Re: drug companies that don't test drugs

[Guest guest]

At 12:01 PM 8/17/03 +0000, you wrote:

>Imagine drug companies pumping

>out drugs which they claimed cured you without ever being tested on

>more than a few people.

Yes, IMAGINE that. That's exactly what they do with vaccines. Which is

why we're in the massive mess we're in right now.

Moe

[Guest guest]

At 12:01 PM 8/17/03 +0000, you wrote:

>Imagine drug companies pumping

>out drugs which they claimed cured you without ever being tested on

>more than a few people.

Yes, IMAGINE that. That's exactly what they do with vaccines. Which is

why we're in the massive mess we're in right now.

Moe

[Guest guest]

Actually you are quie wrong on this, they do have to go through

some very expensive testing before they can be tested on humans and

then on a limited number of humans. Like a lot of drugs however,

the ''real side effects'' often times take years of use before people

discover what they are. Sometimes they are so critical the drug is

removed from the market. For yet others, more warnings are added to

the labels. I accept the fact that we do live in an imperfect world

and since we live in a capitalist society and not the socialist

paradise that some contributors to his group reside in, there is

going to be lots of corruption. There are going to be peddlers of

herbs, rife machines and patent drugs and surgery who will sell you

thier wares even though they know they don't work and that you are

dying. They don't care and that is all there is to it.

We are in the massive mess we are in because the entire medical

apparatus, community, instituitonal empire is based on profit. As

such treatments are designed to ''keep you coming back'', not to cure

you. Who wants to kill the goose that lays the golden eggs, no one!

Pallative care, pallative drugs , pallative treatment, that is the

medical model we live under. A drug company is no more interested in

finding a cure to A disease from which they can derive billons of

dollars from pallative drugs than is an automobile manufacturer in

making a maintenance free auto (more money is made in

the ''aftermarket'' for auto parts and accessories than is made in

selling the auto to begin with).

No one in the medical industry wants you to get well and stay

healthy , it's bad for business. Credit card companies call people

who pay thier bills ''on time'', DEADBEATS and not the other way

around. If you pay your bills on time they can't make any money

from you and afterall , that is why they are in business isn't it?

They don't think it's great when you pay on time because they don't

make any money from you. Doctors don't make money from people who

don't get sick now do they? Neither do drug companies either for that

matter.

I had a nurse friend who worked in the ICU unit of a major

hospital and one weekend the director came in and noticed a bunch of

unused beds and was upset that they were not being used. She told me

she didn't think about it but one afternoon it dawned on her what he

was actually implying. He was upset because there were not enough

sick people. She now sells insurance.

I'm open to a lot of things and think there is a lot more to

complementary and alternative medicine than most have given it credit

for. I'm also very, very skeptical of most conventional medicine as

most of it is as I said merely pallative or worse, makes whatever

problem you have even worse. For example most arthritis drugs ,

although they relieve pain, actually accelerate the destruction of

cartilage and make the disease progress even faster.

Distance medicine? I don't think so. Rife Machines? Hey, you

want to pay 2,000 dollars for a simple 100 dollar signal generator be

my guest.

This site right here is all about selling things. I don't see

anything wrong with it either. I just hope that a lot of you realize

that this is what is going on and don't believe whatever you read

here on this site is true. People generally talk very favorably about

items that they are selling, it's called self interest.

BOB

> >Imagine drug companies pumping

> >out drugs which they claimed cured you without ever being tested on

> >more than a few people.

>

> Yes, IMAGINE that. That's exactly what they do with vaccines.

Which is

> why we're in the massive mess we're in right now.

>

> Moe

[Guest guest]

Actually you are quie wrong on this, they do have to go through

some very expensive testing before they can be tested on humans and

then on a limited number of humans. Like a lot of drugs however,

the ''real side effects'' often times take years of use before people

discover what they are. Sometimes they are so critical the drug is

removed from the market. For yet others, more warnings are added to

the labels. I accept the fact that we do live in an imperfect world

and since we live in a capitalist society and not the socialist

paradise that some contributors to his group reside in, there is

going to be lots of corruption. There are going to be peddlers of

herbs, rife machines and patent drugs and surgery who will sell you

thier wares even though they know they don't work and that you are

dying. They don't care and that is all there is to it.

