Guest guest Posted October 2, 2001 Report Share Posted October 2, 2001 In the mail I send to the person who wanted to know something about lungcancer and flaxoil I asked a woman who I know who is trying not to get a relapse from her lungcancer after she refused radiation etc. for a reaction to the question of that person (I'm sorry I forgot her name) This woman is doing very well and finds a lot of support from her diet and supplements which are prescribed to her by a medical doctor/biologist with more then twenty years experience in treating cancer with alternative- and additional products. And with asking her I hoped to give that other person and maybe others in this group some encouraging spirit. Maybe Moonbeam is right in what he writes about Shiitake I don't know, I'm not a medical specialist, he neither I think, but he likes to give medical advices in this group, I wouldn't dare. But the approach this woman had chosen is not only Shitake complex (and maybe that complex consists the same ingredients Moonbeam advises I don't know , what I know there is a difference in supplements in the USA and in the Netherlands), but it is a whole approach of the Houtsmullerdiet ( a lot of vegetable juices, preferable with lactic acid, fresh fruit, no meat (red), though liver is allowed even recommended and chicken/poultry is once a week permitted, three times a week fat fish etc. etc. Who wants to now more and detailed read it at my website. www.kanker-actueel.nl/ca_hout.html ) and extra supplements based on more than twenty years of experience with alternative cancer treatments. But the doctor who treats her beside her regular oncologist is also a regular medical doctor and knows a lot about the newest developments of the regular scientifical world. This doctor has written hundreds of scientifical articles and still writes a lot. He is the most respected alternative docor in the Netherlands. And it is possible Moonbeam is right in what he writes about Shitake complex, but I rely rather on my own doctor, who wrote me he doesn't want to put energy any longer in reading and giving comments on messages written by an anonymous and non-medical person in this group. And neither do I. And if anyone wants to know where Moonbeam gets all his studies from this is very easy: go to Medline and find with their searche engine al the articles you need and wish and if you subscribe yourself to the newsletter of Medscape http://www.medscape.com you will get once a week , sometimes even twice a week the newest published studies and trials of Medline and other scientifical magazines. It's easier than one thinks to get the newest information. the problem is that for interpretating a study one needs to have a lot of medical experience to understand why one study is a good one and another one is a bad one. And than I don't talk about the manipulation of the companies who payed the study regular as well as alternative. Because from both sides those companies think in the first place about making money with their products. And it isn't easy if I may believe my doctor to pick up the good ones out of the bulk of studies. But I think most of us agree with that. Gr. Kees Braam webmaster www.kanker-actueel.nl > Hi, > The mushroom Shitake or Lentinus Edodes is not the best anti cancer mushroom > and the form of beta glucan it contains is NOT orally active against cancer. That means > the beta glucan contained in the mushroom will not work if the mushroom or mushroom > extract is eaten. > In the post below Kees Braam shows tells how a person took the shitake mushroom extract > as part of her cancer therapy. > There are a number of immune stimulating compounds in the Shitake Mushroom, the > principle one being Lentinan, a beta-1,3d-glucan, similar to beta glucan derived from > yeast, but much dearer. However yeast derived beta glucan IS orally active. > > Also a molecule called KS-2 can be extracted from Shitake mushroom. > Whereas Lentinan is not orally active KS-2 is orally active. > Just using a product called Shitake extract does not mean that extract will have any > orally active anti cancer effect, as the principle shitake extract Lentinan is only ever > given by injection. > If you wish to use a product derived from Shitake mushroom orally make sure it is KS- > 2 extract not just a Shitake extract. Something called Shitake Extract may not be orally > active or may not work when taken orally. Similarly Shitake powder is not taken orally. > > Also I personally do not support the use of thymus extract as the