Re: O.T. Passing on Bypass Surgery

[Guest guest]

Why not just do Dr. Linus ing's Vit C, Lysine therapy plus the Proline Dr

Rath suggests. Costs a lot less than this new therapy and I don't think I would

want this treatment anymore than a bypass. Dr. ing in his video which I

have, states that it is effective. You can purchase the video here and learn

more about the ing therapy

http://www.paulingtherapy.com/

For a lot of information on this method, Dr. Rath's site is:

http://www.dr-rath-research.org/home/index.php He worked for years with Dr.

ing and is fighting very hard to keep our vitamins from being controlled by

the government with the pharmaceutical cartels paying lots of money through its

lobbyists.

I have copied and pasted an article from my files;

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B-12 B-6 FOLIC ACID

A recent study points to a connection between high blood levels of

homocysteine and the risk of death from heart disease. Folic acid is

thought to protect against heart disease because it breaks down

homocysteine and allows it to be cleared from the blood. Vitamins B6 and

B12 also influence homocysteine levels. It is believed that folic acid and

vitamins B6 and B12 work together to bring blood homocysteine levels down.

When these vitamins are scarce, homocysteine levels can build up over time

and damage the cardiovascular system. Growing evidence that folic acid may

prevent heart attacks has led to recommendations that people consume at

least 400 mcg of folic acid and 3 mg of vitamin B6 per day. Those with the

lowest folic acid levels were 69% more likely to die of a coronary problem

Inadequate intake of folic acid is the main determinant of the

homocysteine-related increase in the risk of carotid blockage. In 1999

Canadian investigators reported that among more than 5000 men and women who

participated in a national nutrition survey, those in the quarter of the

group with the lowest folic acid levels were 69% more likely to die of a

coronary problem than those in the quartile with the greatest stores of the

vitamin (JAMA, vol. 275, pp.1893- 1895).

While it is relatively easy to get additional folate (the form of folic

acid found in foods) through the diet by green leafy vegetables, beans and

citrus fruits, the typical North American diet only provides us with

roughly 150-200 micrograms of folate per day. In its food form, folate is

not always absorbed well enough by the body to ensure adequate levels in

the blood. In comparison, folic acid added in foods and supplements is

absorbed better. Yet folic acid supplements can mask pernicious anemia, a

vitamin B12 deficiency which is a particular problem the elderly. If left

untreated it can lead to neurological damage. Because of this, if

supplementation is the route of choice, it is preferable to supplement with

folic acid and vitamins B6 and B12 rather than just folic acid. For best

absorption, a sub lingual tablet is recommended.

Folic acid produces many health benefits. The Journal of the American

Medical Association says that folic acid can prevent atherosclerosis caused

by hyperhomocysteinemia. It is depleted through the use of many

prescription drugs.

Folic acid is a member of the B complex and is often deficient in the diet.

Folic acid helps protect the chromosomes, is needed for the utilization of

sugar and amino acids, promotes healthier skin and helps protect against

intestinal parasites and food poisoning. The United States RDA of 400 mcgs

is what is needed for optimal health. Studies show that folic acid in high

doses can protect a body from cardiovascular disease. The FDA has finally

allowed the claim that Folic acid can prevent Spina Bifida, and that women

of child-bearing age should have more folic acid in their diet.

Folic acid should be taken with Vitamin-B12 to prevent the folic acid from

masking a B12 deficiency. Many elderly people suffering from neurological

impairment find that B12 supplementation greatly improves their cognitive

function. Published studies show that Vitamin-B12 in supplement form

absorbs better in elderly people than Vitamin-B12 that is bound to food.

Those taking folic acid powder should add Vitamin-B12 powder to their daily

folic acid powder supplement.

The following prescription drugs are some of those that deplete Folic

acid:

Aspirin

Barbiturates

Choline magnesium and salisylates

Corticosteroids

NSAIDS

Oral contraceptives

Primidone

Ranitidine (Tritec)

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Here is another one

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Prevent Heart Attacks for Pennies a Day

Using Vitamin B6

ph G. Hattersley - February 8, 2000

2,978 words

Vitamin B6 ( " pyridoxine " ) is multi-talented. It helps against

weakened immunity, Alzheimer's disease, birth defects, cancer, arthritis,

diabetes (see below), now even nerve deafness, and more.

(A) This article concentrates on one of the vitamin's most important

abilities. That is, its remarkable, yet largely ignored, success in preventing

and curing America's worst killers and disablers: cardiovascular disease (CVD).

( It shows that pharmaceutical grade B6 opens the door to unprecedented future

progress in curing as well as preventing CVD. Given proper nutrition, the heart

is the most responsive organ in the entire body.

The track record: (1) Thousands took 50-200 milligrams of vitamin B6 daily for

many years, guided by the distinguished general practitioner/researcher

n Ellis, MD, of Mt. Pleasant, TX. They had 73% fewer chest pains and heart

attacks than abstainers, lived 7-17 years longer, and enjoyed better health.[1]

(2) Among 80,082 women followed for 20 years in the Nurses' Health

Study, for each 2-milligram increase in B6 consumption, heart attack risk

dropped 17 percent.[2] If we can assume that ratio, an increase of 8 milligrams

in B6 intake might lower heart attacks by 68 percent.

(3) In the 10-year Atherosclerosis Risk in Communities (ARIC) Study, people in

the highest quintile of plasma B6 had 72 percent lower heart attack risk than

those in the lowest quintile of plasma B6. After accounting for other risk

factors, only vitamin B6 was associated with coronary heart disease

incidence.[3]

Notice how closely the three findings correspond: 73%, 68% and 72%.

The aim of this paper is to explain these striking results, to analyze their

huge unrecognized implications, and to show the reader how to put the knowledge

to use.

________________________________________________________________

Sidebar: One study with such a remarkable result could have been, and was,

dismissed as only a fluke. But not three. However, drug companies and mainline

physicians are unlikely ever to promote vitamin B6 as the way to avoid heart at-

NOTICE: This paper presents research information; nothing in it should be

construed as advice. Consult health practitioner for your individual needs.

Copyright © 2000 by ph G. Hattersley

tacks. They cannot make a lot of money doing that.

More important to them--in place of profitable prescription patent

drugs and the giant money-spinner cardiac bypass surgery, it would substitute an

inexpensive home remedy. Among those using the method we propose, the profitable

category, " heart patients, " could largely disappear from doctors' offices, and

along with them the specialty known as cardiology. Who would need a

cardiologist?

And so, since no one else will push us to do what is right for our

own health, it is up to each of us as an individual to take advantage of these

benefits.

