Question for the group

October 10, 2002

In a message dated 10/9/02 3:41:07 PM Central Daylight Time,

tavalon@... writes:

> What protocol is Amy Holmes using now. She mentioned that it doesn't include

> chelation but didn't give details about what it is or why the switch. Does

> anyone here have any info?

>

A friend of mine is still doing chelation for her daughter through Dr. Holmes

but is being pushed to look strongly at the MT promoter.

Gaylen

January 5, 2004

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mcclaingrace <kim+@...> wrote:

Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2004 00:25:47 -0000

From: " mcclaingrace "

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Subject: Re: question for the group

don't know about Dr. G but Have 3.5 yr male on Celexa I tried

Prozac, Paxil, Celexa and Zoloft. Went back to Celexa for good. It

helped with all obsessive behavior. Paxil made him tired Prozac made

everything worse.Zoloft made him moody. Still try them I suggest

Paxil 1st at night especially if he is a bad sleeper. Celexa works

first thing in the AM. Remember you always see bad behavior at

first you need to stick out 4-6 weeks for the real test do get going.

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March 29, 2006

I'm on the Eon Labs CSM too. I seemed to have lost weight on it too

but not sure if really from it or just not much appetite or both. Will

see if I gain a few pounds adding Ensure etc. I have also felt

weakness but can't say for sure if from CSM or the Spring allergens

which affect me. Think by May I will be able to tell if from allergens

or CSM. Also, the detoxing probably causes some weakness. I didn't

feel this weak before CSM or I wouldn't have been able to try to detox

my toxic house and find 3 companies for the makeover. Could be also

that I inhaled tons more toxins with those air scrubbers and cleaning

up...Hmmm, seems my memory and cognitive stuff changed also. No

throwing up blood for me. I do not have the box with me at work to see

what inert ingredients are in the Eons Lab CSM. I have had near 25

years of exposure from house and home and who knows about before that.

I lived in a mobile home before my house and I recall it didn't have a

place for filter changes. It had some weird metal thing I remember my

dad showing me and I bet that could have molded also. Wonder if all

mobile homes are like that with the metal type whatever it is called in

mobile homes. Then my dad acts like their home has mold in hvac/ducts

so I may have been exposed all my life along with other toxins. And

I'm still alive!

If CSM is toxin binding, how about all the toxins from all the years

the body has already absorbed. If it's keeping the toxins I'm

breathing in now from being absorbed in the intestines, what about all

that has already been absorb? And when we breathe, they go in lungs and

nose too before traveling throughout the body.

It's low humidity here today and been real dry for a while. That makes

me feel icky but is 70 to day.

Rhonda

>

> My family had a 5 year mold exposure. We are now seeing Dr.

Shoemaker.

> I have been on csm for 11 monthes before seeing Dr.Shoemaker. I

started having the rare side effects. lost 30 lbs in one month, severe

muscle weakness " espically in arms " , severe cognative issues and memory

problems, and started throwing up " looked like there was dark colored

blood,when I gagged. I called DR. Shoemaker and he switched me

to " welchol " . Has anyone taken welchol? any information would be

appreciated. I was taken cholestyramine orange powder by Eon Labs.

> Thanks cm

>

March 29, 2006

meant Work and Home.....

--- In , " Rhonda " <rhondaleokitty@...>

wrote:

>

I have had near 25

> years of exposure from house and home and who knows about before

that.

>

March 29, 2006

Hi Rhonda,

Sorry I have taken so long to say hello again. I will agree that since I

started the CSM I have had a massive lack of energy and it feels like I have

just been through the most brutal boot camp ever. I couldn't tell you what does

not hurt. I am sure I am adding fuel to the fire but to combat this I have

purposely started a project to keep me busy. I could not get a decent offer for

my saltwater aquarium so I took a closet and cut a hole in the wall and

converted it to an aquarium lab with only the face of the aquarium showing in

the room. I have run a fan to the outdoors to vent any extra humidity and also

giving me the ability to connect my computer to this exhaust as well. without

any further details you can see I started a big project but my problem is that I

can only go at it about 3-4 hours at a time before I need a nap.

On the positive side I have noticed a major improvement to my sinuses and

headaches. I can give no reference yet to weight because I am a small man and

loose and gain weight with the blow of the wind, my only reference point is the

170 i weigh now is the heaviest I have ever weighed. This could be from age or

this illness I don't know but no change yet, I am not to much of an eater anyway

but since I am changing diet its not like I can go grab some munchies so, no, I

don't eat allot so we will see.

I wonder if this lady had low cholesterol already and that is why she may have

had a reaction to the CSM?

Anyway, I am going to begin on my project again (Which is silly cause I am

staying with my parents for now) and see what I can accomplish today. My last

comment on that is that I wonder how much mental anguish of being ill has to do

with our energy levels? I know if I don't feel well (like with the flu) I don't

want to do anything and don't have the energy to do it either. This illness is

different in many ways but I wonder if the same applies?

It was good to hear from you and I am glad to hear that you are even just a

little better. You should post a picture now, and another one in about six

months or so and see how many people could point out the differences. That

would be interesting to have others opinions, hell we all should have done

that??? Ok I will talk to you soon, you take care along with all the other

friends here on the board.

