RE: Military Need Expanded Presumptive Lists

[Guest guest]

WOW! What a moving story. I find it interesting that I read these

articles and in the majority of them, I read the service member can not

always locate their service record, medical record, shot record, or

such.

When I was sent to an MEB for evaluation for my CIPD I acquired from the

Anthrax Vaccinations, the Air Force had all my records. However, after

I retired, my medical records, my personnel file, shot record, etc.,

have all but disappeared. ARPC has no record of ever receiving my

records and the National Personnel Center has no records either.

I also was able to determine that the US Air Force never sent my VAERS

Form into the CDC as required by Federal Law. I was able to find this

out by checking an on-line registry. I was also made aware of this my a

Medical Representative from Biosport. They contacted me a couple of

years ago asking me various questions regarding my medical situation.

They asked if I would share with them all of medical files from both the

civilian Neurologist and the US Air Force Neurologists which I had

copies of because I made sure that I had all of these.

The most interesting part about my contact with Biosport, is that the

woman told me that almost every service member who had received the

Anthrax Vaccinations she had talked with was telling her the same thing,

that their records were missing.

Military Need Expanded Presumptive Lists

Military Need Expanded Presumptive Lists

For approving Medical Disability during Service to the USA

to include any autoimmune issue that springs out of CFIDS ... even

degenerative disks ... take a look at the links ... those with the worst

treatment are the 'gulf war syndrome' vets and after that will be

today's

Quote: Is it really worth fighting the VA for Gulf War Syndrome? It

seems to me they just want to identify you to ridicule you and deny you

benifits. I served in the Navy from July 76 until Jul 96 when I finally

retired with my full 20 as a Chief Fire Controlman FCC (SW). I went out

after spending nine of my last 12 months of active duty on limited duty.

In July of 1995 I had a doctor who had been after me to go on limited

duty for about six months and after getting a complete a$$hole for an XO

I took him up on his offer. At the time I was having problems with

weakness in my left arm, (MRI's showed a herniated disc in my neck and a

couple, out of many, nerve tests showed some pinching of a nerve) at the

same time I was seeing a rheumatoligist for joint/muscle aches,

headaches and what they called DIMS ( Deminished ability to Induce and

Maintain Sleep). Mind you I had been hiding the joint and muscle pain

for years in fear of getting a medical retirement. During the course of

the exams I was having the doctor was having a hard time locating

reflexes in my left arm so he sent me to Bethesda to see a neuro surgeon

so off my wife and I went. During the exam in Bethesda the doctor told

me he was unable to get any reflexs anywhere in my body to react at all.

He belived I had Multiple Sclerosis (MS) and should go back to my doctor

in Mayport. I went back to FL and my Doctor did a spinal tap ( man talk

about the mother of all head aches) and ruled out MS, in the mean time I

was diagnosed with fibromyalgia. I was sent to ton on 9 month TAD

orders to be close to my family, went back to Floridqa for 3 months,

finished out my 20 and retired, no retirement cermony or party, no end

of service award, no thank you for your service, no transition

assistance program, no benifits briefing , nothing, just one day I wore

a uniform and the next day I didn't.

After I retired I approached civilian life just like I did military I

worked hard to be sucessful. But things were getting harder and harder.

