Guest guest Posted October 16, 1999 Report Share Posted October 16, 1999 Dear Meryl and the list, Here are two sites that provide background on the FERES doctrine. Supreme Court Dissents Invoke the Nuremberg Code: CIA and DOD Human Subjects Research Scandals: http://raleigh.dis.anl.gov/roadmap/achre/chap3_4.html FERES DOCTRINE http://www.lawtonok.net/vva/feres.htm Would these government officials (mostly civilian) have any responsibility in these matters (AVIP)? MEMBERSHIP HUMAN SUBJECTS RESEARCH SUBCOMMITTEE: http://www.nih.gov/grants/oprr/humansubcommitteeroster.htm Would these organizations be able to provide more information? Links of interest to those who work in human subjects research: http://www.aamc.org/research/primr/links.htm#human jfsorg@... http://www.enter.net/~jfsorg/ From: Meryl Nass <mnass@...> I'd like to suggest a dialogue here in which the possibility of a class action suit over vaccine induced illnesses, and a suit over wrongful discharges, can be discussed. Perhaps Congress will stop this program soon, but I'm getting frustrated with the hundreds or thousands of people being made ill each week as this program continues. And frustrated as well with the lack of medical care servicemembers are receiving. Has anyone got information on Feres Doctrine case law? I have many new documents which I think I will reserve for a legal challenge to the vaccine program. I wonder how a multi-billion dollar lawsuit would sit with those who have the power to stop this carnage? Can punitive damages be sought against those who have covered up or destroyed evidence to make this program proceed? Can criminal charges be brought as has been done against government officials in other nations who approved the use of contaminated blood products? What do the *now numerous* indemnifications for vaccine manufacturers mean? Who is liable? Who pays? Who goes to jail? Meryl Nass -- ** Please note new email address ** mnass@... ==================== Meryl Nass, M.D. 124 Wardtown Road Freeport, Maine 04032 phone (207) 865-0875 fax (207) 865-6975 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 16, 1999 Report Share Posted October 16, 1999 I agree with Dr. Nass. All of the people made ill and discharged should get together one hell of a legal challenge packed with overwhelming documented evidence. I also agree that certain officials in the DoD (civillian and military) need to be not only sacked from their jobs but also held accountable and thus tried before a court on criminal charges. Our military is in serious need of accountability. Things like: Who was responsible for losing all those Gulf War Veteran's shot records? Who ordered the destruction of that weapons depot in Iraq which they knew was full of chemical weapons and yet chose to blow it up and expose all the troops in that area to nerve agents and God knows what else? Who is responsible for forcing a harmful vaccine onto our military? Hehehe well I can answer that last one. Good ol' Mr. Cohen. Why did key medical officers in the military refuse to question Mr. Cohen and the Anthrax vaccination program despite massive evidence of serious problems with the vaccine on just about every aspect of the program? Could it be that they're just too worried about being replaced by another " Yes-Man " and thus go along and agree with Cohen about the AVIP in order to alleviate their cognitive dissonance? Unfortunately the military has a long " good ol' boy " tradition that is still firmly entrenched and it is difficult if not impossible to take legal action against them short of going to the Supreme Court. But if Congress does not seem to want to do anything about it then maybe the Anthrax vaccination program and the issue of human rights in the military in general needs to go all the way to the Supreme Court. Their also is the aspect of pursuing the case through the U.N. and international court as our military seems to be always violating the Nuremburg Codes. Unfortunatly that would probably freak out all those who believe that the U.N. wants to take over our military and would probably cause many to switch sides on the issue of the Anthrax vaccine. Still the facts are that our military has violated the Nuremburg Codes many times and no one is being held accountable. G. Meryl Nass wrote: > > From: Meryl Nass <mnass@...