Re: Glyoxylide/ reply to Dave by Dr.B./reply to Vince

March 3, 2003

Vince,

Hi. OK...I was told by a patient who said they had discussed it with

you and that you were giving info on it and

told them it was Sigma Chemical who had it...I am with you and feel it

is a rip off totally...I don't know anyone who

ever got the results Koch claimed...don't know the reasons (which are

probably many) either...

Are you going to the Foundational Medicine Conference in Phoenix? I'll

have a booth there and you need to stop

by and say hi...

CB

***************

VGammill wrote:

>Carolyn,

> I don't sell glyoxylide and never have. I do find it very interesting

>and have been paying attention to the different chemicals out there that are

>being called glyoxylide. I don't know of anyone who is getting the results

>that Dr. Koch apparently did.

> There are a number of people selling " glyoxylide " and if I were

>interested in purchasing it I would certainly ask for the name of the exact

>chemical compound being used. Sigma lists nothing by that name and

>glyoxylide is not listed in the Merck Index. I don't know of a CAS number

>for glyoxylide. I would ask the manufacturer for the CAS number.

> Dosage seems important too. Koch often used amounts that were so small

>they could be considered homeopathic. If this is the case then the prices

>should certainly be dirt cheap.

>Sincerely,

>

> Re: Glyoxylide/ reply to Dave by Dr.B.

>

>>Dear :

>>Greetings. Yes, made it for many years--he has an interesting

>>chemistry background also. My business collegue has a stock of

>>vials he made her more than 2 years ago, although because of his

>>unstable lifestyle and moving around alot it is not easy to catch up

>>with him. I know that Gammil in TJ was selling it or

>>recommending it to patients. It is basically made by Sigma Chemical I

>>believe now and is being researched now I believe in Africa or somewhere

>>for its anticancer properties. my business collegue had RA and

>>several other things going on and after thousands of dollars didn't

>>notice anything at all...wasted $$. Being , you never know what

>>exactly you're getting would be my take on things...so its possible it

>>was something different.

>>

>>I have several copies of " The Surval Factor in Neoplastic and Viral

>>Diseases " by Koch and while I think that it may have been a good

>>product, I don't know how it would work with all the EMF and frequencies

>>around which could affect how it works anyway. Being that it is illegal

>>in the US, making it available is somewhat of a dicey proposition.

>>

>>Breath of Life International may be someone in TJ or elsewhere trying to

>>sell it...dangerous these days with Operation CureAll, etc. being so

>>active and the FEDS shutting down websites right and left...??

>>

>>Dr.Bormann

>>**************

>>

>>davidmshore wrote:

>>

>>>I recently received in the mail a brochure from " Breath of Life

>>>International " offering, among other things, Glyoxylide--(the

>>>legenday cancer cure medicine created by Dr. Koch in the '30s). I

>>>always thought it was no longer available. The brochure

>>>indicates www.homozon.ebz.com as its web site (it doesn't

>>>exist). This perhaps is all related to Freibott and the

>>>archives on oxytherapies.com. Has anyone had any dealings

>>>with or know about the legitimacy of any of the above? Could they

>>>actually have Glyoxylide?

>>>

>

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March 3, 2003

Vince,

Hi. OK...I was told by a patient who said they had discussed it with

you and that you were giving info on it and

told them it was Sigma Chemical who had it...I am with you and feel it

is a rip off totally...I don't know anyone who

ever got the results Koch claimed...don't know the reasons (which are

probably many) either...

Are you going to the Foundational Medicine Conference in Phoenix? I'll

have a booth there and you need to stop

by and say hi...

CB

***************

VGammill wrote:

>Carolyn,

> I don't sell glyoxylide and never have. I do find it very interesting

>and have been paying attention to the different chemicals out there that are

>being called glyoxylide. I don't know of anyone who is getting the results

>that Dr. Koch apparently did.

> There are a number of people selling " glyoxylide " and if I were

>interested in purchasing it I would certainly ask for the name of the exact

>chemical compound being used. Sigma lists nothing by that name and

>glyoxylide is not listed in the Merck Index. I don't know of a CAS number

>for glyoxylide. I would ask the manufacturer for the CAS number.

