Re: My run-in with the ped

[Guest guest]

I always say that you might wanna rethink " well-baby " visits. My naturopath

doctor won't even do them because he says they are unnecessary. Of course I

already knew that!

Find a new doc. Yours sucks! Heeheehee

Want help locating a more alternative doc, lemme know I'll repost the info.

Kathleen

" We child-proofed our house 3 years ago but they're still getting in! "

In a message dated 12/12/2001 1:30:34 PM Central Standard Time,

trisha@... writes:

> took my 2 month old daughter in for her check-up and told my ped

> that I wasn't going through with her immunizations just yet. He got

> pretty upset and proceded to write on my receipt that " patient is

> aware blah blah blah and possible death " , and whetever else he said,

> couldn't really read it. I asked him if they have eliminated

> thermisol in vaccines yet and he had the nerve to tell me that they

> haven't had thermisol in them since they were created, whatever. And

> told me that he will hassle me every time I come in for her check-ups

> to get her vaccinated. So basically I had a really crappy experience

> with her new ped. and don't know if I should even bother taking her

> in anymore?? Should I go back to him or find another? This is her

> second ped in two months. I probably won't find a " good " doc with an

> HMO.

>

> Thanks,

> Trisha

> Vaccinated 3yr old (who thankfully didn't have any problems)

> 2month

[Guest guest]

Trisha,

why bother with peds. they are a bunch of psychopaths i have found, except

for a few special ones. You'd swear they get commission from selling

antibiotics, formula and vaccines. i find them undermining of breastfeeding,

they treat mothers like idiots, and are insensitive and rough with babies.

You need them to get the baby out of the hospital but after that get rid of

them!!!

I watched my 2 week old precious infant scream her head off, while the woman

ped stretched the scab on her navel up and down till the raw bits were

visible telling me that " it doesnt hurt " , she then told me its dangerous to

sleep with my baby, that i could break her arm etc, not that i was even

sleeping with her. her partner then told me to switch to soy formula when my

baby got a loose stool. this was over the phone. no diagnosis. do you know

how damaging soy formula is?

i then found an anthroposphical doctor who did a stool test and put her on

probiotics. no more " diarrhea " . SHe regularly weighs, measures, checks,

advises and helps me make decisions. i feel she works with me, not against

me. she works with my duaghters body, not against it. hates antibiotics and

most vaccines. i woudl NEVER go back to a pediatrician.

why dont you try a good old fashioned family doctor who has had a lot of kids

of his or her own, and who works with kids. there must be an alternative

doctor in your neighbourhod. try an anthroposophical doctor. i think they are

great all round doctors who do no harm. where do you live?

in the old days no one went to peds. what for????????????????

k

In a message dated 12/12/2001 1:30:27 PM Central Standard Time,

trisha@... writes:

> Subj: My run-in with the ped

> Date:12/12/2001 1:30:27 PM Central Standard Time

> From: trisha@... (mattsmommee)

> Reply-to: <A

HREF= " mailto:Vaccinations " >Vaccinations </A>

> Vaccinations

>

>

>

>

> I took my 2 month old daughter in for her check-up and told my ped

> that I wasn't going through with her immunizations just yet. He got

> pretty upset and proceded to write on my receipt that " patient is

> aware blah blah blah and possible death " , and whetever else he said,

> couldn't really read it. I asked him if they have eliminated

> thermisol in vaccines yet and he had the nerve to tell me that they

> haven't had thermisol in them since they were created, whatever. And

> told me that he will hassle me every time I come in for her check-ups

> to get her vaccinated. So basically I had a really crappy experience

> with her new ped. and don't know if I should even bother taking her

> in anymore?? Should I go back to him or find another? This is her

> second ped in two months. I probably won't find a " good " doc with an

> HMO.

>

> Thanks,

>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 12/12/01 9:30:27 PM GTB Standard Time, trisha@...

writes:

<< Should I go back to him or find another? This is her

second ped in two months. I probably won't find a " good " doc with an

HMO. >>

Don't go back to him.And don't bother with well checks.Take your dd and ds in

when they are ill and you can not successfully treat the problem,or to get a

dx so you can then try to treat on own if possible.

