Re: Fwd: Bush plans forced immunizations, quarantines

[Guest guest]

That is absolutely crazy - Anthrax isn't even contagious so what would a

quarantine do? I doubt they could ever pull this off....would make a great

movie though wouldn't it?

[Guest guest]

well I am with you all I hate to see this come about but the world and our

government is rapidly changing so I have a feeling that the vaccination issue

is just one of the many things we are gonna have to endure. Life as we once

knew it will never be again. I am not sure where to start to protect our

children. I guess just binding together and hoping for the best. Any ideas

you all have my support.

Amy

OHIO

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[Guest guest]

In a message dated 11/5/2001 2:40:57 PM Central Standard Time,

vaccineinfo@... writes:

> WHO needs to know who your stateleader is for NVIC? Who would like to

> become involved?

>

Sheri,

Who's the state leader for TX?

Thanks,

Colleen

[Guest guest]

Some of us are waiting to find out whether or not we start with Congress or

our states. Will keep you informed.

Sandy from Alaska

Re: Fwd: Bush plans forced immunizations,

quarantines

At 05:45 PM 11/05/2001 +0000, you wrote:

>

>

>

>This is a very important article. After I read it, I asked myself, what

>would I do to protect myself and my child against against the harmful

>effects of vaccination, if it was forced upon us? What would you do? I

>canot afford a homeopath. The first thing that came to my mind was vitamin

>c therepy and dietary changes. Does anyone else have any suggestions? I

am

>taking Sherri's homeopathy class. Hopefully, I can learn enough to help us

>if that situation occurs.

Well, #1, we aren't there yet.

#2 - you refuse as people have in the past - there is a history here in

Wales where I live at the present, of parents going to jail before they

vaccinated their children. You allow quarentine, or whatever.

#3 - if total freedoms are lost and you are somehow forced and I can't

quite get my head around that - Nuremberg Code, Assault and Battery and all

sorts of things are in my minds.

But there are many of us and I swear I'll mobilize anything I can to help

in that very worst case scenario. But you don't give in.

This is just a model law, but it is ominous

PEOPLE HAVE got to go on the offensive and contact their state reps -

monitor laws in the state related to your exemptions, etc.

Many of you have state leaders for NVIC. If you don't know who they are,

write to me. If you don't have a leader some one of you has got to step

forward or you will be very sorry.

Sheri

[Guest guest]

At 05:45 PM 11/05/2001 +0000, you wrote:

>

>

>

>This is a very important article. After I read it, I asked myself, what

>would I do to protect myself and my child against against the harmful

>effects of vaccination, if it was forced upon us? What would you do? I

>canot afford a homeopath. The first thing that came to my mind was vitamin

>c therepy and dietary changes. Does anyone else have any suggestions? I am

>taking Sherri's homeopathy class. Hopefully, I can learn enough to help us

>if that situation occurs.

Well, #1, we aren't there yet.

#2 - you refuse as people have in the past - there is a history here in

Wales where I live at the present, of parents going to jail before they

vaccinated their children. You allow quarentine, or whatever.

#3 - if total freedoms are lost and you are somehow forced and I can't

quite get my head around that - Nuremberg Code, Assault and Battery and all

sorts of things are in my minds.

But there are many of us and I swear I'll mobilize anything I can to help

in that very worst case scenario. But you don't give in.

This is just a model law, but it is ominous

PEOPLE HAVE got to go on the offensive and contact their state reps -

monitor laws in the state related to your exemptions, etc.

Many of you have state leaders for NVIC. If you don't know who they are,

write to me. If you don't have a leader some one of you has got to step

forward or you will be very sorry.