Chris...

March 29, 2006

Hi I got sick 2 yrs. ago in my school. I had many symptoms before

seeing the Dr. and one of them was debilitating fatigue. After I started

taking the CSM 4X a day I remember being even more tired but it was different

because I could actually sleep! All I did was sleep, probably about 14 hrs. a

day!! Honestly it was like being in a coma. I think it's because the CSM is

working hard to pull the toxins out of your system and it just drains you. I

took the CSM for about 8 months and now only take it 2X a day unless I've had

an exposure someplace. Then I up it to 4X a day for a week. I never had any

problems with it like some people do. It made me a little constipated and

bloated but that's all. I took it religiously and NEVER missed a dose. Two yrs.

later I am feeling SO much better but still at home and unemployed.

Sue

Hi Rhonda,

Sorry I have taken so long to say hello again. I will agree that since I

started the CSM I have had a massive lack of energy and it feels like I have

just been through the most brutal boot camp ever. I couldn't tell you what does

not hurt. I am sure I am adding fuel to the fire but to combat this I have

purposely started a project to keep me busy. I could not get a decent offer

for my saltwater aquarium so I took a closet and cut a hole in the wall and

converted it to an aquarium lab with only the face of the aquarium showing in

the room. I have run a fan to the outdoors to vent any extra humidity and

also giving me the ability to connect my computer to this exhaust as well.

without any further details you can see I started a big project but my problem

is that I can only go at it about 3-4 hours at a time before I need a nap.

March 29, 2006

My fatigue isn't from mental anguish, nope. here on the group

saw me in person and she can tell everyone how Normal I look. I do

not look as anything is wrong with me and she doesn't look like it

either, at least not the last time I saw her 3 weeks ago.

As far as the other post with the bad side affects from CSM and her

cholesterol, I don't have high cholesterol either and I hope the CSM

doesn't do anything strang to my cholesterol. I have High HDL which

is the so called good one. Two years ago when last tested the HDL

was 89 and think the LDL was 102 with total 191. I wondered why

total was that high but it was because of the HDL which is good to be

higher.

Goodluck with your aquarium project and the CSM. Maybe that

tiredness is from the detoxing and will pass. I have been able to get

out of the bed better this week in morning than last two weeks

so.....

Eating, well my friends use to say how do you eat all that and stay

so small so I know the mycotoxins took my appetite and think that is

it and not the CSM. I noticed a year or so ago that appetite was

changing. I use to get motivated to cook and now have stuff freezer

burning in freezer. I want to get back to somewhat normal and hope I

will. Like I said, I was better until my heat came on and the air

scrubbers just tried to get me more. Maybe if I can smell and taste

like I use to might help if nose isn't too far gone.

I hope CSM isn't depleting any vitamins and minerals from me...I'm

taking before lunch and before whatever I can eat at night. Twice

daily for now...

Rhonda

>

> Hi Rhonda,

> Sorry I have taken so long to say hello again. I will agree that

since I started the CSM I have had a massive lack of energy and it

feels like I have just been through the most brutal boot camp ever. I

couldn't tell you what does not hurt. I am sure I am adding fuel to

the fire but to combat this I have purposely started a project to

keep me busy. I could not get a decent offer for my saltwater

aquarium so I took a closet and cut a hole in the wall and converted

it to an aquarium lab with only the face of the aquarium showing in

the room. I have run a fan to the outdoors to vent any extra

humidity and also giving me the ability to connect my computer to

this exhaust as well. without any further details you can see I

started a big project but my problem is that I can only go at it

about 3-4 hours at a time before I need a nap.

> On the positive side I have noticed a major improvement to my

sinuses and headaches. I can give no reference yet to weight because

I am a small man and loose and gain weight with the blow of the wind,

my only reference point is the 170 i weigh now is the heaviest I have

ever weighed. This could be from age or this illness I don't know but

no change yet, I am not to much of an eater anyway but since I am

changing diet its not like I can go grab some munchies so, no, I

don't eat allot so we will see.

> I wonder if this lady had low cholesterol already and that is why

she may have had a reaction to the CSM?

> Anyway, I am going to begin on my project again (Which is silly

cause I am staying with my parents for now) and see what I can

accomplish today. My last comment on that is that I wonder how much

mental anguish of being ill has to do with our energy levels? I know

if I don't feel well (like with the flu) I don't want to do anything

and don't have the energy to do it either. This illness is different

in many ways but I wonder if the same applies?

> It was good to hear from you and I am glad to hear that you are

even just a little better. You should post a picture now, and

another one in about six months or so and see how many people could

point out the differences. That would be interesting to have others

opinions, hell we all should have done that??? Ok I will talk to you

soon, you take care along with all the other friends here on the

board.

> Chris...

>

March 30, 2006

Rhonda,

You don't have to look mental or act like it they give it to you those that

don't want truth told remember the old saying Divide and conquer. the way I see

things people that put other down with out investigating maybe just maybe they

are part of the problem!?. Remember they also say you are what you eat and the

company that you keep.

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