Re: FORCED VACCINATIONS - My question to you!

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You will be liable for a MISDEMEANOR if you don't vax/????

At 08:05 AM 11/12/01 -0900, you wrote:

>Sheri, Please explain why you are putting it this way. Here is what it

>says: Section 502 (a)(4) " Any person refusing to submit to the medical

>examination and/or testing is liable for a misdemeanor. If the public

>health authority is uncertain whether a person who refuses to undergo

>medical examination and/or testing may have been exposed to an infectious

>disease or otherwise poses a danger to public health, the public health

>authority may subject the individual to isolaiton or quarantine as porvided

>in this Article. "

>

>In the section on vaccination it says: Section 504( Refusal. "

>Individuals refusing to be vaccinated or treated shall be liable for a

>misdemeanor. If, by reason of refusal of vaccination or treatment, the

>person poses a danger to the public health, he or she may be subject to

>islation or quarantine pursuant to the provisions of this Article. "

>

>Now, don't get me wrong, I think we absolutely should fight this, but I

>think it is about both forcing vaccination and what happens to those who

>refuse.

>

>Sandy

>

>ALL INFORMATION, DATA, AND MATERIAL CONTAINED, PRESENTED, OR PROVIDED HERE

>IS FOR GENERAL INFORMATION PURPOSES ONLY AND IS NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS

>REFLECTING THE KNOWLEDGE OR OPINIONS OF THE PUBLISHER, AND IS NOT TO BE

>CONSTRUED OR INTENDED AS PROVIDING MEDICAL OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE DECISION

>WHETHER OR NOT TO VACCINATE IS AN IMPORTANT AND COMPLEX ISSUE AND SHOULD BE

>MADE BY YOU, AND YOU ALONE, IN CONSULTATION WITH YOUR HEALTH CARE PROVIDER.

>

>

>

>

> RE: FORCED VACCINATIONS - My question to you!

>

>

>At 07:42 AM 11/12/2001 -0900, you wrote:

>>Carolyn, I think the law says they can quarantine people who refuse

>>vaccinations or medications, not just people who are sick. Anyone?

>>

>>Sandy from Alaska

>

>You are getting distracted here - it is not about quarentine!!!!!!!!!1 Its

>about forced vaccination

>--------------------------------------------------------

>Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA

>Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK

>$$ Donations to help in the work - accepted by Paypal account

>vaccineinfo@...

>(go to http://www.paypal.com) or by mail

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>http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm

>ANY INFO OBTAINED HERE NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS MEDICAL OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE

>DECISION TO VACCINATE IS YOURS AND YOURS ALONE.

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In a message dated 11/12/01 6:44:00 PM GTB Standard Time,

Rlangdon@... writes:

<<

those who are sick will be placed somewhere for health care and such....?

I don't think they are suggesting that those who refuse vaccination will be

forced into stadiums. It sounds to me like this is only for those who are

sick and so it would be possibly the most humanitarian thing >>

Those who are sick and those who have possibly been exposed.I read a little

into the US public health history,and in terms of the rights for

individuals...well it isn't pretty.People were held down by police and

vaccinated by the nurse on door to door visits.I doubt if people won't face

monetary charges for declining vaccines.It isn't just smallpox vaccines that

can be forced. Sure it all sounds good on paper but what happens in reall

life will be far from a humanitarian thing.

sara

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 11/12/01 6:44:00 PM GTB Standard Time,

Rlangdon@... writes:

<< I

wouldn't want to go shopping at the grocery store with a bunch of people

sick with tuberculosis hacking next to me.

>>

But in reality you face this very possibility every day.TB and pertussis is

on the risk and many people work or shop while sick.

sara

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 11/12/01 7:46:25 PM GTB Standard Time, erica3k@...

writes:

<<

I'd be interested to know when people were held down

by health practioners in their own homes and

forcefully vaccinated. >>

I still have not gone to the library to get the specific book I read it

from.Maybe today we will stop there.I think it was this book.....<A

HREF= " http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0786884401/qid=1005587734/sr=2-1/

ref=sr_2_7_1/103-1255924-0801419 " >Click here: Amazon.com: buying info:

Betrayal of Trust : The Collapse of Global Public Health</A>

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0786884401/qid=1005587734/sr=2-1/ref=sr

_2_7_1/103-1255924-0801419

I do recall a child being given the DTaP by force in home and this was recent.

[Guest guest]

Sherri,

First of all, I appreciate very much your message board... 'have been a

member over a year now and the info has been GREAT!!!

But, I am wondering if we should be more cautious about how we respond to

these proposals of quarantine. Hasn't quarantine been used way back in

previous centuries as a form of protecting the unsick from those who have

ALREADY contracted the disease? Isn't this what the proposal is -- that

those who are sick will be placed somewhere for health care and such....?

I don't think they are suggesting that those who refuse vaccination will be

forced into stadiums. It sounds to me like this is only for those who are

sick and so it would be possibly the most humanitarian thing. People who

get the disease will need to be cared for and stay away from others. Are

you suggesting that if there was an outbreak of Small Pox there should be no

protective measures -- everyone should have free roam to keep the disease

being spread?

I know the tone of this message might sound negative, but please be assured

that I am not upset, just trying to think this issue through clearly, wisely

and level-headedly.

I understand that we may be in for some difficult days. By refusing the

vaccine, we may have to keep out of public areas *for a certain length of

time* (not forever) while the outbreak is in our location. Though this

would be very inconvenient, and possibly even threatening to our jobs,

livelihood, etc. it still seems to be the most sensible approach. I

wouldn't want to go shopping at the grocery store with a bunch of people

sick with tuberculosis hacking next to me.

