RE: NEED ADVICE - Tumor continues to grow

[Guest guest]

Hi,

When you mentioned 18 pills a day I began to wonder if he is taking Flaxseed Oil

capsules.

If so, this could be important. I do not believe the capsules can be effective

against cancer. They would simply be not enough.

Cliff

My father takes daily:

-Flaxseed oil + cottage cheese

-Ellagic acid and graviola ( " Ellagic Acid Insurance Formula " )

- 18

pills a day!

[Guest guest]

Hi,

When you mentioned 18 pills a day I began to wonder if he is taking Flaxseed Oil

capsules.

If so, this could be important. I do not believe the capsules can be effective

against cancer. They would simply be not enough.

Cliff

My father takes daily:

-Flaxseed oil + cottage cheese

-Ellagic acid and graviola ( " Ellagic Acid Insurance Formula " )

- 18

pills a day!

[Guest guest]

Hello,

I don't know what the rest of your fathers diet is like but from what I have

read foods that you don't eat are as important as the foods you do it. There

are certain foods you shouldn't eat and some of these can be found at

www.cancertutor.com and then go to the " Ten Commandments of an Alternative

Cancer Treatment Program " section. Also have a look at

http://home.online.no/~dusan/diseases/cancer/cancer_dr_budwig.html for more

information.

Terry

NEED ADVICE – Tumor continues to grow

Hi,

My father was diagnosed 4 months ago with " terminal " bile

duct

cancer (cholangiocarcinoma). The cancer has spread to his liver

(tumor is about 10cm across). He is receiving a chemo drug called

Gemzar. We have changed his diet and given him many supplements

(see below). Six weeks ago, he had a CT scan of his liver to check

the effectiveness of the chemo. The scan showed that the tumor did

not grow. We were thrilled. But today, a second scan was performed

and the results were bad – the tumor continues to grow. Can

someone

please comment/suggest changes to the protocol we have him on?

My father takes daily:

-Flaxseed oil + cottage cheese

-Ellagic acid and graviola ( " Ellagic Acid Insurance Formula " )

– 18

pills a day!

-MGN-3

-Noni juice

-Oligomeric proanthocyanidins

- " Immune Stasis " – contains astragalus, shiitake, thymus,

etc.

-Fish oil -

-Milk thistle

- " Kyolic "

-Proteolytic enzymes

-Co Q-10

-Lipoic acid

-Selenium

-all the vitamins and minerals

- " Kyo-green "

-Whey protein

-Green tea

We have also completely changed his diet, but the tumor continues to

advance.

Please help! Thank you.

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[Guest guest]

Hello,

I don't know what the rest of your fathers diet is like but from what I have

read foods that you don't eat are as important as the foods you do it. There

are certain foods you shouldn't eat and some of these can be found at

www.cancertutor.com and then go to the " Ten Commandments of an Alternative

Cancer Treatment Program " section. Also have a look at

http://home.online.no/~dusan/diseases/cancer/cancer_dr_budwig.html for more

information.

Terry

NEED ADVICE – Tumor continues to grow

Hi,

My father was diagnosed 4 months ago with " terminal " bile

duct

cancer (cholangiocarcinoma). The cancer has spread to his liver

(tumor is about 10cm across). He is receiving a chemo drug called

Gemzar. We have changed his diet and given him many supplements

(see below). Six weeks ago, he had a CT scan of his liver to check

the effectiveness of the chemo. The scan showed that the tumor did

not grow. We were thrilled. But today, a second scan was performed

and the results were bad – the tumor continues to grow. Can

someone

please comment/suggest changes to the protocol we have him on?

My father takes daily:

-Flaxseed oil + cottage cheese

-Ellagic acid and graviola ( " Ellagic Acid Insurance Formula " )

– 18

pills a day!

-MGN-3

-Noni juice

-Oligomeric proanthocyanidins

- " Immune Stasis " – contains astragalus, shiitake, thymus,

etc.

-Fish oil -

-Milk thistle

- " Kyolic "

-Proteolytic enzymes

-Co Q-10

-Lipoic acid

-Selenium

-all the vitamins and minerals

- " Kyo-green "

-Whey protein

-Green tea

We have also completely changed his diet, but the tumor continues to

advance.

Please help! Thank you.

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[Guest guest]

Darryl,don't you think that all white flour products, processed foods and

junk foods and drinks, should be eliminated? They serve no purpose in

nutrition, as I understand healthful living.

Re: NEED ADVICE - Tumor continues to grow

Work to have him watch many funny tapes or DVD's. This may help raise

spirits.

Looks like lots of supplements. What is being eaten or drunk

everyday? Work hard to have an alkaline diet. What other

antioxidants are taken if any? Antioxidants should be taken through

out the day.

Minimum water that should be drank everyday is (body weight) / 2 =

(how much water should be drank). I recommend distilled or reverse

osmoses water with lemon juice.

How many meals per day are eaten and how many meals are removed?

Toxins are often stored in the colon. Some form of good bacterial

should be used to clean the colon.

Eat lots of raw organic fruits and vegetables from farmers market

Eliminate soft drinks and carbonated beverages

Eliminate coffee

Eliminate sugar

Limit white flour

Limit processed foods

Hope this helps.

May God Bless and Guide You,

Darryl

> Hi,

>

> My father was diagnosed 4 months ago with " terminal " bile

> duct

> cancer (cholangiocarcinoma). The cancer has spread to his liver

> (tumor is about 10cm across). He is receiving a chemo drug called

> Gemzar. We have changed his diet and given him many supplements

> (see below). Six weeks ago, he had a CT scan of his liver to check

> the effectiveness of the chemo. The scan showed that the tumor did

> not grow. We were thrilled. But today, a second scan was

performed

> and the results were bad - the tumor continues to grow. Can

> someone

> please comment/suggest changes to the protocol we have him on?

>

> My father takes daily:

> -Flaxseed oil + cottage cheese

> -Ellagic acid and graviola ( " Ellagic Acid Insurance Formula " )

> - 18

> pills a day!

> -MGN-3

> -Noni juice

> -Oligomeric proanthocyanidins

> - " Immune Stasis " - contains astragalus, shiitake, thymus,

> etc.

> -Fish oil -

> -Milk thistle

> - " Kyolic "

> -Proteolytic enzymes

> -Co Q-10

> -Lipoic acid

> -Selenium

> -all the vitamins and minerals

> - " Kyo-green "

> -Whey protein

> -Green tea

>

> We have also completely changed his diet, but the tumor continues

to

> advance.

>

> Please help! Thank you.

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[Guest guest]

Darryl,don't you think that all white flour products, processed foods and

junk foods and drinks, should be eliminated? They serve no purpose in

nutrition, as I understand healthful living.

Re: NEED ADVICE - Tumor continues to grow

Work to have him watch many funny tapes or DVD's. This may help raise

spirits.

Looks like lots of supplements. What is being eaten or drunk

everyday? Work hard to have an alkaline diet. What other

antioxidants are taken if any? Antioxidants should be taken through

out the day.

Minimum water that should be drank everyday is (body weight) / 2 =

(how much water should be drank). I recommend distilled or reverse

osmoses water with lemon juice.

How many meals per day are eaten and how many meals are removed?

Toxins are often stored in the colon. Some form of good bacterial

should be used to clean the colon.

Eat lots of raw organic fruits and vegetables from farmers market

Eliminate soft drinks and carbonated beverages

Eliminate coffee

Eliminate sugar

Limit white flour

Limit processed foods

Hope this helps.

May God Bless and Guide You,

Darryl

> Hi,

>

> My father was diagnosed 4 months ago with " terminal " bile

> duct

> cancer (cholangiocarcinoma). The cancer has spread to his liver

> (tumor is about 10cm across). He is receiving a chemo drug called

> Gemzar. We have changed his diet and given him many supplements

> (see below). Six weeks ago, he had a CT scan of his liver to check

> the effectiveness of the chemo. The scan showed that the tumor did

> not grow. We were thrilled. But today, a second scan was

performed

> and the results were bad - the tumor continues to grow. Can

> someone

> please comment/suggest changes to the protocol we have him on?

