Re: Protocol 1 vs Dr Carolyn's Protocol

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> * High dose L-Ascorbic Acid 50-150 grams/day depending on sensitivity

> test results (I use oral LipoC to avoid the diarrhea) but some

> clinics can use Beet IVC also like we do (the corn-based stuff

> generally sold is not effective anymore because the industry is

> using GMO corn and it doesn't seem to be converting to

> dihydroascorbate like it used to with the old standard unmodified

> corn-based LA...that's why we switched 2 years ago to Beet based or

> Tapioca-based)

I discussed the issue of why some clinics were seeing increases in tumor

sizes with the use of IVs of C with Arnold Takemoto of BioImmune, Inc. They

supply many of the clinics with the products they use, including the C for

IVs. He believes the problems they were seeing is due to the GMO corn based

Cs that resulted in this happening and that once they switched over to the

Beet based C, they stopped seeing this happen.

So, some of the results that were being reported may have been a result of

the use of corn based C and not from the use of Vit C itself.

Melinda Wiman

www.cancure.org

Cancer Cure Foundation

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Yes, Melinda, this is speculation but it's the best concept we can figure out

since we don't have sophisticated

equipment to determine in each case...but from a biological standpoint

generally, it makes sense...

You see, if the corn was not GMO, then farmers could save seed and wouldn't have

to buy Monsanto's anymore, which was one of the whole concepts of GMO...to

insure a continual market and keep

farmers from not needing their products anymore...remember several years ago the

stories of Farmers in India who were committing suicide because they could no

longer continue to buy seed for

their crops because after the WHO donated the initial batches to get them

started, they then had to pay the exhorbinant seed prices and once the ground is

contaminated from these fake foods,

any future crops are difficult and expensive to grow...it's a political and evil

nightmare...

I know that there is only so much beet-C powder left which Arnold bought the

world stores of, and he's trying to get another source together, but it is going

to be a huge expensive project, and

with all that is happening right now I doubt it will move forward for

awhile...or may even be an underground economic project...

That's why I'm buying as much powdered Beet C and Tapioca based C as I can to

stock if and when we get hit with biologicals (we've already been guinnea pigs

to a degree but its gonna get much

worse I'm convinced)...

OK...That's my 2 cents for now...Blessings,

Dr.B.

Melinda Wiman wrote:

> > * High dose L-Ascorbic Acid 50-150 grams/day depending on sensitivity

> > test results (I use oral LipoC to avoid the diarrhea) but some

> > clinics can use Beet IVC also like we do (the corn-based stuff

> > generally sold is not effective anymore because the industry is

> > using GMO corn and it doesn't seem to be converting to

> > dihydroascorbate like it used to with the old standard unmodified

> > corn-based LA...that's why we switched 2 years ago to Beet based or

> > Tapioca-based)

>

> I discussed the issue of why some clinics were seeing increases in tumor

> sizes with the use of IVs of C with Arnold Takemoto of BioImmune, Inc. They

> supply many of the clinics with the products they use, including the C for

> IVs. He believes the problems they were seeing is due to the GMO corn based

> Cs that resulted in this happening and that once they switched over to the

> Beet based C, they stopped seeing this happen.

>

> So, some of the results that were being reported may have been a result of

> the use of corn based C and not from the use of Vit C itself.

>

> Melinda Wiman

> www.cancure.org

> Cancer Cure Foundation

>

>

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From: " Melinda Wiman " <wiman@...>

Date sent: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 23:48:23 -0700

Subject: Re: Protocol 1 vs Dr Carolyn's Protocol

> > * High dose L-Ascorbic Acid 50-150 grams/day depending on sensitivity

> I discussed the issue of why some clinics were seeing increases in tumor

> sizes with the use of IVs of C with Arnold Takemoto of BioImmune, Inc.

Hi,

The FDA will tell you that our body only needs 50 or 100 mg of vitamin

C daily

to be healthy. A twisted and ignorant claim.

If a normal person takes more than a few hundred milligrams of vitamin C,

say 5

gms, than most of that vitamin C will be wasted and excreted in urine BECAUSE

the body

has no NEED for it, regardless of it is is a special bio-available Vitamin C.

Even if it

is bio-available, our bodies have no need for this extra vitamin C. But we can

change

that situation.

We can deliberately TRICK our body into UTILIZING many times more Vitamin C

than it

would normally utilize. This has nothing to do with what brand of vitamin C is

taken.

The TRICK is the Colony Stimulating Factor (CSF). If one takes CSF with any

brand of

vitamin C then their body will immediately UTILIZE or uptake on a cellular level

many

times more vitamin C than it normally does. So ask the doctor for some CSF,

which causes

the macrophage cells to increase their uptake of vitamin C by many fold.

If you dont like doctors then simply take beta glucan to activate the

macrophage.

When the macrophage is thus activated, it will automatically excrete lots of

CSF into

the blood. The CSF thus made by the people who take beta glucan, will allow them

to

uptake many times more vitamin C than a normal person would.