So, maybe our preaching should be more toward the prudence of getting out

of debt and having a good pantry-stock so that if a job is lost families

don't lose their home too..... they just wait it out through prayer and

trust that their next steps will work out.......

Just some thoughts.

I personally will make this a matter of much prayer and believe that divine

guidance is the best resource.

Best regards,

Carolyn Langdon

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Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 11:01 AM

Subject: FORCED VACCINATIONS - My question to you!

> Ok, I'm going to say some things here. Some of you are new to these

lists,

> but..........

>

> We are in an absolute horrifying CRISIS here. Your freedoms are about to

> be reduced even further to NOTHING.

>

> Let me ask you,

> As you are standing in line at the local school gymnasium, waiting to have

> your forced smallpox vaccine (and possibly all of the others that you have

> not gotten that they will want to catch you up on),

>

> WHAT WILL YOU SAY TO YOUR CHILD LOOKING UP AT YOU?

>

> Will you say

> 1. Sorry, I didn't have enough time to do anything to stop this?

> 2. Sorry, I just didn't think I was smart enough to stop this

> 3. Sorry, I just didn't take it seriously

> 4. Sorry, I thought someone else would stop this

> 5. Sorry, I didn't have 5 minutes to call my state NVIC representative to

> find out what I could do

> 6. Sorry, I preferred to get this new dress or shoes instead of send

money

> to NVIC to help them help us

>

> 6. Sorry, I didn't CARE ENOUGH to stop this

>

>

> WHAT WILL YOU SAY?

>

> Sheri

> some of you don't know me, but most of you do. I spend hours and hours

> everyday teaching you and warning you - I don't even have children - I

> currently am not even in the US. What are you going to do to stop this?

> There is nothing left to say - either you do something now or you are lost

> --------------------------------------------------------

> Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA

> Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK

> Cwmclyn Cottage, Libanus, Brecon LD3 8EP Wales 01874 624 936

> $$ Donations to help in the work - accepted by Paypal account

> vaccineinfo@...

> (go to http://www.paypal.com) or by mail

> PO Box 1563 Nevada City CA 95959 530-740-0561 Voicemail in US

> http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm

> ANY INFO OBTAINED HERE NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS MEDICAL OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE

> DECISION TO VACCINATE IS YOURS AND YOURS ALONE.

> Well Within's Earth Mysteries & Sacred Site Tours

> http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin

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> Education, Homeopathic Education

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>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Carolyn, I think the law says they can quarantine people who refuse

vaccinations or medications, not just people who are sick. Anyone?

Sandy from Alaska

ALL INFORMATION, DATA, AND MATERIAL CONTAINED, PRESENTED, OR PROVIDED HERE

IS FOR GENERAL INFORMATION PURPOSES ONLY AND IS NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS

REFLECTING THE KNOWLEDGE OR OPINIONS OF THE PUBLISHER, AND IS NOT TO BE

CONSTRUED OR INTENDED AS PROVIDING MEDICAL OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE DECISION

WHETHER OR NOT TO VACCINATE IS AN IMPORTANT AND COMPLEX ISSUE AND SHOULD BE

MADE BY YOU, AND YOU ALONE, IN CONSULTATION WITH YOUR HEALTH CARE PROVIDER.

FORCED VACCINATIONS - My question to you!

> Ok, I'm going to say some things here. Some of you are new to these

lists,

> but..........

>

> We are in an absolute horrifying CRISIS here. Your freedoms are about to

> be reduced even further to NOTHING.

>

> Let me ask you,

> As you are standing in line at the local school gymnasium, waiting to have

> your forced smallpox vaccine (and possibly all of the others that you have

> not gotten that they will want to catch you up on),

>

> WHAT WILL YOU SAY TO YOUR CHILD LOOKING UP AT YOU?

>

> Will you say

> 1. Sorry, I didn't have enough time to do anything to stop this?

> 2. Sorry, I just didn't think I was smart enough to stop this

> 3. Sorry, I just didn't take it seriously

> 4. Sorry, I thought someone else would stop this

> 5. Sorry, I didn't have 5 minutes to call my state NVIC representative to

> find out what I could do

> 6. Sorry, I preferred to get this new dress or shoes instead of send

money

> to NVIC to help them help us

>

> 6. Sorry, I didn't CARE ENOUGH to stop this

>

>

> WHAT WILL YOU SAY?

>

> Sheri

> some of you don't know me, but most of you do. I spend hours and hours

> everyday teaching you and warning you - I don't even have children - I

> currently am not even in the US. What are you going to do to stop this?

> There is nothing left to say - either you do something now or you are lost

> --------------------------------------------------------

> Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA

> Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK

> Cwmclyn Cottage, Libanus, Brecon LD3 8EP Wales 01874 624 936

> $$ Donations to help in the work - accepted by Paypal account

> vaccineinfo@...

> (go to http://www.paypal.com) or by mail

> PO Box 1563 Nevada City CA 95959 530-740-0561 Voicemail in US

> http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm

> ANY INFO OBTAINED HERE NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS MEDICAL OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE

> DECISION TO VACCINATE IS YOURS AND YOURS ALONE.

> Well Within's Earth Mysteries & Sacred Site Tours

> http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin

> International Tours, Homestudy Courses, ANTHRAX & OTHER Vaccine Dangers

> Education, Homeopathic Education

> CEU's for nurses, Books & Multi-Pure Water Filters

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

At 11:40 AM 11/12/2001 -0500, you wrote:

>Sherri,

>

>First of all, I appreciate very much your message board... 'have been a

>member over a year now and the info has been GREAT!!!