When I first got out I applied for benfits for my neck and I had bad

knees as well as sinus surgery, knee surgery and a rebuilt ankle. I

continued to work hard ( as a Realtor). Being a sucessful Realtor takes

long hours, working 60+ hour weeks and never having a day off. You have

to be there when your clients are ready, day night or afternoon, weekday

or weekend. So please all of you appreciate what your Realtor does for

you. Any way after a while the body aches became to much and I was not

able to put in the hours I once was able to. The fatigue was getting to

me and there began to be days that I just could not fuction. I asked fro

an increase in my compensation fro fybromyalgia (which at the time was

only 10%) and I began to go to Voc Rehab training because I knew I would

not be able to continue the long hours Real Estate required to earn a

living. In In Jan 2003 I became ill and was having severe pain when

breathing, my doctors took some x-rays and decided I had pneumonia and

treated me with 10 days of antibiotics, a follow up appointment showed

no improvement, they then started antother course of stronger

antibiotics. Another follow up with no improvements. The x-ray showed a

large amount of fluid on my left lung. My doctor took me aside and

explained to me what was going on. He had consulted with another doctor

and I was going to have to go into the hospital for some test to rule

out TB and cancer. I went in, they drained 900ml off my left lung. Spent

10 daqys in hospital. Tets were neg for TB and cancer. Was out of

hospital for 10 days when it all started to happen again. This time

fluid was too thick to drain and I ended up with having my chest spread

open and having lung surgery to remove the mess. I spent 4 days in ICU

and 10 more days in hospital. I now have only about 50% lung capacity.

Subsequent follow up with the consulting rheumatologist shows it was an

autoimmune attack due to unspecified rheumatoid disease. I had a similar

episode in 1985 but the doctor ( an internist) was never able to figure

out what happened. I applied for benifits based on that and ofcourse the

VA denied my claim. They say there is no service connection and it is

probably related to the fybromyalgia for which I already receive

compensation. I asked my doctor to review my active duty service record

which he did and he pointed out several things that were over looked and

why my current illness was undiagnosed while on active duty, that there

were signs of it going all the way back to 1979 and that it was

completely seperate from my fybromyalgia. I filled an appeal and have

another C & P exam with the VA in a week. I am currently rated at 70% (

they droped me from 80 to 70 because they said that even though I now

have 2 more herniated discs in my neck and one more in my back my

degenerative disc disease is getting better). I am hoping to finally get

a 100% rating because due to my illness and the side effect of the meds

I take I haver been unable to work since May of 03. I now suffer from

near constant muscle/joint pain, fatigue, depression, headaches ( that

can last as long as a month at a time), have trouble sleeping, morning

stifness, and fogginess. I tried for Social Security ( on my own) with

out knowing the system and was turned down. hey told me to go back to

Real Estate. So much for the goverment you protected supporting you. I

was too embarassed to appeal. I guess I should try again.

How does all this tie into the Gulf War? I was over there aboard ship

but I never figured I was effected by GWS. I was over there long after

the peak of hostilities were over ( first half of 93). Of course we got

an array of shots and pills prior to deployment but I don't know where

my shot record is and there is nothing in my medical record. As a Fire

Controlman I worked on the Navy's Close In Weapons Sysytem (CIWS) which

fired 20mm DU rounds. We fired the rounds all the time and of course had

to clean the gun and police up the deck for the sabots and debris as

well as daily exposure to the magazine. This of course meant exposure to

solvents when cleaning the gun and its systems. Shipboard life naturally

meant some exposure to pesticides because the corpsman would have to

routinely spray for pests. How much if any of this can or has attributed

to where I am todqay I don't know but is it worth going to the VA and

having them poke and probe me even more then they have? Is it worth them

trying to discredit what I have already fought so hard for? It seems to

me the people who would have the most exposure were the ground troops

envolved in the actual ground war. Belive I could be wrong as I am as

far from being a knowledge source as one can be. It just seems that the

VA should be there to support the Veterans not to make their lives a

nightmare. The worst part is is that it seems like no one cares. We are

yesterdays garbage set out to the curb for collection and disposal.

brokendown & old Jan, 2005 Source

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ARTPAGE=1> org/fusetalk/messageview.cfm?catid=7 & threadid=258 & ST\

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Quote: As a Fire Controlman I worked on the Navy's Close In Weapons

Sysytem (CIWS) which fired 20mm DU rounds. We fired the rounds all the

time and of course had to clean the gun and police up the deck for the

sabots and debris as well as daily exposure to the magazine. This of

course meant exposure to solvents when cleaning the gun and its systems.

Shipboard life naturally meant some exposure to pesticides because the

corpsman would have to routinely spray for pests.