thymus is one of the > organs known to be highly infectious with Mad Cow Disease and its lethal human form CJD. > If you do use Thymus extract make sure it is made in New Zealand and not in the northern > hemisphere. > If you take vitamin E than you should know it is far more effective when taken with L- > selenomethionine (organic selenium). If you wish to take L-Cysteine then know that > Spirulina is the richest natural source of L-Cysteine. > > moonbeam > > Alternative Medicine Review: 2000 Feb;5(1):4-27 > > The use of mushroom glucans and proteoglycans in cancer treatment. > author: Kidd PM. > > More than 50 mushroom > species have yielded potential immunoceuticals that exhibit anticancer > activity in vitro or in animal models and of these, six have been > investigated in human cancers. All are non-toxic and very well > tolerated. Lentinan and schizophyllan have little oral activity. > Two > proteoglycans from Coriolus versicolor - PSK (Polysaccharide-K) and > PSP (Polysaccharide-Peptide - have demonstrated the most promise. In > Japanese trials since 1970, PSK significantly extended survival at > five years or beyond in cancers of the stomach, colon-rectum, > esophagus, nasopharynx, and lung (non-small cell types), and in a HLA > B40-positive breast cancer subset. PSP was subjected to Phase II and > Phase III trials in China. In double-blind trials, PSP significantly > extended five-year survival in esophageal cancer. PSP significantly > improved quality of life, provided substantial pain relief, and > enhanced immune status in 70-97 percent of patients with cancers of > the stomach, esophagus, lung, ovary, and cervix. PSK and PSP boosted > immune cell production, ameliorated chemotherapy symptoms, and > enhanced tumor infiltration by dendritic and cytotoxic T-cells. Their > extremely high tolerability, proven benefits to survival and quality > of life, and compatibility with chemotherapy and radiation therapy > makes them well suited for cancer management regimens. > > Publication Types: > Review > Review, tutorial > > PMID: 10696116 > > > > For the person who asked about flaxoil and lungcancer. I asked a woman who > > is doing quite well with her lungcancer after she started the > > Houtsmullerdiet and supplements. If you want to read her story in english > > you can read at www.kanker-actueel.nl/rem_sto.html and go to number 5. > > > > Gr. Kees Braam > > webmaster www.kanker-actueel.nl/index_e.html > > > > She gave me this additional information: > > > > My supplements are: > > > thymusconcentrate > > > lycotoma > > > quercetin > > > vitamine E > > > Mutivitamines > > > curcumin > > > epigallo > > > Megag > > > L-cysteine > > > aloe vera > > > melatonine > > > shiitake concentrate > > > > > > I also use Flor Essence with approval of my ortho doctor. > > > My lungcancer was radiated may/jun 2000. > > > It has not come back since > > > good luck > > > > > > regards > > > alice > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Get HUGE info at http://www.cures for cancer.ws, and post your own links there. > > Unsubscribe by sending email to cures for cancer-unsubscribeegroups or by > > visiting http://www.bobhurt.com/subunsub.mv > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2001 Report Share Posted October 3, 2001 Dear Kees, Could you please give me the name and number of the doctor asides her regular doctor, the one that is the most respected in the Netherlands, I'm desperate please, Many Thanks, I await your reply, Bremner >From: "Kees Braam" >Reply-cures for cancer > >Subject: Re: Shitake + lung cancer >Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 11:16:33 +0200 > >In the mail I send to the person who wanted to know something about >lungcancer and flaxoil I asked a woman who I know who is trying not to get a >relapse from her lungcancer after she refused radiation etc. for a reaction >to the question of that person (I'm sorry I forgot her name) This woman is >doing very well and finds a lot of support from her diet and supplements >which are prescribed to her by a medical doctor/biologist with more then >twenty years experience in treating cancer with alternative- and additional >products. And with asking her I hoped to give that other person and maybe >others in this group some encouraging spirit. > >Maybe Moonbeam is right in what he writes about Shiitake I don't know, I'm >not a medical specialist, he neither I think, but he likes to give medical >advices in this group, I wouldn't dare. But the approach this woman had >chosen is not only Shitake