>But, I am wondering if we should be more cautious about how we respond to

>these proposals of quarantine. Hasn't quarantine been used way back in

>previous centuries as a form of protecting the unsick from those who have

>ALREADY contracted the disease? Isn't this what the proposal is -- that

>those who are sick will be placed somewhere for health care and such....?

>I don't think they are suggesting that those who refuse vaccination will be

>forced into stadiums.

NO - read the law- it is about forced vaccination.

Who cares about quarentine - no one - of course we don't worry about that.

Did you read what I 've been sending out now?

They are talking forcing you to vaccinate not matter what

Pray all you want but you better do something else too

The jews all prayed big time I'm sure

http://www.publichealthlaw.net/MSEHPA/MSEHPA.pdf (a pdf file that requires

adobe acrobat reader)

--------------------------------------------------------

Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA

Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK

$$ Donations to help in the work - accepted by Paypal account

vaccineinfo@...

(go to http://www.paypal.com) or by mail

PO Box 1563 Nevada City CA 95959 530-740-0561 Voicemail in US

http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm

ANY INFO OBTAINED HERE NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS MEDICAL OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE

DECISION TO VACCINATE IS YOURS AND YOURS ALONE.

Well Within's Earth Mysteries & Sacred Site Tours

http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin

International Tours, Homestudy Courses, ANTHRAX & OTHER Vaccine Dangers

Education, Homeopathic Education

CEU's for nurses, Books & Multi-Pure Water Filters

[Guest guest]

At 07:42 AM 11/12/2001 -0900, you wrote:

>Carolyn, I think the law says they can quarantine people who refuse

>vaccinations or medications, not just people who are sick. Anyone?

>

>Sandy from Alaska

You are getting distracted here - it is not about quarentine!!!!!!!!!1 Its

about forced vaccination

--------------------------------------------------------

Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA

Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK

$$ Donations to help in the work - accepted by Paypal account

vaccineinfo@...

(go to http://www.paypal.com) or by mail

PO Box 1563 Nevada City CA 95959 530-740-0561 Voicemail in US

http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm

ANY INFO OBTAINED HERE NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS MEDICAL OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE

DECISION TO VACCINATE IS YOURS AND YOURS ALONE.

Well Within's Earth Mysteries & Sacred Site Tours

http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin

International Tours, Homestudy Courses, ANTHRAX & OTHER Vaccine Dangers

Education, Homeopathic Education

CEU's for nurses, Books & Multi-Pure Water Filters

[Guest guest]

Sheri, Please explain why you are putting it this way. Here is what it

says: Section 502 (a)(4) " Any person refusing to submit to the medical

examination and/or testing is liable for a misdemeanor. If the public

health authority is uncertain whether a person who refuses to undergo

medical examination and/or testing may have been exposed to an infectious

disease or otherwise poses a danger to public health, the public health

authority may subject the individual to isolaiton or quarantine as porvided

in this Article. "

In the section on vaccination it says: Section 504( Refusal. "

Individuals refusing to be vaccinated or treated shall be liable for a

misdemeanor. If, by reason of refusal of vaccination or treatment, the

person poses a danger to the public health, he or she may be subject to

islation or quarantine pursuant to the provisions of this Article. "

Now, don't get me wrong, I think we absolutely should fight this, but I

think it is about both forcing vaccination and what happens to those who

refuse.

Sandy

ALL INFORMATION, DATA, AND MATERIAL CONTAINED, PRESENTED, OR PROVIDED HERE

IS FOR GENERAL INFORMATION PURPOSES ONLY AND IS NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS

REFLECTING THE KNOWLEDGE OR OPINIONS OF THE PUBLISHER, AND IS NOT TO BE

CONSTRUED OR INTENDED AS PROVIDING MEDICAL OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE DECISION

WHETHER OR NOT TO VACCINATE IS AN IMPORTANT AND COMPLEX ISSUE AND SHOULD BE

MADE BY YOU, AND YOU ALONE, IN CONSULTATION WITH YOUR HEALTH CARE PROVIDER.

RE: FORCED VACCINATIONS - My question to you!

At 07:42 AM 11/12/2001 -0900, you wrote:

>Carolyn, I think the law says they can quarantine people who refuse

>vaccinations or medications, not just people who are sick. Anyone?

>

>Sandy from Alaska

You are getting distracted here - it is not about quarentine!!!!!!!!!1 Its

about forced vaccination

--------------------------------------------------------

Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA

Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK

$$ Donations to help in the work - accepted by Paypal account

vaccineinfo@...

(go to http://www.paypal.com) or by mail

PO Box 1563 Nevada City CA 95959 530-740-0561 Voicemail in US

http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm

ANY INFO OBTAINED HERE NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS MEDICAL OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE

DECISION TO VACCINATE IS YOURS AND YOURS ALONE.

Well Within's Earth Mysteries & Sacred Site Tours

http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin

International Tours, Homestudy Courses, ANTHRAX & OTHER Vaccine Dangers

Education, Homeopathic Education

CEU's for nurses, Books & Multi-Pure Water Filters

[Guest guest]

At 08:05 AM 11/12/2001 -0900, you wrote:

>Sheri, Please explain why you are putting it this way. Here is what it

>says: Section 502 (a)(4) " Any person refusing to submit to the medical

>examination and/or testing is liable for a misdemeanor. If the public

>health authority is uncertain whether a person who refuses to undergo

>medical examination and/or testing may have been exposed to an infectious

>disease or otherwise poses a danger to public health, the public health

>authority may subject the individual to isolaiton or quarantine as porvided

>in this Article. "

>

>In the section on vaccination it says: Section 504( Refusal. "

>Individuals refusing to be vaccinated or treated shall be liable for a

>misdemeanor. If, by reason of refusal of vaccination or treatment, the

>person poses a danger to the public health, he or she may be subject to

>islation or quarantine pursuant to the provisions of this Article. "

>

>Now, don't get me wrong, I think we absolutely should fight this, but I

>think it is about both forcing vaccination and what happens to those who

>refuse.