ARIC study results suggest that within about two generations,

moderately increased fortification of the food supply with B6 might decimate the

20th cen-

tury's epidemic of heart attacks, strokes, and cardiac arrests. After tests with

slow-release B6, biochemical pathologist W.J. Serfontein predicts that (a) 5-6

mg

per day-consumed throughout life--would suffice (except for heart patients), and

( adults could obtain this amount from fortified foods.[4] But do not hold

your breath waiting for such fortification to begin. Many other nutrients should

be supplemented; and sensible diet is assumed, in a " biochemical symphony. "

B6 is more deficient than other vitamins, particularly among older people and

pregnant women.[5] Why? It participates in metabolism of all amino acids; 400

enzyme systems require it. Fats, which supply 30-40% of diet calories, contain

no water-soluble B vitamins. Foods grown on depleted soils lack micronutrients,

including B6. Much of the vitamin is lost in processing, storage, transport, and

cooking. Heavy sugar consumption--149 pounds per person per year in America[6]

--depletes B6 from the body;[7] substances in air, food and medicines[8] destroy

it inside our bodies and increase our need for it. Stress depletes it,[9]

cigarette smoke antagonizes it.

________________________________________________________________

Sidebar: I propose that high intake of vitamin B6 in fresh fruits and

vegetables, rather than red wine, may well explain the " French paradox " : low

heart attack rate despite high consumption of fatty foods.

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Two physicians pioneered the way: Dr. n Ellis (1 above) began in 1962

to treat carpal tunnel syndrome (CTS) and tenosynovitis, a form of

osteoarthritis, using 50-200 mg daily. About 80%-85% of CTS cases respond to

pyridoxine hydrochloride, the form of B6 found in most supplements. Many others

do well on pyridoxal phosphate (PLP), the form of B6 that is active in the

body.[10] The few who suffered heart attacks had symptoms of advanced B6

deficiency: CTS, numbness, tingling and edema in arms, hands and fingers,

diabetes, etc.[11]

He found, too, that supplemented B6 usually prevented adult onset

diabetes and diabetic retinopathy;[12] diabetics are 2-4 times more likely than

others to develop stroke and heart disease.[13] See also below.

Moses M. Suzman, MD, a highly regarded neurologist and internist in

Johannesburg, South Africa, hypothesized pandemic functional B6 deficiency as

the principal cause of CVD. In 1950 he had begun to advise every non-cardiac

patient referred to him, to take 100 mg of B6 every day for the rest of their

lives as a preventive. One needs much more of the vitamin to reverse existing

arterial damage, than when ingesting

it________________________________________________________________

Sidebar: What is functional deficiency? In a group of 64 healthy middle-aged

people, 94 percent had normal serum B6, B12 and folate. But in 63% of them,

elevated serum metabolites revealed intracellular deficiency of those three

vitamins.[14]

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In 1969 Dr. Suzman started cardiac patients on 200 milligrams of B6,

half in B complex (diabetic heart patients added a third 100 mg), 5 mg folate,

100-600 IU vitamin E; the drug Inderal for only a short time; and a

semivegetarian diet for the rest of their lives.[15] [16] In 1972 he added

vitamin C, selenium, magnesium, etc. This therapy reversed arterial blockages.

Some new heart patients lacked pulse in their legs, and venous blood refilled

slowly when an elevated leg was lowered. After a few years on the therapy, blood

flow was normal. " Hundreds and hundreds " of Dr. Suzman's former heart patients

enjoyed improved health for decades.

All arteries are constructed alike. And so the observed relaxation of leg

arteries by B6, always the key in Dr. Suzman's mind, indicated that the vitamin

relaxes and cleanses coronary, carotid, and other blood vessels in both cardiac

and noncardiac patients. Dr. Ellis reached the same conclusion after observing

that pyridoxine softens and rejuvenates muscles, fibers, and arteries in arms

and hands.[17]

In the higher daily quantities up to 500 milligrams now made safe by

use of pharmaceutical grade pyridoxine hydrochloride and pyridoxal phosphate

(see below), it follows that in long-term use, vitamin B6 might well obviate the

need for cardiac bypass surgery.

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Sidebar: Ingesting 50 milligrams of B6 is not feasible in diet. One could get 50

mg from 62 bananas or 9 pounds of raw calf liver.

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How does vitamin B6 accomplish all this? (1) The pro-oxidant, toxic sulfur amino

acid homocysteine (HC) forms in metabolism of the essential amino acid

methionine, which is abundant in red meat, milk, and milk products.[18] Some

people inherit a tendency to hyperhomocysteinemia[19] or an Apoprotein-E4

characteristic,[20] or both, making them particularly susceptible. (An Apo-E4

gene, especially if inherited from both parents, also indicates high risk of

Alzheimer's disease.)

Elevated homocysteine puts one at risk of heart attack without male

gender, indolence, age, diabetes, smoking, or any other conventional risk

factor. It promotes formation of tiny clots that initiate arterial damage,[21]

thromboses that precipitate most heart attacks and strokes,[22] aneurysms,[23]

growth---it produced giant rabbits[24] [25]--and obesity,[26] cancer,[27] and

much more.[28] In its reactive thiolactone form, HC also promotes body synthesis

of " bad " LDL cholesterol and fats in the form of triglycerides;[29] [30] and it

increases vascular smooth muscles,[31] vascular permeability and injury.[32] HC

is also probably involved in the modification of LDL by ingested oxysterols, see

below.[33] [34] It is elevated in persons with a hypothyroid condition,[35] in

multiple sclerosis,[36] acute leukemia,[37] osteoporosis,[38] and autoimmune

diseases of aging.[39]

HC is inflammatory;[40] [41] it also elevates levels of lipoprotein(a).[42]

[43] That integrates this theory with Matthias Rath, MD's hypothesis blaming

heart attacks on high Lp(a) and too-low vitamin C,[44] [45] [46] as does the

fact that adequate vitamin C lowers HC generation by the alternative biochemical

pathway.[47]

B6 cofactors (makes possible) conversion of HC via the transsulfuration pathway

into cystathionine. That in turn transforms into cysteine, which is critical in

detoxification of toxins from diet, water, and environment. Folate and

riboflavin cofactor, and vitamin B12 serves as substrate for, remethylation of

most HC back into methionine, which is not dangerous, given enough B6.

Remethylation is the usually health-promoting addition of a methyl group to a

molecule.

Eight papers published in four countries since 1954 showed--contrary

to biochemical theory-that B6 is an antioxidant, i.e. it removes an O2

molecule.[48] [49] [50] [51] [52] [53] [54] [55] It may also serve an

antioxidant-like function through some effect on the essential enzyme

cystathionine beta-synthase (CBS).[56] (That enzyme is required to enable the

human body to convert ingested pyridoxine into PLP, which it can use.) Vitamin

B6 then joins the carotenes, vitamins C and E, bioflavonoids, coenzyme Q10,

reduced glutathione, etc. in the antioxidant family. The marvelous health

benefits of antioxidants are well known.

(2) Cholesterol and oxygen molecules combine, forming oxysterols.