complex (and maybe that complex consists the same >ingredients Moonbeam advises I don't know >, what I know there is a difference in supplements in the USA and in the >Netherlands), but it is a whole approach of the Houtsmullerdiet ( a lot of >vegetable juices, preferable with lactic acid, fresh fruit, no meat (red), >though liver is allowed even recommended and chicken/poultry is once a week >permitted, three times a week fat fish etc. etc. Who wants to now more and >detailed read it at my website. www.kanker-actueel.nl/ca_hout.html ) and >extra supplements based on more than twenty years of experience with >alternative cancer treatments. But the doctor who treats her beside her >regular oncologist is also a regular medical doctor and knows a lot about >the newest developments of the regular scientifical world. This doctor has >written hundreds of scientifical articles and still writes a lot. He is the >most respected alternative docor in the Netherlands. > >And it is possible Moonbeam is right in what he writes about Shitake >complex, but I rely rather on my own doctor, who wrote me he doesn't want to >put energy any longer in reading and giving comments on messages written by >an anonymous and non-medical person in this group. And neither do I. > >And if anyone wants to know where Moonbeam gets all his studies from this is >very easy: go to Medline and find with their searche engine al the articles >you need and wish and if you subscribe yourself to the newsletter of >Medscape > http://www.medscape.com you >will get once a week , sometimes even twice a week the newest published >studies and trials of Medline and other scientifical magazines. It's easier >than one thinks to get the newest information. the problem is that for >interpretating a study one needs to have a lot of medical experience to >understand why one study is a good one and another one is a bad one. And >than I don't talk about the manipulation of the companies who payed the >study regular as well as alternative. Because from both sides those >companies think in the first place about making money with their products. >And it isn't easy if I may believe my doctor to pick up the good ones out of >the bulk of studies. But I think most of us agree with that. > >Gr. Kees Braam >webmaster www.kanker-actueel.nl > > > Hi, > > The mushroom Shitake or Lentinus Edodes is not the best anti >cancer mushroom > > and the form of beta glucan it contains is NOT orally active against >cancer. That means > > the beta glucan contained in the mushroom will not work if the mushroom or >mushroom > > extract is eaten. > > In the post below Kees Braam shows tells how a person took the shitake >mushroom extract > > as part of her cancer therapy. > > There are a number of immune stimulating compounds in the Shitake >Mushroom, the > > principle one being Lentinan, a beta-1,3d-glucan, similar to beta glucan >derived from > > yeast, but much dearer. However yeast derived beta glucan IS orally >active. > > > > Also a molecule called KS-2 can be extracted from Shitake mushroom. > > Whereas Lentinan is not orally active KS-2 is orally active. > > Just using a product called Shitake extract does not mean that extract >will have any > > orally active anti cancer effect, as the principle shitake extract >Lentinan is only ever > > given by injection. > > If you wish to use a product derived from Shitake mushroom orally make >sure it is KS- > > 2 extract not just a Shitake extract. Something called Shitake Extract may >not be orally > > active or may not work when taken orally. Similarly Shitake powder is not >taken orally. > > > > Also I personally do not support the use of thymus extract as the thymus >is one of the > > organs known to be highly infectious with Mad Cow Disease and its lethal >human form CJD. > > If you do use Thymus extract make sure it is made in New Zealand and not >in the northern > > hemisphere. > > If you take vitamin E than you should know it is far more effective >when taken with L- > > selenomethionine (organic selenium). If you wish to take L-Cysteine then >know that > > Spirulina is the richest natural source of L-Cysteine. > > > > moonbeam > > > > Alternative Medicine Review: 2000 Feb;5(1):4-27 > > > > The use of mushroom glucans and proteoglycans in cancer treatment. > > author: Kidd PM. > > > > More than 50 mushroom > > species have yielded potential immunoceuticals that exhibit anticancer > > activity in vitro or in animal models and of these, six have been > > investigated in human cancers. All are non-toxic