the other, maybe SEIU.

>

> Second, phone calls from both. Asking for both of my In Home support

Workers. I asked how they got names and info. Reply, The State. Requested Both,

take off list and not to call.

>

> This Monday, Two individuals showed up at my door again, asking for Home

base workers to join the union. I drilled them for info again.

> Suggested an invaision of privacy. They said they got information again from

state. ( I truly question given December 2008, The refusal to turn over a list

to the pests.)

>

> I asked them where is the money going to come from to pay for the unions

overhead, administraition, wages, benefits, perks when the amount that is

allocated to the waiver program is no even enough to support the current needs.

They assured me they were going to work hard to increase the the funds coming

into the waiver program. My comment to them, for those who now me, GOOD LUCK! &

Stop traying to reduce what little resources are availeble to our individuals.

>

> I made a strong request for them, again, to remove my workers for their list

and their bodies from my propery.

>

> Most Import thing I had forgoten*******(I used Today when the second union

rep. came to my door.) Our community has an ordinace that any one coming into

the community to solicit needs to have a permit.

>

> So, when AFSCME Council 31 showed up, I asked them all the info to report to

the police. They do not have a permit of the right to be doing this.

>

> I have shared the with Assocs. Secretary Grace Hou at a meeting yesterday. I

ask her if there was a way to may family information private and unaccessable

the these entities. There were others that were present the resounded that these

occerences are creating serious conseqences for them and their workers.

>

> If these unions are approaching your personal propery the poliece advise you

to stop by, file a report, get a no tresspass sign, a no solisitation sign, call

them. Asking for dues to join the union is soliciting money and forbiden. check

your local ordineces, must residence are unaware of this.

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Ruth Ann:

I read through it quickly...if I have more time, I will reread and see if there

is something I understand...not likely...it sounds to me like the Governor's

office is trying to apply standards of employment that don't really fit in

regard to PSW's...especially since many of them are parents or family members...

Ellen

Ellen Garber Bronfeld

egskb@...

Re: Concerns with Unions and their efforsts raising a

concern.

slightly different direction, same topic bringing in Executive order 09-15.

Taking a little time to read it.

Would love help in digesting it as it appies.

Please, help. Humor always helps.

I could use some.

Especilly with its verbage:

Not able to print a copy of it.

" Whereas it is important to perserve relationship ...control over serveral

areas it is accurate in stating, but

The executive order in reading it and reading the waiver document and knowing

the first hand facts, The E.O. states some inaccuricies:

Specific to the " IN HOME BASE WAIVER " in what it says.

1. " State's ability to ensure effective & efficient delivery of services " OK,

come on community who does this under the home base waiver?

2. and Control the economic terms of compensation (PSW?), who sets 55d, within

the waiber budget (THe monthly allocation)? Service Agreement.

OH, let's just go on to the forth whereas for now and I'll stop for the

moment.

This may of maynot apply. But it is not " each " and not " only " and there is no

language in the waiver about control of economic terms. Control is with the

employer and is part of the service agreement for 55D.

So, who are these entities going to negociating with any how?

>

> It has started. Two weeks ago litature in the mail from two different

entities: AFSCME, Council 31. I have forgoten the other, maybe SEIU.

>

> Second, phone calls from both. Asking for both of my In Home support

Workers. I asked how they got names and info. Reply, The State. Requested Both,

take off list and not to call.

>

> This Monday, Two individuals showed up at my door again, asking for Home

base workers to join the union. I drilled them for info again.

> Suggested an invaision of privacy. They said they got information again from

state. ( I truly question given December 2008, The refusal to turn over a list

to the pests.)

>

> I asked them where is the money going to come from to pay for the unions

overhead, administraition, wages, benefits, perks when the amount that is

allocated to the waiver program is no even enough to support the current needs.

They assured me they were going to work hard to increase the the funds coming

into the waiver program. My comment to them, for those who now me, GOOD LUCK! &

Stop traying to reduce what little resources are availeble to our individuals.