>

> My father takes daily:

> -Flaxseed oil + cottage cheese

> -Ellagic acid and graviola ( " Ellagic Acid Insurance Formula " )

> - 18

> pills a day!

> -MGN-3

> -Noni juice

> -Oligomeric proanthocyanidins

> - " Immune Stasis " - contains astragalus, shiitake, thymus,

> etc.

> -Fish oil -

> -Milk thistle

> - " Kyolic "

> -Proteolytic enzymes

> -Co Q-10

> -Lipoic acid

> -Selenium

> -all the vitamins and minerals

> - " Kyo-green "

> -Whey protein

> -Green tea

>

> We have also completely changed his diet, but the tumor continues

to

> advance.

>

> Please help! Thank you.

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[Guest guest]

How do you know it is cholangio and pancreatic at the head of the pancreas?

Have you been tracking CA 19-9? If there has been any surgical intervention

you had better check his lungs for metastasis. Any ascites? What about his

CBC and blood chemistry -- any values out of range?

If cholangiocarcinoma, do you know what caused it? flukes? anise-flavored

alcohol? Might make a difference in choice of therapies. There are many

strategies that can put cholangiocarcinoma into a sustainable remission.

Some require caution, e.g., triptolide. If there has been surgical

intervention you should check the lungs for mets. A good choice would be

bromopyruvate. Sometime you can get away with radiofrequency ablation or

percutaneous ethanol injection. You can usually get control of

cholangiocarcinoma in a couple of weeks if you don't have any surprises (eg.

obstructions) and if you don't have anyone undermining you with their

palliative strategies. Also you need to drop most of the things that you

are doing.

NEED ADVICE - Tumor continues to grow

Hi,

My father was diagnosed 4 months ago with " terminal " bile

duct

cancer (cholangiocarcinoma). The cancer has spread to his liver

(tumor is about 10cm across). He is receiving a chemo drug called

Gemzar. We have changed his diet and given him many supplements

(see below). Six weeks ago, he had a CT scan of his liver to check

the effectiveness of the chemo. The scan showed that the tumor did

not grow. We were thrilled. But today, a second scan was performed

and the results were bad - the tumor continues to grow. Can

someone

please comment/suggest changes to the protocol we have him on?

My father takes daily:

-Flaxseed oil + cottage cheese

-Ellagic acid and graviola ( " Ellagic Acid Insurance Formula " )

- 18

pills a day!

-MGN-3

-Noni juice

-Oligomeric proanthocyanidins

- " Immune Stasis " - contains astragalus, shiitake, thymus,

etc.

-Fish oil -

-Milk thistle

- " Kyolic "

-Proteolytic enzymes

-Co Q-10

-Lipoic acid

-Selenium

-all the vitamins and minerals

- " Kyo-green "

-Whey protein

-Green tea

We have also completely changed his diet, but the tumor continues to

advance.

Please help! Thank you.

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[Guest guest]

How do you know it is cholangio and pancreatic at the head of the pancreas?

Have you been tracking CA 19-9? If there has been any surgical intervention

you had better check his lungs for metastasis. Any ascites? What about his

CBC and blood chemistry -- any values out of range?

If cholangiocarcinoma, do you know what caused it? flukes? anise-flavored

alcohol? Might make a difference in choice of therapies. There are many

strategies that can put cholangiocarcinoma into a sustainable remission.

Some require caution, e.g., triptolide. If there has been surgical

intervention you should check the lungs for mets. A good choice would be

bromopyruvate. Sometime you can get away with radiofrequency ablation or

percutaneous ethanol injection. You can usually get control of

cholangiocarcinoma in a couple of weeks if you don't have any surprises (eg.

obstructions) and if you don't have anyone undermining you with their

palliative strategies. Also you need to drop most of the things that you

are doing.

NEED ADVICE - Tumor continues to grow

Hi,

My father was diagnosed 4 months ago with " terminal " bile

duct

cancer (cholangiocarcinoma). The cancer has spread to his liver

(tumor is about 10cm across). He is receiving a chemo drug called

Gemzar. We have changed his diet and given him many supplements

(see below). Six weeks ago, he had a CT scan of his liver to check

the effectiveness of the chemo. The scan showed that the tumor did

not grow. We were thrilled. But today, a second scan was performed

and the results were bad - the tumor continues to grow. Can

someone

please comment/suggest changes to the protocol we have him on?

My father takes daily:

-Flaxseed oil + cottage cheese

-Ellagic acid and graviola ( " Ellagic Acid Insurance Formula " )

- 18

pills a day!

-MGN-3

-Noni juice

-Oligomeric proanthocyanidins

- " Immune Stasis " - contains astragalus, shiitake, thymus,

etc.

-Fish oil -

-Milk thistle

- " Kyolic "

-Proteolytic enzymes

-Co Q-10

-Lipoic acid

-Selenium

-all the vitamins and minerals

- " Kyo-green "

-Whey protein

-Green tea

We have also completely changed his diet, but the tumor continues to

advance.

Please help! Thank you.

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[Guest guest]

" Darryl, don't you think that all white flour products, processed foods and

junk foods and drinks, should be eliminated? This person would be happy

under a Hitler a Stalin, or possibly worse still than both of them - a

Bush.

The only thing that can eliminate the: " white flour products, processed

foods and junk foods and drinks, " will be the awakening of the people to the

fact that they are being slowly poisoned. They are the rightful volunteers

for the long-running World Population Control Agenda, so marvelously covered

up by the Global Media Cartel.

Cliff.

At 05:37 PM 1/16/2004 -0700, you wrote:

>Darryl,don't you think that all white flour products, processed foods and

>junk foods and drinks, should be eliminated? They serve no purpose in

>nutrition, as I understand healthful living.

>

>

>

> Re: NEED ADVICE - Tumor continues to grow

>

>

>Work to have him watch many funny tapes or DVD's. This may help raise

>spirits.

>

>Looks like lots of supplements. What is being eaten or drunk

>everyday? Work hard to have an alkaline diet. What other

>antioxidants are taken if any? Antioxidants should be taken through

>out the day.

>

>Minimum water that should be drank everyday is (body weight) / 2 =

>(how much water should be drank). I recommend distilled or reverse

>osmoses water with lemon juice.

>

>How many meals per day are eaten and how many meals are removed?

>Toxins are often stored in the colon. Some form of good bacterial

>should be used to clean the colon.

>

>Eat lots of raw organic fruits and vegetables from farmers market

>Eliminate soft drinks and carbonated beverages

>Eliminate coffee

>Eliminate sugar

>Limit white flour

>Limit processed foods

>

>Hope this helps.

>

>May God Bless and Guide You,

>Darryl

>

>

>

>> Hi,

>>

>> My father was diagnosed 4 months ago with " terminal " bile

>> duct

>> cancer (cholangiocarcinoma). The cancer has spread to his liver

>> (tumor is about 10cm across). He is receiving a chemo drug called

>> Gemzar. We have changed his diet and given him many supplements

>> (see below). Six weeks ago, he had a CT scan of his liver to check

>> the effectiveness of the chemo. The scan showed that the tumor did

>> not grow. We were thrilled. But today, a second scan was

>performed

>> and the results were bad - the tumor continues to grow. Can

>> someone

>> please comment/suggest changes to the protocol we have him on?

>>

>> My father takes daily:

>> -Flaxseed oil + cottage cheese

>> -Ellagic acid and graviola ( " Ellagic Acid Insurance Formula " )

>> - 18

>> pills a day!

>> -MGN-3

>> -Noni juice

>> -Oligomeric proanthocyanidins

>> - " Immune Stasis " - contains astragalus, shiitake, thymus,

>> etc.

