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November 3, 2003

Hey Jersey Guy,

I'm from Jersey too, northern area. And it just so happens I did take Sf722,

Ifound it to be helpful and was doing whole candida clearance program from

that site. I only made it about 6-8 wks, and was good for a little while and

then

it came back. There is a product on that site called Complete Thymic Formula

by DR Burgstiner and it has drastically improved me, along with Colostrum also

on that site. I have been taking Threelac for several months now and find

that combined with the other two tohave given me my life back. Threelac is on

www.candida-defense.com. I've been at this for over a year and I've used alot of

products, and I think these three are a winning combo. Kim

November 4, 2003

Could someone or even a couple of you write for me a sample of what you eat??

If i were to plan my days eating what would i cook, what would i buy in a

restaurant? What should my shopping list consist of? What do you snack on?

Until i find a doctor that can help me with this I have to rely on you..

And Im in the New York area, if anyone is in the same area could you tell me

what doctor you use and if you shop anywhere special

I have been told there is a supermarket in Long Island that sells all

speciality foods for people with dietary restrictions

Thanks

h

November 4, 2003

I buy alot of eggs, Ezekeil bread wholegrain sprouted it's in freezer

section in Kings supermarket or health food store sells it. Veggies and hummus.

I do

eat dairy, some people don't. I buy organic milk and yogurt plain. you can

make salad dressing and dips with it by adding spices, dill is a good one. Nut

butters, almond butter, and I ate alot of cashew butter, some people say no to

this. No peanut butter, and buy natural butters with no sugar added. Lots of

nuts for snacks, almonds and walnuts. I eat cheese too. Also brown rice and

brown rice cakes 1 time a day is OK. Selter water with flavors but no sugar and

green tea. This is my basic diet. Now that I'm better I like vanilla yogurt and

sometimes have a piece of fruit. Don't eat raisins and dried fruit due to

mold. Melons are full of mold too. Citrus is best bet. Meats, you can make

stirfrys and grill things. Get a Foreman grill. Use a cupcake tin and

make

baby quiches without crust in them use eggs, cheese and veggies. Hope this

helps! Kim

November 4, 2003

thank you Yes it does help a lot

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I buy alot of eggs, Ezekeil bread wholegrain sprouted it's in freezer

section in Kings supermarket or health food store sells it. Veggies and

hummus. I do

eat dairy, some people don't. I buy organic milk and yogurt plain. you can

make salad dressing and dips with it by adding spices, dill is a good one.

Nut

butters, almond butter, and I ate alot of cashew butter, some people say no

to

this. No peanut butter, and buy natural butters with no sugar added. Lots of

nuts for snacks, almonds and walnuts. I eat cheese too. Also brown rice and

brown rice cakes 1 time a day is OK. Selter water with flavors but no sugar

and

green tea. This is my basic diet. Now that I'm better I like vanilla yogurt

and

sometimes have a piece of fruit. Don't eat raisins and dried fruit due to

mold. Melons are full of mold too. Citrus is best bet. Meats, you can make

stirfrys and grill things. Get a Foreman grill. Use a cupcake tin and

make

baby quiches without crust in them use eggs, cheese and veggies. Hope this

helps! Kim

November 4, 2003

Hi,

Living in New York, you shouldn't have much trouble find a Holistic

Practioner. I gather you live in or near the city, by your comment about Long

Island. I

live in the Adirondack Mountains and was able to find a doctor. To my

surprise!!

As for diet cut out all sugar, bread, potatoes, soda, caffeine anything that

has sugar or will turn in to sugar once eaten. You should avoid alchol and

fruits right now. So, basically just starting out you go with veggies and meat

or

fish, poultry and read your labels! Even if it says it's Sugar Free, don't

believe it, read the ingredients, look for corn syrup, molasses, sugarlous or

any other OUS. Also no vinegar! If you can't make it yourself. You probably

shouldn't eat it.

I wish I could practice what I preach, I am having a horrible time right now

with this diet. Yet, my symptoms have doubled in some cases trippled. Don't

understand how it could be die off when I'm still feeding it??? More from me

later. : )

Anyway, there are several good books and cookbooks. Try amazon.com or the

Health section at your local library. Right now I can't afford the book, but I

can afford to copy a few pages of them. My MD doesn't accept insurance and she

charges $150.00 a week. Plus the supplements, I'm on 9 of them, can make you

bankrupt in a short time.

One more thing, you should keep your stress level at a minimial to none. For

me that's like saying, " Go ahead and jump off the Empire State Building,

you''ll land on your feet and be just fine!!! "

Anyway, Good Luck! It's a LONG and HARD road with many detours. I've seen

about 3 already.