and very well > > tolerated. Lentinan and schizophyllan have little oral activity. > > Two > > proteoglycans from Coriolus versicolor - PSK (Polysaccharide-K) and > > PSP (Polysaccharide-Peptide - have demonstrated the most promise. In > > Japanese trials since 1970, PSK significantly extended survival at > > five years or beyond in cancers of the stomach, colon-rectum, > > esophagus, nasopharynx, and lung (non-small cell types), and in a HLA > > B40-positive breast cancer subset. PSP was subjected to Phase II and > > Phase III trials in China. In double-blind trials, PSP significantly > > extended five-year survival in esophageal cancer. PSP significantly > > improved quality of life, provided substantial pain relief, and > > enhanced immune status in 70-97 percent of patients with cancers of > > the stomach, esophagus, lung, ovary, and cervix. PSK and PSP boosted > > immune cell production, ameliorated chemotherapy symptoms, and > > enhanced tumor infiltration by dendritic and cytotoxic T-cells. Their > > extremely high tolerability, proven benefits to survival and quality > > of life, and compatibility with chemotherapy and radiation therapy > > makes them well suited for cancer management regimens. > > > > Publication Types: > > Review > > Review, tutorial > > > > PMID: 10696116 > > > > > > > For the person who asked about flaxoil and lungcancer. I asked a woman >who > > > is doing quite well with her lungcancer after she started the > > > Houtsmullerdiet and supplements. If you want to read her story in >english > > > you can read at www.kanker-actueel.nl/rem_sto.html and go to number 5. > > > > > > Gr. Kees Braam > > > webmaster www.kanker-actueel.nl/index_e.html > > > > > > She gave me this additional information: > > > > > > My supplements are: > > > > thymusconcentrate > > > > lycotoma > > > > quercetin > > > > vitamine E > > > > Mutivitamines > > > > curcumin > > > > epigallo > > > > Megag > > > > L-cysteine > > > > aloe vera > > > > melatonine > > > > shiitake concentrate > > > > > > > > I also use Flor Essence with approval of my ortho doctor. > > > > My lungcancer was radiated may/jun 2000. > > > > It has not come back since > > > > good luck > > > > > > > > regards > > > > alice > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Get HUGE info at http://www.cures for cancer.ws, and post your own links >there. > > > Unsubscribe by sending email to cures for cancer-unsubscribeegroups or by > > > visiting http://www.bobhurt.com/subunsub.mv > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2001 Report Share Posted October 3, 2001 What about the beta glucan in maitake mushrooms, and from which mushrooms or from where is PSP obtained? Mildred Shitake + lung cancer From: "Kees Braam" <redactie@...>Date sent: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 17:34:26 +0200Send reply to: cures for cancer Subject: Fw: lung cancer and flax seed Hi, The mushroom Shitake or Lentinus Edodes is not the best anti cancer mushroomand the form of beta glucan it contains is NOT orally active against cancer. That meansthe beta glucan contained in the mushroom will not work if the mushroom or mushroomextract is eaten.In the post below Kees Braam shows tells how a person took the shitake mushroom extractas part of her cancer therapy. There are a number of immune stimulating compounds in the Shitake Mushroom, theprinciple one being Lentinan, a beta-1,3d-glucan, similar to beta glucan derived fromyeast, but much dearer. However yeast derived beta glucan IS orally active. Also a molecule called KS-2 can be extracted from Shitake mushroom. Whereas Lentinan is not orally active KS-2 is orally active. Just using a product called Shitake extract does not mean that extract will have anyorally active anti cancer effect, as the principle shitake extract Lentinan is only evergiven by injection. If you wish to use a product derived from Shitake mushroom orally make sure it is KS-2 extract not just a Shitake extract. Something called Shitake Extract may not be orallyactive or may not work when taken orally. Similarly Shitake powder is not taken orally. Also I personally do not support the use of thymus extract as the thymus is one of theorgans known to be highly infectious with Mad Cow Disease and its lethal human form CJD.If you do use Thymus extract make sure it is made in New Zealand and not in the northernhemisphere. If you take vitamin E than you should know it is far more effective when taken with L-selenomethionine (organic selenium). If you wish to take L-Cysteine then know thatSpirulina is the richest natural source of L-Cysteine.moonbeam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 4, 2001 Report Share Posted October 4, 2001 From: " Mildred " <mrobi85011@...