Pay OOP for a doctor that you do like. Considering how rarely you would have

to go it isn't much $$$$,and even if it is wouldn't you rather have someone

who respects your choices(even if they do not agree with them)????

Look into a family or general doctor,look into a naturopath.

sara in ohio

[Guest guest]

Oh my! I bet California is chock full of alternative doctors! How exciting

for you!

Here's my response from file:

Using a homeopath is a great idea. I hear of alot of parents who are using

homeopaths as their primary physicians.

For info on homeopathy:

<A

HREF= " http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/homeo.htm " >http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/homeo\

..htm</A>

For a list of classical homeopaths:

<A

HREF= " http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/STEVELIST.htm " >http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/S\

TEVELIST.htm</A>

Also a list of homeopaths, but not necessarily classical (meaning that's ALL

they do):

<A

HREF= " http://www.wholehealthnow.com/homeopathy_info/ " >http://www.wholehealthnow.\

com/homeopathy_info/</A>

And you've probably already seen this, but I hate to miss an opportunity to

advertise that natural docs CAN be found. First of all, lemme state my

mantra, " Remember, naturopaths are pediatricians too! "

Okay, now that that is done, you can contact Mothering Magazine. They have a

database of doctors who have been recommended by their readers as being

either alternative or open-minded.

You can also ask at your local health food stores for recommendations.

(That's how I found an alternative Internal Medicine MD)

Also, you can ask for recommendations from direct entry midwives. Don't know

that I would set much stock in any recommendations from a CNM (certified

nurse midwife) because they tend to be more medically oriented. Just gotta

know your CNM's beliefs and practices.And now on to the websites where you

can search for docs:

<A HREF= " http://www.acam.org/ " >http://www.acam.org/</A>

<A HREF= " http://www.naturopathic.org/ " >http://www.naturopathic.org/</A>

<A

HREF= " http://www.alternativemedicine.com/ " >http://www.alternativemedicine.com/</\

A>

<A

HREF= " http://www.alternative-medicine-and-health.com/ " >http://www.alternative-me\

dicine-and-health.com/</A>

<A HREF= " http://www.healthy.net/ " >http://www.healthy.net/</A>

<A HREF= " http://www.healthmall.com/ " >http://www.healthmall.com/</A>

In a message dated 12/12/2001 3:07:29 PM Central Standard Time,

trisha@... writes:

> I don't even think I need a doc for her but when I do I'd like the

> info for a good one in So Calif, pleeeese.

>

" We child-proofed our house 3 years ago but they're still getting in! "

[Guest guest]

Well you have severel options A. Find another doctor

B. Don't go to the doctor at all

C. Change to a non HMO

HMO's will keep tabs on their patients. I used to be with an HMO and

we changed. The doctor actually called us at home to harangue us

about our visits or lack there of. You should have just told the

doctor that you were objecting for religious reasons. If they think

it is medical, they will definitely get mad. They think they are God

and that they definitely would know better than you about health.

Now it will be hard to take it back becuase with most HMO's,even if

you get a new doctor, your record will follow you.

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 12/12/01 11:30:34 AM Pacific Standard Time,

trisha@... writes:

> and don't know if I should even bother taking her

>

My son is just over two years old, he went to the Ped. for his two week check

and that was it - I took him to a midwife for weigh-in's and that kind of

thing - for health and wellness - I chose a Homeopath. There is no reason to

go to a doctor, other than to get shots and if the child is really ill.

I took Trenton to the midwife so at least I would have some documentation

regarding his growth and what-nots if anyone ever gave me trouble.

We're doing just fine with out a Ped.

Chelly

San Diego, CA

Mommy to Trenton 8/19/99 - No Shots!

WWW.YOURAVON.COM/CMERCER passcode: MIKCHER

[Guest guest]

> Find a new doc. Yours sucks! Heeheehee

Yes, he did!