The beta glucan activated macrophage uptakes this extra vitamin C in order to

make the

cancer killing compounds produced by the macrophage. It automatically starts

making these

cancer killing compounds as soon as it is activated by the beta glucan.

So if a clinic gave extra vitamin C without inducing macrophage activation

it would

be a waste of vitamin C, as the macrophage hardly uses any vitamin C if it is in

its

normal non-activated state.

If beta glucan (3gms) is already being taken and if one can afford it, then

one

should take the best vitamin C one can get, and plenty of it. 7 to 10 gms daily

is

typical.

If it is true that this new type of vitamin C is different and does not

cause

diarrhoea when loads are taken (more than 10 gms daily), then that would suggest

it is a

very good and better form of vitamin C.

moonbeam

> They supply many of the clinics with the products they use, including the

> C for IVs. He believes the problems they were seeing is due to the GMO

> corn based Cs that resulted in this happening and that once they switched

> over to the Beet based C, they stopped seeing this happen.

>

> So, some of the results that were being reported may have been a result of

> the use of corn based C and not from the use of Vit C itself.

>

> Melinda Wiman

> www.cancure.org

> Cancer Cure Foundation

>

>

>

>

>

> Get HUGE info at http://www.cures for cancer.ws, and post your own links there.

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Vitamin C is not only used for Immune Support, it is also needed

>

> <cures for cancer >

>From: " Melinda Wiman " <wiman@...>

>Date sent: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 23:48:23 -0700

>Subject: Re: Protocol 1 vs Dr Carolyn's Protocol

>

>> > * High dose L-Ascorbic Acid 50-150 grams/day depending on sensitivity

>

>> I discussed the issue of why some clinics were seeing increases in tumor

>> sizes with the use of IVs of C with Arnold Takemoto of BioImmune, Inc.

>

> Hi,

> The FDA will tell you that our body only needs 50 or 100 mg of

vitamin C daily

>to be healthy. A twisted and ignorant claim.

> If a normal person takes more than a few hundred milligrams of vitamin C,

say 5

>gms, than most of that vitamin C will be wasted and excreted in urine BECAUSE

the body

>has no NEED for it, regardless of it is is a special bio-available Vitamin C.

Even if it

>is bio-available, our bodies have no need for this extra vitamin C. But we can

change

>that situation.

> We can deliberately TRICK our body into UTILIZING many times more Vitamin C

than it

>would normally utilize. This has nothing to do with what brand of vitamin C is

taken.

> The TRICK is the Colony Stimulating Factor (CSF). If one takes CSF with any

brand of

>vitamin C then their body will immediately UTILIZE or uptake on a cellular

level many

>times more vitamin C than it normally does. So ask the doctor for some CSF,

which causes

>the macrophage cells to increase their uptake of vitamin C by many fold.

> If you dont like doctors then simply take beta glucan to activate the

macrophage.

> When the macrophage is thus activated, it will automatically excrete lots

of CSF into

>the blood. The CSF thus made by the people who take beta glucan, will allow

them to

>uptake many times more vitamin C than a normal person would.

> The beta glucan activated macrophage uptakes this extra vitamin C in order

to make the

>cancer killing compounds produced by the macrophage. It automatically starts

making these

>cancer killing compounds as soon as it is activated by the beta glucan.

> So if a clinic gave extra vitamin C without inducing macrophage activation

it would

>be a waste of vitamin C, as the macrophage hardly uses any vitamin C if it is

in its

>normal non-activated state.

> If beta glucan (3gms) is already being taken and if one can afford it, then

one

>should take the best vitamin C one can get, and plenty of it. 7 to 10 gms daily

is

>typical.

> If it is true that this new type of vitamin C is different and does not

cause

>diarrhoea when loads are taken (more than 10 gms daily), then that would

suggest it is a

>very good and better form of vitamin C.

>

> moonbeam

>

>

>

>

>> They supply many of the clinics with the products they use, including the

>> C for IVs. He believes the problems they were seeing is due to the GMO

>> corn based Cs that resulted in this happening and that once they switched

>> over to the Beet based C, they stopped seeing this happen.

>>

>> So, some of the results that were being reported may have been a result of

>> the use of corn based C and not from the use of Vit C itself.

>>

>> Melinda Wiman

>> www.cancure.org

>> Cancer Cure Foundation

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> Get HUGE info at http://www.cures for cancer.ws, and post your own links there.

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>>

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From: Joyce Inouye <jinouy01@...>

Date sent: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 11:19:18 -0700 (PDT)

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Subject: Re: Re: Protocol 1 vs Dr Carolyn's Protocol

>

> Vitamin C is not only used for Immune Support, it is also needed

Hi,

my car needs gasolene to run. When I drive slow it doesnt use much

gasolene, but

when I tow a big, heavy load it uses many times more fuel than normal.