> > > I'd like to suggest a dialogue here in which the possibility of a class > action suit over vaccine induced illnesses, and a suit over wrongful > discharges, can be discussed. > > Perhaps Congress will stop this program soon, but I'm getting frustrated > with the hundreds or thousands of people being made ill each week as > this program continues. And frustrated as well with the lack of medical > care servicemembers are receiving. > > Has anyone got information on Feres Doctrine case law? > > I have many new documents which I think I will reserve for a legal > challenge to the vaccine program. > > I wonder how a multi-billion dollar lawsuit would sit with those who > have the power to stop this carnage? Can punitive damages be sought > against those who have covered up or destroyed evidence to make this > program proceed? Can criminal charges be brought as has been done > against government officials in other nations who approved the use of > contaminated blood products? > > What do the *now numerous* indemnifications for vaccine manufacturers > mean? Who is liable? Who pays? Who goes to jail? > > Meryl Nass > -- > ** Please note new email address ** > mnass@... > > ==================== > Meryl Nass, M.D. > 124 Wardtown Road > Freeport, Maine 04032 > phone (207) 865-0875 > fax (207) 865-6975 > > --------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 16, 1999 Report Share Posted October 16, 1999 Dear Meryl and List: In regards to the Feres doctrine and vaccine injury, I believe that the best place to look would be in the records of the litigation in the forced swine flu vaccinations of the 1970's. Laurie Garrett discussed this in her book " The Coming Plague " , but I don't remember the details. When I was directing a lab at Ft. Detrick (for the National Cancer Institute), we made several vaccine candidates for USAMRIID. Including a second-generation recombinant anthrax vaccine. The Army did not choose to indemnify us (I was working as a contractor). However, I did participate in the meetings that we had with our insurance agent. As I recollected it, the insurance we purchased was _product insurance_ for the potential damage that the vaccine might do to the recipients. Since this was vaccine for potential Phase I/II Clinical trials, the cost was relatively low. However, we were NOT covered in that insurance for personal or corporate NEGLIGENCE. I'm not sure if the indemnification by the Army was for the product only. For that reason, You might be able to go after the BioPort organization and employees, for negligence, as they have not been abiding by the FDA GMP regulations, as evidenced by the numerous FD 483 citations and the threat to revoke their license. You will, of course have to prove causality. Also, has anyone contacted Ralph Nader's Public Citizen? With the rather sorry showing of Dr in the testamony this week, you might be able to get them cranked up to do something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 1999 Report Share Posted October 17, 1999 This also opens the door to sue the FDA for knowingly allowing the deviations in good manufacturing standards. In addition, they have kept Anthrax on the market despite all the problems associated with it. They have not acted with the same diligence as they have with the rotavirus vaccine. They are the agency that is " supposed " to ensure safe and effective products. They have not accomplished this mission with the Anthrax Vaccine. They have also allowed a product to be used in a manner that it was not initially approved for. (IE: This vaccine is supposed to be a limited use, cutaneous anthrax vaccine.) Using it on 2.4 million military members for inhalational anthrax is a decidely different use. I also wonder if there is not a class action law suit over the fact that this vaccine is twice as likely to cause side effects in women. That is discriminatory and I wonder if you couldn't sue on behalf of female military members. Re: Time for a Lawsuit? > From: grobertson@... > > Dear Meryl and List: > > In regards to the Feres doctrine and vaccine injury, I believe that the best place to look would be in the records of the litigation in the forced swine flu vaccinations of the 1970's. Laurie Garrett discussed this in her book " The Coming Plague " , but I don't remember the details. > > When I was directing a lab at Ft. Detrick (for the National Cancer Institute), we made several vaccine candidates for USAMRIID. Including a second-generation recombinant anthrax vaccine. The Army did not choose to indemnify us (I was working as a contractor). However, I did participate in the meetings that we had with our insurance agent. As I recollected it, the insurance we purchased was _product insurance_ for the potential damage that the vaccine might do to the recipients. Since this was vaccine for potential Phase I/II Clinical trials, the cost was relatively low. However, we were NOT covered in that insurance for personal or corporate NEGLIGENCE. I'm not sure if the indemnification by the Army was for the product only. > > For that reason, You might be able to go after the BioPort organization and employees, for negligence, as they have not been abiding by the FDA GMP regulations, as evidenced by the numerous FD 483 citations and the threat to revoke their license. You will, of course have to prove causality. > > Also, has anyone contacted Ralph Nader's Public Citizen? With the rather sorry showing of Dr in the testamony this week, you might be able to get them cranked up to do something. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 1999 Report Share Posted October 17, 1999 In a message dated 10/17/99 10:06:07 PM !!!First Boot!!!, beller@... writes: << I also wonder if there is not a class action law suit over the fact that this vaccine is twice as likely to cause side effects in women. That is discriminatory and I wonder if you couldn't sue on behalf of female military members. >> Does anyone have any experience with the ACLU(American Civil Liberties Union) on this issue??? Have they been willing to support servicemembers with the anthrax vaccine???? ------------ In a message dated 10/17/99 5:17:21 PM !!!First Boot!!!, mnass@... writes: << I imagine it'll take a brave law firm with deep pockets to litigate this one, given the unlimited resources of DoD and the legal protections they have created for themselves. I'm exploring this. >> I also think that even starting a lawsuit against Bioport will send a HUGE shock wave against the military and the DOD...and at least it will inform a lot of people(by way of the media) about the anthrax vaccine!!!! Also, if Bioport is having such huge financial difficulties, especially after they told the DOD that they were going to raise the price of the vaccine to take care of some of their financial problems, then wouldn't this also mean that they wouldn't have a lot of money to put up a strong fight in the court room??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 1999 Report Share Posted October 17, 1999 HA! I contacted our local ACLU, they never replied. Gceelliott1@... wrote: > > From: Gceelliott1@... > > In a message dated 10/17/99 10:06:07 PM !!!First Boot!!!, > beller@... writes: > > << I also wonder if there is not a class action law suit over the fact that > this vaccine is twice as likely to cause side effects in women. That is > discriminatory and I wonder if you couldn't sue on behalf of female military > members. >> > > Does anyone have any experience with the ACLU(American Civil Liberties Union) > on this issue??? Have they been willing to support servicemembers with the > anthrax vaccine???? > ------------ > In a message dated 10/17/99 5:17:21 PM !!!First Boot!!!, > mnass@... writes: > > << I imagine it'll take a brave law firm with deep pockets to litigate this > one, given the unlimited resources of DoD and the legal protections they > have created for themselves. I'm exploring this. >> > > I also think that even starting a lawsuit against Bioport will send a HUGE > shock wave against the military and the DOD...and at least it will inform a > lot of people(by way of the media) about the anthrax vaccine!!!! > > Also, if Bioport is having such huge financial difficulties, especially after > they told the DOD that they were going to raise the price of the vaccine to > take care of some of their financial problems, then wouldn't this also mean > that they wouldn't have a lot of money to put up a strong fight in the court > room??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 1999 Report Share Posted October 17, 1999 When first refused the shot in Jan. '99, I wrote the Texas ACLU. They wrote back saying they could not take every case but that didn't mean our case didn't have merit. They suggested we contact a lawyer. Re: Re: Time for a Lawsuit? > From: " The Bellers " <beller@...> > > This also opens the door to sue the FDA for knowingly allowing the > deviations in good manufacturing standards. In addition, they have kept > Anthrax on the market despite all the problems associated with it. They have > not acted with the same diligence as they have with the rotavirus vaccine. > They are the agency that is " supposed " to ensure safe and effective > products. They have not accomplished this mission with the Anthrax Vaccine. > They have also allowed a product to be used in a manner that it was not > initially approved for. (IE: This vaccine is supposed to be a limited use, > cutaneous anthrax vaccine.) Using it on 2.4 million military members for > inhalational anthrax is a decidely different use. > > I also wonder if there is not a class action law suit over the fact that > this vaccine is twice as likely to cause side effects in women. That is > discriminatory and I wonder if you couldn't sue on behalf of female military > members. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 19, 1999 Report Share Posted October 19, 1999 I have also contacted the ACLU in Austin, no reply. On Sun, 17 Oct 1999 21:38:49 -0500 Bonita Colley <wec5438@...> writes: >From: Bonita Colley <wec5438@...> > >HA! I contacted our local ACLU, they never replied. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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