> Want help locating a more alternative doc, lemme know I'll repost

the info.

I don't even think I need a doc for her but when I do I'd like the

info for a good one in So Calif, pleeeese.

Another little bit of info. When I was in the ped's office there was

a letter saying that they have had 3 cases of measles in the last

couple of weeks here locally. What exactly happens to the child when

they have the measles? The hospital can successfully treat it, right?

Isn't smallpox the only that that can't be treated? I don't want to

doubt myself on not vaccinating my daughter, but sometimes people

make me feel like I'm risking her life.

Trisha

Vaccinated 3yr old (who thankfully didn't have any problems)

2month old unvaccinated

>

> Kathleen

> " We child-proofed our house 3 years ago but they're still getting

in! "

>

> In a message dated 12/12/2001 1:30:34 PM Central Standard Time,

> trisha@s... writes:

>

>

> > took my 2 month old daughter in for her check-up and told my ped

> > that I wasn't going through with her immunizations just yet. He

got

> > pretty upset and proceded to write on my receipt that " patient is

> > aware blah blah blah and possible death " , and whetever else he

said,

> > couldn't really read it. I asked him if they have eliminated

> > thermisol in vaccines yet and he had the nerve to tell me that

they

> > haven't had thermisol in them since they were created, whatever.

And

> > told me that he will hassle me every time I come in for her check-

ups

> > to get her vaccinated. So basically I had a really crappy

experience

> > with her new ped. and don't know if I should even bother taking

her

> > in anymore?? Should I go back to him or find another? This is her

> > second ped in two months. I probably won't find a " good " doc with

an

> > HMO.

> >

> > Thanks,

> > Trisha

> > Vaccinated 3yr old (who thankfully didn't have any

problems)

> > 2month

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Trisha, I am no expert in this area, but I do know that most likely

ther 3 new cases of measles... were in children who are vaccinated.

I just know that for me, it dosn't make sense to take a perfectly

healthy child, (especially and infant) and dump that poision into

there bodies.. and call it " healthy " They won't even give a 2 mo

old, meds for other ailments because there to young...

I would recommend you look for a new ped.. call and set

up " interviews " and take a list of questions with you. An HMO,

probly wont be a good one to =do this with because they don't care

about new customers...

I pay my doctor $25 every 2 weeks :-) And there happy with that.. we

rarely visit the doctor, but they never hassle me about my bill...

this shows me that they care more about the health of my family then

there pocket book...

my 2 cents

Marilyn

> > Find a new doc. Yours sucks! Heeheehee

>

> Yes, he did!

>

> > Want help locating a more alternative doc, lemme know I'll repost

> the info.

>

> I don't even think I need a doc for her but when I do I'd like the

> info for a good one in So Calif, pleeeese.

>

> Another little bit of info. When I was in the ped's office there

was

> a letter saying that they have had 3 cases of measles in the last

> couple of weeks here locally. What exactly happens to the child

when

> they have the measles? The hospital can successfully treat it,

right?

> Isn't smallpox the only that that can't be treated? I don't want to

> doubt myself on not vaccinating my daughter, but sometimes people

> make me feel like I'm risking her life.

>

> Trisha

> Vaccinated 3yr old (who thankfully didn't have any problems)

> 2month old unvaccinated

>

> >

> > Kathleen

> > " We child-proofed our house 3 years ago but they're still getting

> in! "

> >

> > In a message dated 12/12/2001 1:30:34 PM Central Standard Time,

> > trisha@s... writes:

> >

> >

> > > took my 2 month old daughter in for her check-up and told my

ped

> > > that I wasn't going through with her immunizations just yet. He

> got

> > > pretty upset and proceded to write on my receipt that " patient

is

> > > aware blah blah blah and possible death " , and whetever else he

> said,

> > > couldn't really read it. I asked him if they have eliminated

> > > thermisol in vaccines yet and he had the nerve to tell me that

> they

> > > haven't had thermisol in them since they were created,

whatever.