My dad was also FCC in the Navy in WWII.

He, I believe, had this chemical exposure I'm concerned about. I think

it is in bomb fumes that get in your eyes; also it is what guns are

cleaned with, most likely. Based on his death at about age 62 (too young

too die) and the changes in his personality/health ... and some minor

birth defects me and my brother have ... I do believe that the syndrome

X and diabetes that I showed up for me in recent years ...is a late to

show up birth defect. Some thoughts on this here: Why the epidemic of

DIABETES in WWII nations?

<http://www.valdezli

<http://www.valdezlink.com/pages/australia-diabetes.htm>

nk.com/pages/australia-diabetes.htm>

For the muscle weakness you shared on ... Could it be CIDP?

<http://www.valdezli <http://www.valdezlink.com/pages/cidp.htm>

nk.com/pages/cidp.htm> In the advance or acute

stage it is what Pres FDR had (goes by another name). He didn't have

polio, but the acute (instead of chronic) version of CIDP

Why I think Pres FDR was exposed to bomb fumes of WWI

<http://www.valdezli

<http://www.valdezlink.com/pages/thosewithcfids.htm#does>

nk.com/pages/thosewithcfids.htm#does> when he was

Assist Sect of the Navy & got as close to the front lines as they would

let him. About that time the male tanks were brought into the war ...

then in 1918 the 'Spanish flu " that killed millions. General Dynamics

wants to test these old things in a new package

<http://www.valdezli <http://www.valdezlink.com/pages/tank-testing.htm>

nk.com/pages/tank-testing.htm> & shoot them off

beyond our town in Jan/Feb of 07. Scares me a lot

The autoimmune issue you relate is VERY significant!

<http://groups.

<http://groups.msn.com/Avoid2-BEforHealth-MM/gulfwarillness.msnw?action=

get_message & mview=1 & ID_Message=332 & all_topics=0>

msn.com/Avoid2-BEforHealth-MM/gulfwarillness.msnw?action=\

get_message & mview=1 & ID_Message=332 & all_topics=0> I think the

Presumptive list should be for all military from WWI to the present

(excluding the real 'Agent-Orange-only' 'for sures')

Hawk asked about Chad Pagel of Indiana. Last I heard he was going in for

tumor removal in his nasal passages 8-6-05. I have not heard from him.

Since he shared a few months prior that his liver & bone marrow was

failing <http://home. <http://home.gci.net/~blessing/pages/finding.htm>

gci.net/~blessing/pages/finding.htm> and they had

him on mega drugs ... I'm concerned that he might not be alive. But I

don't know that.

He has asked me to look through his medical records and that of his

buddy who died about Christmas, 04. I believe they would both show the

signs of CFIDS - which would be a biormarker

<http://www.valdezin <http://www.valdezink.com/pages/flunotflu.htm#is>

k.com/pages/flunotflu.htm#is> of 2-butoxyethanol

poisoning <http://www.valdezli

<http://www.valdezlink.com/pages/doctorssay-theydonotknow.htm>

nk.com/pages/doctorssay-theydonotknow.htm>

__________________

2-butoxyethanol overexposure LOOKS LIKE the FLU

<http://www.valdezli <http://www.valdezlink.com/pages/lookslikeflu.htm>

nk.com/pages/lookslikeflu.htm> Why I think EGBE

is the WORST chemical for health effects

<http://www.valdezli <http://www.valdezlink.com/pages/thereare.htm>

nk.com/pages/thereare.htm>

[Guest guest]

Relax! In alllikelighood, your medical records are at the VA. If you're no

longer in the military, the military doesn't have them.

You can get a copy of all of them by filling out a SF-180 and sending it to

the VA Records Office in St. Louis. (I think it's in Box 11 on the back,

but I don't remember for sure.) You can get copies of your personnel

records from the NARA (National Archives and Records Administration) in St.

Louis, but it requires a separate SF-180 sent to a different office.