> Dosage seems important too. Koch often used amounts that were so small

>they could be considered homeopathic. If this is the case then the prices

>should certainly be dirt cheap.

>Sincerely,

>

> Re: Glyoxylide/ reply to Dave by Dr.B.

>

>>Dear :

>>Greetings. Yes, made it for many years--he has an interesting

>>chemistry background also. My business collegue has a stock of

>>vials he made her more than 2 years ago, although because of his

>>unstable lifestyle and moving around alot it is not easy to catch up

>>with him. I know that Gammil in TJ was selling it or

>>recommending it to patients. It is basically made by Sigma Chemical I

>>believe now and is being researched now I believe in Africa or somewhere

>>for its anticancer properties. my business collegue had RA and

>>several other things going on and after thousands of dollars didn't

>>notice anything at all...wasted $$. Being , you never know what

>>exactly you're getting would be my take on things...so its possible it

>>was something different.

>>

>>I have several copies of " The Surval Factor in Neoplastic and Viral

>>Diseases " by Koch and while I think that it may have been a good

>>product, I don't know how it would work with all the EMF and frequencies

>>around which could affect how it works anyway. Being that it is illegal

>>in the US, making it available is somewhat of a dicey proposition.

>>

>>Breath of Life International may be someone in TJ or elsewhere trying to

>>sell it...dangerous these days with Operation CureAll, etc. being so

>>active and the FEDS shutting down websites right and left...??

>>

>>Dr.Bormann

>>**************

>>

>>davidmshore wrote:

>>

>>>I recently received in the mail a brochure from " Breath of Life

>>>International " offering, among other things, Glyoxylide--(the

>>>legenday cancer cure medicine created by Dr. Koch in the '30s). I

>>>always thought it was no longer available. The brochure

>>>indicates www.homozon.ebz.com as its web site (it doesn't

>>>exist). This perhaps is all related to Freibott and the

>>>archives on oxytherapies.com. Has anyone had any dealings

>>>with or know about the legitimacy of any of the above? Could they

>>>actually have Glyoxylide?

>>>

>

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>

March 3, 2003

Carolyn,

Sigma has benzoquinone, rhodozonic acid (rhodizonic acid), shown on page

90 of The Survival Factor. It does not list the others though. There was

quite a bit of controversy many years ago as to whether some of these

compounds could exist. Perhaps they do in metastable forms or perhaps he

was complexing carbonyl functional groups with actived amines to form the

azomethines that he writes about. I might make some if I am convinced that

this is what he was doing.

I doubt that I will go to Phoenix. Is there there anything special

about this conference? I normally prefer technical conclaves over the

clinical.

Re: Glyoxylide/ reply to Dave by Dr.B.

> >

> >>Dear :

> >>Greetings. Yes, made it for many years--he has an interesting

> >>chemistry background also. My business collegue has a stock of

> >>vials he made her more than 2 years ago, although because of his

> >>unstable lifestyle and moving around alot it is not easy to catch up

> >>with him. I know that Gammil in TJ was selling it or

> >>recommending it to patients. It is basically made by Sigma Chemical I

> >>believe now and is being researched now I believe in Africa or somewhere

> >>for its anticancer properties. my business collegue had RA and

> >>several other things going on and after thousands of dollars didn't

> >>notice anything at all...wasted $$. Being , you never know what

> >>exactly you're getting would be my take on things...so its possible it

> >>was something different.

> >>

> >>I have several copies of " The Surval Factor in Neoplastic and Viral

> >>Diseases " by Koch and while I think that it may have been a good

> >>product, I don't know how it would work with all the EMF and frequencies

> >>around which could affect how it works anyway. Being that it is illegal

> >>in the US, making it available is somewhat of a dicey proposition.

> >>

> >>Breath of Life International may be someone in TJ or elsewhere trying to

> >>sell it...dangerous these days with Operation CureAll, etc. being so

> >>active and the FEDS shutting down websites right and left...??