(a) Food products containing spray-dried powdered egg yolk, powdered milk, or

gelatin, or cooked in heated lard are exposed in processing to oxygen with high

heat.[57] ( Other oxysterols come from HC,[58] © are generated in the body

by trans fatty acids in processed " convenience " foods,[59] (d) and come from

tiny fat particles in pasteurized, homogenized cow milk carried through

digestive system walls with the enzyme xanthine oxidase.[60] [61] (e) Other

oxysterols come from external sources such as chlorinated water.[62]

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Oxysterols from all these sources are linked in my Multi-Source

Oxysterol Injury (MSOI) hypothesis.[63] In the judgment of Jefffrey Bland, PhD,

creator of monthly Functional Medicine Update, MSOI advanced understanding of

atherosclerosis by a decade.

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Normally, like antioxidant cholesterol itself, oxysterols serve a

protective function; but after ingestion of processed foods, their concentration

may reach 1,000 times normal.[64] They become atherogenic, modifying " bad " LDL

cholesterol; they are carcinogenic,[65] and they weaken immunity.[66] HC may

wreak much of its damage through the oxysterols it generates.[67]

(3) Using dark-field (DF) microscopy, Privitera, MD, found

that clots cause 90 percent of strokes and heart attacks, including most spasm

heart attacks and the many heart attacks with clean arteries.[68] [69] >From

1950 to 1965 while heart attacks mushroomed, arterial lesions did not

increase;[70] [71] the major growth was in thrombosis. Stress, smoking, alcohol,

and caffeine promote clotting. Enough B6 resists clot formation.[72] [73]

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Sidebar: Very economical DF microscopy, accompanied by hair mineral test

analysis, obviates the need for many expensive, profitable tests and replaces

much of doctors' well-paid-for decision-making. Lockstep medicine conspires[74]

[75] to ignore-or even nefariously seek to destroy--dark field microscopy.

Mainline medicine conspired to imprison Dr. Privitera as punishment for using

and promoting DF. The governor of California pardoned him after receiving

thousands of appeals from patients and associates. Most physicians, laboratories

and hospitals refuse to check for clots, most of which are anyway undetectable

by conventional methods. Gigantic needless suffering and loss of life

result.[76]

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Yet there is still more to explain vitamin B6's extraordinary successes in

lowering heart attacks. Dr. Ellis, we will recall, found that supplemented B6

usually prevented adult onset diabetes and diabetic retinopathy (blindness).[77]

Diabetics, as a group, are two to four times more likely than others to develop

stroke and heart disease.[78] Type I, juvenile onset diabetics often develop

peripheral vascular disease i.e., arterial clogging in the legs and arms.

Type II, adult onset diabetes--the class of diabetes that Dr. Ellis prevented

with vitamin B6--is now known to be a separate disease. The two types have

different risk factors and separate outcomes. Type II diabetics have elevated

heart disease risk. For them, heart disease supplies the greatest risk of

premature death, especially in women. And so the likelihood of developing stroke

and heart disease is higher for Type II than for diabetics on the whole, which

we cited as double or quadruple the usual risk.[79] How much higher is not yet

known.

(4) The histamine theory of cellular biologist Bruce H. Lipton, PhD,[80] implies

for vitamins C and B6 a protective mechanism against inflammation, which has

recently been recognized as a major factor in heart disease.[81] [82] (Virchow

emphasized inflammation as a cause of heart attacks in the 19th century.[83]

Incidentally, inflammation does not yield well to a surgeon's knife.) Histamine

is not only an allergy trigger; it is also a potent mitogen, a stimulator of

mitosis, i.e. cell division.[84] An accumulation of histamine leads to plaque

formation and inflammation.[85] Inflammation may play a part in Type II

diabetes,[86] and vitamin B6 helps prevent inflammation.[87] Treatment of

diabetic patients with either antihistamines[88] or vitamin B6[89] [90] lessened

vascular leakage and stemmed retinal degeneration-suggesting B6 functions as an

antihistamine.

What about side effects? (1) Use of only pharmaceutical grade B6 is

suggested. Neurological side effects of B6,[91] although exaggerated and

over-publicized, are real; and an excess of the vitamin may lower

bioavailability.[92] The tablet filler can cause side effects. Yet 3,500

volunteers took 200-2,000 mg daily for years at a time--without neuropathy

because they used pharmaceutical grade pyridoxine hydrochloride, PnHCl.[93]

Illustrating the reason for the recommendation to use only pharmaceutical grade

B6-an MD physician with an unrecognized, pre-existing neurological condition

took 200 mg/day of health food store B6 , twice what I suggested to him. He

kicked his wife (involuntarily) in bed at night: the neurological symptom

fasciculation. Consequently, they both abandoned any future potentially valuable

benefits of " alternative " therapies, which might well have averted the doctor's

premature death.

(2) Some people's livers cannot easily convert PnHCl into PLP, the form of B6

that is active in the body. A long-term friend developed itchy skin from 50

mg/day and gave up on B6. One can correct that kind of condition by switching to

PLP (about one-tenth as much suffices[94]), and adding magnesium. Unconverted

pyridoxine can cause severe neurological damage to a prematurely born baby who

inherited this inability to convert,[95] and can predispose such a child to

atherosclerosis in later life.[96]

________________________________________________________________

Sidebar: Where to get pharmaceutical grade B6 and PLP: (1) Vitamin Research

Products, 3579 US Hwy 50E, Carson City NV 89701. 1-800-877-2447; 1-702-884-1300.

www.vrp.com. VRP offers the vitamin in tablets and powder. I use the powder

because it enables me to vary the amount I ingest by small increments. One

person may need 40 times more than another person.[97]

(2) Wholesale Nutrition offers PLP. PO Box 3345, Saratoga, CA 95070.

800-325-2664. Foreign (408) 867-6368. Fax (408) 867-6236.4.

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Addendum 1: Research for this report included 50 telephone conversations 1984-93

and interviews in Johannesburg (April 1992) with Dr. Suzman, who lectured all

over the world but didn't find time to publish much. Kilmer S. McCully, MD, the

world-renowned " father of the homocysteine theory, " wrote on an earlier version

of this document, " Joe, this looks good to me. Best wishes! Kilmer. "

From 1984 to 1991, Dr. McCully and I cooperated in developing my multi-source

oxysterol injury hypothesis of arterial damage (see earlier). He had seen Bruce

, MD's work on arterial damage by oxysterols but not by native

cholesterol,[98] but he didn't yet see how that fitted with his HC theory. He

and A. , PhD, physiologist at Harvard Medical School/Brigham &

Women's Hospital, helped me to put it all together.

Twice I interviewed Dr. McCully in Providence, RI, one time all day, also

meeting Dr. . Countless phone calls and letters followed; sometimes he

phoned me from Providence. Many times he and Dr. offered suggestions to

improve my work. And so, his final blessing is all the more meaningful and

rewarding.

