Guest guest Posted July 15, 2000 Report Share Posted July 15, 2000 In a message dated 07/15/2000 11:02:00 AM Eastern Daylight Time, CentreAv2C@... writes: << You should also understand that we had EEG test results that I associated with mercury poisoning before all of this came out, and that we also had " circumstantial " evidence (such as rashes, autism and chronic constipation) indicating that the vaccinations were at the root of my daughter's disability. >> Can you tell me what was abnormal about the eeg that is associated with mercury? My son also has an abnormal eeg. No seizure activity. I was told his eeg was consistent with his autistic diagnosis. Now that really told me alot huh......thanks, Carole Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2000 Report Share Posted July 15, 2000 In a message dated 7/15/00 11:13:13 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Lulu1958@... writes: << Can you tell me what was abnormal about the eeg that is associated with mercury? My son also has an abnormal eeg. No seizure activity. I was told his eeg was consistent with his autistic diagnosis. Now that really told me a lot huh......thanks>> It may have told you a lot, were there spikes in the occipital lobes, or diffuse slowing of certain waves? Here is an excerpt of what the summary text from her report from the epilepsy center said: " As you can see from the enclosed report, numerous clinical events were observed which consisted of periods in which the patient exhibited various tonic posturing involving the upper extremities that on occasion were associated with vocalization. A second type of clinical event was observed which consisted of prolonged periods of staring in which the patient was unresponsive to verbal stimuli. During both of these types of events, the EEG revealed no epileptiform abnormalities. In addition, the interictal record revealed the presence of diffuse encephalopathy. There was also noted to be frequent spikes emanating over the occipital regions of both hemispheres which would suggest that the area may possess an epileptogenic potential. " Although they have still not sent us the data from this test which we requested several times, after the test, we remember them telling us that the encephalopathy related to a generalized " slowing " of theta waves. In searching the various topics related to: spikes, occipital, slow, theta, waves, diffuse, slowing, speech, delay, disorder, ..., I found only two areas that had any correlation. They were electric shock therapy and mercury poisoning. Neither lead was conclusive, but Minimata Bay had some similarity, as related in a 10 year follow up study of a young boy (the attachment is a medline abstract of the article). Again, the associations were very loose. The boy's alpha waves were the point of the study and we have several times requested the EEG data to verify this but have not yet received it. Note that we were essentially told the same thing as you were. The connection between mercury poisoning and this EEG are not part of diagnostic interpretation. The EEG technicians told me that diffuse slowing (encephalopathy) is observed in people with neurological illness, but they do not know why. But consider Carole that they also do not know what causes most cases of autism! Later I found the study of monkeys poisoned with methyl mercury shows damage targeted to the occipital lobes, which appears to be the case for people with mercury poisoning, and may be why vision is typically affected. I have other references, including a textbook paragraph which I sent to Lyn when she started the list (should be in the archives), the one I attached was in my archives. Joe Marciano newWidth) { newWin = open("",newLoc,"scrollbars=yes,resizable=yes,height=" + newHeight + ",width=" + newWidth); } //--> Medscape Home Site Map Marketplace My Medscape CME Center Feedback Help Desk ima+K%3B+Tatetsu+S%3B+Fujioka+M%3B+Yasutake+H%3B+Ozaki+M&IS=0006%2D8969&LA=Japanese&username=MEDSCAPE&dbproduct=MEDLINE', 'KnowledgeWebDocumentDelivery', 'scrollbars=yes,resizable=yes,width=600,height=400'); return false;"> Include in Document # 1 of 200 from MEDLINE selection list. Relevance to Query: Maximum Relevance: [Congenital Minamata disease accompanied by arachnoid cyst (author's transl)] No To Shinkei 1982 Mar;34(3):259-66 (ISSN: 0006-8969)Hira K; Harada M; Takehara S; Kabashima K; Tatetsu S; Fujioka M; Yasutake H; Ozaki M [Find other articles with these Authors] A male, born on December 8, 1956, during the period when many Minamata diseases broke out in a district. His parents who ate much fish and shell fish taken in Minamata Bay suffered from the light, incomplete Minamata disease showing sensory disturbance, the constriction of the visual field, muscular weakness, etc. He weighed 3,225 gr. upon the normal birth given 10 months after pregnancy. His abnormalities were noted since his head was not stabilized on the neck even six months after the birth. Because of the delay in the development of the motor function, he became barely able to sit, stand up and begin walking at the ages of 3, 5 and 6 respectively. In 1962 (at the age of 6), his congenital Minamata disease was diagnosed in view of his clinical symptoms and epidemiological conditions. The mercury value in the hair and blood upon the birth is not known because a considerable time had elapsed after the birth when his mercury poisoning was discovered. However, the clinical symptoms included intelligence disturbance, character change, dysarthria, primitive reflexes, strabismus, hypersalivation, ataxia and hyperkinesia, indicating a typical congenital Minamata disease. Until he became 13 years old (1969) or so, his mental and motor function developed, both gradually. In the same year, he was admitted to a special class for the handicapped. EEG examination revealed that there was a slow alpha activity in the basic pattern and that 6 Hz positive spike was found in the sleep EEG. The constriction of the visual field was classified through examination.2+. Major Subject Heading(s) Minor Subject Heading(s) Arachnoid Brain Diseases [complications] Cysts [complications] Mercury Poisoning [congenital]Find other articles with similar Subjects. 