>

> I made a strong request for them, again, to remove my workers for their list

and their bodies from my propery.

>

> Most Import thing I had forgoten*******(I used Today when the second union

rep. came to my door.) Our community has an ordinace that any one coming into

the community to solicit needs to have a permit.

>

> So, when AFSCME Council 31 showed up, I asked them all the info to report to

the police. They do not have a permit of the right to be doing this.

>

> I have shared the with Assocs. Secretary Grace Hou at a meeting yesterday. I

ask her if there was a way to may family information private and unaccessable

the these entities. There were others that were present the resounded that these

occerences are creating serious conseqences for them and their workers.

>

> If these unions are approaching your personal propery the poliece advise you

to stop by, file a report, get a no tresspass sign, a no solisitation sign, call

them. Asking for dues to join the union is soliciting money and forbiden. check

your local ordineces, must residence are unaware of this.

>

[Guest guest]

Ellen, you just about described Angel.  Yes, families are clueless.  I am much

more vocal now when the family places a demand on me that conflicts with Angel's

needs (like telling me what holidays would be ideal for me to have).

From: rams110300 <rams110300@ . com>

Subject: Concerns with Unions and their efforsts raising a

concern.

IPADDUnite@gro ups.com

Date: Wednesday, August 12, 2009, 3:38 PM

It has started. Two weeks ago litature in the mail from two different

entities: AFSCME, Council 31. I have forgoten the other, maybe SEIU.

Second, phone calls from both. Asking for both of my In Home support Workers.

I asked how they got names and info. Reply, The State. Requested Both, take

off

list and not to call.

This Monday, Two individuals showed up at my door again, asking for Home base

workers to join the union. I drilled them for info again.

Suggested an invaision of privacy. They said they got information again from

state. ( I truly question given December 2008, The refusal to turn over a list

to the pests.)

I asked them where is the money going to come from to pay for the unions

overhead, administraition, wages, benefits, perks when the amount that is

allocated to the waiver program is no even enough to support the current

needs.

They assured me they were going to work hard to increase the the funds coming

into the waiver program. My comment to them, for those who now me, GOOD LUCK!

&

Stop traying to reduce what little resources are availeble to our individuals.

I made a strong request for them, again, to remove my workers for their list

and their bodies from my propery.

Most Import thing I had forgoten**** ***(I used Today when the second union

rep. came to my door.) Our community has an ordinace that any one coming into

the community to solicit needs to have a permit.

So, when AFSCME Council 31 showed up, I asked them all the info to report to

the police. They do not have a permit of the right to be doing this.

I have shared the with Assocs. Secretary Grace Hou at a meeting yesterday. I

ask her if there was a way to may family information private and unaccessable

the these entities. There were others that were present the resounded that

these

occerences are creating serious conseqences for them and their workers..

If these unions are approaching your personal propery the poliece advise you

to stop by, file a report, get a no tresspass sign, a no solisitation sign,

call

them. Asking for dues to join the union is soliciting money and forbiden.

check

your local ordineces, must residence are unaware of this.

[Guest guest]

Ellen, you just about described Angel.  Yes, families are clueless.  I am much

more vocal now when the family places a demand on me that conflicts with Angel's

needs (like telling me what holidays would be ideal for me to have).

From: rams110300 <rams110300@ . com>

Subject: Concerns with Unions and their efforsts raising a

concern.

IPADDUnite@gro ups.com

Date: Wednesday, August 12, 2009, 3:38 PM

It has started. Two weeks ago litature in the mail from two different

entities: AFSCME, Council 31. I have forgoten the other, maybe SEIU.

Second, phone calls from both. Asking for both of my In Home support Workers.

I asked how they got names and info. Reply, The State. Requested Both, take

off

list and not to call.

This Monday, Two individuals showed up at my door again, asking for Home base

workers to join the union. I drilled them for info again.

Suggested an invaision of privacy. They said they got information again from

state. ( I truly question given December 2008, The refusal to turn over a list

to the pests.)