Addendum 2. In an important new theory whose findings should be published,

R. Wenkart, a physician and businessman in Sydney, Australia, correlates

the timing of decline in heart attacks in various countries and regions to the

spread of meat refrigeration during transit, storage and handling.

Biochemical changes in meat, which occur somewhat proportionally to

storage temperature, provoke generation of oxysterols and free radicals. Cooking

meat and fish that had been refrigerated at -20oC (0oC = 32oF) led to only small

generation of oxysterols. But in fish that had been stored at +4oC, the increase

in oxysterols and free radicals during cooking was " very dramatic. " [99]

Decades ago, meat was hung at or near ambient temperature during

transport and until sale; and so under this hypothesis, cooking led to

generation of excess arterial damage-initiating oxysterols and free radicals.

But with refrigeration until sale, the content of these dangerous particles

should have been lowered. Refrigeration in the home is required as well; in the

U.S., penetration of home refrigeration reached 85-90 percent in the 1960s. The

decline in heart attacks should have begun after people who had been raised on

refrigerated meat reached heart-attack age.

Sure enough, in America both refrigeration and cardiac improvement

started first in warm California; cooler parts of the U.S. and still-cooler

Germany launched refrigeration later--and decline in heart attacks began later.

Yet cardiac deaths began to decline in Australia--without any

vitamin fad--before they did in America with its immensely growing vitamin

intake. Why? Australia adopted proper meat refrigeration/handling practices

before America, to meet tough new rules on U.S. imports, and so Australians

consumed such meat before we did.[100] Massive new B6 supplementation, which

Kilmer McCully credited as the principal cause of the improvement, probably

deepened and extended America's decline of heart attacks.

Dr. Wenkart's theory sheds no light on the reasons for the massive

increase in heart attacks from about 1950 to 1965, which was caused, we saw

earlier, almost exclusively by a very large increase in clotting.

ph G. Hattersley

7031 Glen Terra Court SE

Olympia, WA 98503-7119

hattersleyjoseph@... or hattersleyjoseph@...

www.angelfire.com/wa/jhattersley/content.html

************************

Kallie

Kallie , Optimal Life Coach

http://www.4optimallife.com

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O.T. Passing on Bypass Surgery

This is information everyone needs to know about

ASAP!!!!

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[Guest guest]

Balderdash! ing was dead before this was

perfected. Their video is FREE! Yours is costing

people. The validity of the homocysteine blood levels

being reduced by folic acid, B-12, B-6 and

Trimethylglycene has nothing to do with growing new

blood vessels in all of the organs of the body.

Most people receiving this treatment will pay nothing.

Medicare pays it all! But don't worry! No one will

force you or anyone else to have this treatment.

Still, everyday, people are being told that they must

have heart surgery immediately or they

will die. These people then " go under the knife "

never being told that there was a noninvasive

alternative they could have chosen instead. 10-15% of

them do not come out the same as before they went in.

They suffer from cognitive deficit and it does not go

away. They may lose 10 -20 points off of their IQ. I

don't know about the rest of you folks but I don't

feel that I can spare any of mine for the sake of a

phsician's earnings.

Did I mention that I am a wholesale distributor of

wholesale, brandname vitamins. Have been for 8 years.

You could post all day long and not surprise me with

a thing. In that time I have never stooped to peddle

vitamins to dying people online and never will!!-

gerald

-- kallie miller <4optimallife@...> wrote:

> Why not just do Dr. Linus ing's Vit C, Lysine

> therapy plus the Proline Dr Rath suggests. Costs a

> lot less than this new therapy and I don't think I

> would want this treatment anymore than a bypass. Dr.

> ing in his video which I have, states that it is

> effective. You can purchase the video here and

> learn more about the ing therapy

> http://www.paulingtherapy.com/

>

> For a lot of information on this method, Dr. Rath's

> site is:

> http://www.dr-rath-research.org/home/index.php

> He worked for years with Dr. ing and is fighting

> very hard to keep our vitamins from being controlled

> by the government with the pharmaceutical cartels

> paying lots of money through its lobbyists.

>

> I have copied and pasted an article from my files;

>

**********************************************************

> B-12 B-6 FOLIC ACID

>

> A recent study points to a connection between high

> blood levels of

> homocysteine and the risk of death from heart

> disease. Folic acid is

> thought to protect against heart disease because it

> breaks down

> homocysteine and allows it to be cleared from the

> blood. Vitamins B6 and

> B12 also influence homocysteine levels. It is

> believed that folic acid and

> vitamins B6 and B12 work together to bring blood

> homocysteine levels down.

> When these vitamins are scarce, homocysteine levels

> can build up over time

> and damage the cardiovascular system. Growing

> evidence that folic acid may

> prevent heart attacks has led to recommendations

> that people consume at

> least 400 mcg of folic acid and 3 mg of vitamin B6

> per day. Those with the

> lowest folic acid levels were 69% more likely to die

> of a coronary problem

> Inadequate intake of folic acid is the main

> determinant of the

> homocysteine-related increase in the risk of carotid

> blockage. In 1999

> Canadian investigators reported that among more than

> 5000 men and women who

> participated in a national nutrition survey, those

> in the quarter of the

> group with the lowest folic acid levels were 69%

> more likely to die of a

> coronary problem than those in the quartile with the

> greatest stores of the

> vitamin (JAMA, vol. 275, pp.1893- 1895).

>

> While it is relatively easy to get additional folate

> (the form of folic

> acid found in foods) through the diet by green leafy

> vegetables, beans and

> citrus fruits, the typical North American diet only

> provides us with

> roughly 150-200 micrograms of folate per day. In its

> food form, folate is

> not always absorbed well enough by the body to

> ensure adequate levels in

> the blood. In comparison, folic acid added in foods

> and supplements is

> absorbed better. Yet folic acid supplements can mask

> pernicious anemia, a

> vitamin B12 deficiency which is a particular problem

> the elderly. If left

> untreated it can lead to neurological damage.

> Because of this, if

> supplementation is the route of choice, it is

> preferable to supplement with

> folic acid and vitamins B6 and B12 rather than just

> folic acid. For best

> absorption, a sub lingual tablet is recommended.

>

> Folic acid produces many health benefits. The

> Journal of the American

> Medical Association says that folic acid can prevent

> atherosclerosis caused

> by hyperhomocysteinemia. It is depleted through the

> use of many

> prescription drugs.

>

> Folic acid is a member of the B complex and is often

> deficient in the diet.

> Folic acid helps protect the chromosomes, is needed

> for the utilization of

> sugar and amino acids, promotes healthier skin and

> helps protect against

> intestinal parasites and food poisoning. The United

> States RDA of 400 mcgs

> is what is needed for optimal health. Studies show

> that folic acid in high

> doses can protect a body from cardiovascular

> disease. The FDA has finally

> allowed the claim that Folic acid can prevent Spina

> Bifida, and that women

> of child-bearing age should have more folic acid in

> their diet.