When you request your medical records, be sure to SPECIFICALLY request ALL

medical records, including physicians' and nurses' notes, laboratory and

radiology reports, medication and shot records, subspecialty clinic

referrals, MEB and PEB referrals and proceedings, letters, and anything else

you can think of. There's a place on the back of the SF-180 where you can

specify all that. Cast a wide net. You'll need all the information you can

possibly lay your hands on.

If for some reason you can't get your medical records, contact an attorney.

You have a statutory right to them, and the military cannot withhold any of

them from you. (As always, I suggest my attorney, J. Byron Holcomb,

<bylaw@...>. He's especially helpful if you live in the Pacific

Northwest or environs, since he's in a Seattle suburb.)

By the way, do NOT share any medical or other information with Bioport or

any other entity without clearing it with your attorney first. If you do,

you may be forfeiting your rights to medical record confidentiality.

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make violent revolution inevitable.

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..> RE: Military Need Expanded Presumptive Lists

..>

..> WOW! What a moving story. I find it interesting that I

..> read these articles and in the majority of them, I read the

..> service member can not always locate their service record,

..> medical record, shot record, or such.

..>

..> When I was sent to an MEB for evaluation for my CIPD I

..> acquired from the Anthrax Vaccinations, the Air Force had

..> all my records. However, after I retired, my medical

..> records, my personnel file, shot record, etc., have all but

..> disappeared. ARPC has no record of ever receiving my

..> records and the National Personnel Center has no records either.

..>

..> I also was able to determine that the US Air Force never

..> sent my VAERS Form into the CDC as required by Federal Law.

..> I was able to find this out by checking an on-line registry.

..> I was also made aware of this my a Medical Representative

..> from Biosport. They contacted me a couple of years ago

..> asking me various questions regarding my medical situation.

..> They asked if I would share with them all of medical files

..> from both the civilian Neurologist and the US Air Force

..> Neurologists which I had copies of because I made sure that

..> I had all of these.

..>

..> The most interesting part about my contact with Biosport, is

..> that the woman told me that almost every service member who

..> had received the Anthrax Vaccinations she had talked with

..> was telling her the same thing, that their records were missing.

[Guest guest]

http://pentagonchannel.feedroom.com

The basic propaganda message was likely broadcast at the link above.

Perhaps it can still be viewed.

IAW the www.PentagonChannel.mil page the initial propaganda barrage will

commence at 1230, i.e.,

" Around the Services: Anthrax shots mandatory again for some service members.

Find out why. PLus, thousands gather at the Pentagon to dedicate the new Air

Force memorial. (VoD, 30 min) "

[Guest guest]

I just came across this in my inbox, cleaning up older emails... I

also have not been able to track down my medical records either from

the ARPC nor National Personell Center.. I have sent request after

request for the past two yrs and just about 2 months ago the ARPC

notified me that they have found my records and I would have to

submit a request all over again for them? and to be specific in my

request.

I haven't recieved anything as yet?

>

> WOW! What a moving story. I find it interesting that I read these

> articles and in the majority of them, I read the service member

can not

> always locate their service record, medical record, shot record, or

> such.

>

> When I was sent to an MEB for evaluation for my CIPD I acquired

from the

> Anthrax Vaccinations, the Air Force had all my records. However,

after

> I retired, my medical records, my personnel file, shot record,

etc.,

> have all but disappeared. ARPC has no record of ever receiving my

> records and the National Personnel Center has no records either.

>

> I also was able to determine that the US Air Force never sent my

VAERS

> Form into the CDC as required by Federal Law. I was able to find

this

> out by checking an on-line registry. I was also made aware of

this my a

> Medical Representative from Biosport. They contacted me a couple

of

> years ago asking me various questions regarding my medical

situation.

> They asked if I would share with them all of medical files from

both the

> civilian Neurologist and the US Air Force Neurologists which I had

> copies of because I made sure that I had all of these.