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Guest guest Posted July 15, 2000 Report Share Posted July 15, 2000 In a message dated 7/15/00 12:54:37 PM Eastern Daylight Time, kblanco@... writes: << Are temporal lobes in the same area? >> No, the temporal lobes are in front (I think by the temples), occipital lobes are in the rear. What do you mean when you say that " Our son has the right temporal lobe affected " ? Were there spikes? Joe Marciano Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2000 Report Share Posted July 15, 2000 In a message dated 07/15/2000 12:46:39 PM Eastern Daylight Time, CentreAv2C@... writes: << The EEG technicians told me that diffuse slowing (encephalopathy) is observed in people with neurological illness, but they do not know why. But consider Carole that they also do not know what causes most cases of autism! >> Thankyou for the information. I really appreciate it. Now I want to get a copy of my son's eeg report. thanks again. Carole Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2000 Report Share Posted July 15, 2000 Are temporal lobes in the same area? Our son has the right temportal lobe affected? Kathy Re: [ ] Re: Mercury DetoxIn a message dated 7/15/00 11:13:13 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Lulu1958@... writes:<< Can you tell me what was abnormal about the eeg that is associated with mercury? My son also has an abnormal eeg. No seizure activity. I was told his eeg was consistent with his autistic diagnosis. Now that really told me a lot huh......thanks>>It may have told you a lot, were there spikes in the occipital lobes, or diffuse slowing of certain waves?Here is an excerpt of what the summary text from her report from the epilepsy center said: " As you can see from the enclosed report, numerous clinical events were observed which consisted of periods in which the patient exhibited various tonic posturing involving the upper extremities that on occasion were associated with vocalization. A second type of clinical event was observed which consisted of prolonged periods of staring in which the patient was unresponsive to verbal stimuli. During both of these types of events, the EEG revealed no epileptiform abnormalities.In addition, the interictal record revealed the presence of diffuse encephalopathy. There was also noted to be frequent spikes emanating over the occipital regions of both hemispheres which would suggest that the area may possess an epileptogenic potential. " Although they have still not sent us the data from this test which we requested several times, after the test, we remember them telling us that the encephalopathy related to a generalized " slowing " of theta waves.In searching the various topics related to: spikes, occipital, slow, theta, waves, diffuse, slowing, speech, delay, disorder, ..., I found only two areas that had any correlation. They were electric shock therapy and mercury poisoning. Neither lead was conclusive, but Minimata Bay had some similarity, as related in a 10 year follow up study of a young boy (the attachment is a medline abstract of the article). Again, the associations were very loose. The boy's alpha waves were the point of the study and we have several times requested the EEG data to verify this but have not yet received it.Note that we were essentially told the same thing as you were. The connection between mercury poisoning and this EEG are not part of diagnostic interpretation.The EEG technicians told me that diffuse slowing (encephalopathy) is observed in people with neurological illness, but they do not know why. But consider Carole that they also do not know what causes most cases of autism!Later I found the study of monkeys poisoned with methyl mercury shows damage targeted to the occipital lobes, which appears to be the case for people with mercury poisoning, and may be why vision is typically affected. I have other references, including a textbook paragraph which I sent to Lyn when she started the list (should be in the archives), the one I attached was in my archives.Joe Marciano------------------------------------------------------------------------To email plain text is conventional, to add graphics is divine. We'll show you how at www.supersig.com.1/6808/9/_/705339/_/963679508/------------------------------------------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2000 Report Share Posted July 15, 2000 >From: " Jim Blanco " <kblanco@...> >Reply- egroups >< egroups> >Subject: Re: [ ] Re: Mercury Detox >Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 10:02:02 -0700 > >Are temporal lobes in the same area? Our son has the right temportal lobe >affected? >Kathy > Re: [ ] Re: Mercury Detox > > > In a message dated 7/15/00 11:13:13 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > Lulu1958@... writes: > > << Can you tell me what was abnormal about the eeg that is associated >with > mercury? My son also has an abnormal eeg. No seizure activity. I was >told his > eeg was consistent with his autistic diagnosis. Now that really told >me a lot > huh......thanks>> > > It may have told you a lot, were there spikes in the occipital lobes, >or > diffuse slowing of certain waves? > > Here is an excerpt of what the summary text from her report from the >epilepsy > center said: > > " As you can see from the enclosed report, numerous clinical events >were > observed which consisted of periods in which the patient exhibited >various > tonic posturing involving the upper extremities that on occasion were > associated with vocalization. A second type of clinical event was >observed > which consisted of prolonged periods of staring in which the patient >was > unresponsive to