I asked them where is the money going to come from to pay for the unions

overhead, administraition, wages, benefits, perks when the amount that is

allocated to the waiver program is no even enough to support the current

needs.

They assured me they were going to work hard to increase the the funds coming

into the waiver program. My comment to them, for those who now me, GOOD LUCK!

&

Stop traying to reduce what little resources are availeble to our individuals.

I made a strong request for them, again, to remove my workers for their list

and their bodies from my propery.

Most Import thing I had forgoten**** ***(I used Today when the second union

rep. came to my door.) Our community has an ordinace that any one coming into

the community to solicit needs to have a permit.

So, when AFSCME Council 31 showed up, I asked them all the info to report to

the police. They do not have a permit of the right to be doing this.

I have shared the with Assocs. Secretary Grace Hou at a meeting yesterday. I

ask her if there was a way to may family information private and unaccessable

the these entities. There were others that were present the resounded that

these

occerences are creating serious conseqences for them and their workers..

If these unions are approaching your personal propery the poliece advise you

to stop by, file a report, get a no tresspass sign, a no solisitation sign,

call

them. Asking for dues to join the union is soliciting money and forbiden.

check

your local ordineces, must residence are unaware of this.

[Guest guest]

Anyone else want to share " family stories " ...maybe it would be good to vent a

little about something other than politics and funding for a change.

Maybe there are some good strategies for how to address these issues when they

come up???

Ellen

Ellen Garber Bronfeld

egskb@...

Concerns with Unions and their efforsts raising a

concern.

IPADDUnite@gro ups.com

Date: Wednesday, August 12, 2009, 3:38 PM

It has started. Two weeks ago litature in the mail from two different

entities: AFSCME, Council 31. I have forgoten the other, maybe SEIU.

Second, phone calls from both. Asking for both of my In Home support Workers.

I asked how they got names and info. Reply, The State. Requested Both, take

off

list and not to call.

This Monday, Two individuals showed up at my door again, asking for Home base

workers to join the union. I drilled them for info again.

Suggested an invaision of privacy. They said they got information again from

state. ( I truly question given December 2008, The refusal to turn over a list

to the pests.)

I asked them where is the money going to come from to pay for the unions

overhead, administraition, wages, benefits, perks when the amount that is

allocated to the waiver program is no even enough to support the current

needs.

They assured me they were going to work hard to increase the the funds coming

into the waiver program. My comment to them, for those who now me, GOOD LUCK!

&

Stop traying to reduce what little resources are availeble to our individuals.

I made a strong request for them, again, to remove my workers for their list

and their bodies from my propery.

Most Import thing I had forgoten**** ***(I used Today when the second union

rep. came to my door.) Our community has an ordinace that any one coming into

the community to solicit needs to have a permit.

So, when AFSCME Council 31 showed up, I asked them all the info to report to

the police. They do not have a permit of the right to be doing this.

I have shared the with Assocs. Secretary Grace Hou at a meeting yesterday. I

ask her if there was a way to may family information private and unaccessable

the these entities. There were others that were present the resounded that

these

occerences are creating serious conseqences for them and their workers..

If these unions are approaching your personal propery the poliece advise you

to stop by, file a report, get a no tresspass sign, a no solisitation sign,

call

them. Asking for dues to join the union is soliciting money and forbiden.

check

your local ordineces, must residence are unaware of this.

[Guest guest]

Anyone else want to share " family stories " ...maybe it would be good to vent a

little about something other than politics and funding for a change.

Maybe there are some good strategies for how to address these issues when they

come up???

Ellen

Ellen Garber Bronfeld

egskb@...

Concerns with Unions and their efforsts raising a

concern.

IPADDUnite@gro ups.com

Date: Wednesday, August 12, 2009, 3:38 PM

It has started. Two weeks ago litature in the mail from two different

entities: AFSCME, Council 31. I have forgoten the other, maybe SEIU.

Second, phone calls from both. Asking for both of my In Home support Workers.

I asked how they got names and info. Reply, The State. Requested Both, take

off

list and not to call.