>> -Fish oil -

>> -Milk thistle

>> - " Kyolic "

>> -Proteolytic enzymes

>> -Co Q-10

>> -Lipoic acid

>> -Selenium

>> -all the vitamins and minerals

>> - " Kyo-green "

>> -Whey protein

>> -Green tea

>>

>> We have also completely changed his diet, but the tumor continues

>to

>> advance.

>>

>> Please help! Thank you.

>

>

>Get HUGE info at http://www.cures for cancer.ws, and post your own links there.

>Unsubscribe by sending email to cures for cancer-unsubscribeegroups or by

>visiting http://www.bobhurt.com/subunsub.mv

>

>

[Guest guest]

" Darryl, don't you think that all white flour products, processed foods and

junk foods and drinks, should be eliminated? This person would be happy

under a Hitler a Stalin, or possibly worse still than both of them - a

Bush.

The only thing that can eliminate the: " white flour products, processed

foods and junk foods and drinks, " will be the awakening of the people to the

fact that they are being slowly poisoned. They are the rightful volunteers

for the long-running World Population Control Agenda, so marvelously covered

up by the Global Media Cartel.

Cliff.

At 05:37 PM 1/16/2004 -0700, you wrote:

>Darryl,don't you think that all white flour products, processed foods and

>junk foods and drinks, should be eliminated? They serve no purpose in

>nutrition, as I understand healthful living.

>

>

>

> Re: NEED ADVICE - Tumor continues to grow

>

>

>Work to have him watch many funny tapes or DVD's. This may help raise

>spirits.

>

>Looks like lots of supplements. What is being eaten or drunk

>everyday? Work hard to have an alkaline diet. What other

>antioxidants are taken if any? Antioxidants should be taken through

>out the day.

>

>Minimum water that should be drank everyday is (body weight) / 2 =

>(how much water should be drank). I recommend distilled or reverse

>osmoses water with lemon juice.

>

>How many meals per day are eaten and how many meals are removed?

>Toxins are often stored in the colon. Some form of good bacterial

>should be used to clean the colon.

>

>Eat lots of raw organic fruits and vegetables from farmers market

>Eliminate soft drinks and carbonated beverages

>Eliminate coffee

>Eliminate sugar

>Limit white flour

>Limit processed foods

>

>Hope this helps.

>

>May God Bless and Guide You,

>Darryl

>

>

>

>> Hi,

>>

>> My father was diagnosed 4 months ago with " terminal " bile

>> duct

>> cancer (cholangiocarcinoma). The cancer has spread to his liver

>> (tumor is about 10cm across). He is receiving a chemo drug called

>> Gemzar. We have changed his diet and given him many supplements

>> (see below). Six weeks ago, he had a CT scan of his liver to check

>> the effectiveness of the chemo. The scan showed that the tumor did

>> not grow. We were thrilled. But today, a second scan was

>performed

>> and the results were bad - the tumor continues to grow. Can

>> someone

>> please comment/suggest changes to the protocol we have him on?

>>

>> My father takes daily:

>> -Flaxseed oil + cottage cheese

>> -Ellagic acid and graviola ( " Ellagic Acid Insurance Formula " )

>> - 18

>> pills a day!

>> -MGN-3

>> -Noni juice

>> -Oligomeric proanthocyanidins

>> - " Immune Stasis " - contains astragalus, shiitake, thymus,

>> etc.

>> -Fish oil -

>> -Milk thistle

>> - " Kyolic "

>> -Proteolytic enzymes

>> -Co Q-10

>> -Lipoic acid

>> -Selenium

>> -all the vitamins and minerals

>> - " Kyo-green "

>> -Whey protein

>> -Green tea

>>

>> We have also completely changed his diet, but the tumor continues

>to

>> advance.

>>

>> Please help! Thank you.

>

>

>Get HUGE info at http://www.cures for cancer.ws, and post your own links there.

>Unsubscribe by sending email to cures for cancer-unsubscribeegroups or by

>visiting http://www.bobhurt.com/subunsub.mv

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi

How much fo/cc is your father taking? Also I am not completely sure here and

hopefully someone else can post on this topic but as a tumor starts to die

it can appear to be larger on a scan but in fact parts of it are dead. How

is your father feeling since the diet started? If he is feeling better try

not to loose hope with the scans as hard as it may be. I hope this is of

some help to you

Regards and best wishes

lea

NEED ADVICE - Tumor continues to grow

Hi,

My father was diagnosed 4 months ago with " terminal " bile

duct

cancer (cholangiocarcinoma). The cancer has spread to his liver

(tumor is about 10cm across). He is receiving a chemo drug called

Gemzar. We have changed his diet and given him many supplements

(see below). Six weeks ago, he had a CT scan of his liver to check

the effectiveness of the chemo. The scan showed that the tumor did

not grow. We were thrilled. But today, a second scan was performed

and the results were bad - the tumor continues to grow. Can

someone

please comment/suggest changes to the protocol we have him on?

My father takes daily:

-Flaxseed oil + cottage cheese

-Ellagic acid and graviola ( " Ellagic Acid Insurance Formula " )

- 18

pills a day!

-MGN-3

-Noni juice

-Oligomeric proanthocyanidins

- " Immune Stasis " - contains astragalus, shiitake, thymus,

etc.

-Fish oil -

-Milk thistle

- " Kyolic "

-Proteolytic enzymes

-Co Q-10

-Lipoic acid

-Selenium

-all the vitamins and minerals

- " Kyo-green "

-Whey protein

-Green tea

We have also completely changed his diet, but the tumor continues to

advance.

Please help! Thank you.

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[Guest guest]

Hi

How much fo/cc is your father taking? Also I am not completely sure here and

hopefully someone else can post on this topic but as a tumor starts to die

it can appear to be larger on a scan but in fact parts of it are dead. How

is your father feeling since the diet started? If he is feeling better try

not to loose hope with the scans as hard as it may be. I hope this is of

some help to you

Regards and best wishes

lea

NEED ADVICE - Tumor continues to grow

Hi,

My father was diagnosed 4 months ago with " terminal " bile

duct

cancer (cholangiocarcinoma). The cancer has spread to his liver

(tumor is about 10cm across). He is receiving a chemo drug called

Gemzar. We have changed his diet and given him many supplements

(see below). Six weeks ago, he had a CT scan of his liver to check

the effectiveness of the chemo. The scan showed that the tumor did

not grow. We were thrilled. But today, a second scan was performed

and the results were bad - the tumor continues to grow. Can

someone

please comment/suggest changes to the protocol we have him on?

My father takes daily:

-Flaxseed oil + cottage cheese

-Ellagic acid and graviola ( " Ellagic Acid Insurance Formula " )

- 18

pills a day!

-MGN-3

-Noni juice

-Oligomeric proanthocyanidins

- " Immune Stasis " - contains astragalus, shiitake, thymus,

etc.

-Fish oil -

-Milk thistle

- " Kyolic "

-Proteolytic enzymes

-Co Q-10

-Lipoic acid

-Selenium

-all the vitamins and minerals

- " Kyo-green "

-Whey protein

-Green tea

We have also completely changed his diet, but the tumor continues to

advance.

Please help! Thank you.

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[Guest guest]

Sorry about the confusion. I meant that he is taking 18 pills a day

of the " Ellagic Acid Insurance Formula. " The vendor that we bought

the supplement from sent us a protocol for people with advanced

cancer. 18 pills seems like a lot and my father is worried about

overdosage, especially since it seems that the ellagic acid/graviola

isn't working.

Jeff

> Hi,

>

> When you mentioned 18 pills a day I began to wonder if he is

taking Flaxseed Oil capsules.

>

> If so, this could be important. I do not believe the capsules can

be effective against cancer. They would simply be not enough.