Sheri

>

>>>From: " Lederman "

>>>Date: Sun Nov 4, 2001 3:27 pm

>>>Subject: [TheEagle-L] Bush plans forced immunizations, quarantines

>>>http://baltech.org/lederman/

>>> " Lederman "

>>>

>>>FEEL FREE TO WIDELY FORWARD AND POST THIS ARTICLE

>>>

>>>Bush plans forced immunizations, quarantines

>>>

>>>by Lederman

>>>

>>>http://baltech.org/lederman/

>>>

>>>If the Bush administration's seeming incompetence in handling the anthrax

>>>issue

>>>and tendency to issue conflicting statements generating confusion and

>>>panic in

>>>the public has you puzzled, perhaps this may shed a bit of light on what

>>>they

>>>are actually up to. The CDC (Center for Disease Control) has drafted a

>>>model

>>>law which will require forced vaccinations of all Americans, imprisonment

>>>and

>>>quarantine of those who refuse to submit to vaccination, seizure of

>>>property

>>>and other drastic measures (see three news articles below).

>>>

>>>Vaccination is one of the most controversial aspects of medicine. While

>>>the

>>>official position of the medical establishment is that vaccination is a

>>>foundation of public health policy, thousands of doctors and hundreds of

>>>millions of people worldwide consider it to be a leading cause of disease,

>>>neurological damage, learning disabilities and death and to be ineffective

>>>in

>>>conferring immunity.

>>>

>>>The Bush administration has numerous direct ties to vaccine and drug

>>>manufacturers and many of Bush's cabinet members are former drug company

>>>executives. The Bush family also has more than a seventy year long

>>>documented

>>>involvement with eugenics and population control.

>>>

>>>To get a picture of where this is going read NY Times 11/4/2001 DRUG

>>>INDUSTRY A

>>>Muscular Lobby Tries to Shape Nation's Bioterror Plan

>>>http://www.nytimes.com

>>>

>>>An excerpt from this long article..... " As that success shows, the

>>>pharmaceutical lobby, which represents the nation's biggest drug makers,

>>>from

>>>Eli Lilly to Pfizer to Merck, is both large and politically adroit and, if

>>>anything, more sophisticated than when it gained fame in the early 1990's

>>>for

>>>helping to defeat the Clinton administration health plan. It has more

>>>lobbyists

>>>than there are members of Congress - 625 who are registered. It had a

>>>combined

>>>lobbying and campaign contribution budget in 1999 and 2000 of $197

>>>million,

>>>larger than any other industry. Now it is harnessing those resources to

>>>influence major policy decisions being made by the Bush administration

>>>that may

>>>well influence public health issues and industry profitability for years

>>>to

>>>come - much to the dismay of many consumer groups and others...Because of

>>>the

>>>anthrax scare, and all the attention given to Cipro, the anti-anthrax drug

>>>of

>>>choice, that access has been enormous. In recent weeks, the chief

>>>executives

>>>and other top executives of Merck, Bristol-Myers Squibb, Bayer, Pfizer,

>>>Eli

>>>Lilly and & , along with trade association officials, have

>>>been

>>>meeting regularly with Bush cabinet members. On one occasion, with

>>>executives

>>>from other industries, pharmaceutical executives met with President Bush

>>>in New

>>>York to discuss the administration's response to terrorism. Drug company

>>>executives have offered to send scores of industry scientists, now on

>>>their

>>>payrolls, to work in government agencies in what the industry calls a gift

>>>to

>>>the nation, but critics say it is both a conflict of interest and a way

>>>for the

>>>industry to get a toehold in government. In return, at these top-level

>>>meetings, industry executives and lobbyists are seeking exemption from

>>>antitrust regulations, reduction of the timetable for getting new drugs to

>>>market for treating the ills of biological warfare, and immunity from

>>>lawsuits

>>>for any vaccines they develop to combat bioterrorism. The administration,

>>>those

>>>in the meeting say, has offered other help, asking the pharmaceutical

>>>executives to identify the regulatory barriers they would like to see

>>>eliminated for this fight. Last Wednesday, for instance, a dozen industry

>>>lobbyists and executives, among them R. Dolan, chief executive of

>>>Bristol-Myers, and V. Gilmartin, chief executive of Merck, met for

>>>an

>>>hour and a half in the Roosevelt Room of the White House with Tom Ridge,

>>>the

>>>director of homeland security. According to one person at the meeting, Mr.

