Guest guest Posted July 11, 2000 Report Share Posted July 11, 2000 In a message dated 7/9/00 12:22:52 PM Eastern Daylight Time, seldahr@... writes: FDA Letter to Vaccine Manufacturers Requests Update on Elimination of Thimerosal << " CBER, " the agency concluded, " encourages discussions with us to develop strategies for the reduction and elimination of thimerosal in vaccines and to discuss the data requirements to support effecting these changes. " >> After discussing this with my wife, her legitimate question is " So who now has the responsibility of treating the people who suffered as a result of theimerosal? " Of course, we take responsibility for our children and ourselves, but should we contact the FDA, or the EPA, or perhaps the NIH. Or should we get an attorney? We are focusing on treatment now, but should we as a group be seeking some sort of class action approach. Are there any lawyers or government officials on this list that have an opinion? Joe Marciano Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2000 Report Share Posted July 11, 2000 << After discussing this with my wife, her legitimate question is " So who now has the responsibility of treating the people who suffered as a result of theimerosal? " >> Nobody. The feds set up a special kangaroo court to protect the drug industry from liability for vaccines. Andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2000 Report Share Posted July 11, 2000 In a message dated 07/11/2000 2:30:49 PM Eastern Daylight Time, kblanco@... writes: << We are focusing on treatment now, but should we as a group be >seeking some sort of class action approach. Are there any lawyers or >government officials on this list that have an opinion? > >Joe Marcian >> No lawyer here, but a parent who would like to go after every single one of these jerks. Carole Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2000 Report Share Posted July 11, 2000 My thoughts exactly, sign me up, anyone a lawyer on this list or knows of a good one? I would prefer someone like that attorney who wins every case, the one with the cowboy hat? (can't think of his name?) Or how about cochran? Kathy Re: [ ] FDA on thimerosal >In a message dated 7/9/00 12:22:52 PM Eastern Daylight Time, seldahr@... >writes: > >FDA Letter to Vaccine Manufacturers Requests Update on Elimination of >Thimerosal > ><< " CBER, " the agency concluded, " encourages discussions with us to develop > strategies for the reduction and elimination of thimerosal in vaccines and >to > discuss the data requirements to support effecting these changes. " > >> > >After discussing this with my wife, her legitimate question is " So who now >has the responsibility of treating the people who suffered as a result of >theimerosal? " > >Of course, we take responsibility for our children and ourselves, but should >we contact the FDA, or the EPA, or perhaps the NIH. Or should we get an >attorney? We are focusing on treatment now, but should we as a group be >seeking some sort of class action approach. Are there any lawyers or >government officials on this list that have an opinion? > >Joe Marciano > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >To email plain text is conventional, to add graphics is devine. >We'll show you how at www.supersig.com. >1/6808/9/_/705339/_/963334405/ >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2000 Report Share Posted July 11, 2000 In a message dated 7/11/00 6:02:26 PM Eastern Daylight Time, persistentC@... writes: << However, I would guess that you would probably be better off filing an individual claim if you are still within the 3-year limit. >> Unfortunately, we missed that deadline and in a short time we will also miss any 7 year statutes if they exist anywhere. Our daughter was born on Labor Day in 1992, the double shot of thimerosal while on amoxycillin occurred in March of 1993. Her final dose with thimerosal was in September of 1994. The time deadline seems pretty bogus to me. We were told by the pediatrician that neither the constipation nor the rashes, nor the ear infections were unusual for an infant, and therefor there was no reporting of adverse reactions. We were later told that autism was not curable, and that finding the cause would be like finding a needle in a haystack. Little did we know that when we looked in the haystack we would find our pediatrician holding the needle with a vaccination vial! Anyway, thanks for the information. I really don't wish to spend my life filing lawsuits, but if there were to be some sort of group movement, I would gladly throw our support behind it. If the powers that be would simply lend there support to remediating the victims, even by acknowledging its reality I would be happy. Unfortunately, from what I've seen, even if the AAP had a consulting group hand them statistics meeting their requirement of contrived one dimensional pseudo scientific peer reviewed fact, it appears that they would look ion their handbooks pick an inappropriate chelation protocol, and declare the situation irreversible. That tells me that we had better all act before the ex-perts try to get involved. Joe Marciano Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2000 Report Share Posted July 11, 2000 I would be interested in this also. The vaccine manufacturers should be held accountable for their actions. -Al. Re: [ ] FDA on thimerosal > > > >In a message dated 7/9/00 12:22:52 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > seldahr@... > >writes: > > > >FDA Letter to Vaccine Manufacturers Requests Update on Elimination of > >Thimerosal > > > ><< " CBER, " the agency concluded, " encourages discussions with us to develop > > strategies for the reduction and elimination of thimerosal in