> And

> > > told me that he will hassle me every time I come in for her

check-

> ups

> > > to get her vaccinated. So basically I had a really crappy

> experience

> > > with her new ped. and don't know if I should even bother taking

> her

> > > in anymore?? Should I go back to him or find another? This is

her

> > > second ped in two months. I probably won't find a " good " doc

with

> an

> > > HMO.

> > >

> > > Thanks,

> > > Trisha

> > > Vaccinated 3yr old (who thankfully didn't have any

> problems)

> > > 2month

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

*G* I opt for the Texas way, and can I add a few more doctors to the 'To be

educated Texas style' list? Oh please??? Ya know, ongoing education is so

important... *snort*.

Liz

C. Texas

My run-in with the ped

I took my 2 month old daughter in for her check-up and told my ped

that I wasn't going through with her immunizations just yet. He got

pretty upset and proceded to write on my receipt that " patient is

aware blah blah blah and possible death " , and whetever else he said,

couldn't really read it. I asked him if they have eliminated

thermisol in vaccines yet and he had the nerve to tell me that they

haven't had thermisol in them since they were created, whatever. And

told me that he will hassle me every time I come in for her check-ups

to get her vaccinated. So basically I had a really crappy experience

with her new ped. and don't know if I should even bother taking her

in anymore?? Should I go back to him or find another? This is her

second ped in two months. I probably won't find a " good " doc with an

HMO.

Thanks,

Trisha

Vaccinated 3yr old (who thankfully didn't have any problems)

2month old (who I've learned alot and don't want to

vaccinate her yet)

________________________________________________________________________

________________________________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

> Trisha:send me the ped's address and I'll send him a free copy

of " A shot in the Dark " by Barbara Loe Fisher and throw in a bonus

book--Dr. Caves Vaccine Book, as well. Hopefully, he'll get past

his " God-Complex, read them and get educated, or, we could always do

it the old-fashioned Texas way--I'll kick his ass behind the closest

barn. You choose your preference.

> Peacefully,

> Jeff Sell

You guys are too funny, I'm glad I found you and have you for support

and the wealth of information!

Jeff~ So where do I get a copy of these books? I can't find them on

Amazon.

Trisha

11/12/98

10/08/01

[Guest guest]

>there must be an alternative

> doctor in your neighbourhod. try an anthroposophical doctor. i

think they are great all round doctors who do no harm. where do you

live? in the old days no one went to peds. what for????????????????

I live in the city of Cypress right next to Long Beach, CA. How would

I find one of these type of doctors? I'm new at this getting rid of

the ped scene.

Trisha

11/12/98

10/08/01

> In a message dated 12/12/2001 1:30:27 PM Central Standard Time,

> trisha@s... writes:

>

>

> > Subj: My run-in with the ped

> > Date:12/12/2001 1:30:27 PM Central Standard Time

> > From: trisha@s... (mattsmommee)

> > Reply-to: <A HREF= " mailto:Vaccinations@y... " >Vaccinations@y...</A>

> > Vaccinations@y...

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > I took my 2 month old daughter in for her check-up and told my

ped

> > that I wasn't going through with her immunizations just yet. He

got

> > pretty upset and proceded to write on my receipt that " patient is

> > aware blah blah blah and possible death " , and whetever else he

said,

> > couldn't really read it. I asked him if they have eliminated

> > thermisol in vaccines yet and he had the nerve to tell me that

they

> > haven't had thermisol in them since they were created, whatever.

And

> > told me that he will hassle me every time I come in for her check-

ups

> > to get her vaccinated. So basically I had a really crappy

experience

> > with her new ped. and don't know if I should even bother taking

her

> > in anymore?? Should I go back to him or find another? This is her

> > second ped in two months. I probably won't find a " good " doc with

an

> > HMO.

> >

> > Thanks,

> >

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the links! I'll look over them.

Trisha

> Oh my! I bet California is chock full of alternative doctors! How

exciting

> for you!

>

> Here's my response from file:

>

> Using a homeopath is a great idea. I hear of alot of parents who

are using

> homeopaths as their primary physicians.