>

> The most interesting part about my contact with Biosport, is that

the

> woman told me that almost every service member who had received the

> Anthrax Vaccinations she had talked with was telling her the same

thing,

> that their records were missing.

>

>

>

>

>

> Military Need Expanded Presumptive Lists

>

>

>

>

> Military Need Expanded Presumptive Lists

>

> For approving Medical Disability during Service to the USA

>

> to include any autoimmune issue that springs out of CFIDS ... even

> degenerative disks ... take a look at the links ... those with the

worst

> treatment are the 'gulf war syndrome' vets and after that will be

> today's

> Quote: Is it really worth fighting the VA for Gulf War Syndrome? It

> seems to me they just want to identify you to ridicule you and

deny you

> benifits. I served in the Navy from July 76 until Jul 96 when I

finally

> retired with my full 20 as a Chief Fire Controlman FCC (SW). I

went out

> after spending nine of my last 12 months of active duty on limited

duty.

> In July of 1995 I had a doctor who had been after me to go on

limited

> duty for about six months and after getting a complete a$$hole for

an XO

> I took him up on his offer. At the time I was having problems with

> weakness in my left arm, (MRI's showed a herniated disc in my neck

and a

> couple, out of many, nerve tests showed some pinching of a nerve)

at the

> same time I was seeing a rheumatoligist for joint/muscle aches,

> headaches and what they called DIMS ( Deminished ability to Induce

and

> Maintain Sleep). Mind you I had been hiding the joint and muscle

pain

> for years in fear of getting a medical retirement. During the

course of

> the exams I was having the doctor was having a hard time locating

> reflexes in my left arm so he sent me to Bethesda to see a neuro

surgeon

> so off my wife and I went. During the exam in Bethesda the doctor

told

> me he was unable to get any reflexs anywhere in my body to react

at all.

> He belived I had Multiple Sclerosis (MS) and should go back to my

doctor

> in Mayport. I went back to FL and my Doctor did a spinal tap ( man

talk

> about the mother of all head aches) and ruled out MS, in the mean

time I

> was diagnosed with fibromyalgia. I was sent to ton on 9

month TAD

> orders to be close to my family, went back to Floridqa for 3

months,

> finished out my 20 and retired, no retirement cermony or party, no

end

> of service award, no thank you for your service, no transition

> assistance program, no benifits briefing , nothing, just one day I

wore

> a uniform and the next day I didn't.

>

> After I retired I approached civilian life just like I did

military I

> worked hard to be sucessful. But things were getting harder and

harder.

> When I first got out I applied for benfits for my neck and I had

bad

> knees as well as sinus surgery, knee surgery and a rebuilt ankle. I

> continued to work hard ( as a Realtor). Being a sucessful Realtor

takes

> long hours, working 60+ hour weeks and never having a day off. You

have

> to be there when your clients are ready, day night or afternoon,

weekday

> or weekend. So please all of you appreciate what your Realtor does

for

> you. Any way after a while the body aches became to much and I was

not

> able to put in the hours I once was able to. The fatigue was

getting to

> me and there began to be days that I just could not fuction. I

asked fro

> an increase in my compensation fro fybromyalgia (which at the time

was

> only 10%) and I began to go to Voc Rehab training because I knew I

would

> not be able to continue the long hours Real Estate required to

earn a

> living. In In Jan 2003 I became ill and was having severe pain when

> breathing, my doctors took some x-rays and decided I had pneumonia

and

> treated me with 10 days of antibiotics, a follow up appointment

showed

> no improvement, they then started antother course of stronger

> antibiotics. Another follow up with no improvements. The x-ray

showed a

> large amount of fluid on my left lung. My doctor took me aside and

> explained to me what was going on. He had consulted with another

doctor

> and I was going to have to go into the hospital for some test to

rule

> out TB and cancer. I went in, they drained 900ml off my left lung.