vaccines and > >to > > discuss the data requirements to support effecting these changes. " > > >> > > > >After discussing this with my wife, her legitimate question is " So who now > >has the responsibility of treating the people who suffered as a result of > >theimerosal? " > > > >Of course, we take responsibility for our children and ourselves, but > should > >we contact the FDA, or the EPA, or perhaps the NIH. Or should we get an > >attorney? We are focusing on treatment now, but should we as a group be > >seeking some sort of class action approach. Are there any lawyers or > >government officials on this list that have an opinion? > > > >Joe Marciano > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >To email plain text is conventional, to add graphics is devine. > >We'll show you how at www.supersig.com. > >1/6808/9/_/705339/_/963334405/ > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2000 Report Share Posted July 11, 2000 Joe, According to the existing law, you have 3 years from the date of vaccine damage to file a claim with the government. We did make that deadline, and have been waiting for over 3 years since that date to have our case heard. (Actually, it's probably a good thing it wasn't heard sooner.) Our case is now getting close to an actual hearing. A friend of mine just flew up to DC today to testify with some other families who missed the 3-year deadline, in an effort to have the law changed. Apparently it did not go too well. I don't know how this would effect a class action lawsuit. However, I would guess that you would probably be better off filing an individual claim if you are still within the 3-year limit. The government is required to pay ALL your legal fees associated with this case, as long as you can prove there is reasonable merit to your case. (We have had to pay out some money on the way, but it will be reimbursed to us eventually.) I suggest you go the individual route because you are more likely to get a " reasonable " compensation on an individual basis than you are as part of a group. (I'm not a lawyer, but this is what I've been told.) (Cary, NC) persistentC@... Re: [ ] FDA on thimerosal > In a message dated 7/9/00 12:22:52 PM Eastern Daylight Time, seldahr@... > writes: > > FDA Letter to Vaccine Manufacturers Requests Update on Elimination of > Thimerosal > > << " CBER, " the agency concluded, " encourages discussions with us to develop > strategies for the reduction and elimination of thimerosal in vaccines and > to > discuss the data requirements to support effecting these changes. " > >> > > After discussing this with my wife, her legitimate question is " So who now > has the responsibility of treating the people who suffered as a result of > theimerosal? " > > Of course, we take responsibility for our children and ourselves, but should > we contact the FDA, or the EPA, or perhaps the NIH. Or should we get an > attorney? We are focusing on treatment now, but should we as a group be > seeking some sort of class action approach. Are there any lawyers or > government officials on this list that have an opinion? > > Joe Marciano > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > To email plain text is conventional, to add graphics is devine. > We'll show you how at www.supersig.com. > 1/6808/9/_/705339/_/963334405/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2000 Report Share Posted July 12, 2000 Try to get a hold of Ray Gallup who is trying desperately to get this accomplished on SPCAPVonelist Kathy Re: [ ] FDA on thimerosal >I would be interested in this also. The vaccine manufacturers should be held >accountable for their actions. > > > -Al. > Re: [ ] FDA on thimerosal >> >> >> >In a message dated 7/9/00 12:22:52 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >> seldahr@... >> >writes: >> > >> >FDA Letter to Vaccine Manufacturers Requests Update on Elimination of >> >Thimerosal >> > >> ><< " CBER, " the agency concluded, " encourages discussions with us to >develop >> > strategies for the reduction and elimination of thimerosal in vaccines >and >> >to >> > discuss the data requirements to support effecting these changes. " >> > >> >> > >> >After discussing this with my wife, her legitimate question is " So who >now >> >has the responsibility of treating the people who suffered as a result of >> >theimerosal? " >> > >> >Of course, we take responsibility for our children and ourselves, but >> should >> >we contact the FDA, or the EPA, or perhaps the NIH. Or should we get an >> >attorney? We are focusing on treatment now, but should we as a group be >> >seeking some sort of class action approach. Are there any lawyers or >> >government officials on this list that have an opinion? >> > >> >Joe Marciano >> > >> >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >To email plain text is conventional, to add graphics is devine. >> >We'll show you how at www.supersig.com. >> >1/6808/9/_/705339/_/963334405/ >> >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> > >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2000 Report Share Posted July 12, 2000 Gerry Spence --- Jim Blanco <kblanco@...