> " moonbeam " <moonbeam@...>, Subject: Re: Shitake + lung cancer Date sent: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 06:45:36 -0600 > What about the beta glucan in maitake mushrooms, and from which mushrooms= > or from where is PSP obtained? Mildred Hi, There are a number of mushrooms that have orally active beta glucan, even though Shtiake mushroom (lentinous edodies) does not. For those who are very suspicious - I dont sell mushrooms. The list owner Bob, recommends Agicarius Blazei mushroom as it came out top in a test of many mushrooms for anti cancer effects, not because the listowner sells that mushroom. Other good mushrooms are Maitake mushrooms and Corilous Versicolor mushrooms. PSP is an extract from Corilous Versicolor mushroom and both the mushroom and the extract are very good forms of beta glucan to take. Maitake extracts are also available and good. If I had plenty of money I would take the inexpensive yeast derived beta glucan (3gms daily) plus one of the above mushrooms or their extracts. There are slight structural differences in all these forms of beta glucan. So a combination of cheap yeast beta glucan and a mushroom beta glucan would seem a good idea. Of course any beta glucan must be taken on an empty stomach with lots of vitamin C. moonbeam > > </B> S= > hitake + lung cancer</DIV> <DIV> & nbsp;</DIV>From: & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp;= > & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; " Kees Braam " & lt;redactie@kanker-act= > ueel.nl & gt;<BR>Date sent: & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; Sun, 30 Sep 2001 = > 17:34:26 +0200<BR>Send reply to: & nbsp; cures for cancer <BR>Subj= > ect: & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; Fw: lung canc= > er and flax seed<BR><BR> & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; Hi,<BR> & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp= > ; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; The mushroom Shitake or Lentinus Edodes i= > s not the best anti cancer mushroom<BR>and the form of beta glucan it con= > tains is NOT orally active against cancer. That means<BR>the beta glucan = > contained in the mushroom will not work if the mushroom or mushroom<BR>ex= > tract is eaten.<BR>In the post below Kees Braam shows tells how a person = > took the shitake mushroom extract<BR>as part of her cancer therapy.<BR> & n= > bsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; There are a number of immune stimulating compounds in th= > e Shitake Mushroom, the<BR>principle one being Lentinan, a beta-1,3d-gluc= > an, similar to beta glucan derived from<BR>yeast, but much dearer. Howeve= > r yeast derived beta glucan IS orally active.<BR><BR> & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; A= > lso a molecule called KS-2 can be extracted from Shitake mushroom.<BR> & nb= > sp; & nbsp; & nbsp; Whereas Lentinan is not orally active KS-2 is orally acti= > ve.<BR> & nbsp; & nbsp; Just using a product called Shitake extract does not = > mean that extract will have any<BR>orally active anti cancer effect, as t= > he principle shitake extract Lentinan is only ever<BR>given by injection.= > <BR> & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; If you wish to use a product derived from Shitake = > mushroom orally make sure it is KS-<BR>2 extract not just a Shitake extra= > ct. Something called Shitake Extract may not be orally<BR>active or may n= > ot work when taken orally. Similarly Shitake powder is not taken orally.<= > BR><BR> & nbsp; Also I personally do not support the use of thymus extract = > as the thymus is one of the<BR>organs known to be highly infectious with = > Mad Cow Disease and its lethal human form CJD.<BR>If you do use Thymus ex= > tract make sure it is made in New Zealand and not in the northern<BR>hemi= > sphere.<BR> & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; If you take vitamin E than you should know = > it is far more effective when taken with L-<BR>selenomethionine (organic = > selenium). If you wish to take L-Cysteine then know that<BR>Spirulina is = > the richest natural source of L-Cysteine.<BR><BR>moonbeam<BR><BR></BLOCKQ= > UOTE></BODY></HTML> > > ------=_NextPart_001_0001_01C14BD7.02389900-- > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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