>

> For info on homeopathy:

> <A

HREF= " http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/homeo.htm " >http://www.nccn.net/~wwi

thin/homeo.htm</A>

>

> For a list of classical homeopaths:

> <A

HREF= " http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/STEVELIST.htm " >http://www.nccn.net/

~wwithin/STEVELIST.htm</A>

>

> Also a list of homeopaths, but not necessarily classical (meaning

that's ALL

> they do):

> <A

HREF= " http://www.wholehealthnow.com/homeopathy_info/ " >http://www.whole

healthnow.com/homeopathy_info/</A>

>

> And you've probably already seen this, but I hate to miss an

opportunity to

> advertise that natural docs CAN be found. First of all, lemme state

my

> mantra, " Remember, naturopaths are pediatricians too! "

>

> Okay, now that that is done, you can contact Mothering Magazine.

They have a

> database of doctors who have been recommended by their readers as

being

> either alternative or open-minded.

>

> You can also ask at your local health food stores for

recommendations.

> (That's how I found an alternative Internal Medicine MD)

>

> Also, you can ask for recommendations from direct entry midwives.

Don't know

> that I would set much stock in any recommendations from a CNM

(certified

> nurse midwife) because they tend to be more medically oriented.

Just gotta

> know your CNM's beliefs and practices.And now on to the websites

where you

> can search for docs:

> <A HREF= " http://www.acam.org/ " >http://www.acam.org/</A>

> <A

HREF= " http://www.naturopathic.org/ " >http://www.naturopathic.org/</A>

> <A

HREF= " http://www.alternativemedicine.com/ " >http://www.alternativemedic

ine.com/</A>

> <A HREF= " http://www.alternative-medicine-and-

health.com/ " >http://www.alternative-medicine-and-health.com/</A>

> <A HREF= " http://www.healthy.net/ " >http://www.healthy.net/</A>

> <A HREF= " http://www.healthmall.com/ " >http://www.healthmall.com/</A>

>

>

>

>

> In a message dated 12/12/2001 3:07:29 PM Central Standard Time,

> trisha@s... writes:

>

>

> > I don't even think I need a doc for her but when I do I'd like

the

> > info for a good one in So Calif, pleeeese.

> >

>

>

> " We child-proofed our house 3 years ago but they're still getting

in! "

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I'd try a new one anyway. You're the customer, you don't have to take the

abuse. (I have the exact same problem with my 19 mo and haven't yet managed

to find a friendly ped. Am thinking of just giving up peds and going to a

homeopath for everyhting.)

in Va.

> From: " mattsmommee " <trisha@...>

> Reply-Vaccinations

> Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 19:28:43 -0000

> Vaccinations

> Subject: My run-in with the ped

>

> So basically I had a really crappy experience

> with her new ped. and don't know if I should even bother taking her

> in anymore?? Should I go back to him or find another? This is her

> second ped in two months. I probably won't find a " good " doc with an

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 12/12/2001 7:17:16 PM Central Standard Time,

Trentonsmom@... writes:

> I took Trenton to the midwife so at least I would have some documentation

> regarding his growth and what-nots if anyone ever gave me trouble.

i think if you are a first time mom, its great to have someone weigh and

check your baby. nothing wrong with that, only find someone you can work

with. i love going to our doctor. i look forward to it. cos its always great

- my daughter is healthy and ,u doc is so gentle and loving with her. she is

an anthroposophical doctor. the first time she saw her at 4 weeks, she looked

her in the eyes and whispered: greetings, how long have you been with us!

it was so beautiful.

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 12/14/01 6:30:55 AM GTB Standard Time,

radiantmother@... writes:

<< she looked

her in the eyes and whispered: greetings, how long have you been with us!

it was so beautiful. >>

How sweet!

For weight you can always buy a baby scale for home use.Resale shops sell

them cheap.

sara

[Guest guest]

Personally, I don't see any reason to go to " well baby clinics " .

My little one is healthy and doing very well. I don't need someone else to

confirm that for me! ;-)

Of course, if I felt something wasn't quite right, mentally, physically etc.

then I would look into it. Doesn't mean I'd go straight to a doc then either

though!