verbal stimuli. During both of these types of events, >the > EEG revealed no epileptiform abnormalities. > > In addition, the interictal record revealed the presence of diffuse > encephalopathy. There was also noted to be frequent spikes emanating >over > the occipital regions of both hemispheres which would suggest that the >area > may possess an epileptogenic potential. " > > Although they have still not sent us the data from this test which we > requested several times, after the test, we remember them telling us >that the > encephalopathy related to a generalized " slowing " of theta waves. > > In searching the various topics related to: spikes, occipital, slow, >theta, > waves, diffuse, slowing, speech, delay, disorder, ..., I found only >two areas > that had any correlation. They were electric shock therapy and >mercury > poisoning. Neither lead was conclusive, but Minimata Bay had some > similarity, as related in a 10 year follow up study of a young boy >(the > attachment is a medline abstract of the article). Again, the >associations > were very loose. The boy's alpha waves were the point of the study >and we > have several times requested the EEG data to verify this but have not >yet > received it. > > Note that we were essentially told the same thing as you were. The > connection between mercury poisoning and this EEG are not part of >diagnostic > interpretation. > > The EEG technicians told me that diffuse slowing (encephalopathy) is >observed > in people with neurological illness, but they do not know why. But >consider > Carole that they also do not know what causes most cases of autism! > > Later I found the study of monkeys poisoned with methyl mercury shows >damage > targeted to the occipital lobes, which appears to be the case for >people with > mercury poisoning, and may be why vision is typically affected. I >have other > references, including a textbook paragraph which I sent to Lyn when >she > started the list (should be in the archives), the one I attached was >in my > archives. > > Joe Marciano Please would you send me the study? my son was diagnosed as having focal epilepsy-as eeg showed 'slow wave activity - left temporal lobe', put on anti epileptic drugs(which i believe made him much WORSE, later diagnosis changed to focal epilepsy with secondary generalisation, i never believed (or still do) that my son has Epilepsy proper. Thank you in advance, margaret. > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > To email plain text is conventional, to add graphics is divine. > We'll show you how at www.supersig.com. > 1/6808/9/_/705339/_/963679508/ > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2000 Report Share Posted July 16, 2000 Spikes and also that is where the seizures are orienting from. Would like to know what THAT means. I know the temporal lobes are nearest speech centers, so that makes sense. He also has a mito disorder, he is poisined by carbohydrates, they don't like him at all, he builds up too much pyruvate and lactic acid. This of course is also suspect with mercury and or some other metal I would think. Has muscle wasting like an HIV patient as well, I can put my whole fisted hand around his biceps and then some, they are like marshmellows. At one time we thought he had STIFF MAN SYNDROME, movement disorders, aha, mercury. Complement c4b, REALLY messed with, aha, mercury. I am so sick of this....I know all this, now what? I guess I am trying to see what others do, I am tired of being the pioneer in autism. And yes, my pediatrician did the typical rolling eyes and asked " did you get this off the internet Kathy? " . ARRRGGGHHHH. On to the naturopath I go. Kathy Re: [ ] Re: Mercury Detox >In a message dated 7/15/00 12:54:37 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >kblanco@... writes: > ><< Are temporal lobes in the same area? >> > >No, the temporal lobes are in front (I think by the temples), occipital lobes >are in the rear. What do you mean when you say that " Our son has the right >temporal lobe affected " ? >Were there spikes? > >Joe Marciano > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >BTW: Did you buy that new car yet? >If not, check this site out. >They're called CarsDirect.com and it's a pretty sweet way to buy a car. >1/6847/9/_/705339/_/963681317/ >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2000 Report Share Posted July 17, 2000 In a message dated 7/15/2000 11:01:55 AM, CentreAv2C@... writes: << If blood mercury is low, and there are no fillings, you could try a provocative test. >> My son's blood test detected very low on mercury and he's never had fillings. What is a provocative test? Thanks. , DJ's Mom, 10yrs old, autistic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2000 Report Share Posted July 17, 2000 In a message dated 07/17/2000 10:57:07 AM Eastern Daylight Time, DenNeg01@... writes: << My son's blood test detected very low on mercury and he's never had fillings. What is a provocative test? Thanks. , DJ's Mom, 10yrs old, autistic >> A provocation is where the chelator is given and then output of elements is measured. My son's test was low too...but if you read the " autism/mercury " paper, you'll see in the case studies that large amounts of mercury were still excreted on other children with non-detectable levels. Apparently, the mercury binds so tightly to the cells and tissues that it may not show up at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2000 Report Share Posted July 17, 2000 << What is a provocative test? >> Something not at all diagnostic and possibly dangerous if not done right. You can see there is a difference of opinion on that one. I think it is more generally agreed that a hair analysis run through Doctor's Data Laboratories is pretty helpful. You use counting rules to score it - the mercury level itself isn't diagnostic. Andy Cutler Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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