Spent

> 10 daqys in hospital. Tets were neg for TB and cancer. Was out of

> hospital for 10 days when it all started to happen again. This time

> fluid was too thick to drain and I ended up with having my chest

spread

> open and having lung surgery to remove the mess. I spent 4 days in

ICU

> and 10 more days in hospital. I now have only about 50% lung

capacity.

> Subsequent follow up with the consulting rheumatologist shows it

was an

> autoimmune attack due to unspecified rheumatoid disease. I had a

similar

> episode in 1985 but the doctor ( an internist) was never able to

figure

> out what happened. I applied for benifits based on that and

ofcourse the

> VA denied my claim. They say there is no service connection and it

is

> probably related to the fybromyalgia for which I already receive

> compensation. I asked my doctor to review my active duty service

record

> which he did and he pointed out several things that were over

looked and

> why my current illness was undiagnosed while on active duty, that

there

> were signs of it going all the way back to 1979 and that it was

> completely seperate from my fybromyalgia. I filled an appeal and

have

> another C & P exam with the VA in a week. I am currently rated at

70% (

> they droped me from 80 to 70 because they said that even though I

now

> have 2 more herniated discs in my neck and one more in my back my

> degenerative disc disease is getting better). I am hoping to

finally get

> a 100% rating because due to my illness and the side effect of the

meds

> I take I haver been unable to work since May of 03. I now suffer

from

> near constant muscle/joint pain, fatigue, depression, headaches (

that

> can last as long as a month at a time), have trouble sleeping,

morning

> stifness, and fogginess. I tried for Social Security ( on my own)

with

> out knowing the system and was turned down. hey told me to go back

to

> Real Estate. So much for the goverment you protected supporting

you. I

> was too embarassed to appeal. I guess I should try again.

>

> How does all this tie into the Gulf War? I was over there aboard

ship

> but I never figured I was effected by GWS. I was over there long

after

> the peak of hostilities were over ( first half of 93). Of course

we got

> an array of shots and pills prior to deployment but I don't know

where

> my shot record is and there is nothing in my medical record. As a

Fire

> Controlman I worked on the Navy's Close In Weapons Sysytem (CIWS)

which

> fired 20mm DU rounds. We fired the rounds all the time and of

course had

> to clean the gun and police up the deck for the sabots and debris

as

> well as daily exposure to the magazine. This of course meant

exposure to

> solvents when cleaning the gun and its systems. Shipboard life

naturally

> meant some exposure to pesticides because the corpsman would have

to

> routinely spray for pests. How much if any of this can or has

attributed

> to where I am todqay I don't know but is it worth going to the VA

and

> having them poke and probe me even more then they have? Is it

worth them

> trying to discredit what I have already fought so hard for? It

seems to

> me the people who would have the most exposure were the ground

troops

> envolved in the actual ground war. Belive I could be wrong as I am

as

> far from being a knowledge source as one can be. It just seems

that the

> VA should be there to support the Veterans not to make their lives

a

> nightmare. The worst part is is that it seems like no one cares.

We are

> yesterdays garbage set out to the curb for collection and disposal.

> brokendown & old Jan, 2005 Source

> <http://www.gulfweb.

> <http://www.gulfweb.org/fusetalk/messageview.cfm?

catid=7 & threadid=258 & ST

> ARTPAGE=1> org/fusetalk/messageview.cfm?catid=7 & threadid=258 & ST\

> ARTPAGE=1>

>

> Quote: As a Fire Controlman I worked on the Navy's Close In Weapons

> Sysytem (CIWS) which fired 20mm DU rounds. We fired the rounds all

the

> time and of course had to clean the gun and police up the deck for

the

> sabots and debris as well as daily exposure to the magazine. This

of

> course meant exposure to solvents when cleaning the gun and its

systems.

> Shipboard life naturally meant some exposure to pesticides because

the

> corpsman would have to routinely spray for pests.

> My dad was also FCC in the Navy in WWII.