Same for Vitamin C. When healthy, the body needs only a little Vitamin C. But

when

macrophage activation is induced by beta glucan, it causes the macrophage to use

up

Vitamin C many times more quickly than normal. It uses the Vitamin C to make

cancer

killing chemicals that it normally does not make - cytokines.

The macrophage only makes lots of these chemicals when it is activated, so

when

activated, the macrophage uses many times more vitamin C than normal, hence the

body

needs to intake many times more Vitamin C than it normally does - if beta glucan

is taken

to induce macrophage ativation.

moonbeam

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In a message dated 9/15/2001 1:45:12 PM Central Daylight Time,

drcnb@... writes:

<< beet-C >>

What is beet-C? Tapicoa C?

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Active L-Ascorbic acid (left-rotation) is made from glucose that starts usually

with Corn (Karo Syrup). When it is buffered with calcium, magnesium, and

sometimes sodium, it is called

Ascorbate. However, because of the fact that GMO (genetically modified) corn

is now being used to make 99% of Ascorbate, we've noticed clinically that we

don't get the same results as we used

to (for instance with influenza you could give 50 grams in 8 hrs. and completely

knock it out...not anymore). Dr.Brodie in Reno and other research chemists are

postulating that it no longer is

turning to di-hydroascorbate in the blood because somehow in the manufacture of

GMO Ascorbic acid, it has damaged or is missing an enzyme pathway.

Hence, we switched some 3 years ago to Ascorbate that comes from either beet

sugar or sago palm (tapioca)...Ester C is a famous trademark of that type. I

imagine it will only be a matter of

time until beets are also damaged from genetic engineering to make them more

pest resistant, however so far the raw material is fine. There are a few

companies also looking at making

L-Ascorbic from Rice also...

So, that's the story of " Beet C " in a nutshell.

Dr.B.

appbug@... wrote:

> In a message dated 9/15/2001 1:45:12 PM Central Daylight Time,

> drcnb@... writes:

>

> << beet-C >>

> What is beet-C? Tapicoa C?

>

>

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Are you saying that the Vitamin C IV's and megadoses of Vitamin C are useless unless the body is given some form of beta glucan? Mildred Re: Protocol 1 vs Dr Carolyn's Protocol> > * High dose L-Ascorbic Acid 50-150 grams/day depending on sensitivity> I discussed the issue of why some clinics were seeing increases in tumor> sizes with the use of IVs of C with Arnold Takemoto of BioImmune, Inc. Hi, The FDA will tell you that our body only needs 50 or 100 mg of vitamin C dailyto be healthy. A twisted and ignorant claim. If a normal person takes more than a few hundred milligrams of vitamin C, say 5gms, than most of that vitamin C will be wasted and excreted in urine BECAUSE the bodyhas no NEED for it, regardless of it is is a special bio-available Vitamin C. Even if itis bio-available, our bodies have no need for this extra vitamin C. But we can changethat situation. We can deliberately TRICK our body into UTILIZING many times more Vitamin C than itwould normally utilize. This has nothing to do with what brand of vitamin C is taken. The TRICK is the Colony Stimulating Factor (CSF). If one takes CSF with any brand ofvitamin C then their body will immediately UTILIZE or uptake on a cellular level manytimes more vitamin C than it normally does. So ask the doctor for some CSF, which causesthe macrophage cells to increase their uptake of vitamin C by many fold. If you dont like doctors then simply take beta glucan to activate the macrophage. When the macrophage is thus activated, it will automatically excrete lots of CSF intothe blood. The CSF thus made by the people who take beta glucan, will allow them touptake many times more vitamin C than a normal person would. The beta glucan activated macrophage uptakes this extra vitamin C in order to make thecancer killing compounds produced by the macrophage. It automatically starts making thesecancer killing compounds as soon as it is activated by the beta glucan. So if a clinic gave extra vitamin C without inducing macrophage activation it wouldbe a waste of vitamin C, as the macrophage hardly uses any vitamin C if it is in itsnormal non-activated state. If beta glucan (3gms) is already being taken and if one can afford it, then oneshould take the best vitamin C one can get, and plenty of it. 7 to 10 gms daily istypical. If it is true that this new type of vitamin C is different and does not causediarrhoea when loads are taken (more than 10 gms daily), then that would suggest it is avery good and better form of vitamin C. moonbeam> They supply many of the clinics with the products they use, including the> C for IVs. He believes the problems they were seeing is due to the GMO> corn based Cs that resulted in this happening and that once they switched> over to the Beet based C, they stopped seeing this happen.>> So, some of the results that were being reported may have been a result of> the use of corn based C and not from the use of Vit C itself.>> Melinda Wiman> www.cancure.org> Cancer Cure Foundation>>>>>> Get HUGE info at http://www.cures for cancer.ws, and post your own links there.> Unsubscribe by sending email to cures for cancer-unsubscribeegroups or by> visiting http://www.bobhurt.com/subunsub.mv>>