This Monday, Two individuals showed up at my door again, asking for Home base

workers to join the union. I drilled them for info again.

Suggested an invaision of privacy. They said they got information again from

state. ( I truly question given December 2008, The refusal to turn over a list

to the pests.)

I asked them where is the money going to come from to pay for the unions

overhead, administraition, wages, benefits, perks when the amount that is

allocated to the waiver program is no even enough to support the current

needs.

They assured me they were going to work hard to increase the the funds coming

into the waiver program. My comment to them, for those who now me, GOOD LUCK!

&

Stop traying to reduce what little resources are availeble to our individuals.

I made a strong request for them, again, to remove my workers for their list

and their bodies from my propery.

Most Import thing I had forgoten**** ***(I used Today when the second union

rep. came to my door.) Our community has an ordinace that any one coming into

the community to solicit needs to have a permit.

So, when AFSCME Council 31 showed up, I asked them all the info to report to

the police. They do not have a permit of the right to be doing this.

I have shared the with Assocs. Secretary Grace Hou at a meeting yesterday. I

ask her if there was a way to may family information private and unaccessable

the these entities. There were others that were present the resounded that

these

occerences are creating serious conseqences for them and their workers..

If these unions are approaching your personal propery the poliece advise you

to stop by, file a report, get a no tresspass sign, a no solisitation sign,

call

them. Asking for dues to join the union is soliciting money and forbiden.

check

your local ordineces, must residence are unaware of this.

[Guest guest]

Oh Ellen yes, it is unfathomable.? You are such a great mom, I don't have nearly

the amount of daily care with , in fact I really have none anymore other

than the subtle reminder that he should think about shaving more than once a

week (he's blonde and turned 17 in April so it's pretty light) and making sure

that Dorito's are not dinner.

I hope you have a great weekend, do you like the heat we're having, I do, I feel

like summer has finally arrived!

H.

Re: Concerns with Unions and their efforsts raising a

concern.

Hey! , I would be satisfied if my own family had a clue!!! I love my

sisters dearly and I am very close to them...they still don't really get it...

I guess, in their defense and in defense of the general population, if you don't

live it, you can't get it...

You can explain to someone that you are still helping a 20 plus year old wipe

his butt, blow his nose, wash the shampoo out of his hair, brush his teeth, but

no one wants to internalize it and imagine what it is really like...most would

rather not think too much about it...no one really gets that you can't leave the

house on a moment's notice, that you still need a " baby sitter " , that you get

little time alone, that you have to fight for every service and every dollar and

that your life will NEVER EVER be your own...It is simply unfathomable to those

who don't live it. It is pretty unfathomable for those of us who do...

Ellen

Ellen Garber Bronfeld

egskb@...

Concerns with Unions and their efforsts raising a

concern.

IPADDUnite@gro ups.com

Date: Wednesday, August 12, 2009, 3:38 PM

It has started. Two weeks ago litature in the mail from two different

entities: AFSCME, Council 31. I have forgoten the other, maybe SEIU.

Second, phone calls from both. Asking for both of my In Home support Workers.

I asked how they got names and info. Reply, The State. Requested Both, take

off

list and not to call.

This Monday, Two individuals showed up at my door again, asking for Home base

workers to join the union. I drilled them for info again.

Suggested an invaision of privacy. They said they got information again from

state. ( I truly question given December 2008, The refusal to turn over a list

to the pests.)

I asked them where is the money going to come from to pay for the unions

overhead, administraition, wages, benefits, perks when the amount that is

allo

cated to the waiver program is no even enough to support the current

needs.

They assured me they were going to work hard to increase the the funds coming

into the waiver program. My comment to them, for those who now me, GOOD LUCK!

&

Stop traying to reduce what little resources are availeble to our individuals.

I made a strong request for them, again, to remove my workers for their list

and their bodies from my propery.

Most Import thing I had forgoten**** ***(I used Today when the second union

rep. came to my door.) Our community has an ordinace that any one coming into

the community to solicit needs to have a permit.