Of course. But her original email was only protesting quarantine - and for

those who were ill was how I read it.

No freedoms should be limited in my opinion ever. But you can recover from

quarantine, you can't always recover from vaccination.

--------------------------------------------------------

Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA

Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK

$$ Donations to help in the work - accepted by Paypal account

vaccineinfo@...

(go to http://www.paypal.com) or by mail

PO Box 1563 Nevada City CA 95959 530-740-0561 Voicemail in US

http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm

ANY INFO OBTAINED HERE NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS MEDICAL OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE

DECISION TO VACCINATE IS YOURS AND YOURS ALONE.

Well Within's Earth Mysteries & Sacred Site Tours

http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin

International Tours, Homestudy Courses, ANTHRAX & OTHER Vaccine Dangers

Education, Homeopathic Education

CEU's for nurses, Books & Multi-Pure Water Filters

[Guest guest]

I'd be interested to know when people were held down

by health practioners in their own homes and

forcefully vaccinated.

a in MA

--- nnu29@... wrote:

> In a message dated 11/12/01 6:44:00 PM GTB Standard

> Time,

> Rlangdon@... writes:

>

> <<

> those who are sick will be placed somewhere for

> health care and such....?

> I don't think they are suggesting that those who

> refuse vaccination will be

> forced into stadiums. It sounds to me like this is

> only for those who are

> sick and so it would be possibly the most

> humanitarian thing >>

>

>

> Those who are sick and those who have possibly been

> exposed.I read a little

> into the US public health history,and in terms of

> the rights for

> individuals...well it isn't pretty.People were held

> down by police and

> vaccinated by the nurse on door to door visits.I

> doubt if people won't face

> monetary charges for declining vaccines.It isn't

> just smallpox vaccines that

> can be forced. Sure it all sounds good on paper but

> what happens in reall

> life will be far from a humanitarian thing.

>

> sara

>

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Have many of you even read the Model State Emergency

Health Powers Act that was posted here? Section 405

(pg 23) states:

Section 405 Control of health care supplies

(a) Procurement. The public health authority may

purchase and distribute anti-toxins, serums, vaccines,

immunizing agents, antibiotics, and other

pharmaceutical agents or medical supplies that it

deems advisable in the interest of preparing for or

controlling a publich health emergency, without

additional legislative authorization.

Then see Section 504:

Section 504 Vaccination and treatment. The publich

health authority may exercise, for such period as the

state of publich health emergency exists, the

following emergency powers over persons -

(a) In general. To compel a person to be vaccinate

and/or treated for infectious disease.

(1) Vaccination may be performed by any qualified

person authorized by the public health authority.

(2) The vaccine shal not be given if the publich

health authority has reason to know that a patricular

individual is likely to suffer from serious harm from

the vaccination.

....

( Refusal. Individuals refusing to be vaccinated or

treated shall be liable for a misdemeanor. If, by

reason of refusal of vaccination or treatment, the

person poses a danger to the public health, he or she

may be subject to isolation or quarantine pursuant to

the provisions of this Article.

....

then see Section 804:

Section 804 Liability

(a) State Immunity. Neither the State, its political

subdivisions, nor, except in cases of gross negligence

or willful misconduct, the Governor, the public health

authority, or any other State official referenced in

this Act, is liable for the death of or any injury to

person, or damage to property, as a result of

complying with or attempting to comply with this Act

or any rule or regulations promulgated pursuant to

this Act.

I, for one, intend to attempt to convince my

pediatrician and my own doctor to put in our files

that we have medical reasons to NOT be vaccinated. I

don't know if it will work, but it's DEFINATELY worth

trying!!!

--- Sandy Mintz <sandym@...> wrote:

> Sheri, Please explain why you are putting it this

> way. Here is what it

> says: Section 502 (a)(4) " Any person refusing to

> submit to the medical

> examination and/or testing is liable for a

> misdemeanor. If the public

> health authority is uncertain whether a person who

> refuses to undergo

> medical examination and/or testing may have been

> exposed to an infectious

> disease or otherwise poses a danger to public

> health, the public health

> authority may subject the individual to isolaiton or

> quarantine as porvided

> in this Article. "

>

> In the section on vaccination it says: Section

> 504( Refusal. "

> Individuals refusing to be vaccinated or treated

> shall be liable for a

> misdemeanor. If, by reason of refusal of

> vaccination or treatment, the

> person poses a danger to the public health, he or

> she may be subject to

> islation or quarantine pursuant to the provisions of

> this Article. "

>

> Now, don't get me wrong, I think we absolutely

> should fight this, but I

> think it is about both forcing vaccination and what

> happens to those who

> refuse.

>

> Sandy

>

> ALL INFORMATION, DATA, AND MATERIAL CONTAINED,

> PRESENTED, OR PROVIDED HERE

> IS FOR GENERAL INFORMATION PURPOSES ONLY AND IS NOT

> TO BE CONSTRUED AS

> REFLECTING THE KNOWLEDGE OR OPINIONS OF THE

> PUBLISHER, AND IS NOT TO BE

> CONSTRUED OR INTENDED AS PROVIDING MEDICAL OR LEGAL

> ADVICE. THE DECISION

> WHETHER OR NOT TO VACCINATE IS AN IMPORTANT AND

> COMPLEX ISSUE AND SHOULD BE

> MADE BY YOU, AND YOU ALONE, IN CONSULTATION WITH

> YOUR HEALTH CARE PROVIDER.

