Guest guest Posted November 15, 2001 Report Share Posted November 15, 2001 At 09:06 PM 11/15/2001 -0000, you wrote: >Yes I am new here and I am just now learning about this issue (forced >vax, not vax in general- that is not a new issue with me) > >This is a very scary idea, and I hate even thinking about it. BUT >what do you all think should be done in the event of a smallpox >epidemic? We could wonder about any possibility - spanish flu, ebola, typhoid, cholera, plague, tularemia and on and on. This one has been chosen - there is NO smallpox, there is NO evidence of smallpox, just tons of hype to sell tons of vaccine in my opinion. Should we all just hope that we don't get it? Not everyone >knows about homeopathy, etc not everyone believes in it., or in >other natural healing things either. I know we are saying we should >have a choice, and I completely agree, COMPLETELY believe me. But >what are our options if we don't want the vax? #1 it is total lies about how it is spread, how many people get it, how many people die for it, that is is untreatable and on and on. First you have to realize the hype. It is very hard to >learn about vax and make that decision. For me, it isn't because I >think they don't work. In many ways, I think they do. But at a cost! Well, many of us have come to the conclusion that they don't work - that they sensitize. These are things you learn after you have been around for awhile and I understand totally what you are saying, but you will come to realize that they don't work and they damage. >One greater than what I am willing to pay. It truly truly is against >all my beliefs about health and my body and the bodies of my kids. My >decision is not one of fear, or one of not believing that vax works, >sometimes. All those issues are hard enough when you are talking >about some relatively mild diseases, or even ones that are not likely >to occur. But when we are talking about something that spreads like >wildfire, and kills MANY MANY who get it... to a parent who has >already juggled this issue over and over in their minds and hearts... >what do you suggest? And again, these are total lies. Please read on my webpages about smallpox - Dr. Sherri Tenpenny covered it extremely well on Art Bell last night too - it is NOT true. There is no evidence anywhere to support what they say in the media. The last case in the world was 1977. The vax was stopped in US in 1971. In the 40's and 50's doctors who saw it ssaid that the severity of the disease was directly proportional to the state of malnutrition. Doctors used to think for themselves more back then and try to figure things out. They put a lot of thought into things in many cases (not everyone of course). None of us can find that 30% death rate any where in anything that is written. Someone picked it out of the air and gave it to the meda. This happens all the time. It is not something that is easily weaponized - if it were why hasn't Saddam H. used it against the people around him or us by now. It only lives for 24 hours if NOT exposed to UV lite (sunlight). it dies in the Sun. Also some docs in 1946 seriously believed that it was spread by bedbugs (like malaria is spread by mosquitos). Every laughs at that. They were serious medical doctors. But no one wanted to go there (same as theories about polio's causes). Again they said the severity was proportional to the degree of malnutrition. THe key words here are malnutrition. And smallpox hasn't been eradicated - it is still in the world as monkeypox - looks the same on the skin and electron microscopes can't distinguish the differences between the pox viruses. The week of October 20, 2001, Sherri Tenpenny shared, on the MMWR (Morbidity, Mortality Weekly Report) showed that there were 90 cases of Tularemia, 18 cases of Q fever, 2 cases of plague, 73 cases of brucellosis and 16 cases of anthrax (10 inhalation of which 6 have survived - hardly the 100% death rate they talk about!) Why do we not hear about those other diseases that can be severe and fatal - because we have no vaccine available to the public. Please you have to know it is about money!!!!!! I guess this question is no longer one about >being forced to get the vax... it becomes more one of, if not that, >then what? What besides homeopathy if you don't know anything about >it? See the above. When its not really a problem, you don't have to strain to find a solution. What besides things like that that we are not ALL fortunate to >have access to? What do we do if this happens and we DON'T >vaccinate our kids? What do we do if we CAN'T because we have the >other conditions that exclude us anyway? The thought of getting it >or my kids getting it scares me just as much as anything they are >doing to try to " protect " us all. That, and I feel like I am living >in a police state, with my rights being stripped away. > >I am not trying to be argumentative, but I guess if we are going to >sit here and say we shouldn't get the vax, and we shouldn't have to >get it, I want someone to say what we can and should do instead. What >else works? What else is safe? This needs to be addressed just as >much, and I am sure it already has been. If someone can direct me to >those posts, I would appreciate it. See the above > >p.s. Does this make anyone question this decision? Didn't most of us >go no-vax thinking we would never face a disease like this being >dumped on us in war? This situation changes the whole world we live >in, does it make any of you look twice at your choices? I believe in >sticking to my beliefs and fighting for them, but all of this is alot >to process, I am sure we all agree on that. > YOu have to stop and NOT buy the hype. They want you to be scared. There is no other way to say this. I'm sorry, but it is not as they want you to think it is. it only changes your world if you allow them to tell you what to believe and think and fear. It all boils down to that. -------------------------------------------------------- Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK $$ Donations to help in the work - accepted by Paypal account vaccineinfo@... (go to http://www.paypal.com) or by mail PO Box 1563 Nevada City CA 95959 530-740-0561 Voicemail in US http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm ANY INFO OBTAINED HERE NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS MEDICAL OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE DECISION TO VACCINATE IS YOURS AND YOURS ALONE. 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