So, when AFSCME Council 31 showed up, I asked them all the info to report to

the police. They do not have a permit of the right to be doing this.

I have shared the with Assocs. Secretary Grace Hou at a meeting yesterday. I

ask her if there was a way to may family information private and unaccessable

the these entities. There were others that were present the resounded that

these

occerences are creating serious conseqences for them and their workers.

If these unions are approaching your personal propery the poliece advise you

to stop by, file a report, get a no tresspass sign, a no solisitation sign,

call

them. Asking for dues to join the union is soliciting money and forbiden.

check

your local ordineces, must residence are unaware of this.

[Guest guest]

Oh Ellen yes, it is unfathomable.? You are such a great mom, I don't have nearly

the amount of daily care with , in fact I really have none anymore other

than the subtle reminder that he should think about shaving more than once a

week (he's blonde and turned 17 in April so it's pretty light) and making sure

that Dorito's are not dinner.

I hope you have a great weekend, do you like the heat we're having, I do, I feel

like summer has finally arrived!

H.

Re: Concerns with Unions and their efforsts raising a

concern.

Hey! , I would be satisfied if my own family had a clue!!! I love my

sisters dearly and I am very close to them...they still don't really get it...

I guess, in their defense and in defense of the general population, if you don't

live it, you can't get it...

You can explain to someone that you are still helping a 20 plus year old wipe

his butt, blow his nose, wash the shampoo out of his hair, brush his teeth, but

no one wants to internalize it and imagine what it is really like...most would

rather not think too much about it...no one really gets that you can't leave the

house on a moment's notice, that you still need a " baby sitter " , that you get

little time alone, that you have to fight for every service and every dollar and

that your life will NEVER EVER be your own...It is simply unfathomable to those

who don't live it. It is pretty unfathomable for those of us who do...

Ellen

Ellen Garber Bronfeld

egskb@...

Concerns with Unions and their efforsts raising a

concern.

IPADDUnite@gro ups.com

Date: Wednesday, August 12, 2009, 3:38 PM

It has started. Two weeks ago litature in the mail from two different

entities: AFSCME, Council 31. I have forgoten the other, maybe SEIU.

Second, phone calls from both. Asking for both of my In Home support Workers.

I asked how they got names and info. Reply, The State. Requested Both, take

off

list and not to call.

This Monday, Two individuals showed up at my door again, asking for Home base

workers to join the union. I drilled them for info again.

Suggested an invaision of privacy. They said they got information again from

state. ( I truly question given December 2008, The refusal to turn over a list

to the pests.)

I asked them where is the money going to come from to pay for the unions

overhead, administraition, wages, benefits, perks when the amount that is

allo

cated to the waiver program is no even enough to support the current

needs.

They assured me they were going to work hard to increase the the funds coming

into the waiver program. My comment to them, for those who now me, GOOD LUCK!

&

Stop traying to reduce what little resources are availeble to our individuals.

I made a strong request for them, again, to remove my workers for their list

and their bodies from my propery.

Most Import thing I had forgoten**** ***(I used Today when the second union

rep. came to my door.) Our community has an ordinace that any one coming into

the community to solicit needs to have a permit.

So, when AFSCME Council 31 showed up, I asked them all the info to report to

the police. They do not have a permit of the right to be doing this.

I have shared the with Assocs. Secretary Grace Hou at a meeting yesterday. I

ask her if there was a way to may family information private and unaccessable

the these entities. There were others that were present the resounded that

these

occerences are creating serious conseqences for them and their workers.

If these unions are approaching your personal propery the poliece advise you

to stop by, file a report, get a no tresspass sign, a no solisitation sign,

call

them. Asking for dues to join the union is soliciting money and forbiden.

check

your local ordineces, must residence are unaware of this.

[Guest guest]

You too , another great mom! Is Angel your only child?

H.

Concerns with Unions and their efforsts raising a

concern.