;-P I'd probably contact my homeopath first of all.

But that's just me!

Sue

SAHM

dd Ruby 2.5 yrs

Wales, UK

[Guest guest]

The reason you're doctor PROBABLY called and harrassed you is because your

doctor does not want to be sued. Your doctor is responsible for your health

because the courts have decided that. It is the standard of care that dictates

your docs every move and straying from that standard could be cause to lose a

malpractice suit. For example,my husband was named in a malpractice suit because

a woman had pains and he ordered tests which came back negative. He advised her

to make an appt. in 2 weeks if she still had pains. She never contacted him

again and (to make a long story short) when she died suddenly from ovarian

cancer, he was named AND he could've been found negligent because he didn't call

her back and check on her! Another example...your doctor is also supposed to

persue you(females) in regards to your pelvics and warn you about possible

cancers and deaths and if your doc doesn't, s/he could be sued and lose! I

think that's crazy. People should be responsible for their health. They are

adults. I don't know about your doc, but my dh has over 4,000 patients in his

practice and if he were to call them all and follow up, he'd have no time to SEE

patients or come home! I'm not suggesting you feel bad and symapthetic towards

your doctor but as a doctor's wife I understand. Things weren't always this

way. My husband is constantly stressed out because he does prescribe vitamins

and chiropractic care and if someone reports him...off with his head! He does

the main stream also. I think for the most part MOST of the docs started out

wanting to help people ( and believe they are in their messed up thinking)but

all the legal mumbo-jumbo have them hating their jobs and all of the paperwork.

And if they decide to suggest alternatives, they can face grave consequences.

Of course, it's their fault for killing the midwives and herbalists and

blackballing HP's but I think some are trying to reach a balance and finding it

almost impossible.

I will also go on the record to say that I go to a HP and will NOT ask his(dh's)

advice for meds(he offers it anyhow). He's good for checking ears and

suggesting a cause for a problem and excellent in the stitching department or

lodged items in various body orifices but mostly we use my milk and our chiro

and I'm still persuing the HP route. I have succumbed to the ease of meds

because we have had late night extreme pains and I with no hp kit(but that will

soon change hee heee hee). Plus, for colds we like Dr. Mendelsohn's suggestion

of a cocktail

Laurie>Oh

HMO's will keep tabs on their patients. I used to be with an HMO and

we changed. The doctor actually called us at home to harangue us

about our visits or lack there of. If they think

it is medical, they will definitely get mad. They think they are God

and that they definitely would know better than you about health.

[Guest guest]

Yes I got mine for $2 second hand.

(no well baby visits for my little one)

For weight you can always buy a baby scale for home use.Resale shops sell

them cheap.

sara

[Guest guest]

> HMO's will keep tabs on their patients. I used to be with an HMO

and we changed. The doctor actually called us at home to harangue us

> about our visits or lack there of. If they think it is

medical, they will definitely get mad. They think they are God

> and that they definitely would know better than you about

health.

If I don't take my daughter to her check-ups to get immunized and she

catches something like measles, hypothetically, will the HMO cover

the hospitalization treatment if one is needed? Anyone know?

Trisha

[Guest guest]

At 08:38 PM 12/15/2001 -0000, you wrote:

>> HMO's will keep tabs on their patients. I used to be with an HMO

>and we changed. The doctor actually called us at home to harangue us

>> about our visits or lack there of. If they think it is

>medical, they will definitely get mad. They think they are God

>> and that they definitely would know better than you about

>health.

>

>If I don't take my daughter to her check-ups to get immunized and she

>catches something like measles, hypothetically, will the HMO cover

>the hospitalization treatment if one is needed? Anyone know?

>

>Trisha

>

>

If someone doesn't stop smoking do they not pay for hospitalization?

If someone doesn't lose weight and has a heart attack, do they not pay?

Of course you would have to check your policy, but how on earth could they

enforce that for only those who don't vaccinate?

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Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK

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