>

> Cliff

>

> My father takes daily:

> -Flaxseed oil + cottage cheese

> -Ellagic acid and graviola ( " Ellagic Acid Insurance Formula " )

> - 18

> pills a day!

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Sorry about the confusion. I meant that he is taking 18 pills a day

of the " Ellagic Acid Insurance Formula. " The vendor that we bought

the supplement from sent us a protocol for people with advanced

cancer. 18 pills seems like a lot and my father is worried about

overdosage, especially since it seems that the ellagic acid/graviola

isn't working.

Jeff

> Hi,

>

> When you mentioned 18 pills a day I began to wonder if he is

taking Flaxseed Oil capsules.

>

> If so, this could be important. I do not believe the capsules can

be effective against cancer. They would simply be not enough.

>

> Cliff

>

> My father takes daily:

> -Flaxseed oil + cottage cheese

> -Ellagic acid and graviola ( " Ellagic Acid Insurance Formula " )

> - 18

> pills a day!

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Sorry Cliff, you are correct on this one, but I meant that they should be

elimnated from the diet when one is sick, and I stick by this, whether I am

a Bush, or whatever. It is too bad you have to bring politics into this.

Have you ever heard of Dale Carnegie?

Re: NEED ADVICE - Tumor continues to grow

> >

> >

> >Work to have him watch many funny tapes or DVD's. This may help raise

> >spirits.

> >

> >Looks like lots of supplements. What is being eaten or drunk

> >everyday? Work hard to have an alkaline diet. What other

> >antioxidants are taken if any? Antioxidants should be taken through

> >out the day.

> >

> >Minimum water that should be drank everyday is (body weight) / 2 =

> >(how much water should be drank). I recommend distilled or reverse

> >osmoses water with lemon juice.

> >

> >How many meals per day are eaten and how many meals are removed?

> >Toxins are often stored in the colon. Some form of good bacterial

> >should be used to clean the colon.

> >

> >Eat lots of raw organic fruits and vegetables from farmers market

> >Eliminate soft drinks and carbonated beverages

> >Eliminate coffee

> >Eliminate sugar

> >Limit white flour

> >Limit processed foods

> >

> >Hope this helps.

> >

> >May God Bless and Guide You,

> >Darryl

> >

> >

> >

> >> Hi,

> >>

> >> My father was diagnosed 4 months ago with " terminal " bile

> >> duct

> >> cancer (cholangiocarcinoma). The cancer has spread to his liver

> >> (tumor is about 10cm across). He is receiving a chemo drug called

> >> Gemzar. We have changed his diet and given him many supplements

> >> (see below). Six weeks ago, he had a CT scan of his liver to check

> >> the effectiveness of the chemo. The scan showed that the tumor did

> >> not grow. We were thrilled. But today, a second scan was

> >performed

> >> and the results were bad - the tumor continues to grow. Can

> >> someone

> >> please comment/suggest changes to the protocol we have him on?

> >>

> >> My father takes daily:

> >> -Flaxseed oil + cottage cheese

> >> -Ellagic acid and graviola ( " Ellagic Acid Insurance Formula " )

> >> - 18

> >> pills a day!

> >> -MGN-3

> >> -Noni juice

> >> -Oligomeric proanthocyanidins

> >> - " Immune Stasis " - contains astragalus, shiitake, thymus,

> >> etc.

> >> -Fish oil -

> >> -Milk thistle

> >> - " Kyolic "

> >> -Proteolytic enzymes

> >> -Co Q-10

> >> -Lipoic acid

> >> -Selenium

> >> -all the vitamins and minerals

> >> - " Kyo-green "

> >> -Whey protein

> >> -Green tea

> >>

> >> We have also completely changed his diet, but the tumor continues

> >to

> >> advance.

> >>

> >> Please help! Thank you.

> >

> >

> >Get HUGE info at http://www.cures for cancer.ws, and post your own links there.

> >Unsubscribe by sending email to cures for cancer-unsubscribeegroups or by

> >visiting http://www.bobhurt.com/subunsub.mv

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Sorry Cliff, you are correct on this one, but I meant that they should be

elimnated from the diet when one is sick, and I stick by this, whether I am

a Bush, or whatever. It is too bad you have to bring politics into this.

Have you ever heard of Dale Carnegie?

Re: NEED ADVICE - Tumor continues to grow

> >

> >

> >Work to have him watch many funny tapes or DVD's. This may help raise

> >spirits.

> >

> >Looks like lots of supplements. What is being eaten or drunk

> >everyday? Work hard to have an alkaline diet. What other

> >antioxidants are taken if any? Antioxidants should be taken through

> >out the day.

> >

> >Minimum water that should be drank everyday is (body weight) / 2 =

> >(how much water should be drank). I recommend distilled or reverse

> >osmoses water with lemon juice.

> >

> >How many meals per day are eaten and how many meals are removed?

> >Toxins are often stored in the colon. Some form of good bacterial

> >should be used to clean the colon.

> >

> >Eat lots of raw organic fruits and vegetables from farmers market

> >Eliminate soft drinks and carbonated beverages

> >Eliminate coffee

> >Eliminate sugar

> >Limit white flour

> >Limit processed foods

> >

> >Hope this helps.

> >

> >May God Bless and Guide You,

> >Darryl

> >

> >

> >

> >> Hi,

> >>

> >> My father was diagnosed 4 months ago with " terminal " bile

> >> duct

> >> cancer (cholangiocarcinoma). The cancer has spread to his liver

> >> (tumor is about 10cm across). He is receiving a chemo drug called

> >> Gemzar. We have changed his diet and given him many supplements

> >> (see below). Six weeks ago, he had a CT scan of his liver to check

> >> the effectiveness of the chemo. The scan showed that the tumor did

> >> not grow. We were thrilled. But today, a second scan was

> >performed

> >> and the results were bad - the tumor continues to grow. Can

> >> someone

> >> please comment/suggest changes to the protocol we have him on?

> >>

> >> My father takes daily:

> >> -Flaxseed oil + cottage cheese

> >> -Ellagic acid and graviola ( " Ellagic Acid Insurance Formula " )

> >> - 18

> >> pills a day!

> >> -MGN-3

> >> -Noni juice

> >> -Oligomeric proanthocyanidins

> >> - " Immune Stasis " - contains astragalus, shiitake, thymus,

> >> etc.

> >> -Fish oil -

> >> -Milk thistle

> >> - " Kyolic "

> >> -Proteolytic enzymes

> >> -Co Q-10

> >> -Lipoic acid

> >> -Selenium

> >> -all the vitamins and minerals

> >> - " Kyo-green "

> >> -Whey protein

> >> -Green tea

> >>

> >> We have also completely changed his diet, but the tumor continues

> >to

> >> advance.

> >>

> >> Please help! Thank you.

> >

> >

> >Get HUGE info at http://www.cures for cancer.ws, and post your own links there.

> >Unsubscribe by sending email to cures for cancer-unsubscribeegroups or by

> >visiting http://www.bobhurt.com/subunsub.mv

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

,

The tumor board (that's what they call it) at the Univ of North

Carolina decided my father's cancer is cholangiocarcinoma. It is

very rare. No ascites. No metastasis to the pancreas or lungs.

Low red and white blood cell counts due to chemo. The doctors don't

know what caused the cancer. My father hardly drinks alcohol,

doesn't smoke or eat bad. I'm not sure what a " fluke " is. The

tumor is very large and inoperable. It is smack in the middle of

the liver and has wrapped itself around the main arteries and bile

ducts. We asked the doctors about radiofrequency ablation and

percutaneous ethanol injection, but they ruled it out becuase of the

proximity of the tumor to the main arteries, which would act like

heat sinks or rupture. Not sure what bromopyruvate is, but I'll

look into it.

Thanks.

> How do you know it is cholangio and pancreatic at the head of the

pancreas?