IPADDUnite@gro ups.com

Date: Wednesday, August 12, 2009, 3:38 PM

It has started. Two weeks ago litature in the mail from two different

entities: AFSCME, Council 31. I have forgoten the other, maybe SEIU.

Second, phone calls from both. Asking for both of my In Home support Worke

rs.

I asked how they got names and info. Reply, The State. Requested Both, take

off

list and not to call.

This Monday, Two individuals showed up at my door again, asking for Home base

workers to join the union. I drilled them for info again.

Suggested an invaision of privacy. They said they got information again from

state. ( I truly question given December 2008, The refusal to turn over a list

to the pests.)

I asked them where is the money going to come from to pay for the unions

overhead, administraition, wages, benefits, perks when the amount that is

allocated to the waiver program is no even enough to support the current

needs.

They assured me they were going to work hard to increase the the funds coming

into the waiver program. My comment to them, for those who now me, GOOD LUCK!

&

Stop traying to reduce what little resources are availeble to our individuals.

I made a strong request for them, again, to remove my workers for their list

and their bodies from my propery.

Most Import thing I had forgoten**** ***(I used Today when the second union

rep. came to my door.) Our community has an ordinace that any one coming into

the community to solicit needs to have a permit.

So, when AFSCME Council 31 showed up, I asked them all the info to report to

the police. They do not have a permit of the right to be doing this.

I have shared the with Assocs. Secretary Grace Hou at a meeting yesterday. I

ask her if there was a way to may family information private and unaccessable

the these entities. There were others that were present the resounded that

these

occerences are creating serious conseqences for them and their workers..

If these unions are approaching your personal propery the poliece advise you

to stop by, file a report, get a no tresspass sign, a no solisitation sign,

call

them. Asking for dues to join the union is soliciting money and forbiden.

check

your local ordineces, must residence are unaware

of this.

[Guest guest]

You too , another great mom! Is Angel your only child?

H.

Concerns with Unions and their efforsts raising a

concern.

IPADDUnite@gro ups.com

Date: Wednesday, August 12, 2009, 3:38 PM

It has started. Two weeks ago litature in the mail from two different

entities: AFSCME, Council 31. I have forgoten the other, maybe SEIU.

Second, phone calls from both. Asking for both of my In Home support Worke

rs.

I asked how they got names and info. Reply, The State. Requested Both, take

off

list and not to call.

This Monday, Two individuals showed up at my door again, asking for Home base

workers to join the union. I drilled them for info again.

Suggested an invaision of privacy. They said they got information again from

state. ( I truly question given December 2008, The refusal to turn over a list

to the pests.)

I asked them where is the money going to come from to pay for the unions

overhead, administraition, wages, benefits, perks when the amount that is

allocated to the waiver program is no even enough to support the current

needs.

They assured me they were going to work hard to increase the the funds coming

into the waiver program. My comment to them, for those who now me, GOOD LUCK!

&

Stop traying to reduce what little resources are availeble to our individuals.

I made a strong request for them, again, to remove my workers for their list

and their bodies from my propery.

Most Import thing I had forgoten**** ***(I used Today when the second union

rep. came to my door.) Our community has an ordinace that any one coming into

the community to solicit needs to have a permit.

So, when AFSCME Council 31 showed up, I asked them all the info to report to

the police. They do not have a permit of the right to be doing this.

I have shared the with Assocs. Secretary Grace Hou at a meeting yesterday. I

ask her if there was a way to may family information private and unaccessable

the these entities. There were others that were present the resounded that

these

occerences are creating serious conseqences for them and their workers..

If these unions are approaching your personal propery the poliece advise you

to stop by, file a report, get a no tresspass sign, a no solisitation sign,

call

them. Asking for dues to join the union is soliciting money and forbiden.

check

your local ordineces, must residence are unaware

of this.

[Guest guest]

You got that right.  NOBODY knows it if they do not live it

Shirley

From: rams110300 <rams110300@ . com>

Subject: Concerns with Unions and their efforsts raising a

concern.