Tammy

November 4, 2003

MANY holistic practioners but non that take insurance

but ill kee[ plugging away meanwhile i gonna copy diet suggestions and see

if i can get som candex ?? i think people have been recommending

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Hi,

Living in New York, you shouldn't have much trouble find a Holistic

Practioner. I gather you live in or near the city, by your comment about Long

Island. I

live in the Adirondack Mountains and was able to find a doctor. To my

surprise!!

As for diet cut out all sugar, bread, potatoes, soda, caffeine anything that

has sugar or will turn in to sugar once eaten. You should avoid alchol and

fruits right now. So, basically just starting out you go with veggies and

meat or

fish, poultry and read your labels! Even if it says it's Sugar Free, don't

believe it, read the ingredients, look for corn syrup, molasses, sugarlous or

any other OUS. Also no vinegar! If you can't make it yourself. You probably

shouldn't eat it.

I wish I could practice what I preach, I am having a horrible time right now

with this diet. Yet, my symptoms have doubled in some cases trippled. Don't

understand how it could be die off when I'm still feeding it??? More from me

later. : )

Anyway, there are several good books and cookbooks. Try amazon.com or the

Health section at your local library. Right now I can't afford the book, but

I

can afford to copy a few pages of them. My MD doesn't accept insurance and

she

charges $150.00 a week. Plus the supplements, I'm on 9 of them, can make you

bankrupt in a short time.

One more thing, you should keep your stress level at a minimial to none. For

me that's like saying, " Go ahead and jump off the Empire State Building,

you''ll land on your feet and be just fine!!! "

Anyway, Good Luck! It's a LONG and HARD road with many detours. I've seen

about 3 already.

Tammy

November 4, 2003

the more i hear from you people the more i can be informed

i may go to a store tomorrow and buy candex if i can find it any

suggestions

and perhaps barnes and nobel for a book with diet

i just had tuna salad damn rad the mayo lable and read vinegar and

sugar

Im so used to eating no carbs the Atkins way and mayo was encouraged

hard to me to relearn and I NEED to lose weight

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Date: 11/4/2003 2:52:56 PM Eastern Standard Time

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I have to wonder if we are kidding ourselves... we are taking $$$

supplements to kill off the Candidia... yet we can't stick to the

diet... and when we have symptoms we think it is die off when really it

is the Candidia flaring up because we are not giving our bodies the

chance to get the intestinal tract back in balance. We might as well be

throwing our money down the toilet as it seems to go there one way or

the other! ;-)

I guess this just hits home because this last flare up of mine was due

to " cheesecake " ... (plus some other no no's) I had to have it and did

not fully " get it " about diet and this disorder. So I ate 2 pieces...

and now 6 weeks later and a few hundred dollars shorter... I am still

trying to get things back in balance.

Junk/high carb foods... or your health.... it is a choice we each have

to make... and wisely.

Dabs

Healing1003@... wrote:

>Snippet:

>

>I wish I could practice what I preach, I am having a horrible time right now

>with this diet. Yet, my symptoms have doubled in some cases trippled. Don't

>understand how it could be die off when I'm still feeding it??? More from me

>later. : )

>

>Anyway, there are several good books and cookbooks. Try amazon.com or the

>Health section at your local library. Right now I can't afford the book, but

I

>can afford to copy a few pages of them. My MD doesn't accept insurance and

she

>charges $150.00 a week. Plus the supplements, I'm on 9 of them, can make you

>bankrupt in a short time.

>

November 4, 2003

Dabs,

I'm with ya!!! This diet sucks! The supplements are expensive. But, what are

to do? Just keep on trying.

Tammy

November 4, 2003

Except for you can't eat the cheeses the nuts the mushrooms... So, it's NOT

at all like atkins.

Tammy

November 4, 2003

Dabs,

Is Atkins canditia diet in the book or is it a seperate book? I did read the

chapter but maybe I missed something. I'd like to ask you and others. How

much do you think stress is related to the flare ups and such?

Tammy

November 4, 2003

I can still eat dairy. What I found was: My regural MD told me to cut out

sugar and white flour. (For weight loss) So, I switch to wheat bread and it was

okay for about 10 days then everything went to h*ll!! I'm much worse now than

when I ate white bread. So once in a while I do have a bun or white bread. I'm

allergic to most nuts. Have ben for years. I'm also allergic to citrus fruits.

Which makes it hard to make the salad dressings and such (with the lemon and

lime). I'm slowly finding what works and doesn't for me. Just seems there

should be a quicker, less expensive and painful way to get rid of canditita?