>

>

>

>

> RE: FORCED VACCINATIONS - My

> question to you!

>

>

> At 07:42 AM 11/12/2001 -0900, you wrote:

> >Carolyn, I think the law says they can quarantine

> people who refuse

> >vaccinations or medications, not just people who

> are sick. Anyone?

> >

> >Sandy from Alaska

>

> You are getting distracted here - it is not about

> quarentine!!!!!!!!!1 Its

> about forced vaccination

>

--------------------------------------------------------

> Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA

> Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada

> City CA & Wales UK

> $$ Donations to help in the work - accepted by

> Paypal account

> vaccineinfo@...

> (go to http://www.paypal.com) or by mail

> PO Box 1563 Nevada City CA 95959 530-740-0561

> Voicemail in US

> http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm

> ANY INFO OBTAINED HERE NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS

> MEDICAL OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE

> DECISION TO VACCINATE IS YOURS AND YOURS ALONE.

> Well Within's Earth Mysteries & Sacred Site Tours

> http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin

> International Tours, Homestudy Courses, ANTHRAX &

> OTHER Vaccine Dangers

> Education, Homeopathic Education

> CEU's for nurses, Books & Multi-Pure Water Filters

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I know of a Alaska Native woman whose child was given the Hep B vaccine

without her permission in school many years ago. She was furious, he was

never the same again, she told them never to do it again. They did.

Of course, many of you are aware that newborns were often given the HepB

vaccine without getting permission or even notifying the parents. I'm not

sure that is still happening.

Sandy

Re: FORCED VACCINATIONS - My question to you!

In a message dated 11/12/01 7:46:25 PM GTB Standard Time, erica3k@...

writes:

<<

I'd be interested to know when people were held down

by health practioners in their own homes and

forcefully vaccinated. >>

I still have not gone to the library to get the specific book I read it

from.Maybe today we will stop there.I think it was this book.....<A

HREF= " http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0786884401/qid=1005587734/sr=2-

1/

ref=sr_2_7_1/103-1255924-0801419 " >Click here: Amazon.com: buying info:

Betrayal of Trust : The Collapse of Global Public Health</A>

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0786884401/qid=1005587734/sr=2-1/ref=

sr

_2_7_1/103-1255924-0801419

I do recall a child being given the DTaP by force in home and this was

recent.

[Guest guest]

dear sheri, what can i do to help stop this , i live in nj. thanks. bonnie

guerin timguerin@...

FORCED VACCINATIONS - My question to you!

> Ok, I'm going to say some things here. Some of you are new to these

lists,

> but..........

>

> We are in an absolute horrifying CRISIS here. Your freedoms are about to

> be reduced even further to NOTHING.

>

> Let me ask you,

> As you are standing in line at the local school gymnasium, waiting to have

> your forced smallpox vaccine (and possibly all of the others that you have

> not gotten that they will want to catch you up on),

>

> WHAT WILL YOU SAY TO YOUR CHILD LOOKING UP AT YOU?

>

> Will you say

> 1. Sorry, I didn't have enough time to do anything to stop this?

> 2. Sorry, I just didn't think I was smart enough to stop this

> 3. Sorry, I just didn't take it seriously

> 4. Sorry, I thought someone else would stop this

> 5. Sorry, I didn't have 5 minutes to call my state NVIC representative to

> find out what I could do

> 6. Sorry, I preferred to get this new dress or shoes instead of send

money

> to NVIC to help them help us

>

> 6. Sorry, I didn't CARE ENOUGH to stop this

>

>

> WHAT WILL YOU SAY?

>

> Sheri

> some of you don't know me, but most of you do. I spend hours and hours

> everyday teaching you and warning you - I don't even have children - I

> currently am not even in the US. What are you going to do to stop this?

> There is nothing left to say - either you do something now or you are lost

> --------------------------------------------------------

> Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA

> Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK

> Cwmclyn Cottage, Libanus, Brecon LD3 8EP Wales 01874 624 936

> $$ Donations to help in the work - accepted by Paypal account

> vaccineinfo@...

> (go to http://www.paypal.com) or by mail

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> http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm

> ANY INFO OBTAINED HERE NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS MEDICAL OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE

> DECISION TO VACCINATE IS YOURS AND YOURS ALONE.

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> http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin

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> Education, Homeopathic Education

> CEU's for nurses, Books & Multi-Pure Water Filters

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 11/13/01 5:31:39 PM GTB Standard Time,

Rlangdon@... writes:

<<

that someone with a white coat will have the right to knock on my door and

jab me with a syringe...... Maybe I am mistaken. >>

In refernece to my posting I was just pointing out that the US HAD in the

past forced vacciantions upon unwilling citizens,so for me it is not far

fetched to believe it may lead to that again one day.You know...all for the

great good

Sara

[Guest guest]

Sheri, Sara and all others who have responded,

Thanks for your input. Again, I am against forced vaccination just like all

of you. But I don't read in the official statements that have been posted

that someone with a white coat will have the right to knock on my door and

jab me with a syringe...... Maybe I am mistaken. If that be true our

country is in far worse shape than I thought..... I went back and read it

again and indeed believe the focus was on quarantine :

>Thursday, November 8, 2001

>Public health officials want to shut down roads and airports, herd people

>into sports stadiums and, if needed, quarantine entire cities in the event

>of a smallpox attack, according to a plan being forwarded to all 50

>governors this week.