> wrote: > My thoughts exactly, sign me up, anyone a lawyer on > this list or knows of a > good one? I would prefer someone like that attorney > who wins every case, > the one with the cowboy hat? (can't think of his > name?) Or how about > cochran? > Kathy > Re: [ ] FDA on thimerosal > > > >In a message dated 7/9/00 12:22:52 PM Eastern > Daylight Time, > seldahr@... > >writes: > > > >FDA Letter to Vaccine Manufacturers Requests Update > on Elimination of > >Thimerosal > > > ><< " CBER, " the agency concluded, " encourages > discussions with us to develop > > strategies for the reduction and elimination of > thimerosal in vaccines and > >to > > discuss the data requirements to support effecting > these changes. " > > >> > > > >After discussing this with my wife, her legitimate > question is " So who now > >has the responsibility of treating the people who > suffered as a result of > >theimerosal? " > > > >Of course, we take responsibility for our children > and ourselves, but > should > >we contact the FDA, or the EPA, or perhaps the NIH. > Or should we get an > >attorney? We are focusing on treatment now, but > should we as a group be > >seeking some sort of class action approach. Are > there any lawyers or > >government officials on this list that have an > opinion? > > > >Joe Marciano > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >To email plain text is conventional, to add > graphics is devine. > >We'll show you how at www.supersig.com. > >1/6808/9/_/705339/_/963334405/ > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2000 Report Share Posted July 12, 2000 Joe - Some of the things you mention are happening, and more will be posted shortly. Yes, you should write to the FDA, the CDC,and the EPA, as well as your legislators, and let them know how you feel. While the EPA is not charged with medical product oversight, they have an interest in this issue as they are trying very hard to remove environmental mercury sources. Here are the people to write to, besides your legislators. If you write, please email Lyn a copy of your document. (1) Egan, PhD Acting Director, Office of Vaccine Research & Review Food and Drug Administration 1401 Rockville Pike Suite 200 North Rockville, MD 20852 (301) 827-0655 (2) Walter Orenstein, MD Director, National Immunization Program Centers for Disease Control and Prevention 1600 Clifton Road NE Mail Stop E05 Atlanta, GA 30333 404 639-8200 (3) Carol Browner Administrator US Environmental Protection Agency 401 M Street SW Washington, DC 20460 202 564-4700 CentreAv2C@... wrote: > In a message dated 7/9/00 12:22:52 PM Eastern Daylight Time, seldahr@... > writes: > > FDA Letter to Vaccine Manufacturers Requests Update on Elimination of > Thimerosal > > << " CBER, " the agency concluded, " encourages discussions with us to develop > strategies for the reduction and elimination of thimerosal in vaccines and > to > discuss the data requirements to support effecting these changes. " > >> > > After discussing this with my wife, her legitimate question is " So who now > has the responsibility of treating the people who suffered as a result of > theimerosal? " > > Of course, we take responsibility for our children and ourselves, but should > we contact the FDA, or the EPA, or perhaps the NIH. Or should we get an > attorney? We are focusing on treatment now, but should we as a group be > seeking some sort of class action approach. Are there any lawyers or > government officials on this list that have an opinion? > > Joe Marciano > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > To email plain text is conventional, to add graphics is devine. > We'll show you how at www.supersig.com. > 1/6808/9/_/705339/_/963334405/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2000 Report Share Posted July 12, 2000 What if you didn't realize the cause was from vaccines until now? My son received the hep. B vaccine at birth. He screamed and screamed for weeks. We then gave him all vaccines on scedule, each time he would scream for days and days. His recent DPT booster is what had me do research and I personally am allergic to thimerosal and that's when I found out that there was thimerosal in vaccines. He regressed in behavior and communication after the DPT, still not back to where he was but at least he isn't screaming my head my head my head anymore...poor little guy...makes me angry. Donna > According to the existing law, you have 3 years from the date of vaccine damage > to file a claim with the government. > We did make that deadline, and have been waiting for over 3 years since that > date to have our case heard. (Actually, it's probably a good thing it wasn't > heard sooner.) Our case is now getting close to an actual hearing. > > A friend of mine just flew up to DC today to testify with some other families > who missed the 3-year deadline, in an effort to have the law changed. > Apparently it did not go too well. > > I don't know how this would effect a class action lawsuit. However, I would > guess that you would probably be better off filing an individual claim if you > are still within the 3-year limit. The government is required to pay ALL your > legal fees associated with this case, as long as you can prove there is > reasonable merit to your case. (We have had to pay out some money on the way, > but it will be reimbursed to us eventually.) > > I suggest you go the individual route because you are more likely to get a > " reasonable " compensation on an individual basis than you are as part of a > group. (I'm not a lawyer, but this is what I've been told.) > > (Cary, NC) > persistentC@... > > Re: [ ] FDA on thimerosal > > > > In a message dated 7/9/00 12:22:52 PM Eastern Daylight Time, seldahr@... > > writes: > > > > FDA Letter to Vaccine Manufacturers Requests Update on Elimination of > > Thimerosal > > > > << " CBER, " the agency concluded, " encourages discussions with us to develop > > strategies for the reduction and elimination of thimerosal in vaccines and > > to > > discuss the data requirements to support effecting these changes. " > > >> > > > > After discussing this with my wife, her legitimate question is " So who now > > has the responsibility of treating the people who suffered as a result of > > theimerosal? " > > > > Of course, we take responsibility for our children and ourselves, but