Re: Walking on toes?

[Guest guest]

Heavens, you mean that what your daughter has already experienced isn't

ENOUGH for a medical exemption?!

Oh wait a minute, that's right, she's still alive isn't she? For the

majority of doctors, if the child is still breathing then there is no cause

for a medical exemption. Since you have two children to protect from

vaccines, have you considered the religious exemption? Depending on your

state, it's easy enough.

Kathleen

In a message dated 12/2/2001 2:20:23 PM Central Standard Time,

wolfkty@... writes:

> A few weeks ago someone posted something from a dr. stating that a child

> that

> walks on their toes should not be vaccinated because of autistic tendencies

>

> (or something to that effect). I was wondering if anyone had any more

> information on this? My daughter has always walked on her toes. She is

> five

> and we are just now making some headway with her about it. She had a hepb

> at

> around 4 weeks and immediately came down with a horrible ear infection. At

>

> around 8 weeks she had another hepb(i think), the dtp/Td, HIB, IPV. She

> swelled up like a balloon and remained that way for a couple of months. I

> contacted several Drs. about it. None wanted to see her. They stated that

>

> it wasn't a typical reaction and as long as she was breathing all right

> that

> there was nothing to worry about. I held off on the next round of

> vaccinations until the swelling went away and took her to the health dept.

> I

> explained about the reaction and asked for testing or separate shots. The

> nurse was rude and told me the shots only came one way and that I had no

> choice in the matter and stuck her anyway. The same thing happened. Only

> this time, my daughter's personality changed. She wouldn't sleep at night.

>

> She was always restless and didn't want to be held anymore. Her

> development

> seemed delayed. She developed bowel problems and wasn't completely potty

> trained until she was 4. She had delayed speech. She was very smart and

> learned her letters and numbers and colors early. However, she just

> couldn't

> communicate. Even after she was speaking more clearly, she couldn't follow

> a

> simple conversation. This did not change until I put her on a phosphatydil

>

> serine, DMAE supplement. If she goes off of it for any length of time she

> starts having communication problems again. There is just a ton of

> difference between my smart, sweet but troubled little girl and my

> unvaccinated little boy. I'm just wondering if there is any medical proof

> on

> the autism-toe walking thing. I'm looking for anything else I can take to

> a

> dr. to help with a medical exemption. Hey, and I'm really sorry that there

>

> are no paragraph breaks in this post. Thanks to anyone who made it through

>

> this mess. For some reason, my return key has decided to quit working.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

" The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed - and

hence clamorous to be led to safety - by menacing it with an endless series

of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary. "

- H.L. Mencken

[Guest guest]

I'm wondering if you would mind keeping us posted as to whether the unvaxxed

baby ever begins the toe walking thing. Just curious.

Kathleen

In a message dated 12/2/2001 2:39:09 PM Central Standard Time,

mlandes2@... writes:

> I have not heard of this! I guess I missed the post...will someone resend

> it? My sister's kids(4) all walked on their toes and the second had braces

> to help with this problem. They had no " notieable " reactions until 2 years

> ago when the third suddenly went " catatonic " for about an hour. She was 6

> at the time and this led to their decision to no more vaxxes and their baby

> has not had any.

> Laurie>Oh

>

>

" The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed - and

hence clamorous to be led to safety - by menacing it with an endless series

of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary. "

- H.L. Mencken

[Guest guest]

è Since you have two children to protect from vaccines,

è have you considered the religious exemption?

è Depending on your state, it's easy enough.

Yep. I'm doing the religious exemption. I'm just not sure that will be

adequate soon with the crap that's trying to pass as law now.

[Guest guest]

è 'm wondering if you would mind keeping us posted as

è to whether the unvaxxed baby ever begins the toe

è walking thing. Just curious.

is 22 months right now and has recently started walking on his toes a

bit. However, I'm more inclined to believe that it is in imitation of his

big sister. It's just an occasional thing with him. Kayla started out on

her toes and only walked on her toes until recently.

[Guest guest]

è I can give you some links to sites about Autism if you

è would like. I would start with this one

è http://www.autism-society.org/whatisautism/autism.ht

è ml#diag

Thank you. Sites would be helpful. She does seem to have some autistic

characteristics but I'm not sure it quite fits her. She's always been an

extremely social child and quite imaginative.

(And yes Sherri....I KNOW she needs to see a homeopath. I'm saving up money

now to get us all taken care of. :-).

[Guest guest]

I have not heard of this! I guess I missed the post...will someone resend it?

My sister's kids(4) all walked on their toes and the second had braces to help

with this problem. They had no " notieable " reactions until 2 years ago when the

third suddenly went " catatonic " for about an hour. She was 6 at the time and

this led to their decision to no more vaxxes and their baby has not had any.

Laurie>Oh

A few weeks ago someone posted something from a dr. stating that a child that

walks on their toes should not be vaccinated because of autistic tendencies

[Guest guest]

" A few weeks ago someone posted something from a dr. stating that a child

that walks on their toes should not be vaccinated because of autistic

tendencies (or something to that effect). I was wondering if anyone had any

more information on this? "

I am not an expert on this, but I have recently gone thru getting my

son diagnosed with Autism. Toe walking on some lists is one of many of the

indicators for Autism. I have never seen it as one of the contraindications

for a vax. My son has walked on his toes since he first walked.

" The same thing happened. Only this time, my daughter's personality

changed. She wouldn't sleep at night. She was always restless and didn't

want to be held anymore. Her development seemed delayed. She developed

bowel problems and wasn't completely potty trained until she was 4. She had

delayed speech. She was very smart and learned her letters and numbers and

colors early. However, she just couldn't communicate. Even after she was

speaking more clearly, she couldn't follow a simple conversation. "

All of these things that you are describing fit with an reaction to a

vax, that leads to the dx of Autism. Autistic children seem to have a

period where they stop communicating, don't want to be held, and also have

what is described as an " impairment in eye to eye gaze " They may make eye

contact and not hold it past a few seconds or may not make eye contact at

all.