> Have you been tracking CA 19-9? If there has been any surgical

intervention

> you had better check his lungs for metastasis. Any ascites? What

about his

> CBC and blood chemistry -- any values out of range?

> If cholangiocarcinoma, do you know what caused it? flukes? anise-

flavored

> alcohol? Might make a difference in choice of therapies. There

are many

> strategies that can put cholangiocarcinoma into a sustainable

remission.

> Some require caution, e.g., triptolide. If there has been surgical

> intervention you should check the lungs for mets. A good choice

would be

> bromopyruvate. Sometime you can get away with radiofrequency

ablation or

> percutaneous ethanol injection. You can usually get control of

> cholangiocarcinoma in a couple of weeks if you don't have any

surprises (eg.

> obstructions) and if you don't have anyone undermining you with

their

> palliative strategies. Also you need to drop most of the things

that you

> are doing.

>

>

>

>

>

> NEED ADVICE - Tumor continues to grow

>

>

> Hi,

>

> My father was diagnosed 4 months ago with " terminal " bile

> duct

> cancer (cholangiocarcinoma). The cancer has spread to his liver

> (tumor is about 10cm across). He is receiving a chemo drug called

> Gemzar. We have changed his diet and given him many supplements

> (see below). Six weeks ago, he had a CT scan of his liver to check

> the effectiveness of the chemo. The scan showed that the tumor did

> not grow. We were thrilled. But today, a second scan was

performed

> and the results were bad - the tumor continues to grow. Can

> someone

> please comment/suggest changes to the protocol we have him on?

>

> My father takes daily:

> -Flaxseed oil + cottage cheese

> -Ellagic acid and graviola ( " Ellagic Acid Insurance Formula " )

> - 18

> pills a day!

> -MGN-3

> -Noni juice

> -Oligomeric proanthocyanidins

> - " Immune Stasis " - contains astragalus, shiitake, thymus,

> etc.

> -Fish oil -

> -Milk thistle

> - " Kyolic "

> -Proteolytic enzymes

> -Co Q-10

> -Lipoic acid

> -Selenium

> -all the vitamins and minerals

> - " Kyo-green "

> -Whey protein

> -Green tea

>

> We have also completely changed his diet, but the tumor continues

to

> advance.

>

> Please help! Thank you.

>

>

>

> Get HUGE info at http://www.cures for cancer.ws, and post your own links

there.

> Unsubscribe by sending email to cures for cancer-unsubscribeegroups

or by

> visiting http://www.bobhurt.com/subunsub.mv

>

>

[Guest guest]

,

The tumor board (that's what they call it) at the Univ of North

Carolina decided my father's cancer is cholangiocarcinoma. It is

very rare. No ascites. No metastasis to the pancreas or lungs.

Low red and white blood cell counts due to chemo. The doctors don't

know what caused the cancer. My father hardly drinks alcohol,

doesn't smoke or eat bad. I'm not sure what a " fluke " is. The

tumor is very large and inoperable. It is smack in the middle of

the liver and has wrapped itself around the main arteries and bile

ducts. We asked the doctors about radiofrequency ablation and

percutaneous ethanol injection, but they ruled it out becuase of the

proximity of the tumor to the main arteries, which would act like

heat sinks or rupture. Not sure what bromopyruvate is, but I'll

look into it.

Thanks.

> How do you know it is cholangio and pancreatic at the head of the

pancreas?

> Have you been tracking CA 19-9? If there has been any surgical

intervention

> you had better check his lungs for metastasis. Any ascites? What

about his

> CBC and blood chemistry -- any values out of range?

> If cholangiocarcinoma, do you know what caused it? flukes? anise-

flavored

> alcohol? Might make a difference in choice of therapies. There

are many

> strategies that can put cholangiocarcinoma into a sustainable

remission.

> Some require caution, e.g., triptolide. If there has been surgical

> intervention you should check the lungs for mets. A good choice

would be

> bromopyruvate. Sometime you can get away with radiofrequency

ablation or

> percutaneous ethanol injection. You can usually get control of

> cholangiocarcinoma in a couple of weeks if you don't have any

surprises (eg.

> obstructions) and if you don't have anyone undermining you with

their

> palliative strategies. Also you need to drop most of the things

that you

> are doing.

>

>

>

>

>

> NEED ADVICE - Tumor continues to grow

>

>

> Hi,

>

> My father was diagnosed 4 months ago with " terminal " bile

> duct

> cancer (cholangiocarcinoma). The cancer has spread to his liver

> (tumor is about 10cm across). He is receiving a chemo drug called

> Gemzar. We have changed his diet and given him many supplements

> (see below). Six weeks ago, he had a CT scan of his liver to check

> the effectiveness of the chemo. The scan showed that the tumor did

> not grow. We were thrilled. But today, a second scan was

performed

> and the results were bad - the tumor continues to grow. Can

> someone

> please comment/suggest changes to the protocol we have him on?

>

> My father takes daily:

> -Flaxseed oil + cottage cheese

> -Ellagic acid and graviola ( " Ellagic Acid Insurance Formula " )

> - 18

> pills a day!

> -MGN-3

> -Noni juice

> -Oligomeric proanthocyanidins

> - " Immune Stasis " - contains astragalus, shiitake, thymus,

> etc.

> -Fish oil -

> -Milk thistle

> - " Kyolic "

> -Proteolytic enzymes

> -Co Q-10

> -Lipoic acid

> -Selenium

> -all the vitamins and minerals

> - " Kyo-green "

> -Whey protein

> -Green tea

>

> We have also completely changed his diet, but the tumor continues

to

> advance.

>

> Please help! Thank you.

>

>

>

> Get HUGE info at http://www.cures for cancer.ws, and post your own links

there.

> Unsubscribe by sending email to cures for cancer-unsubscribeegroups

or by

> visiting http://www.bobhurt.com/subunsub.mv

>

>

[Guest guest]

Lea,

He takes 2 Tablespoons of FO with 1 cup of CC per day. We are not

aware of any positive change to his physical well being since the

diet started. There is still slight jaundice, cachexia (which seems

to have stablized temporarily), and abdominal pain. Thankfully, his

energy level has always been high.

Thanks,

Jeff

> Hi

> How much fo/cc is your father taking? Also I am not completely

sure here and

> hopefully someone else can post on this topic but as a tumor

starts to die

> it can appear to be larger on a scan but in fact parts of it are

dead. How

> is your father feeling since the diet started? If he is feeling

better try

> not to loose hope with the scans as hard as it may be. I hope this

is of

> some help to you

> Regards and best wishes

> lea

>

> NEED ADVICE - Tumor continues to grow

>

> Hi,

>

> My father was diagnosed 4 months ago with " terminal " bile

> duct

> cancer (cholangiocarcinoma). The cancer has spread to his liver

> (tumor is about 10cm across). He is receiving a chemo drug called

> Gemzar. We have changed his diet and given him many supplements

> (see below). Six weeks ago, he had a CT scan of his liver to

check

> the effectiveness of the chemo. The scan showed that the tumor

did

> not grow. We were thrilled. But today, a second scan was

performed

> and the results were bad - the tumor continues to grow. Can

> someone

> please comment/suggest changes to the protocol we have him on?

>

> My father takes daily:

> -Flaxseed oil + cottage cheese

> -Ellagic acid and graviola ( " Ellagic Acid Insurance Formula " )

> - 18

> pills a day!

> -MGN-3

> -Noni juice

> -Oligomeric proanthocyanidins

> - " Immune Stasis " - contains astragalus, shiitake, thymus,

> etc.

> -Fish oil -

> -Milk thistle

> - " Kyolic "

> -Proteolytic enzymes

> -Co Q-10

> -Lipoic acid

> -Selenium

> -all the vitamins and minerals

> - " Kyo-green "

> -Whey protein

> -Green tea

>

> We have also completely changed his diet, but the tumor continues

to

> advance.