>>>Ridge was so impressed with what the industry executives said that he

>>>responded: " I'm grateful for your offers of assistance. I accept. " That ,

>>>according to the meeting's participant, reflected " a true partnership

>>>between

>>>the federal government and America's pharmaceutical companies. "

>>>

>>>From CNN.com

>>>

>>>CDC releases draft of public health law October 31, 2001

>>>

>>> " ATLANTA, Georgia (AP) -- A model law drafted for states at the request of

>>>the

>>>federal government would give authorities broad powers to close buildings,

>>>take

>>>over hospitals and order quarantines during a biological attack.

>>>

>>>The draft, commissioned by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention

>>>and

>>>made public Tuesday, provides a template for states to respond to the

>>>release

>>>of a deadly agent like smallpox or Ebola. Whether to adopt such a law is

>>>up to

>>>state legislatures. If any did, state officials could take drastic steps

>>>--

>>>including controlling the sale of food and gas and condemning contaminated

>>>buildings -- to prevent mass casualties from an outbreak.

>>>

>>> " The current laws are hopelessly antiquated, " said Lawrence Gostin, a

>>>professor

>>>of law and public health at town University and the draft's

>>>principal

>>>author. " They predated all of the modern threats to the public health.

>>>Many of

>>>them are probably unconstitutional. "

>>>

>>>Even before September 11, the federal government wanted states to update

>>>their

>>>public health laws, some of which date to the 19th century.

>>>

>>>The CDC asked public health and law specialists at s Hopkins and

>>>town

>>>universities, who were writing the draft, to put it on a fast track

>>>because of

>>>the terrorist attacks and the anthrax outbreak. The 40-page draft would

>>>allow

>>>state public health officials to purchase as many drugs as they see fit

>>>and

>>>ration them without getting approval from other branches of government.

>>>

>>>It also would give state authorities the right to mandate medical testing

>>>of

>>>its citizens, to isolate people deemed a threat to the public health and

>>>to

>>>order private doctors to do the testing. In a bioterrorism emergency,

>>>states

>>>could seize hospitals, other property and " communication devices " they

>>>believe

>>>are necessary to stop a biological attack from killing huge numbers of

>>>people.

>>>

>>>The draft tries to head off the concerns of civil liberties groups over

>>>governmental control. It says citizens have the right to the review of a

>>>court

>>>if they object to being forced into quarantine or ordered to take a

>>>vaccine.

>>>The law would be triggered by the governor in the event of bioterrorism or

>>>an

>>>epidemic that poses a substantial risk of significant fatalities.

>>>

>>>Because anthrax isn't contagious, the current response has been chiefly

>>>about

>>>tracking the germ, treating the infected and distributing antibiotics. A

>>>more

>>>contagious and deadly agent, such as smallpox or Ebola virus, would

>>>require a

>>>much broader -- and faster -- response, possibly including mass

>>>vaccinations

>>>and quarantining entire communities.

>>>

>>>The draft has been delivered to the CDC for tinkering. State government

>>>associations, including the National Governors Association and the

>>>National

>>>Conference of State Legislatures, also collaborated. "

>>>

>>>The following story ran on page D4 of the Boston Globe on 10/31/2001.

>>>

>>>By Bloomberg News,, 10/31/2001

>>>

>>> " WASHINGTON - States would be able to force patients to take medication

>>>under

>>>model legislation outlining when and how governors can use emergency

>>>powers to

>>>address public health crises such as recent anthrax attacks. The model

>>>law,

>>>commissioned by the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, also

>>>would

>>>give people the right to appeal states' decisions to quarantine or isolate

>>>them. Individuals with contagious diseases, such as smallpox, wouldn't be

>>>able

>>>to appeal orders for treatment or vaccination under the law.