> >>

> >>Dr.Bormann

> >>**************

> >>

> >>davidmshore wrote:

> >>

> >>>I recently received in the mail a brochure from " Breath of Life

> >>>International " offering, among other things, Glyoxylide--(the

> >>>legenday cancer cure medicine created by Dr. Koch in the '30s). I

> >>>always thought it was no longer available. The brochure

> >>>indicates www.homozon.ebz.com as its web site (it doesn't

> >>>exist). This perhaps is all related to Freibott and the

> >>>archives on oxytherapies.com. Has anyone had any dealings

> >>>with or know about the legitimacy of any of the above? Could they

> >>>actually have Glyoxylide?

> >>>

> >

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> >

March 3, 2003

Carolyn,

Sigma has benzoquinone, rhodozonic acid (rhodizonic acid), shown on page

90 of The Survival Factor. It does not list the others though. There was

quite a bit of controversy many years ago as to whether some of these

compounds could exist. Perhaps they do in metastable forms or perhaps he

was complexing carbonyl functional groups with actived amines to form the

azomethines that he writes about. I might make some if I am convinced that

this is what he was doing.

I doubt that I will go to Phoenix. Is there there anything special

about this conference? I normally prefer technical conclaves over the

clinical.

Re: Glyoxylide/ reply to Dave by Dr.B.

> >

> >>Dear :

> >>Greetings. Yes, made it for many years--he has an interesting

> >>chemistry background also. My business collegue has a stock of

> >>vials he made her more than 2 years ago, although because of his

> >>unstable lifestyle and moving around alot it is not easy to catch up

> >>with him. I know that Gammil in TJ was selling it or

> >>recommending it to patients. It is basically made by Sigma Chemical I

> >>believe now and is being researched now I believe in Africa or somewhere

> >>for its anticancer properties. my business collegue had RA and

> >>several other things going on and after thousands of dollars didn't

> >>notice anything at all...wasted $$. Being , you never know what

> >>exactly you're getting would be my take on things...so its possible it

> >>was something different.

> >>

> >>I have several copies of " The Surval Factor in Neoplastic and Viral

> >>Diseases " by Koch and while I think that it may have been a good

> >>product, I don't know how it would work with all the EMF and frequencies

> >>around which could affect how it works anyway. Being that it is illegal

> >>in the US, making it available is somewhat of a dicey proposition.

> >>

> >>Breath of Life International may be someone in TJ or elsewhere trying to

> >>sell it...dangerous these days with Operation CureAll, etc. being so

> >>active and the FEDS shutting down websites right and left...??

> >>

> >>Dr.Bormann

> >>**************

> >>

> >>davidmshore wrote:

> >>

> >>>I recently received in the mail a brochure from " Breath of Life

> >>>International " offering, among other things, Glyoxylide--(the

> >>>legenday cancer cure medicine created by Dr. Koch in the '30s). I

> >>>always thought it was no longer available. The brochure

> >>>indicates www.homozon.ebz.com as its web site (it doesn't

> >>>exist). This perhaps is all related to Freibott and the

> >>>archives on oxytherapies.com. Has anyone had any dealings

> >>>with or know about the legitimacy of any of the above? Could they

> >>>actually have Glyoxylide?

> >>>

> >

> >Get HUGE info at http://www.cures for cancer.ws, and post your own links there.

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> >

March 3, 2003

For the Glyoxylide discussion group :

I worked for a man 55years ago in , Alberta, Canada. His wife had

breast cancer, which he said, was very ugly looking. She was treated with

Dr.Koch's glyoxylide and the breast returned to normal. At that time the

glyoxylide treatment could be obtained from a Dr.Galbtaith, in Calgary, who

used the Koch serum.

This man, for whom I worked, was a member of the Alberta Government

Legislature, having been

elected to office in 1935 and remianed a member for about 20 years.

This is the story he told me about Dr.Koch's glyoxylide - Five

or six memebrs of the Social Credit Caucus had learned of the " Koch

Treatment " , as it was called in those days, and some had, or knew of

successes with it in treating cancer, so they prevailed upon the government

to have a study done on it, and invite Dr.Koch to come to Alberta.