Tammy

November 4, 2003

I couldn't agree more about the POSITIVE attitude. I was doing great! No

soda, sweets in 3 weeks. I lost 12 pounds, then My dad (53) died suddenly on

October 21.

So, food is a comfort and all the platters of suagry treats and such, kinda

through me way of track. It's been 2 weeks now, but I guess that's not enough

time to get back to thinking positively about much of anything.

My husband and I own our own business Pizza & Sub Shop! My stress level from

the business is enough to give someone a stroke.

Then our daughter is an aspiring actress at 11 years old and has an upcoming

audition with Disney, that's 300+ miles from home. So, I'm just a clutter mess

right now.

Tammy

November 4, 2003

Dabs,

I'm going to dig out my Atkins book and give it another chance. Also my

doctor put me one SouthBeach diet. Is it similar? So, are you saying if your

body

can tolerate it even though some say you can't have it, then you really can

have it???

Tammy

November 4, 2003

Hello caholt@...,

In reference to your comment:

è Atkins is very adaptable and the book even has a

è chapter on Candidia overgrowth

can you tell me where?? I did see a couple of lines but if there is more id

like to know

i was on atkins and didnt lose weight

first time that ever happened to me now its been that way for 3 years

(since i suspect that i developed this condition) and its terribly frustrating

when i get terribly frustrated i, like an alcoholic, around booze, just

start to eat. It is like im am a wild feral animal finding that last kill

before

the snows

I eat breat, candy, cake, pasta, thats all i crave and i just keep eating

till I either get sick or go to bed Often crying while I am eating

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I beg to differ with you... it is very much like Atkins. Ok... yes...

no mushrooms... some nuts are OK... macadamia, pecans, hazelnuts,

almonds.... while peanuts... cashews and most others... are not.

According to Atkins mozzarella and cream cheese and heavy cream is Ok

all used in moderation, thought some people may not be able to use some

or all of them. Atkins is very adaptable and the book even has a

chapter on Candidia overgrowth. It has worked well for me in the 11

months. The only times I have had problems is when I went off plan...

that was my fault.

Once you let go of the focus on what you can't eat because of the

Candidia... you will be able to see everything else you can eat that is

good and healthy for you. Find a food plan and try it out and adapt it

to your individual needs. There is always a solution... you just need

to keep at it until you find it.

Dabs

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>Except for you can't eat the cheeses the nuts the mushrooms... So, it's NOT

>at all like atkins.

>Tammy

>

November 4, 2003

I always have a burning tongue even when i dont have thrush, which i get

often, and the thought of dressing with lemon juice or lime juice sends me up

the

wall

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I can still eat dairy. What I found was: My regural MD told me to cut out

sugar and white flour. (For weight loss) So, I switch to wheat bread and it

was

okay for about 10 days then everything went to h*ll!! I'm much worse now than

when I ate white bread. So once in a while I do have a bun or white bread.

I'm

allergic to most nuts. Have ben for years. I'm also allergic to citrus

fruits.

Which makes it hard to make the salad dressings and such (with the lemon and

lime). I'm slowly finding what works and doesn't for me. Just seems there

should be a quicker, less expensive and painful way to get rid of canditita?

Tammy

November 4, 2003

I think we all hear different things from different people I have heard that

Stress can flare up thrush and/or candida albicans

so i assume that if you have what you have going on you are in a high risk

time

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Dabs,

Is Atkins canditia diet in the book or is it a seperate book? I did read the

chapter but maybe I missed something. I'd like to ask you and others. How

much do you think stress is related to the flare ups and such?

Tammy

November 4, 2003

south beach is similar but not as strick as im recall

i just want to know how much strickter do i need to do the atkins or what

differences

every site i have gone to is differetn

well for now im following atkins but trying not to eat anything with yeast

nothing smoked (which removes cold cuts bacon, no cheese except in very

small doses and havent figured out what else yet

got fat free dairy mate today it has less carbs and no sugar versus heavy

cream which has sugar

So im trying anyway

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Dabs,

I'm going to dig out my Atkins book and give it another chance. Also my

doctor put me one SouthBeach diet. Is it similar? So, are you saying if your

body

can tolerate it even though some say you can't have it, then you really can

have it???

Tammy

November 4, 2003

Hello caholt@...,

In reference to your comment:

è The purpose of the first Phase of Atkins - Induction is

è to de-tox your body of the carbs and cravings. If you

è have been eating a high carb, sugary diet the

è withdrawal symptoms are worst, but it can be done...