>

> He, I believe, had this chemical exposure I'm concerned about. I

think

> it is in bomb fumes that get in your eyes; also it is what guns are

> cleaned with, most likely. Based on his death at about age 62 (too

young

> too die) and the changes in his personality/health ... and some

minor

> birth defects me and my brother have ... I do believe that the

syndrome

> X and diabetes that I showed up for me in recent years ...is a

late to

> show up birth defect. Some thoughts on this here: Why the epidemic

of

> DIABETES in WWII nations?

> <http://www.valdezli

> <http://www.valdezlink.com/pages/australia-diabetes.htm>

> nk.com/pages/australia-diabetes.htm>

>

> For the muscle weakness you shared on ... Could it be CIDP?

> <http://www.valdezli <http://www.valdezlink.com/pages/cidp.htm>

> nk.com/pages/cidp.htm> In the advance or acute

> stage it is what Pres FDR had (goes by another name). He didn't

have

> polio, but the acute (instead of chronic) version of CIDP

>

> Why I think Pres FDR was exposed to bomb fumes of WWI

> <http://www.valdezli

> <http://www.valdezlink.com/pages/thosewithcfids.htm#does>

> nk.com/pages/thosewithcfids.htm#does> when he was

> Assist Sect of the Navy & got as close to the front lines as they

would

> let him. About that time the male tanks were brought into the

war ...

> then in 1918 the 'Spanish flu " that killed millions. General

Dynamics

> wants to test these old things in a new package

> <http://www.valdezli <http://www.valdezlink.com/pages/tank-

testing.htm>

> nk.com/pages/tank-testing.htm> & shoot them off

> beyond our town in Jan/Feb of 07. Scares me a lot

>

> The autoimmune issue you relate is VERY significant!

> <http://groups.

> <http://groups.msn.com/Avoid2-BEforHealth-MM/gulfwarillness.msnw?

action=

> get_message & mview=1 & ID_Message=332 & all_topics=0>

> msn.com/Avoid2-BEforHealth-MM/gulfwarillness.msnw?action=\

> get_message & mview=1 & ID_Message=332 & all_topics=0> I think the

> Presumptive list should be for all military from WWI to the present

> (excluding the real 'Agent-Orange-only' 'for sures')

>

> Hawk asked about Chad Pagel of Indiana. Last I heard he was going

in for

> tumor removal in his nasal passages 8-6-05. I have not heard from

him.

> Since he shared a few months prior that his liver & bone marrow was

> failing <http://home.

<http://home.gci.net/~blessing/pages/finding.htm>

> gci.net/~blessing/pages/finding.htm> and they had

> him on mega drugs ... I'm concerned that he might not be alive.

But I

> don't know that.

>

> He has asked me to look through his medical records and that of his

> buddy who died about Christmas, 04. I believe they would both show

the

> signs of CFIDS - which would be a biormarker

> <http://www.valdezin

<http://www.valdezink.com/pages/flunotflu.htm#is>

> k.com/pages/flunotflu.htm#is> of 2-butoxyethanol

> poisoning <http://www.valdezli

> <http://www.valdezlink.com/pages/doctorssay-theydonotknow.htm>

> nk.com/pages/doctorssay-theydonotknow.htm>

>

> __________________

> 2-butoxyethanol overexposure LOOKS LIKE the FLU

> <http://www.valdezli

<http://www.valdezlink.com/pages/lookslikeflu.htm>

> nk.com/pages/lookslikeflu.htm> Why I think EGBE

> is the WORST chemical for health effects

> <http://www.valdezli <http://www.valdezlink.com/pages/thereare.htm>

> nk.com/pages/thereare.htm>

>

>

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Thanks

Re: Military Need Expanded Presumptive Lists

I just came across this in my inbox, cleaning up older emails... I

also have not been able to track down my medical records either from

the ARPC nor National Personell Center.. I have sent request after

request for the past two yrs and just about 2 months ago the ARPC

notified me that they have found my records and I would have to

submit a request all over again for them? and to be specific in my

request.

I haven't recieved anything as yet?

SNIP