>>>

>>>State governments are concerned that laws are inadequate to address new

>>>kinds

>>>of public health threats such as the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks on

>>>buildings in

>>>New York and Washington or the use of germ or chemical

>>>

>>>weapons. Fifteen Americans have been infected with anthrax, a deadly

>>>bacterial

>>>disease, and thousands more are taking antibiotics as a precaution.

>>>Lawrence

>>>Gostin, chief author of the model law and a professor at town

>>>University

>>>Law Center, said the academic panel that drafted the proposal tried to

>>>balance

>>>the need to control disease with individuals' civil rights - something he

>>>said

>>>isn't done under many

>>>

>>>current state laws. ''We felt if we were too Draconian and didn't respect

>>>people's rights, that meant the terrorists would win,'' Gostin said.

>>>

>>>Emergency powers allow governors to suspend normal government temporarily,

>>>letting states swiftly address disease epidemics or natural disasters such

>>>as

>>>earthquakes. Legal and public health experts at

>>>

>>>town University and s Hopkins University examined all states'

>>>emergency-powers laws in crafting the model.

>>>

>>>Under the model law, states could quarantine or isolate individuals who

>>>are

>>>infected with a contagious disease, though the patients would have the

>>>right to

>>>appeal that decision in court. The patient would remain

>>>

>>>quarantined or isolated until the appeals process was exhausted, Gostin

>>>said.

>>>

>>>Patients could be forced to take medicines or receive vaccines for

>>>contagious

>>>diseases that pose a public health threat, such as smallpox, under the

>>>model

>>>law. Patients wouldn't be allowed to appeal a state's

>>>

>>>decision, though the state would likely quarantine anyone who refused to

>>>comply, triggering an appeals process, Gostin said. States would avoid

>>>civil

>>>liberties violations if they enact laws that spell out penalties such as

>>>the

>>>loss of public benefits, instead of incarceration, for patients who refuse

>>>treatment, said R. Alta Charo, a professor at the University of Wisconsin

>>>Law

>>>School. "

>>>

>>>

>>

>

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[Guest guest]

Because I'm just not sure that it isn't supposed to go there first -

probably not, but I just wanted to be sure. It probably won't hurt to write

your state legislators, though, even if it has to pass Congress first.

Sandy

RE: Fwd: Bush plans forced immunizations,

quarantines

Well, it was a model for the states? Why would you go to Congress?

Sheri

At 09:01 AM 11/05/2001 -0900, you wrote:

>Some of us are waiting to find out whether or not we start with Congress or

>our states. Will keep you informed.

>

>Sandy from Alaska

>

--------------------------------------------------------

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[Guest guest]

Well my thing is, how are you supposed to protect your kid if you are

locked up?

If I was given the choice either to vaccinate and keep my child or

not vacinate and have my child taken away, sorry to have to say, I

would probably vaccinate. And when I say taken away, I am not

talking about the present day religious exemption, CPS system. I am

talking about marshal law, full effect " big brother " , police state

type situations. I have learned to never say never. Many people

felt that Sept. 11 could never happen, and it did. I am not going to

underestimate my government.

[Guest guest]

Well, it was a model for the states? Why would you go to Congress?

Sheri

At 09:01 AM 11/05/2001 -0900, you wrote:

>Some of us are waiting to find out whether or not we start with Congress or

>our states. Will keep you informed.

>

>Sandy from Alaska

>

--------------------------------------------------------

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[Guest guest]

At 06:13 PM 11/05/2001 -0000, you wrote:

>Well my thing is, how are you supposed to protect your kid if you are

>locked up?

I agree.

>If I was given the choice either to vaccinate and keep my child or

>not vacinate and have my child taken away, sorry to have to say, I

>would probably vaccinate. And when I say taken away, I am not

>talking about the present day religious exemption, CPS system. I am

>talking about marshal law, full effect " big brother " , police state

>type situations. I have learned to never say never. Many people

>felt that Sept. 11 could never happen, and it did. I am not going to

>underestimate my government.

