Guest guest Posted August 3, 2000 Report Share Posted August 3, 2000 << 3 patients so far. Found very elevated levels of hexane in 2, some organophosphorus compound in 1, and something else I forgot in 1. Get this - the 3 panels (1, 4A, and 6) total cost about $750. Pretty pricey. Amy >> Do you test when they don't show evidence of elemental intoxication but you think they are toxic instead of having some (legitimate) genetic syndrome? Or when is it that you order this testing? When should people consider it? Andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2000 Report Share Posted August 3, 2000 3 patients so far. Found very elevated levels of hexane in 2, some organophosphorus compound in 1, and something else I forgot in 1. Get this - the 3 panels (1, 4A, and 6) total cost about $750. Pretty pricey. Amy ------------------ Reply Separator -------------------- Originally From: D Bogert <howard78@...> Subject: [ ] non-metals toxicity? Date: 08/02/2000 11:51pm Amy, You mentioned awhile back that you were sending some samples out on a handful of your patients for assessment for non-metal toxins. What did you find? Thanks again! Chris ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. --------------------------------------------------------------------<e |- Get a NextCard Visa, in 30 seconds! 1. Fill in the brief application 2. Receive approval decision within 30 seconds 3. Get rates as low as 2.9% Intro or 9.9% Fixed APR 1/6631/9/_/705339/_/965287320/ --------------------------------------------------------------------|e >- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2000 Report Share Posted August 4, 2000 Wondering about this tooo? Wondering if there ain't something else stirring the pot? Kathy [ ] non-metals toxicity? >Date: 08/02/2000 11:51pm > > >Amy, >You mentioned awhile back that you were sending some samples out on a >handful of your patients for assessment for non-metal toxins. > >What did you find? > >Thanks again! >Chris >________________________________________________________________ >YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! >Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! >Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: >http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > >--------------------------------------------------------------------<e >|- >Get a NextCard Visa, in 30 seconds! >1. Fill in the brief application >2. Receive approval decision within 30 seconds >3. Get rates as low as 2.9% Intro or 9.9% Fixed APR >1/6631/9/_/705339/_/965287320/ >--------------------------------------------------------------------|e >>- > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2000 Report Share Posted August 4, 2000 << One reasonably good screening test for non-metal toxin exposure is D-glucaric acid (DDI). It certainly costs a lot less than the 3 Accu-Chem panels, but it is not as sensitive for picking up toxicity. >> Is mercapturic acid also helpful? I know DDI does some of these tests but I am not sure exactly which ones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2000 Report Share Posted August 4, 2000 << I think Edelson may be right about the sauna for these non-metal toxins. This whole area of the sauna makes me very uncomfortable because it sounds really wacko, and I have already drifted so far from traditional allopathic medicine that I am a little uneasy anyway - personal problem - I will get over it. >> It might make you a bit more comfortable to know that sweat has been demonstrated to be the major elimination pathway for nickel, and as discussed on the list can be significant for mercury. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2000 Report Share Posted August 4, 2000 Andy, I don't know exactly where this whole area fits in. It is very possible that mercury and other heavy metals so damage the liver phase 2 detox pathways, that this allows these other, non-metal toxins to accumulate. Perhaps getting rid of the heavy metals will allow better functioning of these elimination routes and the non-metal toxins will be excreted at a higher rate. I think this is the area where Edelson really relies on the sauna. I have no answer to your questions yet. I really don't know where this whole subject fits into the big picture. One reasonably good screening test for non-metal toxin exposure is D-glucaric acid (DDI). It certainly costs a lot less than the 3 Accu-Chem panels, but it is not as sensitive for picking up toxicity. I think Edelson may be right about the sauna for these non-metal toxins. This whole area of the sauna makes me very uncomfortable because it sounds really wacko, and I have already drifted so far from traditional allopathic medicine that I am a little uneasy anyway - personal problem - I will get over it. Amy ------------------ Reply Separator -------------------- Originally From: AndyCutler@... Subject: Re: [ ] non-metals toxicity? Date: 08/03/2000 06:49pm << 3 patients so far. Found very elevated levels of hexane in 2, some organophosphorus compound in 1, and something else I forgot in 1. Get this - the 3 panels (1, 4A, and 6) total cost about $750. Pretty pricey. Amy >> Do you test when they don't show evidence of elemental intoxication but you think they are toxic instead of having some (legitimate) genetic syndrome? Or when is it that you order this testing? When should people consider it? Andy --------------------------------------------------------------------<e |- Get a NextCard Visa, in 30 seconds! 1. Fill in the brief application 2. Receive approval decision within 30 seconds 3. Get rates as low as 2.9% Intro or 9.9% Fixed APR 1/6631/9/_/705339/_/965342949/ --------------------------------------------------------------------|e >- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2000 Report Share Posted August 4, 2000 It is also helpful. Doctor's Data does both. Amy ------------------ Reply Separator -------------------- Originally From: AndyCutler@... Subject: Re: [ ] non-metals toxicity? Date: 08/04/2000 12:23pm << One reasonably good screening test for non-metal toxin exposure is D-glucaric acid (DDI). It certainly costs a lot less than the 3 Accu-Chem panels, but it is not as sensitive for picking up toxicity. >> Is mercapturic acid also helpful? I know DDI does some of these tests but I am not sure exactly which ones. --------------------------------------------------------------------<e |- Get a NextCard Visa, in 30 seconds! 1. Fill in the brief application 2. Receive approval decision within 30 seconds 3. Get rates as low as 2.9% Intro or 9.9% Ongoing APR and no annual fee! 1/7873/9/_/705339/_/965406206/ --------------------------------------------------------------------|e >- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2000 Report Share Posted August 8, 2000 In a message dated 8/3/00 5:36:49 PM Central Daylight Time, aholmesmd@... writes: << 3 patients so far. Found very elevated levels of hexane in 2, some organophosphorus compound in 1, and something else I forgot in 1. Get this - the 3 panels (1, 4A, and 6) total cost about $750. Pretty pricey. >> Is there anything you do to treat this besides sauna? I'm wondering if we should test for this since we lived on the golf course but if our treatment wouldn't change, I'd rather spend the money on other stuff to help. Gaylen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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