>

> Please help! Thank you.

>

>

>

> Get HUGE info at http://www.cures for cancer.ws, and post your own links

there.

> Unsubscribe by sending email to cures for cancer-unsubscribeegroups

or by

> visiting http://www.bobhurt.com/subunsub.mv

>

>

[Guest guest]

Lea,

He takes 2 Tablespoons of FO with 1 cup of CC per day. We are not

aware of any positive change to his physical well being since the

diet started. There is still slight jaundice, cachexia (which seems

to have stablized temporarily), and abdominal pain. Thankfully, his

energy level has always been high.

Thanks,

Jeff

> Hi

> How much fo/cc is your father taking? Also I am not completely

sure here and

> hopefully someone else can post on this topic but as a tumor

starts to die

> it can appear to be larger on a scan but in fact parts of it are

dead. How

> is your father feeling since the diet started? If he is feeling

better try

> not to loose hope with the scans as hard as it may be. I hope this

is of

> some help to you

> Regards and best wishes

> lea

>

> NEED ADVICE - Tumor continues to grow

>

> Hi,

>

> My father was diagnosed 4 months ago with " terminal " bile

> duct

> cancer (cholangiocarcinoma). The cancer has spread to his liver

> (tumor is about 10cm across). He is receiving a chemo drug called

> Gemzar. We have changed his diet and given him many supplements

> (see below). Six weeks ago, he had a CT scan of his liver to

check

> the effectiveness of the chemo. The scan showed that the tumor

did

> not grow. We were thrilled. But today, a second scan was

performed

> and the results were bad - the tumor continues to grow. Can

> someone

> please comment/suggest changes to the protocol we have him on?

>

> My father takes daily:

> -Flaxseed oil + cottage cheese

> -Ellagic acid and graviola ( " Ellagic Acid Insurance Formula " )

> - 18

> pills a day!

> -MGN-3

> -Noni juice

> -Oligomeric proanthocyanidins

> - " Immune Stasis " - contains astragalus, shiitake, thymus,

> etc.

> -Fish oil -

> -Milk thistle

> - " Kyolic "

> -Proteolytic enzymes

> -Co Q-10

> -Lipoic acid

> -Selenium

> -all the vitamins and minerals

> - " Kyo-green "

> -Whey protein

> -Green tea

>

> We have also completely changed his diet, but the tumor continues

to

> advance.

>

> Please help! Thank you.

>

>

>

> Get HUGE info at http://www.cures for cancer.ws, and post your own links

there.

> Unsubscribe by sending email to cures for cancer-unsubscribeegroups

or by

> visiting http://www.bobhurt.com/subunsub.mv

>

>

[Guest guest]

Your right ...Dale Carnegie wrote a good book..fwiw

Re: Re: Re: NEED ADVICE - Tumor continues to grow

> " Darryl, don't you think that all white flour products, processed foods

and

> junk foods and drinks, should be eliminated? This person would be happy

> under a Hitler a Stalin, or possibly worse still than both of them - a

> Bush.

>

> The only thing that can eliminate the: " white flour products, processed

> foods and junk foods and drinks, " will be the awakening of the people to

the

> fact that they are being slowly poisoned. They are the rightful volunteers

> for the long-running World Population Control Agenda, so marvelously

covered

> up by the Global Media Cartel.

>

> Cliff.

[Guest guest]

Your right ...Dale Carnegie wrote a good book..fwiw

Re: Re: Re: NEED ADVICE - Tumor continues to grow

> " Darryl, don't you think that all white flour products, processed foods

and

> junk foods and drinks, should be eliminated? This person would be happy

> under a Hitler a Stalin, or possibly worse still than both of them - a

> Bush.

>

> The only thing that can eliminate the: " white flour products, processed

> foods and junk foods and drinks, " will be the awakening of the people to

the

> fact that they are being slowly poisoned. They are the rightful volunteers

> for the long-running World Population Control Agenda, so marvelously

covered

> up by the Global Media Cartel.

>

> Cliff.

[Guest guest]

It is useful to check the literature of counties where a type of cancer

is common. Thailand has a high rate of cholangiocarcinoma and they are

ahead of the crowd in treatments. I have been sharing information with

Chinese researchers using triptolide and we have been using it in Mexico.

Triptolide is very toxic in high doses although very safe if used correctly.

It requires refrigeration as epoxides are not very stable. Laws in North

Carolina have a reputation of being a bit more liberal than the rest of the

country and if you have a willing clinician I am willing to provide it

without cost. The article below mentions its use with TNF alpha, but the

beta works also.

It is long past the time when you can attack a 10 cm hilar

cholangiocarcinoma with simple corrective or immune therapies and expect

results. Too many things can go wrong very quickly and your father can find

himself in a situation of several different obstructions, ascites,

confusion, severe pain, vomiting that is not relieved by the usual

antiemetics, and intractable hepatic decompensation.

This cancer is very difficult but certainly not impossible. You are

unlikely to get any help from timid surgeons and from chemo-oncologists who

have already blown it with a sadly uninspired gemzar therapy.

My apologies to all on the list who are big believers in natural

medicines and think that too often I suggest things that are radical. I

think like you, but sometimes you must step far beyond what is routinely

available in conventional or natural medicine. Nothing will ever change as

long as people are so absurdly reverent to their incompetent conventional

physicians with their patent medicines. Too many people are informed that

they are terminal, so what do they do? They fret a bit and lay down and

die. When you hear such nonsense why doesn't your blood boil? Do you

think that you are getting value for all the money you've poured into your

medical insurance? What do you think as the government and major

pharmaceutical companies try to take over all herbal medicines,

nutriceuticals, and vitamins and control them or criminalize them?

Medicine, medical products, medical services and medical research in the US

is one and a half trillion dollars per year and you still think that all the

major players want to see an end to cancer and other chronic diseases? No?

What are you going to do about it? You can learn about the treatments that

work, take responsibility for your own health, and tell everyone who will

listen what you are doing, and why you are doing it. That is the starting

place.

You saw that big statue of Saddam Hussein come down? That is what is

in store for big pharma if you are tired of having your blood, your dollars,

and your life sucked out of you. Learn to take care of yourself and fend

for yourself.

Br J Surg. 2002 Aug; 89(8): 962-70.

Liver fluke-associated cholangiocarcinoma.

Watanapa P, Watanapa WB.

Departments of Surgery and Physiology, Faculty of Medicine, Siriraj

Hospital, Mahidol University, Bangkok 10 700, Thailand. a

BACKGROUND: Infection with liver flukes has been reported to be associated

with bile duct malignancy. METHODS: The review is based on a literature

search (Medline) and, in some cases, direct contact with authors or

principal investigators. RESULTS: A large body of evidence indicates that

Opisthorchis viverrini is a definite cause of human cholangiocarcinoma,

whereas Clonorchis sinensis is a probable cause. The evidence regarding

Opisthorchis felineus is insufficient to assess its role in carcinogenesis.

Possible mechanisms of carcinogenesis include chronic irritation, nitric

oxide formation, intrinsic nitrosation and activation of drug-metabolizing

enzymes. Early detection of bile duct malignancy is difficult and not

clinically available at present, although cholangiocarcinoma-associated

soluble antigen has been reported in an experimental study to be a useful

early marker of cancer development. Long-term survival after surgical

treatment of liver fluke-associated cancer is similar to that reported in

patients without liver fluke infestation. CONCLUSION: Liver fluke-associated

cholangiocarcinoma is still a health problem in developing countries.

Mechanisms of carcinogenesis should be explored further in order to reduce

the impact of this disease.

Asian Pac J Allergy Immunol. 2002 Sep; 20(3): 167-73.

Synergistic cytotoxicity and apoptosis induced in human cholangiocarcinoma

cell lines by a combined treatment with tumor necrosis factor-alpha

(TNF-alpha) and triptolide.