Didn't mean to sound belittling of your concern - was speaking to everyone.

Didn't mean to say that its better to get arrested. I'm just saying you

resist as best you can.

And you make your choices - there is no magic answer.

The best answer is to get involved on a state level to try and prevent it

but all seems dark right now

--------------------------------------------------------

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Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & UK

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[Guest guest]

In a message dated 11/5/01 2:43:01 PM Central Standard Time,

vaccineinfo@... writes:

<< I'll see some responose from

you besides unsubbing from this list. Get off your butts and NOWWWWWWWWWW >>

What exactly is there for us to do?

I have so far been the type to research , do what *i* want with *my*

children and thats as far as I go.

What more can I do?

[Guest guest]

what would I do to protect myself and my child against against the harmful

>effects of vaccination, if it was forced upon us? >

Does anyone else have any suggestions?

Hello,

Thank you Sheri for your fearless answer to this question. I am afraid of what

could be forced upon us and I gain a lot of strength from your knowledge.

One suggestion or addition to what else we can do would be to build and

strenghten the immune system through essential oils. I think having an optimum

immune system is going to be the key to protecting us with or with out the

vaccines. I'm bookmarked if any one wants to search that out.

Sincerely,

---------------------------------

[Guest guest]

At 03:14 PM 11/05/2001 EST, you wrote:

>That is absolutely crazy - Anthrax isn't even contagious so what would a

>quarantine do? I doubt they could ever pull this off....would make a great

>movie though wouldn't it?

>

>

>

It is more serious than that (and it isn't about anthrax) and yes they

could pull it off unless EVERYONE does something and now.

WHO needs to know who your stateleader is for NVIC? Who would like to

become involved?

WHO is not a member and needs to become a member of NVIC - they are right

now working with this issue very hard and NEED all of our support.

http://www.909shot.com to become members.

You ALL have to put your money here #1 - I mean it!

--------------------------------------------------------

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Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & UK

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[Guest guest]

At 03:24 PM 11/05/2001 EST, you wrote:

>well I am with you all I hate to see this come about but the world and our

>government is rapidly changing so I have a feeling that the vaccination

issue

>is just one of the many things we are gonna have to endure. Life as we once

>knew it will never be again. I am not sure where to start to protect our

>children. I guess just binding together and hoping for the best. Any ideas

>you all have my support.

>Amy

>OHIO

NOOOOOOOOOOO. YOu do not have to endure it. I'm sorry, but this attitude

has GOT TO GO.

Get out there and do something. Join NVIC #1.

Find out who your state leader is

Do something besides being on this list. There are so few of us doing

anything and I am really getting tired of being one of the few - I'm sorry

if this hurts some of your feelings, but the time has come for those who

have guts and courage and really want to do something to step forward. If

you truly care about protecting your children, I'll see some responose from

you besides unsubbing from this list. Get off your butts and NOWWWWWWWWWW

Now, who is going to do something - email NOW and tell me what you aare

going to do and what information you'd like from me.

http://www.909shot.com is NVIC for the first step.

--------------------------------------------------------

Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA

Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & UK

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ANY INFO OBTAINED HERE NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS MEDICAL OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE

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[Guest guest]

Colleen, You are lucky to not have only a state leader, but one of the

leaders of the leaders, Dawn in Texas. Go to:

http://www.vaccinationnews.com/VaccinationGroups.htm and to find the

information you need in order to contact her and GET INVOLVED. Please.

Thanks for asking.

Sandy from Alaska

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Re: Fwd: Bush plans forced immunizations,

quarantines

In a message dated 11/5/2001 2:40:57 PM Central Standard Time,

vaccineinfo@... writes:

> WHO needs to know who your stateleader is for NVIC? Who would like to

> become involved?

>

Sheri,

Who's the state leader for TX?

Thanks,

Colleen

[Guest guest]

I do not see any links on their website to find out who the state leaders

are...