>The plan, drafted at the request of the U.S. Centers for Disease Control,

>could give states sweeping new powers.

>`In tough times you have to make tough decisions,'' said sen,

>assistant commissioner for the state Department of Public Health, who said

>he received a copy of the 50-page plan last week.

>``There are times when you may have to evacuate, control facilities and

>roads (and) the distribution of health supplies, and force people to submit

>to examinations or be quarantined,'' he said.

>``If the alternative is to allow the spread of infectious diseases, it's a

>no-brainer,'' he said.

Also please note the following that was included indicating that the

legislation is still in the making -- not complete-- due to the fact that

many representatives *understand the importance* of maintaining people's

rights:

>``The Act recognizes that a state's ability to respond

>to a public health emergency must respect the *dignity and rights* of

>persons.'' Sen. (D-Uxbridge), co-chairman of the

Legislature's

>health care committee, has filed a bill that would incorporate many

>provisions of the model law. `

I think it will come down to the same thing we experience now -- without

vaccines our children are not allowed to attend school, right? (Well, we

have worked around that obstacle-- for the better I might add -- and now

homeschool :-)). It will be like that only, SADLY, on a much larger

scale..... we won't be able to go to ANY public areas for a

time -- (but then again, would we want to be out in public during an

outbreak)?

During that time could we not have food delivered. Could we not do without

outings to the mall, movies and other entertainment for a time? With divine

guidance and creativity, I believe needs can and will be met. The only real

tough issue is maintaining a source of

income/JOB. And THAT IS A BIG ISSUE....... But, our family, personally,

has foreseen this kind of thing coming, if not the small-pox vaccine issue,

then a chip implant or something else requiring allegiance to government as

our god....... and the way we see it, it is all just a matter of time before

our family will be forced into some sort of separation from society anyway.

We have thus, tried to take measures to get out of debt.

Sure it will be a costly decision to reject these vaccines and other such

mandates, but doing the best thing is often the more difficult road. The

reality that I am Praying and HOPING FOR is this: Because business owners

don't want

to lose business and go bankrupt, and stock owners don't want the market to

crash, they will think twice about joining in the rejection of unvaccinated

customers for any great length of time.......

In my heart, and this is what I pray --I believe if we are calm, rational

people we can reason a way through this. Ranting and having a fighting

spirit will only invite the very thing we are trying to avoid and,

furthermore, provide fuel for those who are waiting and looking for the

right opportunity to

cast blame...... MHO. Don't you know how the media can take one ranting

person and stereotype all anti-vaccination advocates as lunatics and a

threat to society.........? We are intelligent, thinking people and, thus,

should be constrained when we make our points....... Truth never has to be

presented defensively. Only weak arguments require yelling because there is

no substance to the point. So, yes, we SHOULD VOICE our concerns to those

in leadership, right now while this issue is still being deliberated and

while there is still yet time, but I believe it MUST be done with much

carefulness and restraint. Remember, we are dealing with some people who

seemingly don't have brains OR hearts :-)

Again, as mentioned --yes, the Jews were persecuted. They calmly protested

and were still rounded up, abused, even killed..... But, the German

leadership and cohorts CUT THEIR OWN throats by the actions they took. So,

too, will the leaders of this country if they so foolishly conduct

themselves in the same manner.

Let us pray that they will be granted the wisdom to see this and make their

decisions accordingly.

Trusting in the only ONE who can make it all work out, who gives life and

preserves the soul,

Carolyn L.

Re: FORCED VACCINATIONS - My question to you!

> In a message dated 11/12/01 6:44:00 PM GTB Standard Time,

> Rlangdon@... writes:

>

> << I

> wouldn't want to go shopping at the grocery store with a bunch of people

> sick with tuberculosis hacking next to me.

> >>

> But in reality you face this very possibility every day.TB and pertussis

is

> on the risk and many people work or shop while sick.

>

> sara

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Carolyn, While I don't usually like to make comparisons to what happened in

Germany, I find I must comment on a few things you said. First, the Germans

cut their throats because they expanded their murderous regime, the world

was in a fight for its life, and the Germans lost. Had they simply focused

on killing people in their own country, they might well have gotten away

with it. And it's not as if they killed only a few - they were not stopped

before they had killed millions of innocent people.

And the Jews were murdered not because they calmly protested, but because

they didn't realize what was happening until it was too late. And because

few came to their aid, thinking either it was their problem, or because they

agreed with what was happening.

And while it does seem to be about quarantine, if you read the entire

document it would appear that they could take you from your home and put you

somewhere. In the act they talk about creating spaces just for that, trying

to make people as comfortable as possible. This is a very dangerous

precedent in my mind. It's not about keeping children out of school during

an epidemic, it's about taking people from their homes.

This is not benign stuff - it's about what I consider a very dangerous

notion, the " common good " . But who decides what constitutes the common

good, and how many are sacrificed? All the people who have lost their lives

fighting to preserve freedom, what were they preserving, if it comes to

this?

Of course we need to be careful how we present ourselves. I hope you have

never heard any extreme statements from me, but this is VERY worrisome and

calls for serious work. We need to start thinking about contacting our

legislators, if we have not already done so, thinking very carefully about

what we say and how we say it. But we need to do it in great numbers, or it

won't matter what we do.

It is true that it is legislation is " only " in the making, but it will not

be made according to our wishes unless we get involved in a meaningful way.