should > > we contact the FDA, or the EPA, or perhaps the NIH. Or should we get an > > attorney? We are focusing on treatment now, but should we as a group be > > seeking some sort of class action approach. Are there any lawyers or > > government officials on this list that have an opinion? > > > > Joe Marciano > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > To email plain text is conventional, to add graphics is devine. > > We'll show you how at www.supersig.com. > > 1/6808/9/_/705339/_/963334405/ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2000 Report Share Posted July 12, 2000 Wow! Well said Joe! Sylvia We were later told that autism was not curable, and that finding >the cause would be like finding a needle in a haystack. Little did we know >that when we looked in the haystack we would find our pediatrician holding >the needle with a vaccination vial! > >Joe Marciano ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2000 Report Share Posted July 12, 2000 Good question! After 19 years of therapy, we are wondering the same thing! Barb Re: [ ] FDA on thimerosal >In a message dated 7/9/00 12:22:52 PM Eastern Daylight Time, seldahr@... >writes: > >FDA Letter to Vaccine Manufacturers Requests Update on Elimination of >Thimerosal > ><< " CBER, " the agency concluded, " encourages discussions with us to develop > strategies for the reduction and elimination of thimerosal in vaccines and >to > discuss the data requirements to support effecting these changes. " > >> > >After discussing this with my wife, her legitimate question is " So who now >has the responsibility of treating the people who suffered as a result of >theimerosal? " > >Of course, we take responsibility for our children and ourselves, but should >we contact the FDA, or the EPA, or perhaps the NIH. Or should we get an >attorney? We are focusing on treatment now, but should we as a group be >seeking some sort of class action approach. Are there any lawyers or >government officials on this list that have an opinion? > >Joe Marciano > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >To email plain text is conventional, to add graphics is devine. >We'll show you how at www.supersig.com. >1/6808/9/_/705339/_/963334405/ >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2000 Report Share Posted July 12, 2000 We can't let the feds get away with this! There has to be some way around it. (My motto--if they say no, find a way around, under, over, or through. There has to be a way.) Re: [ ] FDA on thimerosal >I would be interested in this also. The vaccine manufacturers should be held >accountable for their actions. > > > -Al. > Re: [ ] FDA on thimerosal >> >> >> >In a message dated 7/9/00 12:22:52 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >> seldahr@... >> >writes: >> > >> >FDA Letter to Vaccine Manufacturers Requests Update on Elimination of >> >Thimerosal >> > >> ><< " CBER, " the agency concluded, " encourages discussions with us to >develop >> > strategies for the reduction and elimination of thimerosal in vaccines >and >> >to >> > discuss the data requirements to support effecting these changes. " >> > >> >> > >> >After discussing this with my wife, her legitimate question is " So who >now >> >has the responsibility of treating the people who suffered as a result of >> >theimerosal? " >> > >> >Of course, we take responsibility for our children and ourselves, but >> should >> >we contact the FDA, or the EPA, or perhaps the NIH. Or should we get an >> >attorney? We are focusing on treatment now, but should we as a group be >> >seeking some sort of class action approach. Are there any lawyers or >> >government officials on this list that have an opinion? >> > >> >Joe Marciano >> > >> >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >To email plain text is conventional, to add graphics is devine. >> >We'll show you how at www.supersig.com. >> >1/6808/9/_/705339/_/963334405/ >> >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> > >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2000 Report Share Posted July 13, 2000 In a message dated 7/11/00 6:02:26 PM Eastern Daylight Time, persistentC@... writes: << According to the existing law, you have 3 years from the date of vaccine damage to file a claim with the government. >> I mentioned to a friend of mine that we missed the official boat, a few years back, and he mentioned that a major tenet of the law, as it regards the time limitations is that you are required to know about the event which occurred and caused you harm. Under this interpretation, all of our clocks would have begun ticking with the announcement that thimerosal was in and being taken out of the hepatitis B vaccine. If you remember the joint announcement of the CDC and AAP stated that there was a nearly insignificant risk of neurological damage. To this extent, since they haven't acknowledged this relationship between thimerosal and disorders, the clock hasn't even been wound up yet. Joe Marciano Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2000 Report Share Posted July 13, 2000 What type of an attorney do we contact? How can we prove that our child's autism was vaccine caused? Donna :-) PS I recently discovered the vaccine/autism link for us after a DPT booster which caused regression in behavior and communication not to mention he screamed over and over my head my head. Donna :-( [According to the existing law, you have 3 years from the date of vaccine damage to file a claim with the government.] {since they haven't acknowledged this relationship between thimerosal and disorders, the clock hasn't even been wound up yet.} Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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