Tonya in CA <'}}}><

On Mon, 05 Nov 2001 20:45:09 +0000 Sheri Nakken

<vaccineinfo@...> writes:

> WHO needs to know who your stateleader is for NVIC? Who would like

> to become involved?

> WHO is not a member and needs to become a member of NVIC - they are

> right now working with this issue very hard and NEED all of our

support.

> Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA

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[Guest guest]

Many of them are listed on my website, as I just mentioned, under vaccine

groups: http://www.vaccinationnews.com/VaccinationGroups.htm .

Re: Fwd: Bush plans forced immunizations,

quarantines

I do not see any links on their website to find out who the state leaders

are...

Tonya in CA <'}}}><

On Mon, 05 Nov 2001 20:45:09 +0000 Sheri Nakken

<vaccineinfo@...> writes:

> WHO needs to know who your stateleader is for NVIC? Who would like

> to become involved?

> WHO is not a member and needs to become a member of NVIC - they are

> right now working with this issue very hard and NEED all of our

support.

> Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA

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[Guest guest]

Very well said Sandy! Maureen

[Guest guest]

Thanks Sandy - I thought that was just for her leader in TX.

Tonya in CA <'}}}><

On Mon, 5 Nov 2001 12:56:17 -0900 " Sandy Mintz " <sandym@...>

writes:

> Many of them are listed on my website, as I just mentioned, under

> vaccine

> groups: http://www.vaccinationnews.com/VaccinationGroups.htm .

>

[Guest guest]

Hi everybody, Someone from one of the lists asked the question at the

bottom, and I'm going to send my response to everyone:

The problem is, there has been this insidious drive to take away our rights.

Each time there is little public reaction, more rights are taken away until

the time comes, and this may be it, when we have virtually none. You will

not be able to do what you want with your children. This is not an

individual problem for each family to solve independently. We must work

together, which is the only way we have any influence.

I will tell you some of the things I am doing, which will give you some idea

of what you can do:

1) I write letters to the editor and have had 4 Op Ed pieces published. I

just got a letter published by the Wall Street Journal on line.

2) I write letters to my legislators. I have met with my legislators

(meaning I have had to fly 750 miles to my capitol city in order to do so,

on my dime). I have introduced legislation (although I now know not to do

that until I have a strong political base behind me - hence the email list

mentioned below, and the website.)

3) I have testified to my state legislature.

4) I am building an email list of local people I hope will be willing to

write letters to their legislators and letters to the paper when it is

appropriate and meaningful to do so.

5) I sponsored a rally.

6) I have a website, the purpose of which is to educate the public.

7) I participate in online discussions, such as this.

8) I have been on the radio.

9) I am cultivating relationships with the media.

10) I wrote a letter to the producers and sponsors of NBC which eventually

had over 700 names on it.

11) There is more, but you get the idea.

We need to make the world aware of the other side of this story. I can't

tell you how many times I've asked for personal stories to put on my

website, so that the reality and magnitude of the problem can become

apparent, and how few people have responded. I have had to get stories from

other websites in order not make it seem as if there are really only a few

vaccine-injured children out there. I understand some people are afraid,

but that fear makes us weak. We cannot allow our fear to keep us from doing

the right thing. We not only have nothing to fear but fear itself, but the

paralysis from that fear will cause our worst fears to be realized.

Together we are strong.

I know it is hard. I had a rally in which 50 people showed up on a cold

April evening in Anchorage, including two families with vaccine injuries

that had been compensated byt he government, and the newspaper acted as if

it didn't even happen. So next time it needs to be 100, 200, whatever it

takes. But the problem is we are running out of time with the legislation

which is currently being proposed, this so-called " model " emergency medical

act. It is WAY HARDER to get back rights, than to keep them from being

taken away. Every time your rights are taken away, you have less power to

effect change.