IPADDUnite@gro ups.com

Date: Wednesday, August 12, 2009, 3:38 PM

It has started. Two weeks ago litature in the mail from two different

entities: AFSCME, Council 31. I have forgoten the other, maybe SEIU.

Second, phone calls from both. Asking for both of my In Home support Workers.

I asked how they got names and info. Reply, The State. Requested Both, take

off

list and not to call.

This Monday, Two individuals showed up at my door again, asking for Home base

workers to join the union. I drilled them for info again.

Suggested an invaision of privacy. They said they got information again from

state. ( I truly question given December 2008, The refusal to turn over a list

to the pests.)

I asked them where is the money going to come from to pay for the unions

overhead, administraition, wages, benefits, perks when the amount that is

allo

cated to the waiver program is no even enough to support the current

needs.

They assured me they were going to work hard to increase the the funds coming

into the waiver program. My comment to them, for those who now me, GOOD LUCK!

&

Stop traying to reduce what little resources are availeble to our individuals.

I made a strong request for them, again, to remove my workers for their list

and their bodies from my propery.

Most Import thing I had forgoten**** ***(I used Today when the second union

rep. came to my door.) Our community has an ordinace that any one coming into

the community to solicit needs to have a permit.

So, when AFSCME Council 31 showed up, I asked them all the info to report to

the police. They do not have a permit of the right to be doing this.

I have shared the with Assocs. Secretary Grace Hou at a meeting yesterday. I

ask her if there was a way to may family information private and unaccessable

the these entities. There were others that were present the resounded that

these

occerences are creating serious conseqences for them and their workers.

If these unions are approaching your personal propery the poliece advise you

to stop by, file a report, get a no tresspass sign, a no solisitation sign,

call

them. Asking for dues to join the union is soliciting money and forbiden.

check

your local ordineces, must residence are unaware of this.

[Guest guest]

You got that right.  NOBODY knows it if they do not live it

Shirley

From: rams110300 <rams110300@ . com>

Subject: Concerns with Unions and their efforsts raising a

concern.

IPADDUnite@gro ups.com

Date: Wednesday, August 12, 2009, 3:38 PM

It has started. Two weeks ago litature in the mail from two different

entities: AFSCME, Council 31. I have forgoten the other, maybe SEIU.

Second, phone calls from both. Asking for both of my In Home support Workers.

I asked how they got names and info. Reply, The State. Requested Both, take

off

list and not to call.

This Monday, Two individuals showed up at my door again, asking for Home base

workers to join the union. I drilled them for info again.

Suggested an invaision of privacy. They said they got information again from

state. ( I truly question given December 2008, The refusal to turn over a list

to the pests.)

I asked them where is the money going to come from to pay for the unions

overhead, administraition, wages, benefits, perks when the amount that is

allo

cated to the waiver program is no even enough to support the current

needs.

They assured me they were going to work hard to increase the the funds coming

into the waiver program. My comment to them, for those who now me, GOOD LUCK!

&

Stop traying to reduce what little resources are availeble to our individuals.

I made a strong request for them, again, to remove my workers for their list

and their bodies from my propery.

Most Import thing I had forgoten**** ***(I used Today when the second union

rep. came to my door.) Our community has an ordinace that any one coming into

the community to solicit needs to have a permit.

So, when AFSCME Council 31 showed up, I asked them all the info to report to

the police. They do not have a permit of the right to be doing this.

I have shared the with Assocs. Secretary Grace Hou at a meeting yesterday. I

ask her if there was a way to may family information private and unaccessable

the these entities. There were others that were present the resounded that

these

occerences are creating serious conseqences for them and their workers.

If these unions are approaching your personal propery the poliece advise you

to stop by, file a report, get a no tresspass sign, a no solisitation sign,

call

them. Asking for dues to join the union is soliciting money and forbiden.

check

your local ordineces, must residence are unaware of this.

[Guest guest]

Thanks for your kind words and support, .

I do love the warm, sunny weather. I am enjoying it thoroughly and as much as I

can!

Ellen

Ellen Garber Bronfeld

egskb@...