>

> Folic acid should be taken with Vitamin-B12 to

> prevent the folic acid from

> masking a B12 deficiency. Many elderly people

> suffering from neurological

> impairment find that B12 supplementation greatly

> improves their cognitive

> function. Published studies show that Vitamin-B12 in

> supplement form

> absorbs better in elderly people than Vitamin-B12

> that is bound to food.

> Those taking folic acid powder should add

> Vitamin-B12 powder to their daily

> folic acid powder supplement.

>

> The following prescription drugs are some of those

> that deplete Folic

> acid:

> Aspirin

> Barbiturates

> Choline magnesium and salisylates

> Corticosteroids

> NSAIDS

> Oral contraceptives

> Primidone

> Ranitidine (Tritec)

> *************************************

>

> Here is another one

>

>

================================================================================\

=========

>

> Prevent Heart Attacks for Pennies a Day

>

> Using Vitamin B6

>

> ph G. Hattersley - February 8, 2000

>

>

> 2,978 words

>

> Vitamin B6 ( " pyridoxine " ) is

> multi-talented. It helps against weakened immunity,

> Alzheimer's disease, birth defects, cancer,

> arthritis, diabetes (see below), now even nerve

> deafness, and more.

>

> (A) This article concentrates on one of the

> vitamin's most important abilities. That is, its

> remarkable, yet largely ignored, success in

> preventing and curing America's worst killers and

> disablers: cardiovascular disease (CVD).

>

>

>

> ( It shows that pharmaceutical grade B6 opens the

> door to unprecedented future progress in curing as

> well as preventing CVD. Given proper nutrition, the

> heart is the most responsive organ in the entire

> body.

>

>

>

> The track record: (1) Thousands took 50-200

> milligrams of vitamin B6 daily for many years,

> guided by the distinguished general

> practitioner/researcher n Ellis, MD, of

> Mt. Pleasant, TX. They had 73% fewer chest pains and

> heart attacks than abstainers, lived 7-17 years

> longer, and enjoyed better health.[1]

>

>

>

> (2) Among 80,082 women followed for 20

> years in the Nurses' Health Study, for each

> 2-milligram increase in B6 consumption, heart attack

> risk dropped 17 percent.[2] If we can assume that

> ratio, an increase of 8 milligrams in B6 intake

> might lower heart attacks by 68 percent.

>

>

>

> (3) In the 10-year Atherosclerosis Risk in

> Communities (ARIC) Study, people in the highest

> quintile of plasma B6 had 72 percent lower heart

> attack risk than those in the lowest quintile of

> plasma B6. After accounting for other risk factors,

> only vitamin B6 was associated with coronary heart

> disease incidence.[3]

>

>

>

> Notice how closely the three findings

> correspond: 73%, 68% and 72%. The aim of this paper

> is to explain these striking results, to analyze

> their huge unrecognized implications, and to show

> the

=== message truncated ===

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Hi Gerald

I appreciate your post on Passing on Bypass Surgery as that is another

choice for people. It looks as if I rattled your chains with my post for which

I apologize. That was not my intent. I wanted to point out that there are

other choices that cost less and are less physician involved. Do you think this

new therapy would be effective for someone who needed a heart bypass immediately

as my friend did. Went in the hospital for tests and had the bypass the next

day. I think that was probably better for him at that time than vitamin

therapy.

I do not sell vitamins or videos and have no connection whatever to these

companies. I merely gave the links for information purposes. I would also

appreciate knowing where one can get the ing video free so I can share that

information.

I have a friend who gave me much of my information on ing. He has

recommended the Vitamin C., Lysine and Proline to four people. They have all

benefited. My own 84 year-old mother benefited greatly from taking the Strauss

Heart Drops as that was her preference over the ing Method and she avoided

surgery.

I am sorry but I have the video of Linus ing telling people what to take

and giving examples of people it had helped. He was suggesting Vit. C and

Lysine. I think it is Dr. Rath who added the proline and I am open to

correction.

People can visit Dr. Mercola's web site for an excellent article on the

value of ing's recommendation by a well-respected physician and learn that

you can clear out your blood vessels of plaque and possibly not need to be

" squeezed " to get new blood vessels nor have by-pass surgery.

http://www.mercola.com/2001/mar/28/linus_pauling.htm

Of course, it is up to everyone to make their own choice about what they

have done to or put in their body. It is also good to know that there are quite

a few choices.

For prevention of heart disease with simple vitamins, see

http://www.doctoryourself.com/hoffer_cardio.html

http://www.doctoryourself.com/dr_rinse.html

Since this is a cancer cure list, people might like to visit this web page

if they haven't already:

http://www.doctoryourself.com/cancer.html

It is obvious we have different opinions Gerald to which we are each

entitled. You would probably choose " squeezing " while I would choose the

vitamin supplements and we would both be responsible for our choices and we both

could improve our health. In my opinion, both of these are better choices than

heart by-pass surgery which often has to be repeated in 10 - 15 years if there

is time for the alternatives.

Kallie

Kallie , Optimal Life Coach

http://www.4optimallife.com

Magnetic Sleep Pads, Zappers,

Ionizing- Alkalizing Water Filters,

Rebounders, Energy Therapies,

Re: O.T. Passing on Bypass Surgery

Balderdash! ing was dead before this was

perfected. Their video is FREE! Yours is costing

people. The validity of the homocysteine blood levels

being reduced by folic acid, B-12, B-6 and

Trimethylglycene has nothing to do with growing new

blood vessels in all of the organs of the body.

Most people receiving this treatment will pay nothing.

Medicare pays it all! But don't worry! No one will

force you or anyone else to have this treatment.

Still, everyday, people are being told that they must

have heart surgery immediately or they

will die. These people then " go under the knife "

never being told that there was a noninvasive

alternative they could have chosen instead. 10-15% of

them do not come out the same as before they went in.

They suffer from cognitive deficit and it does not go

away. They may lose 10 -20 points off of their IQ. I

don't know about the rest of you folks but I don't

feel that I can spare any of mine for the sake of a

phsician's earnings.

Did I mention that I am a wholesale distributor of

wholesale, brandname vitamins. Have been for 8 years.

You could post all day long and not surprise me with

a thing. In that time I have never stooped to peddle

vitamins to dying people online and never will!!-

gerald

-- kallie miller <4optimallife@...> wrote:

> Why not just do Dr. Linus ing's Vit C, Lysine

> therapy plus the Proline Dr Rath suggests. Costs a

> lot less than this new therapy and I don't think I

> would want this treatment anymore than a bypass. Dr.