Sandy from Alaska

ALL INFORMATION, DATA, AND MATERIAL CONTAINED, PRESENTED, OR PROVIDED HERE

IS FOR GENERAL INFORMATION PURPOSES ONLY AND IS NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS

REFLECTING THE KNOWLEDGE OR OPINIONS OF THE PUBLISHER, AND IS NOT TO BE

CONSTRUED OR INTENDED AS PROVIDING MEDICAL OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE DECISION

WHETHER OR NOT TO VACCINATE IS AN IMPORTANT AND COMPLEX ISSUE AND SHOULD BE

MADE BY YOU, AND YOU ALONE, IN CONSULTATION WITH YOUR HEALTH CARE PROVIDER.

Re: FORCED VACCINATIONS - My question to you!

[Guest guest]

I think it's important to remember in contacting

legislators that signing petitions is NOT helpful.

Every time they receive a petition, no matter how many

names it has on it, it is considered as ONE response.

Same for identifying yourself with a group, like NVIC

or whatever. When you write letters make sure to just

sign your name, no affiliation. That way we each

count as one response, and they get that many more to

count!!!

a in MA

--- Sandy Mintz <sandym@...> wrote:

> Carolyn, While I don't usually like to make

> comparisons to what happened in

> Germany, I find I must comment on a few things you

> said. First, the Germans

> cut their throats because they expanded their

> murderous regime, the world

> was in a fight for its life, and the Germans lost.

> Had they simply focused

> on killing people in their own country, they might

> well have gotten away

> with it. And it's not as if they killed only a few

> - they were not stopped

> before they had killed millions of innocent people.

>

> And the Jews were murdered not because they calmly

> protested, but because

> they didn't realize what was happening until it was

> too late. And because

> few came to their aid, thinking either it was their

> problem, or because they

> agreed with what was happening.

>

> And while it does seem to be about quarantine, if

> you read the entire

> document it would appear that they could take you

> from your home and put you

> somewhere. In the act they talk about creating

> spaces just for that, trying

> to make people as comfortable as possible. This is

> a very dangerous

> precedent in my mind. It's not about keeping

> children out of school during

> an epidemic, it's about taking people from their

> homes.

>

> This is not benign stuff - it's about what I

> consider a very dangerous

> notion, the " common good " . But who decides what

> constitutes the common

> good, and how many are sacrificed? All the people

> who have lost their lives

> fighting to preserve freedom, what were they

> preserving, if it comes to

> this?

>

> Of course we need to be careful how we present

> ourselves. I hope you have

> never heard any extreme statements from me, but this

> is VERY worrisome and

> calls for serious work. We need to start thinking

> about contacting our

> legislators, if we have not already done so,

> thinking very carefully about

> what we say and how we say it. But we need to do it

> in great numbers, or it

> won't matter what we do.

>

> It is true that it is legislation is " only " in the

> making, but it will not

> be made according to our wishes unless we get

> involved in a meaningful way.

>

> Sandy from Alaska

>

> ALL INFORMATION, DATA, AND MATERIAL CONTAINED,

> PRESENTED, OR PROVIDED HERE

> IS FOR GENERAL INFORMATION PURPOSES ONLY AND IS NOT

> TO BE CONSTRUED AS

> REFLECTING THE KNOWLEDGE OR OPINIONS OF THE

> PUBLISHER, AND IS NOT TO BE

> CONSTRUED OR INTENDED AS PROVIDING MEDICAL OR LEGAL

> ADVICE. THE DECISION

> WHETHER OR NOT TO VACCINATE IS AN IMPORTANT AND

> COMPLEX ISSUE AND SHOULD BE

> MADE BY YOU, AND YOU ALONE, IN CONSULTATION WITH

> YOUR HEALTH CARE PROVIDER.

>

>

>

>

> Re: FORCED VACCINATIONS - My

> question to you!

>

>

>

>

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Sandy,

Through further reading of other articles and such, it does appear that

there is something in the making to allow for an unquestionably strong

enforcement of new vaccine policies and that non-compliance will be

considered a threat to the " good of society " --as you pointed out, (which I

also agree is barbaric) ...... I guess we will be considered a new form of

terrorist, huh!? I am concerned and will definitely speak up, though,

realisitically, it will probably do no good. I have a feeling this is all

part of a bigger picture --global order-- if you know what I mean, and that

these measures are being planted out on the table by certain of the elite

(who are interested in destroying the Constitution and American sovereignty

for the purpose of forming a globalized system of government)to see how

people will respond. Those now in government positions, the

military/national guard, medical personnel and other such employment

requiring full support of all new government policies-- and not wishing to

appear insubordinate in any way --are probably wrestling with some real

difficult choices right now. They want to keep their job -- so they are

forcibly swallowing all the propaganda (possibly being brainwashed) to

justify within their consciences that the measures they will have to

implement will be all for the good........ Sadly, I think the time is ripe

for this type of action because most people, now feeling very vulnerable,

want peace and security at all costs and are simply too ignorant to realize

that by giving up their rights in pursuit of these two " promised " things,

they will receive neither.

Your words concerning Germany sadly ring too familiar:

>And the Jews were murdered not because they calmly protested, but because

>they didn't realize what was happening until it was too late. And because

> *few came to their aid*, thinking either it was their problem, or because

they

>agreed with what was happening.

There are many facets to this thing, vaccinations just being one issue, but

I personally believe these are just early " feeler " tests to see how

compliant and how easily able to be manipulated the American people are.

Anyway, let us get busy folks. Let's make those contacts. Let's get this

issue discussed on the talk shows. Though we may be few, there still may

yet be time to persuade people to open their eyes to the facts ......

Carolyn L.

Re: FORCED VACCINATIONS - My question to you!

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

" Anyway, let us get busy folks. Let's make those

> contacts. Let's get this

> issue discussed on the talk shows. Though we may be

> few, there still may

> yet be time to persuade people to open their eyes to

> the facts ...... "

>

> Carolyn L.