Apparently there was a lack of co-operation from the Alberta Medical

Society, but

that was finally overcome, and the way was then prepared for Dr. Koch to

come. At

the last minute he was prevented from coming by the United States

authorities. That was the end of the attempt to have a study done by the

provincial government. Dr. Koch, so I read later, eventually went to Brazil

where he carried out further

research on glyoxylide.

This man also told me that the wife of the man, who was head of the Dowe

Chemical Company, was treated successfully by glyoxylide, and he supported

Dr. Koch in his work. Dr Hale... Dowe Chemical Company, said this of

Dr.Koch - " Dr. Frederick Koch is the modern Pasteur " .

I still have in my possession 3 books which I bought at that time.

1. " The Koch Treatment " --- The Koch treatment relieves suffering - a

series of papers on the new science of the treatment of disease.

2. " The New Science in the Treatment of Disease " - a symposium on the

subject. This book contains this statement - A letter to Dr.Koch by

Dr.A.R.Mitchel, member of the Board of Trustees of the American Medical

Association - " I hope that a little more time will prove that your work is

really epoch -making work and that you will ultimately secure the full

credit and profit to which your service entitiles you " - November 12th,1924

3. " The Koch Treatment " - a record of results.

I also have an extensive report from the Lethbridge, Alberta , " Lethbridge

Herald " , September 11th, 1941, which reports on the hearings held to review

the " Koch Remedy for Cancer " , and the claims for cures from local and

other cancer patients. Witnesses from the district told of miraculous cures

in cancer, skin and other diseases. However, the organizing committee

charged, with neglect, the Provincial Health Minister for failing to appear

at the hearings. Another Doctor failed to report honestly on this local

hearing. The organizer of the hearings stated that it had been handled very

badly by the government health department.

If you search Google for " Dr. Frederick Koch " you will find

abundance of info on this great man. Also search for " Glyoxylide " for much

info on the successes of Dr.Koch's treatment, and for info on the Hoxsey

Clinic using the Dr.Koch's glyoxylide, Gaston Nassen's 714-X, and the Rife

radio therapy.

B.

Re: Glyoxylide/ reply to Dave by Dr.B.

> > >

> > >>Dear :

> > >>Greetings. Yes, made it for many years--he has an interesting

> > >>chemistry background also. My business collegue has a stock of

> > >>vials he made her more than 2 years ago, although because of his

> > >>unstable lifestyle and moving around alot it is not easy to catch up

> > >>with him. I know that Gammil in TJ was selling it or

> > >>recommending it to patients. It is basically made by Sigma Chemical I

> > >>believe now and is being researched now I believe in Africa or

somewhere

> > >>for its anticancer properties. my business collegue had RA and

> > >>several other things going on and after thousands of dollars didn't

> > >>notice anything at all...wasted $$. Being , you never know what

> > >>exactly you're getting would be my take on things...so its possible it

> > >>was something different.

> > >>

> > >>I have several copies of " The Surval Factor in Neoplastic and Viral

> > >>Diseases " by Koch and while I think that it may have been a good

> > >>product, I don't know how it would work with all the EMF and

frequencies

> > >>around which could affect how it works anyway. Being that it is

illegal

> > >>in the US, making it available is somewhat of a dicey proposition.

> > >>

> > >>Breath of Life International may be someone in TJ or elsewhere trying

to

> > >>sell it...dangerous these days with Operation CureAll, etc. being so

> > >>active and the FEDS shutting down websites right and left...??

> > >>

> > >>Dr.Bormann

> > >>**************

> > >>

> > >>davidmshore wrote:

> > >>

> > >>>I recently received in the mail a brochure from " Breath of Life

> > >>>International " offering, among other things, Glyoxylide--(the

> > >>>legenday cancer cure medicine created by Dr. Koch in the '30s). I

> > >>>always thought it was no longer available. The brochure

> > >>>indicates www.homozon.ebz.com as its web site (it doesn't

> > >>>exist). This perhaps is all related to Freibott and the

> > >>>archives on oxytherapies.com. Has anyone had any dealings

> > >>>with or know about the legitimacy of any of the above? Could they

> > >>>actually have Glyoxylide?

> > >>>

> > >

> > >Get HUGE info at http://www.cures for cancer.ws, and post your own links

there.

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March 3, 2003