> snip

[Guest guest]

Kallie

There are a couple of misunderstamdings from my post.

some may be my fault. " Theirs is free " refers to the

EECP video. EECP refers to Enhanced External

Counterpulsation. The name is copyrighted by

Vasomedical who manufacture these machines which apply

the technology. Intial research on this concept

started in the l950's. Development and progress was

slow. Sometime after that, scientists in China became

intrigued with its possibilities and continued to

develop their own counterpulsation devices until

today. At this time there are over 3,000 centers in

China where this now refined technology is used not

just for chronic stable angina but for 63 different

indications, most of which have little to do with the

heart. They use it there to restore stroke victims as

well as patients with peripheral neuropathy from

diabetes, Parkinson's Disease, Erectile Dysfunction

and many other conditions which are regarded as

incurable in this country today. They, of course were

not handicapped by the kind of FDA

that we have in this country today. It took our FDA

over 7 long years to concede the benefits of the 35 x

1 hour treatments which were apparent immediately

after the treatment. That was for the one single

indication of chronic stable angina. Last year

clinical trials were started to prove efficacy in

Congestive Heart Failure at about 20 different centers

in the USA. No patient has ever died from this

treatment. The oldest patient to receive this

treatment was l03 years old. While a few patients

have somehow managed to die of natural causes a couple

of years after this treatment, most were greatly

rejuvenatated by the process. It is a form of

" physical medicine " which

would seem to revitalize the entire patient. Medicare

will pay for a retreatment every two years with the

doctor's prescription and now we come to the problem.

Cardiologists (some not all) are refusing to explain

this option to their patients. They, like your

friend, are rushed into surgery after being told they

will certainly die if they do not agree to the

surgery. 1-3 out of every 100 will die on the table.

Many of these patients had no symptoms before they

died. The reason cardiologists do not bother to tell

patients about a noninvasive alternative may be

financial rather than physical. This must not be

allowed to stand!

There is a wonderful article called " Secret

Cardiology " written by a cardiologist (God bless him)

who addresses this problem, tries to explain it from

the cardiologist's point of view and then advises the

patients on how to defend themselves. I will post it

to this board later and I strongly urge you to read it

and to pass it on to someone with heart disease.

Disclosure: The first thing I thought of when I

discovered this technology was: What would happen if

they administered nutritional supplements while they

underwent this therapy?

The results might be even greater!

Gerald

--- kallie miller <4optimallife@...> wrote:

> Hi Gerald

> I appreciate your post on Passing on Bypass

> Surgery as that is another choice for people. It

> looks as if I rattled your chains with my post for

> which I apologize. That was not my intent. I

> wanted to point out that there are other choices

> that cost less and are less physician involved. Do

> you think this new therapy would be effective for

> someone who needed a heart bypass immediately as my

> friend did. Went in the hospital for tests and had

> the bypass the next day. I think that was probably

> better for him at that time than vitamin therapy.

> I do not sell vitamins or videos and have no

> connection whatever to these companies. I merely

> gave the links for information purposes. I would

> also appreciate knowing where one can get the

> ing video free so I can share that information.

> I have a friend who gave me much of my

> information on ing. He has recommended the

> Vitamin C., Lysine and Proline to four people. They

> have all benefited. My own 84 year-old mother

> benefited greatly from taking the Strauss Heart

> Drops as that was her preference over the ing

> Method and she avoided surgery.

> I am sorry but I have the video of Linus ing

> telling people what to take and giving examples of

> people it had helped. He was suggesting Vit. C and

> Lysine. I think it is Dr. Rath who added the

> proline and I am open to correction.

> People can visit Dr. Mercola's web site for an

> excellent article on the value of ing's

> recommendation by a well-respected physician and

> learn that you can clear out your blood vessels of

> plaque and possibly not need to be " squeezed " to get

> new blood vessels nor have by-pass surgery.

> http://www.mercola.com/2001/mar/28/linus_pauling.htm

>

> Of course, it is up to everyone to make their

> own choice about what they have done to or put in

> their body. It is also good to know that there are

> quite a few choices.

>

> For prevention of heart disease with simple

> vitamins, see

>

> http://www.doctoryourself.com/hoffer_cardio.html

> http://www.doctoryourself.com/dr_rinse.html

>

> Since this is a cancer cure list, people might

> like to visit this web page if they haven't already:

> http://www.doctoryourself.com/cancer.html

>

> It is obvious we have different opinions Gerald

> to which we are each entitled. You would probably

> choose " squeezing " while I would choose the vitamin

> supplements and we would both be responsible for our

> choices and we both could improve our health. In my

> opinion, both of these are better choices than heart

> by-pass surgery which often has to be repeated in 10

> - 15 years if there is time for the alternatives.

>

>

>

> Kallie

>

>

> Kallie , Optimal Life Coach

> http://www.4optimallife.com

> Magnetic Sleep Pads, Zappers,

> Ionizing- Alkalizing Water Filters,

> Rebounders, Energy Therapies,

>

> Re: O.T. Passing on Bypass

> Surgery

>

>

> Balderdash! ing was dead before this was

> perfected. Their video is FREE! Yours is costing

> people. The validity of the homocysteine blood

> levels

> being reduced by folic acid, B-12, B-6 and

> Trimethylglycene has nothing to do with growing

> new

> blood vessels in all of the organs of the body.

>

> Most people receiving this treatment will pay

> nothing.

> Medicare pays it all! But don't worry! No one

> will

> force you or anyone else to have this treatment.

> Still, everyday, people are being told that they

> must

> have heart surgery immediately or they

> will die. These people then " go under the knife "

> never being told that there was a noninvasive

> alternative they could have chosen instead.

> 10-15% of

> them do not come out the same as before they went

> in.

> They suffer from cognitive deficit and it does not

> go

> away. They may lose 10 -20 points off of their

> IQ. I

> don't know about the rest of you folks but I don't

> feel that I can spare any of mine for the sake of

> a

> phsician's earnings.

> Did I mention that I am a wholesale distributor of

> wholesale, brandname vitamins. Have been for 8

> years.

> You could post all day long and not surprise me

> with

> a thing. In that time I have never stooped to

> peddle

> vitamins to dying people online and never will!!-

>

> gerald

> -- kallie miller <4optimallife@...> wrote:

> > Why not just do Dr. Linus ing's Vit C,

> Lysine

> > therapy plus the Proline Dr Rath suggests.

> Costs a

> > lot less than this new therapy and I don't think

> I

> > would want this treatment anymore than a bypass.

> Dr.

> > snip

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

>

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

I'm sorry but I'm missing something here - I thought this was a cures for cancer

discussion group and all I have been receiving is by-pass and anti vaccine &

political action activists letters. My delete button is wearing out. I'm

sure your cause is just but I am busy fighting for answers to surviving

cancer and no other malady.