" This did not change until I put her on a phosphatydil serine, DMAE

supplement. "

I have read many articles about DMAE and how it helps those with

Autism.

I can give you some links to sites about Autism if you would like. I would

start with this one

http://www.autism-society.org/whatisautism/autism.html#diag

but I have tons more if you need them. The best advice I can give is don't

even mess with the DSM 4 classification. Autism is a spectrum disorder.

Varying degrees and symptomology from one person with it to another.

Let me know if you want more sites, or info. I also have a word document

that takes some info from different sites that I have found and put the info

I needed in one place, if you would like that I can send it to you.

Dina Mason, Virginians for IDEA Compliance

http://members.home.net/vaideacompliance/

Mom to Dathon, 9, Vaccine Injured Autism/CP/Epilepsy

Aubrey, 5, No vaxes

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 12/2/01 2:40:33 PM Pacific Standard Time,

HolisticMomma@... writes:

> I'm wondering if you would mind keeping us posted as to whether the unvaxxed

> baby ever begins the toe walking thing. Just curious.

>

>

My son is not vaxxed at all, he started walking at around 10 months, and

never on his toes.

Chelly

San Diego, CA

Mommy to Trenton 8/19/99 - No Shots!

WWW.YOURAVON.COM/CMERCER passcode: MIKCHER

[Guest guest]

<< A few weeks ago someone posted something from a dr. stating that a

child that

walks on their toes should not be vaccinated because of autistic

tendencies >>

, I was that someone. My 15 yr. old son has Asperger's Syndrome. It's on

the Autistic Spectrum. I really can't remember if he walked on his toes or

not? My memory of all the agony after vaccines is very good. So I think if he

was toe walking a lot I would remember.

It's my 2 and a half yr. old doing the toe walking. I'm sorry to say I was

ignorant of the problems with vaccines. Didn't correlate my older son's

problems with the vaccines until my baby had a reaction to the new PREVNAR at

10 months. He has not been vaccinated since.

I have read on the many autistic spectrum lists I'm on that, toe walking is

due to bowel problems.

Dr. Yazbak is the person that I spoke with and, he also sent me a lot of

material on these problems. I'm sure if you e-mailed him he would send you

the info. He does many conferences and a lot of speaking on vaccines so, you

may not hear from him right away. If you would like the e-mail address write

me personally.

[Guest guest]

Hi, !

I was wondering if you had ever had your daughter tested for Mercury poisoning

(the Thimerosal issue)? Your description definitely describes a toxicity issue.

Your daughter sounds much like mine, who is Autistic, except that my daughter

began having seizures at six months. I only recently had her tested for Mercury

poisoning, and have come to find out that that is exactly her biggest problem

(of many, all from vaccines).

Just to let you know, I simply told my pediatrician no more vaccinations. Too

bad if she disagrees. I had changed to her from another group, and told her I

didn't want any more vaccinations. She ignored me and said she would use DTap

instead of DTP. Within two weeks my daughter began having seizures almost every

day for a year and a half. If she doesn't want to write the medical exemption,

I will simply take a religious exemption. It just hasn't been an issue for us.

Walking on toes?

A few weeks ago someone posted something from a dr. stating that a child that

walks on their toes should not be vaccinated because of autistic tendencies

(or something to that effect). I was wondering if anyone had any more

information on this? My daughter has always walked on her toes. She is five

and we are just now making some headway with her about it. She had a hepb at

around 4 weeks and immediately came down with a horrible ear infection. At

around 8 weeks she had another hepb(i think), the dtp/Td, HIB, IPV. She

swelled up like a balloon and remained that way for a couple of months. I

contacted several Drs. about it. None wanted to see her. They stated that

it wasn't a typical reaction and as long as she was breathing all right that

there was nothing to worry about. I held off on the next round of

vaccinations until the swelling went away and took her to the health dept. I

explained about the reaction and asked for testing or separate shots. The

nurse was rude and told me the shots only came one way and that I had no

choice in the matter and stuck her anyway. The same thing happened. Only

this time, my daughter's personality changed. She wouldn't sleep at night.

She was always restless and didn't want to be held anymore. Her development

seemed delayed. She developed bowel problems and wasn't completely potty

trained until she was 4. She had delayed speech. She was very smart and

learned her letters and numbers and colors early. However, she just couldn't

communicate. Even after she was speaking more clearly, she couldn't follow a

simple conversation. This did not change until I put her on a phosphatydil

serine, DMAE supplement. If she goes off of it for any length of time she

starts having communication problems again. There is just a ton of

difference between my smart, sweet but troubled little girl and my

unvaccinated little boy. I'm just wondering if there is any medical proof on

the autism-toe walking thing. I'm looking for anything else I can take to a

dr. to help with a medical exemption. Hey, and I'm really sorry that there

are no paragraph breaks in this post. Thanks to anyone who made it through

this mess. For some reason, my return key has decided to quit working.

[Guest guest]

Well, my sister said the (unvaxxed)baby occassionally walks on his toes and when

he runs,he's a toe-runner. That can't be comfortable...like Barbie must feel!!!

lol

LAurie>Oh

In a message dated 12/2/01 2:40:33 PM Pacific Standard Time,

HolisticMomma@... writes:

> I'm wondering if you would mind keeping us posted as to whether the unvaxxed

> baby ever begins the toe walking thing. Just curious.

>

>