The decisions which are made and which affect our lives profoundly are often

made by state legislatures. Our elected officials will not go against the

medical establishment and the lobbyists for them (and the drug companies)

unless they have the voters behind them. Voters who are uneducated on this

issue simply do not care. I view it as my job to educate the public in

order to motivate them to act. If my work here does not result in people

acting jointly to stop this madness, I am wasting my time.

Sheri and I and the other active members like Sara cannot do this alone. It

is pointless for us to try. We know many of you are overwhelmed by the day

to day problems of your lives, but it is nothing compared to having a

vaccine-damaged child. It is nothing compared to the weight of the lost

lives and potential.

Hope this helps.

Sandy from Alaska

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Re: Fwd: Bush plans forced immunizations,

quarantines

In a message dated 11/5/01 2:43:01 PM Central Standard Time,

vaccineinfo@... writes:

<< I'll see some responose from

you besides unsubbing from this list. Get off your butts and NOWWWWWWWWWW

>>

What exactly is there for us to do?

I have so far been the type to research , do what *i* want with *my*

children and thats as far as I go.

What more can I do?

[Guest guest]

You're welcome, Tonya. Sorry if I wasn't clear.

Everybody, please try and take advantage of my and Sheri's websites (and the

whale.to one, as well as the many others linked from these sites). There is

a wealth of information on them.

If you have any questions about or problems with navigating my site, please

ASK. I spend much of my life making this information available, and it

would be a shame if people weren't using it because they were afraid to

bother me. It's no bother - in fact, I am grateful to hear from anyone who

is interested.

Sandy from Alaska

Re: Fwd: Bush plans forced immunizations,

quarantines

Thanks Sandy - I thought that was just for her leader in TX.

Tonya in CA <'}}}><

On Mon, 5 Nov 2001 12:56:17 -0900 " Sandy Mintz " <sandym@...>

writes:

> Many of them are listed on my website, as I just mentioned, under

> vaccine

> groups: http://www.vaccinationnews.com/VaccinationGroups.htm .

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks, Maureen.

Re: Fwd: Bush plans forced immunizations,

quarantines

Very well said Sandy! Maureen

[Guest guest]

Amen Sandy!

Sheri

At 03:56 PM 11/05/2001 -0900, Sandy Mintz wrote:

>Hi everybody, Someone from one of the lists asked the question at the

>bottom, and I'm going to send my response to everyone:

>

>The problem is, there has been this insidious drive to take away our rights.

>Each time there is little public reaction, more rights are taken away until

>the time comes, and this may be it, when we have virtually none. You will

>not be able to do what you want with your children. This is not an

>individual problem for each family to solve independently. We must work

>together, which is the only way we have any influence.

>

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[Guest guest]

This is a very serious threat. I dont think we should wait to decide who to

voice our opinions to. We should be writing congresspeople and state reps. If

enough of our voices are heard then maybe we can make a difference. We should

write, email or fax any elected official who we can reach. It is not a good

strategy to wait and see what happens, hoping that people with ulterior

motives will make decisions that will meet our needs. By then it may be too

late. I think we need to let them know that 1) they are being

watched/monitored,whatever, and 2) that we will rally, protest, and otherwise

fight to protect or civil liberties.

This week is busy for me, but next week, I can draft a letter that those

interested could send to their elected official. As always, any assistance,

input and resource info is greatly appreciated.

marvis-chicago

[Guest guest]

You go girl! I like that in you Sheri. If you can point me to a web site

where I can find info on previous quarantines in US history, ie. the

japanese. I want to include some references in my letter to my elected

officials and media contacts.

Thanks.

Marvis-chicago

[Guest guest]

This is scaring the crap out of me. I need to know who to get in contact with.

I live in Southwestern Connecticut. Who do I write to, and at what levels?

I've never done this before, does anybody have a sample letter, or some

particular wording that should go in the letter? I'm actually a pretty good

letter writer, but not if I am not unless I understand completely the whole

picture KWIM? Can someone point me in the right direction?