>

I think this is a fallacy we are expected to believe,

too! We are not FEW! I think we are MANY and just

haven't found each other yet. I live in a VERY

mainstream city and I have found many like-minded

people here. Also my pediatrician's office and the

one who wrongly told me that there was no doctor in

the county who would see us have told me that there

are many of us, and growing every day. I almost want

to be quarantined together just so we can see how

strong we really are, both in number and constitution!

My allopathic, mainstream pediatrician counsels new

parents to delay the HepB until age 14! We are MANY,

we are just lost. That's why I love this group.

Remember the old commercial - some shampoo, but it was

" they tell two friends, and they tell two friends... "

I get more information here that's in an acceptable

form (actual figures and studies and current, too)

that I pass on to friends and family than anywhere

else; all my books are outdated right now. We are

strong, we are many, and we are growing!

a in MA

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Thanks Carolyn and a. I look forward to working with you both, and the

others of you out there, and all those you can gather to you, and on and on

and on.

Sandy from Alaska

ALL INFORMATION, DATA, AND MATERIAL CONTAINED, PRESENTED, OR PROVIDED HERE

IS FOR GENERAL INFORMATION PURPOSES ONLY AND IS NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS

REFLECTING THE KNOWLEDGE OR OPINIONS OF THE PUBLISHER, AND IS NOT TO BE

CONSTRUED OR INTENDED AS PROVIDING MEDICAL OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE DECISION

WHETHER OR NOT TO VACCINATE IS AN IMPORTANT AND COMPLEX ISSUE AND SHOULD BE

MADE BY YOU, AND YOU ALONE, IN CONSULTATION WITH YOUR HEALTH CARE PROVIDER.

[Guest guest]

It looks that way. It will depend upon whether or not they invoke the

emergency, of course.

RE: FORCED VACCINATIONS - My question to you!

>

>

>At 07:42 AM 11/12/2001 -0900, you wrote:

>>Carolyn, I think the law says they can quarantine people who refuse

>>vaccinations or medications, not just people who are sick. Anyone?

>>

>>Sandy from Alaska

>

>You are getting distracted here - it is not about quarentine!!!!!!!!!1 Its

>about forced vaccination

>--------------------------------------------------------

>Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA

>Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK

>$$ Donations to help in the work - accepted by Paypal account

>vaccineinfo@...

>(go to http://www.paypal.com) or by mail

>PO Box 1563 Nevada City CA 95959 530-740-0561 Voicemail in US

>http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm

>ANY INFO OBTAINED HERE NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS MEDICAL OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE

>DECISION TO VACCINATE IS YOURS AND YOURS ALONE.

>Well Within's Earth Mysteries & Sacred Site Tours

>http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin

>International Tours, Homestudy Courses, ANTHRAX & OTHER Vaccine Dangers

>Education, Homeopathic Education

>CEU's for nurses, Books & Multi-Pure Water Filters

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

>Anyway, let us get busy folks. Let's make those contacts. Let's get this

>issue discussed on the talk shows. Though we may be few, there still may

>yet be time to persuade people to open their eyes to the facts ......

>

so, what are you and others actually doing?

--------------------------------------------------------

Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA

Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK

$$ Donations to help in the work - accepted by Paypal account

vaccineinfo@...

(go to http://www.paypal.com) or by mail

PO Box 1563 Nevada City CA 95959 530-740-0561 Voicemail in US

http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm

ANY INFO OBTAINED HERE NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS MEDICAL OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE

DECISION TO VACCINATE IS YOURS AND YOURS ALONE.

Well Within's Earth Mysteries & Sacred Site Tours

http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin

International Tours, Homestudy Courses, ANTHRAX & OTHER Vaccine Dangers

Education, Homeopathic Education

CEU's for nurses, Books & Multi-Pure Water Filters

[Guest guest]

Exactly a!

Sheri

At 05:55 PM 11/13/2001 -0800, you wrote:

>

> " Anyway, let us get busy folks. Let's make those

>> contacts. Let's get this

>> issue discussed on the talk shows. Though we may be

>> few, there still may

>> yet be time to persuade people to open their eyes to

>> the facts ...... "

>>

>> Carolyn L.

>>

>I think this is a fallacy we are expected to believe,

>too! We are not FEW! I think we are MANY and just

>haven't found each other yet. I live in a VERY

>mainstream city and I have found many like-minded

>people here. Also my pediatrician's office and the

>one who wrongly told me that there was no doctor in

>the county who would see us have told me that there

>are many of us, and growing every day. I almost want

>to be quarantined together just so we can see how

>strong we really are, both in number and constitution!

> My allopathic, mainstream pediatrician counsels new

>parents to delay the HepB until age 14! We are MANY,

>we are just lost. That's why I love this group.

>Remember the old commercial - some shampoo, but it was

> " they tell two friends, and they tell two friends... "

>I get more information here that's in an acceptable

>form (actual figures and studies and current, too)

>that I pass on to friends and family than anywhere

>else; all my books are outdated right now. We are

>strong, we are many, and we are growing!

>a in MA

>

>__________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

When you have it all together maybe you can copy me on the which excerpts

you've chosen so I don't have to reinvent the wheel. That will give me some

time to work on some other sources that I can send them to as well. I have a

lot of radio contacts and can send it out and try to get it in the hands of

some of the larger networks. I just honestly don't have the time to pull all

the articles and source them (I can barely find time to read this list). If

you send it to me directly I can have a good head start!

Thanks!

T

In a message dated 11/14/01 10:31:44 AM Eastern Standard Time,

Rlangdon@... writes:

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