Concerns with Unions and their efforsts raising a

concern.

IPADDUnite@gro ups.com

Date: Wednesday, August 12, 2009, 3:38 PM

It has started. Two weeks ago litature in the mail from two different

entities: AFSCME, Council 31. I have forgoten the other, maybe SEIU.

Second, phone calls from both. Asking for both of my In Home support Workers.

I asked how they got names and info. Reply, The State. Requested Both, take

off

list and not to call.

This Monday, Two individuals showed up at my door again, asking for Home base

workers to join the union. I drilled them for info again.

Suggested an invaision of privacy. They said they got information again from

state. ( I truly question given December 2008, The refusal to turn over a list

to the pests.)

I asked them where is the money going to come from to pay for the unions

overhead, administraition, wages, benefits, perks when the amount that is

allo

cated to the waiver program is no even enough to support the current

needs.

They assured me they were going to work hard to increase the the funds coming

into the waiver program. My comment to them, for those who now me, GOOD LUCK!

&

Stop traying to reduce what little resources are availeble to our individuals.

I made a strong request for them, again, to remove my workers for their list

and their bodies from my propery.

Most Import thing I had forgoten**** ***(I used Today when the second union

rep. came to my door.) Our community has an ordinace that any one coming into

the community to solicit needs to have a permit.

So, when AFSCME Council 31 showed up, I asked them all the info to report to

the police. They do not have a permit of the right to be doing this.

I have shared the with Assocs. Secretary Grace Hou at a meeting yesterday. I

ask her if there was a way to may family information private and unaccessable

the these entities. There were others that were present the resounded that

these

occerences are creating serious conseqences for them and their workers.

If these unions are approaching your personal propery the poliece advise you

to stop by, file a report, get a no tresspass sign, a no solisitation sign,

call

them. Asking for dues to join the union is soliciting money and forbiden.

check

your local ordineces, must residence are unaware of this.

[Guest guest]

Thanks for your kind words and support, .

I do love the warm, sunny weather. I am enjoying it thoroughly and as much as I

can!

Ellen

Ellen Garber Bronfeld

egskb@...

Concerns with Unions and their efforsts raising a

concern.

IPADDUnite@gro ups.com

Date: Wednesday, August 12, 2009, 3:38 PM

It has started. Two weeks ago litature in the mail from two different

entities: AFSCME, Council 31. I have forgoten the other, maybe SEIU.

Second, phone calls from both. Asking for both of my In Home support Workers.

I asked how they got names and info. Reply, The State. Requested Both, take

off

list and not to call.

This Monday, Two individuals showed up at my door again, asking for Home base

workers to join the union. I drilled them for info again.

Suggested an invaision of privacy. They said they got information again from

state. ( I truly question given December 2008, The refusal to turn over a list

to the pests.)

I asked them where is the money going to come from to pay for the unions

overhead, administraition, wages, benefits, perks when the amount that is

allo

cated to the waiver program is no even enough to support the current

needs.

They assured me they were going to work hard to increase the the funds coming

into the waiver program. My comment to them, for those who now me, GOOD LUCK!

&

Stop traying to reduce what little resources are availeble to our individuals.

I made a strong request for them, again, to remove my workers for their list

and their bodies from my propery.

Most Import thing I had forgoten**** ***(I used Today when the second union

rep. came to my door.) Our community has an ordinace that any one coming into

the community to solicit needs to have a permit.

So, when AFSCME Council 31 showed up, I asked them all the info to report to

the police. They do not have a permit of the right to be doing this.

I have shared the with Assocs. Secretary Grace Hou at a meeting yesterday. I

ask her if there was a way to may family information private and unaccessable

the these entities. There were others that were present the resounded that

these

occerences are creating serious conseqences for them and their workers.

If these unions are approaching your personal propery the poliece advise you

to stop by, file a report, get a no tresspass sign, a no solisitation sign,

call

them. Asking for dues to join the union is soliciting money and forbiden.

check

your local ordineces, must residence are unaware of this.