Re: O.T. Passing on Bypass

> > Surgery

> >

> >

> > Balderdash! ing was dead before this was

> > perfected. Their video is FREE! Yours is costing

> > people. The validity of the homocysteine blood

> > levels

> > being reduced by folic acid, B-12, B-6 and

> > Trimethylglycene has nothing to do with growing

> > new

> > blood vessels in all of the organs of the body.

> >

> > Most people receiving this treatment will pay

> > nothing.

> > Medicare pays it all! But don't worry! No one

> > will

> > force you or anyone else to have this treatment.

> > Still, everyday, people are being told that they

> > must

> > have heart surgery immediately or they

> > will die. These people then " go under the knife "

> > never being told that there was a noninvasive

> > alternative they could have chosen instead.

> > 10-15% of

> > them do not come out the same as before they went

> > in.

> > They suffer from cognitive deficit and it does not

> > go

> > away. They may lose 10 -20 points off of their

> > IQ. I

> > don't know about the rest of you folks but I don't

> > feel that I can spare any of mine for the sake of

> > a

> > phsician's earnings.

> > Did I mention that I am a wholesale distributor of

> > wholesale, brandname vitamins. Have been for 8

> > years.

> > You could post all day long and not surprise me

> > with

> > a thing. In that time I have never stooped to

> > peddle

> > vitamins to dying people online and never will!!-

> >

> > gerald

> > -- kallie miller <4optimallife@...> wrote:

> > > Why not just do Dr. Linus ing's Vit C,

> > Lysine

> > > therapy plus the Proline Dr Rath suggests.

> > Costs a

> > > lot less than this new therapy and I don't think

> > I

> > > would want this treatment anymore than a bypass.

> > Dr.

> > > snip

> >

> >

> > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > removed]

> >

> >

>

>

>

> __________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the clarification Gerald. For those interested, here are some web

sites describing the procedure

http://cardiology.ucsf.edu/clinical/eecp/

http://www.viahealth.org/rgh/departments/cardiac/rochestereecpcenter.htm

Some on the list might be interested in what Dr. Mercola has to say regarding

this procedure.

http://www.mercola.com/2001/jul/14/heart_therapy.htm

Kallie

Kallie , Optimal Life Coach

http://www.4optimallife.com

Magnetic Sleep Pads, Zappers,

Ionizing- Alkalizing Water Filters,

Rebounders, Energy Therapies,

Re: O.T. Passing on Bypass

> Surgery

>

>

> Balderdash! ing was dead before this was

> perfected. Their video is FREE! Yours is costing

> people. The validity of the homocysteine blood

> levels

> being reduced by folic acid, B-12, B-6 and

> Trimethylglycene has nothing to do with growing

> new

> blood vessels in all of the organs of the body.

>

> Most people receiving this treatment will pay

> nothing.

> Medicare pays it all! But don't worry! No one

> will

> force you or anyone else to have this treatment.

> Still, everyday, people are being told that they

> must

> have heart surgery immediately or they

> will die. These people then " go under the knife "

> never being told that there was a noninvasive

> alternative they could have chosen instead.

> 10-15% of

> them do not come out the same as before they went

> in.

> They suffer from cognitive deficit and it does not

> go

> away. They may lose 10 -20 points off of their

> IQ. I

> don't know about the rest of you folks but I don't

> feel that I can spare any of mine for the sake of

> a

> phsician's earnings.

> Did I mention that I am a wholesale distributor of

> wholesale, brandname vitamins. Have been for 8

> years.

> You could post all day long and not surprise me

> with

> a thing. In that time I have never stooped to

> peddle

> vitamins to dying people online and never will!!-

>

> gerald

> -- kallie miller <4optimallife@...> wrote:

> > Why not just do Dr. Linus ing's Vit C,

> Lysine

> > therapy plus the Proline Dr Rath suggests.

> Costs a

> > lot less than this new therapy and I don't think

> I

> > would want this treatment anymore than a bypass.

> Dr.

> > snip

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

>

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Commonly accepted protocol for going " off topic "

on any message board is to head up your post with an

" O.T. " which warns the readers so they may simply skip

past the post if they choose. I'm sorry you find

deleting messages so inconvenient.

But I think your message has to be aimed more at

the multitudinous political messages that occur here

daily which do not carry an " off topic " warning,

rather than mine.

Best advise? Ask the board moderater to block the

sending of any of my posts to you and/or that of the

other fellow who you may perceive as a nuisance.

Best advise for cancer? cancermed.com

Gerald

--- Norman <stormn1@...> wrote:

> I'm sorry but I'm missing something here - I thought

> this was a cures for cancer

> discussion group and all I have been receiving is

> by-pass and anti vaccine &

> political action activists letters. My delete

> button is wearing out. I'm

> sure your cause is just but I am busy fighting for

> answers to surviving

> cancer and no other malady.

>

> Re: O.T. Passing on Bypass

> Surgery

> >

> >

> > Kallie

> >

> > There are a couple of misunderstamdings from my

> post.

> > some may be my fault. " Theirs is free " refers

> to the

> > EECP video. EECP refers to Enhanced External

> > Counterpulsation. The name is copyrighted by

> > Vasomedical who manufacture these machines which

> apply

> > the technology. Intial research on this concept

> > started in the l950's. Development and progress

> was

> > slow. Sometime after that, scientists in China

> became

> > intrigued with its possibilities and continued

> to

> > develop their own counterpulsation devices until

> > today. At this time there are over 3,000

> centers in

> > China where this now refined technology is used

> not

> > just for chronic stable angina but for 63

> different

> > indications, most of which have little to do

> with the

> > heart. They use it there to restore stroke

> victims as

> > well as patients with peripheral neuropathy from

> > diabetes, Parkinson's Disease, Erectile

> Dysfunction

> > and many other conditions which are regarded as

> > incurable in this country today. They, of

> course were

> > not handicapped by the kind of FDA

> > that we have in this country today. It took our

> FDA

> > over 7 long years to concede the benefits of the

> 35 x

> > 1 hour treatments which were apparent

> immediately

> > after the treatment. That was for the one

> single

> > indication of chronic stable angina. Last year

> > clinical trials were started to prove efficacy

> in

> > Congestive Heart Failure at about 20 different

> centers

> > in the USA. No patient has ever died from this

> > treatment. The oldest patient to receive this

> > treatment was l03 years old. While a few

> patients

> > have somehow managed to die of natural causes a

> couple

> > of years after this treatment, most were greatly

> > rejuvenatated by the process. It is a form of

> > " physical medicine " which

> > would seem to revitalize the entire patient.

> Medicare

> > will pay for a retreatment every two years with

> the

> > doctor's prescription and now we come to the

> problem.

> >

> >

> > Cardiologists (some not all) are refusing to

> explain

> > this option to their patients. They, like your

> > friend, are rushed into surgery after being told

> they

> > will certainly die if they do not agree to the

> > surgery. 1-3 out of every 100 will die on the

> table.