Panichakul T, Wanun T, Reutrakul V, Sirisinha S.

Laboratory of Immunology, Chulabhorn Research Institute, Faculty of Science,

Mahidol University, Bangkok 10210, Thailand.

Cholangiocarcinoma is known to be relatively resistant to chemotherapy. One

alternative approach is to use a combination of an immunomodulating agent

with an anticancer drug. Here we studied the synergistic actions of

TNF-alpha and triptolide (a diterpene epoxide prepared from Tripterygium

wilfordii), previously shown to have antitumor activity against hamster

cholangiocarcinoma (CCA) cells. Three human CCA cell lines (HuCCA-1,

HubCCA-1, KKU-100 cell lines) were subjected to a combined treatment of

TNF-alpha (0.1-10 ng/ml) and triptolide (5-50 ng/ml) for 24 hours in

microculture plates. The combination of TNF-alpha and triptolide had a

significantly increased cytotoxic activity over that of triptolide alone (p

< 0.05). Under the same conditions, TNF-alpha by itself was not cytotoxic to

these cell lines. Similarly, the combined treatment could also accelerate

apoptotic cell death in all three human cholangiocarcinoma cell lines. The

combined treatment of TNF-alpha at 10 ng/ml and triptolide at 50 ng/ml for

6-10 hours achieved a percentage of apoptotic cells shown by DAPI staining

of 18-65%, compared to only 6-20% apoptotic cells for triptolide alone.

Analyzing the possible mechanisms of the combined treatment, we found by

Western blot that at 6 hours, there was a poly (ADP-ribose) polymerase

(PARP) cleavage which was not detectable by the treatment of either

TNF-alpha or triptolide alone. The cleavage of PARP was inhibited when the

cells were pretreated with the enzyme inhibitor AC-DEVD-CMK, suggesting that

apoptosis induced by the combination of TNF-alpha and triptolide involved

activation of caspase 3. These results indicate that apoptosis of human

cholangiocarcinoma cell lines as induced by a combination of TNF-alpha and

triptolide is mediated through caspase 3 activation.

Cancer Lett. 1998 Nov 27; 133(2): 169-75.

Antitumor activity of triptolide against cholangiocarcinoma growth in vitro

and in hamsters.

Tengchaisri T, Chawengkirttikul R, Rachaphaew N, Reutrakul V, Sangsuwan R,

Sirisinha S.

Laboratory of Immunology, Chulabhorn Research Institute, Bangkok, Thailand.

One of the diverse biological activities of triptolide, a diterpene from

Tripterygium wilfordii, is its antitumor effect. We recently reported its in

vitro cytotoxicity against several cultured tumor cell lines. Limited

availability of purified fraction has prevented detailed investigation on

its antitumor activity. In the present study, we showed by in vitro

cytotoxicity assay and in vivo inhibition of tumor growth in hamsters that

the triptolide was also highly effective against cholangiocarcinoma, a

highly fatal tumor predominantly occurring in developing countries. Its ED50

for these hamster cholangiocarcinoma cell lines was found to be as low as

0.05 microg/ml. The compound was highly potent in the induction of apoptotic

death in these tumor cells. DNA fragmentation and disintegrating apoptotic

cells could be observed within 24 h of exposure to 0.5 microg/ml triptolide.

The compound was tested against the growth of cholangiocarcinoma in a

hamster model. A significant growth inhibition (P < 0.05) was noted in

triptolide-treated hamsters (each of the 10 animals received 10 injections

for a total of 1.2 mg/animal). At the time of sacrifice 1 month after the

initial injection, the mean tumor mass of the treated group was only 20-25%

of that of the control group.

NEED ADVICE - Tumor continues to grow

> >

> >

> > Hi,

> >

> > My father was diagnosed 4 months ago with " terminal " bile

> > duct

> > cancer (cholangiocarcinoma). The cancer has spread to his liver

> > (tumor is about 10cm across). He is receiving a chemo drug called

> > Gemzar. We have changed his diet and given him many supplements

> > (see below). Six weeks ago, he had a CT scan of his liver to check

> > the effectiveness of the chemo. The scan showed that the tumor did

> > not grow. We were thrilled. But today, a second scan was

> performed

> > and the results were bad - the tumor continues to grow. Can

> > someone

> > please comment/suggest changes to the protocol we have him on?

> >

> > My father takes daily:

> > -Flaxseed oil + cottage cheese

> > -Ellagic acid and graviola ( " Ellagic Acid Insurance Formula " )

> > - 18

> > pills a day!

> > -MGN-3

> > -Noni juice

> > -Oligomeric proanthocyanidins

> > - " Immune Stasis " - contains astragalus, shiitake, thymus,

> > etc.

> > -Fish oil -

> > -Milk thistle

> > - " Kyolic "

> > -Proteolytic enzymes

> > -Co Q-10

> > -Lipoic acid

> > -Selenium

> > -all the vitamins and minerals

> > - " Kyo-green "

> > -Whey protein

> > -Green tea

> >

> > We have also completely changed his diet, but the tumor continues

> to

> > advance.

> >

> > Please help! Thank you.

> >

>

>

[Guest guest]

It is useful to check the literature of counties where a type of cancer

is common. Thailand has a high rate of cholangiocarcinoma and they are

ahead of the crowd in treatments. I have been sharing information with

Chinese researchers using triptolide and we have been using it in Mexico.

Triptolide is very toxic in high doses although very safe if used correctly.

It requires refrigeration as epoxides are not very stable. Laws in North

Carolina have a reputation of being a bit more liberal than the rest of the

country and if you have a willing clinician I am willing to provide it

without cost. The article below mentions its use with TNF alpha, but the

beta works also.

It is long past the time when you can attack a 10 cm hilar

cholangiocarcinoma with simple corrective or immune therapies and expect

results. Too many things can go wrong very quickly and your father can find

himself in a situation of several different obstructions, ascites,

confusion, severe pain, vomiting that is not relieved by the usual

antiemetics, and intractable hepatic decompensation.

This cancer is very difficult but certainly not impossible. You are

unlikely to get any help from timid surgeons and from chemo-oncologists who

have already blown it with a sadly uninspired gemzar therapy.

My apologies to all on the list who are big believers in natural

medicines and think that too often I suggest things that are radical. I

think like you, but sometimes you must step far beyond what is routinely

available in conventional or natural medicine. Nothing will ever change as

long as people are so absurdly reverent to their incompetent conventional

physicians with their patent medicines. Too many people are informed that

they are terminal, so what do they do? They fret a bit and lay down and

die. When you hear such nonsense why doesn't your blood boil? Do you

think that you are getting value for all the money you've poured into your

medical insurance? What do you think as the government and major

pharmaceutical companies try to take over all herbal medicines,

nutriceuticals, and vitamins and control them or criminalize them?

Medicine, medical products, medical services and medical research in the US

is one and a half trillion dollars per year and you still think that all the

major players want to see an end to cancer and other chronic diseases? No?

What are you going to do about it? You can learn about the treatments that

work, take responsibility for your own health, and tell everyone who will

listen what you are doing, and why you are doing it. That is the starting

place.

You saw that big statue of Saddam Hussein come down? That is what is

in store for big pharma if you are tired of having your blood, your dollars,

and your life sucked out of you. Learn to take care of yourself and fend

for yourself.

Br J Surg. 2002 Aug; 89(8): 962-70.

Liver fluke-associated cholangiocarcinoma.

Watanapa P, Watanapa WB.

Departments of Surgery and Physiology, Faculty of Medicine, Siriraj

Hospital, Mahidol University, Bangkok 10 700, Thailand. a

BACKGROUND: Infection with liver flukes has been reported to be associated

with bile duct malignancy. METHODS: The review is based on a literature

search (Medline) and, in some cases, direct contact with authors or

principal investigators. RESULTS: A large body of evidence indicates that

Opisthorchis viverrini is a definite cause of human cholangiocarcinoma,

whereas Clonorchis sinensis is a probable cause. The evidence regarding

Opisthorchis felineus is insufficient to assess its role in carcinogenesis.

