Re: DOD decides it really CAN get away with the veterinarian lie

November 4, 1999

I guess it all goes back to the simple things, like the definition of a lie =

not telling the truth. There is no such thing as a " white " lie ... that is

just something people make up to help themselves feel better about telling a

lie.

November 4, 1999

>

> From: Meryl Nass <mnass@...>

>

> >From the AVIP Agency this week:

> >

> > I'd like to reiterate that the information about veterinarians being

> > routinely vaccinated is correct. That's not to say that every single

> > veterinarian is vaccinated against anthrax. We have heard from

> > veterinarians who say that receiving the anthrax vaccine is common

> practice.

> > These veterinarians generally deal with livestock and large farm animals

> > placing them at a higher risk for exposure to anthrax.

Those dorks!! " That's not to say that every single veterinarian is

vaccinated against anthrax. " Well, THAT must be the biggest

understatement of the century!!!

Here in Texas (lots of cows here) where the sherrifs dept. often has

to round them up after they spill out of overturned 18 wheelers, we

got this feedback from Texas A & M

" I spoke to Dr. Field at Texas A & M University today. Before I

got through to him, I spoke with Dr. Joanne Lupton. She had never heard

of the anthrax vaccine for people. " from C.

When I was in journalism class in school, I got a lesson in telling the

" truth " We were told, if you hear even one person say " Everyone had

a good time " (at a party etc.) Then you can print " it was said that a

good time was had by all "

If DoD knows a minimum of two veterinarians who " routinely " take the

Anthrax vaccine, then they would say (for them) taking it is a common

practice. If they are going back to the claims that veterinarians

routinely take it, this is still misleading and functionaly a lie.

I have posted this before, note that in this case of Anthrax on a

ranch, the only critters who are going to get vaccinated are the four

legged ones.....a policy that DoD would be wise to follow!

http://www.amarillonet.com/stories/082098/new_LG3378.001.shtml

Gretchen

November 5, 1999

" It all depends what your meaning of is, is. " Hmmm,

sound familiar. Wwhat a leadership group we have for

this country. Do they make it worded so that they are

ALWAYS in the right? But of course, us here in this

here military are just a bunch of uneducated peons

that know nuttin. OH PLEASE!!! Just venting. God

Bless you all.

Tim <(((><

--- ELLIOTTDSR@... wrote:

> I guess it all goes back to the simple things, like

> the definition of a lie =

> not telling the truth. There is no such thing as a

> " white " lie ... that is

> just something people make up to help themselves

> feel better about telling a

> lie.

>

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HELP!! Stop the mandatory anthrax vaccine inoculations

For more information go to:http://www.dallasnw.quik.com/cyberella/

and http://www.anthraxvaccine.org and http://www.gulfwarvets.com/ and

http://no2anthrax.freeservers.com/

November 5, 1999

I would like to know if the anthrax shots that some vets get are the same dose

and the same amount of shots that the military men and women get? Or is it a

one time shot?

November 5, 1999

More info for listers......ƒ Jim in Kansas

FROM: American Veterinarian

Medical Assoc.

[-anthrax-vac.-# vaccinated low ! ]

Anthrax vaccine has been

used for many years to protect veterinarians and others who are

occupationally exposed to anthrax.

However, the number of

veterinarians who are vaccinated is not large because the disease

in animals is sporadic in the United States so the risk of exposure is

small.

The reports of adverse reactions are similar to other human vaccines.

Lyle Vogel, DVM, MPH

Director, Scientific Activities

American Veterinary Medical Association

November 7, 1999

Move over baseball, lying has become the new national pasttime. May we

ask where these veterinarians are getting their vaccinations and how the

folks administering the vaccine are getting the mixture. Maybe the

Michigan Department of Public Health or Bioport can answer these

questions.

Meryl Nass wrote:

>

> From: Meryl Nass <mnass@...>

>

> >From the AVIP Agency this week:

> >

> > I'd like to reiterate that the information about veterinarians being

> > routinely vaccinated is correct. That's not to say that every single

> > veterinarian is vaccinated against anthrax. We have heard from

> > veterinarians who say that receiving the anthrax vaccine is common

> practice.

> > These veterinarians generally deal with livestock and large farm animals

> > placing them at a higher risk for exposure to anthrax.

>

> > Sincerely,

> >

> > DoD AVIP Agency

> > web site: http://www.anthrax.osd.mil

> > toll free number 1-877-GETVACC

> >

> --

> ** Please note new email address **

> mnass@...

>

> ====================

> Meryl Nass, M.D.

> 124 Wardtown Road

> Freeport, Maine 04032

> phone (207) 865-0875

> fax (207) 865-6975

>

November 8, 1999

Vets dont get the shot! see attached email I received from the Univ Wis vet

dept.

Dear Major ,

Apologies for this slow response. The fact is that anthrax vaccines

have not been used extensively in veterinary medicine in North America

for at least 20 years and probably longer. I have talked to a number

of colleagues on this subject, including veteran practitioners, and

cannot find anyone who has experience of their use. I suspect the

situation could be different in South America, or possibly in specific

regions of the US where anthrax has occurred. I have never personally

used or seen an anthrax vaccine.

In an article published by the American Association of Equine

Practitioners describing equine vaccination practices and

reccomendations, Dr. of the veterinary School at the

University of California at discusses the use of anthrax

vaccines in horses. The available equine vaccine is notorious for

local tissue reactions. What relationship this vaccine has to the

human product is unknown to me. It is possible that both the antigen

(anthrax bacillus component) and the adjuvant (immune stimulatory

carrier) could be different and possibly/probably less irritating.

However, it is also possible that they are not different. To

summarize, while I have not used anthrax vaccines myself, they are

reportedly responsible for severe local reactions at vaccination

sites, and have not been widely used by veterinarians for many years

in North America.

I hope this is of some help.

Dr. Lunn

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Date: 8/13/99 11:49 AM

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>Subject: Re: DOD decides it really CAN get away with the

veterinarian lie

>Date: Fri, Nov 5, 1999, 2:10 PM

>

>From: SLTYD0G69@...

>

>I would like to know if the anthrax shots that some vets get are the same

>dose and the same amount of shots that the military men and women get? Or

>is it a one time shot?

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