> > Many of these patients had no symptoms before

> they

> > died. The reason cardiologists do not bother to

> tell

> > patients about a noninvasive alternative may be

> > financial rather than physical. This must not be

> > allowed to stand!

> >

> > There is a wonderful article called " Secret

> > Cardiology " written by a cardiologist (God bless

> him)

> > who addresses this problem, tries to explain it

> from

> > the cardiologist's point of view and then

> advises the

> > patients on how to defend themselves. I will

> post it

> > to this board later and I strongly urge you to

> read it

> > and to pass it on to someone with heart disease.

> >

> > Disclosure: The first thing I thought of when I

> > discovered this technology was: What would

> happen if

> > they administered nutritional supplements while

> they

> > underwent this therapy?

> > The results might be even greater!

> >

> > Gerald

> >

> > --- kallie miller <4optimallife@...>

> wrote:

> > > Hi Gerald

> > > I appreciate your post on Passing on

> Bypass

> > > Surgery as that is another choice for people.

> It

> > > looks as if I rattled your chains with my post

> for

> > > which I apologize. That was not my intent. I

> > > wanted to point out that there are other

> choices

> > > that cost less and are less physician

> involved. Do

> > > you think this new therapy would be effective

> for

> > > someone who needed a heart bypass immediately

> as my

> > > friend did. Went in the hospital for tests

> and had

> > > the bypass the next day. I think that was

> probably

> > > better for him at that time than vitamin

> therapy.

> > > I do not sell vitamins or videos and have

> no

> > > connection whatever to these companies. I

> merely

> > > gave the links for information purposes. I

> would

> > > also appreciate knowing where one can get the

> > > ing video free so I can share that

> information.

> > > I have a friend who gave me much of my

> > > information on ing. He has recommended

> the

> > > Vitamin C., Lysine and Proline to four people.

> They

> > > have all benefited. My own 84 year-old mother

> > > benefited greatly from taking the Strauss

> Heart

> > > Drops as that was her preference over the

> ing

>

=== message truncated ===

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the update - did not know of the protocol of using O.T. That

will be of no problem then for deleting. The cumbersome part is opening and

trying to read thru for a cancer relation and then deleting. Knowing what

the O.T. signifies will make it an easy process. Guess I was a bit

flamboyant with my remark on deleting. Sorry to have offended you when it

was I that was in error. norman

Re: O.T. Passing on Bypass

> > Surgery

> > >

> > >

> > > Kallie

> > >

> > > There are a couple of misunderstamdings from my

> > post.

> > > some may be my fault. " Theirs is free " refers

> > to the

> > > EECP video. EECP refers to Enhanced External

> > > Counterpulsation. The name is copyrighted by

> > > Vasomedical who manufacture these machines which

> > apply

> > > the technology. Intial research on this concept

> > > started in the l950's. Development and progress

> > was

> > > slow. Sometime after that, scientists in China

> > became

> > > intrigued with its possibilities and continued

> > to

> > > develop their own counterpulsation devices until

> > > today. At this time there are over 3,000

> > centers in

> > > China where this now refined technology is used

> > not

> > > just for chronic stable angina but for 63

> > different

> > > indications, most of which have little to do

> > with the

> > > heart. They use it there to restore stroke

> > victims as

> > > well as patients with peripheral neuropathy from

> > > diabetes, Parkinson's Disease, Erectile

> > Dysfunction

> > > and many other conditions which are regarded as

> > > incurable in this country today. They, of

> > course were

> > > not handicapped by the kind of FDA

> > > that we have in this country today. It took our

> > FDA

> > > over 7 long years to concede the benefits of the

> > 35 x

> > > 1 hour treatments which were apparent

> > immediately

> > > after the treatment. That was for the one

> > single

> > > indication of chronic stable angina. Last year

> > > clinical trials were started to prove efficacy

> > in

> > > Congestive Heart Failure at about 20 different

> > centers

> > > in the USA. No patient has ever died from this

> > > treatment. The oldest patient to receive this

> > > treatment was l03 years old. While a few

> > patients

> > > have somehow managed to die of natural causes a

> > couple

> > > of years after this treatment, most were greatly

> > > rejuvenatated by the process. It is a form of

> > > " physical medicine " which

> > > would seem to revitalize the entire patient.

> > Medicare

> > > will pay for a retreatment every two years with

> > the

> > > doctor's prescription and now we come to the

> > problem.

> > >

> > >

> > > Cardiologists (some not all) are refusing to

> > explain

> > > this option to their patients. They, like your

> > > friend, are rushed into surgery after being told

> > they

> > > will certainly die if they do not agree to the

> > > surgery. 1-3 out of every 100 will die on the

> > table.

> > > Many of these patients had no symptoms before

> > they

> > > died. The reason cardiologists do not bother to

> > tell

> > > patients about a noninvasive alternative may be

> > > financial rather than physical. This must not be

> > > allowed to stand!

> > >

> > > There is a wonderful article called " Secret

> > > Cardiology " written by a cardiologist (God bless

> > him)

> > > who addresses this problem, tries to explain it

> > from

> > > the cardiologist's point of view and then

> > advises the

> > > patients on how to defend themselves. I will

> > post it

> > > to this board later and I strongly urge you to

> > read it

> > > and to pass it on to someone with heart disease.

> > >

> > > Disclosure: The first thing I thought of when I

> > > discovered this technology was: What would

> > happen if

> > > they administered nutritional supplements while

> > they

> > > underwent this therapy?

> > > The results might be even greater!

> > >

> > > Gerald

> > >

> > > --- kallie miller <4optimallife@...>

> > wrote:

> > > > Hi Gerald

> > > > I appreciate your post on Passing on

> > Bypass

> > > > Surgery as that is another choice for people.

> > It

> > > > looks as if I rattled your chains with my post

> > for

> > > > which I apologize. That was not my intent. I

> > > > wanted to point out that there are other

> > choices

> > > > that cost less and are less physician

> > involved. Do

> > > > you think this new therapy would be effective

> > for

> > > > someone who needed a heart bypass immediately

> > as my

> > > > friend did. Went in the hospital for tests

> > and had

> > > > the bypass the next day. I think that was

> > probably

> > > > better for him at that time than vitamin

> > therapy.

> > > > I do not sell vitamins or videos and have

> > no

> > > > connection whatever to these companies. I

> > merely

> > > > gave the links for information purposes. I

> > would

> > > > also appreciate knowing where one can get the

> > > > ing video free so I can share that

> > information.

> > > > I have a friend who gave me much of my

> > > > information on ing. He has recommended

> > the

> > > > Vitamin C., Lysine and Proline to four people.

> > They

> > > > have all benefited. My own 84 year-old mother

> > > > benefited greatly from taking the Strauss

> > Heart

> > > > Drops as that was her preference over the

> > ing

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