Possible mechanisms of carcinogenesis include chronic irritation, nitric

oxide formation, intrinsic nitrosation and activation of drug-metabolizing

enzymes. Early detection of bile duct malignancy is difficult and not

clinically available at present, although cholangiocarcinoma-associated

soluble antigen has been reported in an experimental study to be a useful

early marker of cancer development. Long-term survival after surgical

treatment of liver fluke-associated cancer is similar to that reported in

patients without liver fluke infestation. CONCLUSION: Liver fluke-associated

cholangiocarcinoma is still a health problem in developing countries.

Mechanisms of carcinogenesis should be explored further in order to reduce

the impact of this disease.

Asian Pac J Allergy Immunol. 2002 Sep; 20(3): 167-73.

Synergistic cytotoxicity and apoptosis induced in human cholangiocarcinoma

cell lines by a combined treatment with tumor necrosis factor-alpha

(TNF-alpha) and triptolide.

Panichakul T, Wanun T, Reutrakul V, Sirisinha S.

Laboratory of Immunology, Chulabhorn Research Institute, Faculty of Science,

Mahidol University, Bangkok 10210, Thailand.

Cholangiocarcinoma is known to be relatively resistant to chemotherapy. One

alternative approach is to use a combination of an immunomodulating agent

with an anticancer drug. Here we studied the synergistic actions of

TNF-alpha and triptolide (a diterpene epoxide prepared from Tripterygium

wilfordii), previously shown to have antitumor activity against hamster

cholangiocarcinoma (CCA) cells. Three human CCA cell lines (HuCCA-1,

HubCCA-1, KKU-100 cell lines) were subjected to a combined treatment of

TNF-alpha (0.1-10 ng/ml) and triptolide (5-50 ng/ml) for 24 hours in

microculture plates. The combination of TNF-alpha and triptolide had a

significantly increased cytotoxic activity over that of triptolide alone (p

< 0.05). Under the same conditions, TNF-alpha by itself was not cytotoxic to

these cell lines. Similarly, the combined treatment could also accelerate

apoptotic cell death in all three human cholangiocarcinoma cell lines. The

combined treatment of TNF-alpha at 10 ng/ml and triptolide at 50 ng/ml for

6-10 hours achieved a percentage of apoptotic cells shown by DAPI staining

of 18-65%, compared to only 6-20% apoptotic cells for triptolide alone.

Analyzing the possible mechanisms of the combined treatment, we found by

Western blot that at 6 hours, there was a poly (ADP-ribose) polymerase

(PARP) cleavage which was not detectable by the treatment of either

TNF-alpha or triptolide alone. The cleavage of PARP was inhibited when the

cells were pretreated with the enzyme inhibitor AC-DEVD-CMK, suggesting that

apoptosis induced by the combination of TNF-alpha and triptolide involved

activation of caspase 3. These results indicate that apoptosis of human

cholangiocarcinoma cell lines as induced by a combination of TNF-alpha and

triptolide is mediated through caspase 3 activation.

Cancer Lett. 1998 Nov 27; 133(2): 169-75.

Antitumor activity of triptolide against cholangiocarcinoma growth in vitro

and in hamsters.

Tengchaisri T, Chawengkirttikul R, Rachaphaew N, Reutrakul V, Sangsuwan R,

Sirisinha S.

Laboratory of Immunology, Chulabhorn Research Institute, Bangkok, Thailand.

One of the diverse biological activities of triptolide, a diterpene from

Tripterygium wilfordii, is its antitumor effect. We recently reported its in

vitro cytotoxicity against several cultured tumor cell lines. Limited

availability of purified fraction has prevented detailed investigation on

its antitumor activity. In the present study, we showed by in vitro

cytotoxicity assay and in vivo inhibition of tumor growth in hamsters that

the triptolide was also highly effective against cholangiocarcinoma, a

highly fatal tumor predominantly occurring in developing countries. Its ED50

for these hamster cholangiocarcinoma cell lines was found to be as low as

0.05 microg/ml. The compound was highly potent in the induction of apoptotic

death in these tumor cells. DNA fragmentation and disintegrating apoptotic

cells could be observed within 24 h of exposure to 0.5 microg/ml triptolide.

The compound was tested against the growth of cholangiocarcinoma in a

hamster model. A significant growth inhibition (P < 0.05) was noted in

triptolide-treated hamsters (each of the 10 animals received 10 injections

for a total of 1.2 mg/animal). At the time of sacrifice 1 month after the

initial injection, the mean tumor mass of the treated group was only 20-25%

of that of the control group.

NEED ADVICE - Tumor continues to grow

> >

> >

> > Hi,

> >

> > My father was diagnosed 4 months ago with " terminal " bile

> > duct

> > cancer (cholangiocarcinoma). The cancer has spread to his liver

> > (tumor is about 10cm across). He is receiving a chemo drug called

> > Gemzar. We have changed his diet and given him many supplements

> > (see below). Six weeks ago, he had a CT scan of his liver to check

> > the effectiveness of the chemo. The scan showed that the tumor did

> > not grow. We were thrilled. But today, a second scan was

> performed

> > and the results were bad - the tumor continues to grow. Can

> > someone

> > please comment/suggest changes to the protocol we have him on?

> >

> > My father takes daily:

> > -Flaxseed oil + cottage cheese

> > -Ellagic acid and graviola ( " Ellagic Acid Insurance Formula " )

> > - 18

> > pills a day!

> > -MGN-3

> > -Noni juice

> > -Oligomeric proanthocyanidins

> > - " Immune Stasis " - contains astragalus, shiitake, thymus,

> > etc.

> > -Fish oil -

> > -Milk thistle

> > - " Kyolic "

> > -Proteolytic enzymes

> > -Co Q-10

> > -Lipoic acid

> > -Selenium

> > -all the vitamins and minerals

> > - " Kyo-green "

> > -Whey protein

> > -Green tea

> >

> > We have also completely changed his diet, but the tumor continues

> to

> > advance.

> >

> > Please help! Thank you.

> >

>

>

[Guest guest]

,

To be honest I do agree but most people will not eliminate white

flour products and processed foods. It is so sad that people are

poisoning themselves and don't even know it. Also I do agree that all

junk food and drinks should be eliminated.

Darryl

> > Hi,

> >

> > My father was diagnosed 4 months ago with " terminal " bile

> > duct

> > cancer (cholangiocarcinoma). The cancer has spread to his liver

> > (tumor is about 10cm across). He is receiving a chemo drug called

> > Gemzar. We have changed his diet and given him many supplements

> > (see below). Six weeks ago, he had a CT scan of his liver to

check

> > the effectiveness of the chemo. The scan showed that the tumor

did

> > not grow. We were thrilled. But today, a second scan was

> performed

> > and the results were bad - the tumor continues to grow. Can

> > someone

> > please comment/suggest changes to the protocol we have him on?

> >

> > My father takes daily:

> > -Flaxseed oil + cottage cheese

> > -Ellagic acid and graviola ( " Ellagic Acid Insurance Formula " )

> > - 18

> > pills a day!

> > -MGN-3

> > -Noni juice

> > -Oligomeric proanthocyanidins

> > - " Immune Stasis " - contains astragalus, shiitake, thymus,

> > etc.

> > -Fish oil -

> > -Milk thistle

> > - " Kyolic "

> > -Proteolytic enzymes

> > -Co Q-10

> > -Lipoic acid

> > -Selenium

> > -all the vitamins and minerals

> > - " Kyo-green "

> > -Whey protein

> > -Green tea

> >

> > We have also completely changed his diet, but the tumor continues

> to

> > advance.

> >

> > Please help! Thank you.

>

>

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