è and well worth it.

thank you for the support

i will re look and see if i have the updated book and find it but doesnt

matter you said it very well

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Chapter 25 - Yeast Reactions in his book titled: Dr. Atkin's New Diet

Revolution.

Food allergies/food intolerance's can go hand in hand with

Candidiasis.... but also high carb foods can cause cravings. I was like

an alcoholic with milk... I loved my milk...had to have my milk... lots

of milk. Well... I am allergic to milk... and we crave what we are

allergic to... it is like an addiction... is an addiction. You get your

temporary " fix " and you feel better... like a drug high... only to come

crashing down and then you feel worse and the craving starts all over again.

The purpose of the first Phase of Atkins - Induction is to de-tox your

body of the carbs and cravings. If you have been eating a high carb,

sugary diet the withdrawal symptoms are worst, but it can be done... and

well worth it.

Dabs

sensualwordz@... wrote:

>Hello caholt@...,

>

>In reference to your comment:

>

>è Atkins is very adaptable and the book even has a

>è chapter on Candidia overgrowth

>

>can you tell me where?? I did see a couple of lines but if there is more id

>like to know

>i was on atkins and didnt lose weight

>first time that ever happened to me now its been that way for 3 years

>(since i suspect that i developed this condition) and its terribly

frustrating

>when i get terribly frustrated i, like an alcoholic, around booze, just

>start to eat. It is like im am a wild feral animal finding that last kill

before

>the snows

>I eat breat, candy, cake, pasta, thats all i crave and i just keep eating

>till I either get sick or go to bed Often crying while I am eating

>

November 4, 2003

I have to wonder if we are kidding ourselves... we are taking $$$

supplements to kill off the Candidia... yet we can't stick to the

diet... and when we have symptoms we think it is die off when really it

is the Candidia flaring up because we are not giving our bodies the

chance to get the intestinal tract back in balance. We might as well be

throwing our money down the toilet as it seems to go there one way or

the other! ;-)

I guess this just hits home because this last flare up of mine was due

to " cheesecake " ... (plus some other no no's) I had to have it and did

not fully " get it " about diet and this disorder. So I ate 2 pieces...

and now 6 weeks later and a few hundred dollars shorter... I am still

trying to get things back in balance.

Junk/high carb foods... or your health.... it is a choice we each have

to make... and wisely.

Dabs

Healing1003@... wrote:

>Snippet:

>

>I wish I could practice what I preach, I am having a horrible time right now

>with this diet. Yet, my symptoms have doubled in some cases trippled. Don't

>understand how it could be die off when I'm still feeding it??? More from me

>later. : )

>

>Anyway, there are several good books and cookbooks. Try amazon.com or the

>Health section at your local library. Right now I can't afford the book, but I

>can afford to copy a few pages of them. My MD doesn't accept insurance and she

>charges $150.00 a week. Plus the supplements, I'm on 9 of them, can make you

>bankrupt in a short time.

>

November 4, 2003

There's no need for whining. If you switch to a low carb diet (basically Atkins)

you can eat like a king... or queen. I eat better now on Atkins than I ever did

before! Get the book if you need ideas on what to eat.

> Dabs,

>

> I'm with ya!!! This diet sucks! The supplements are expensive. But, what are

> to do? Just keep on trying.

> Tammy

November 4, 2003

Yes... exactly Tammy... keep on trying... for as long as we do that we

can not fail.

This last flare up was bad enough to convince me that a healthy,

wholesome diet is the firm foundation for relief from this disorder. I

am only in denial if I think I can eat junk/high carb low nutrition

foods while attempting to regain and maintain my health. It is no

longer worth the momentary taste pleasure I get from it because I pay

dearly long after.

Now I look for highly nutritious food choices... veggies, meats, fish,

poultry, nuts, a bit of some dairy (I do Atkins Candidiasis diet)... I

just added in a small amount of organic oatmeal this week. More and

more I am making things from scratch and keeping it simple. and I drink

filtered water... water... water...!

Dabs

Healing1003@... wrote:

>Dabs,

>

>Snippet:

>

But, what are to do? Just keep on trying.

>Tammy

>

November 4, 2003

Everyone's different. Dairy and nuts don't bother me at all.

> Except for you can't eat the cheeses the nuts the mushrooms... So, it's NOT

> at all like atkins.

> Tammy

November 4, 2003

Of course a key ingredient to healing is a POSITIVE attitude.

> Except for you can't eat the cheeses the nuts the mushrooms... So, it's NOT

> at all like atkins.

> Tammy

November 4, 2003