We are in the massive mess we are in because the entire medical

apparatus, community, instituitonal empire is based on profit. As

such treatments are designed to ''keep you coming back'', not to cure

you. Who wants to kill the goose that lays the golden eggs, no one!

Pallative care, pallative drugs , pallative treatment, that is the

medical model we live under. A drug company is no more interested in

finding a cure to A disease from which they can derive billons of

dollars from pallative drugs than is an automobile manufacturer in

making a maintenance free auto (more money is made in

the ''aftermarket'' for auto parts and accessories than is made in

selling the auto to begin with).

No one in the medical industry wants you to get well and stay

healthy , it's bad for business. Credit card companies call people

who pay thier bills ''on time'', DEADBEATS and not the other way

around. If you pay your bills on time they can't make any money

from you and afterall , that is why they are in business isn't it?

They don't think it's great when you pay on time because they don't

make any money from you. Doctors don't make money from people who

don't get sick now do they? Neither do drug companies either for that

matter.

I had a nurse friend who worked in the ICU unit of a major

hospital and one weekend the director came in and noticed a bunch of

unused beds and was upset that they were not being used. She told me

she didn't think about it but one afternoon it dawned on her what he

was actually implying. He was upset because there were not enough

sick people. She now sells insurance.

I'm open to a lot of things and think there is a lot more to

complementary and alternative medicine than most have given it credit

for. I'm also very, very skeptical of most conventional medicine as

most of it is as I said merely pallative or worse, makes whatever

problem you have even worse. For example most arthritis drugs ,

although they relieve pain, actually accelerate the destruction of

cartilage and make the disease progress even faster.

Distance medicine? I don't think so. Rife Machines? Hey, you

want to pay 2,000 dollars for a simple 100 dollar signal generator be

my guest.

This site right here is all about selling things. I don't see

anything wrong with it either. I just hope that a lot of you realize

that this is what is going on and don't believe whatever you read

here on this site is true. People generally talk very favorably about

items that they are selling, it's called self interest.

BOB

> >Imagine drug companies pumping

> >out drugs which they claimed cured you without ever being tested on

> >more than a few people.

>

> Yes, IMAGINE that. That's exactly what they do with vaccines.

Which is

> why we're in the massive mess we're in right now.

>

> Moe

[Guest guest]

> Actually you are quie wrong on this, they do have to go

through

> some very expensive testing before they can be tested on humans and

> then on a limited number of humans.

Actually, I'm quite correct. No cost-benefit analysis is ever done

on any vaccine, ever, period. Pharmaceutical drugs require this in

order to enter the market, vaccines don't.

Moe

[Guest guest]

> Actually you are quie wrong on this, they do have to go

through

> some very expensive testing before they can be tested on humans and

> then on a limited number of humans.

Actually, I'm quite correct. No cost-benefit analysis is ever done

on any vaccine, ever, period. Pharmaceutical drugs require this in

order to enter the market, vaccines don't.

Moe

[Guest guest]

Vaccines have to be tested. I didn't say anything about a cost

benefit analysis because that is not what we were discussing. Drug

companies are not allowed to just make something and start injecting

it into the general public without any testing at all. You are

pushing this conversation to the limits of the absurd. By doing so

you are not making a good case for yourself.

BOB

> > Actually you are quie wrong on this, they do have to go

> through

> > some very expensive testing before they can be tested on humans

and

> > then on a limited number of humans.

>

> Actually, I'm quite correct. No cost-benefit analysis is ever done

> on any vaccine, ever, period. Pharmaceutical drugs require this in

> order to enter the market, vaccines don't.

>

> Moe

[Guest guest]

Vaccines have to be tested. I didn't say anything about a cost

benefit analysis because that is not what we were discussing. Drug

companies are not allowed to just make something and start injecting

it into the general public without any testing at all. You are

pushing this conversation to the limits of the absurd. By doing so

you are not making a good case for yourself.

BOB

> > Actually you are quie wrong on this, they do have to go

> through

> > some very expensive testing before they can be tested on humans

and

> > then on a limited number of humans.

>

> Actually, I'm quite correct. No cost-benefit analysis is ever done

> on any vaccine, ever, period. Pharmaceutical drugs require this in

> order to enter the market, vaccines don't.

>

> Moe