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[Guest guest]

Jimmy,

We know how that feels .. was told Monday that there was a NEW policy in

Norfolk ... funny when we pressed for copies of it .. suddenly it wasn't a

NEW Policy just on the table as some options in the future .. no new policy

yet ..

wondering what we can do here ourselves ...

Lehnanne

> Just wanted to let ya'll know that signed his Article 15 today.

They

> told him that it would be next week before he is informed what his

punishment

> will be. Talk about making a young man sweat something out. It has been

a

> month since he refused the shot and still no closure. Jimmy

>

[Guest guest]

Good Luck Kris. Hopefully they will be a little quicker on their actions

there than at Langley.

[Guest guest]

I'm a SrA at Bolling AFB, DC. On Tuesday (11-30-99) morning, my

superiors informed me that I was selected to replace a coworker

for going to the desert. I was told that I had to be there BY

the 16th of December. When my NCOIC told me, he did try and make

it easier for me. He understands that I've been at Bolling for

less than 6 months, and I sent TDY just about a month after

arriving here for school in Mississippi.

I told him flat out that morning that I didn't want to get the

shot. As soon as I brought that up, he told me that he attempted

to refuse it, but in the end got the shot, and he was part of

that less than .2% who gets an adverse reaction.. and there is

no record of that reaction anywhere in his medical records.

After they told me I had to go, I went online and have been

online since then to research the shot, and everything I found

just confirmed it even more that I didn't want the shot. I made

an appointment with my Area Defense Council to see exactly what

my options are, and then by the end of the day, my superiors

will have my final answer.

Wish me luck!

Kris

--- BAMAFANB4u@... wrote:

Just wanted to let ya'll know that signed his Article 15

today. They told him that it would be next week before he is

informed what his punishment will be. Talk about making a young

man sweat something out. It has been a month since he refused

the shot and still no closure. Jimmy

[Guest guest]

Good luck, Kris. Actually, your superior is not in as a rare of group as he

thinks he is (.2) If you come across any of the studies (Korea or tripler)

you'll see that it's in fact between 45-50% systemic reaction rate. (Double

the rate in women than in men).

<< I told him flat out that morning that I didn't want to get the

shot. As soon as I brought that up, he told me that he attempted

to refuse it, but in the end got the shot, and he was part of

that less than .2% who gets an adverse reaction. >>

[Guest guest]

refused the shot Jan. 29, 1999, his seperation package was denied

April 1, 1999, he was court martialed June 23, 1999, released from the brig

July 17, 1999 and headed home August 13, 1999. I know several who refused

the shot before and are still in limbo in the miitary.

I say all this to say don't gets your hopes up that 's difficulties

will be over real soon. But once he comes home, you will both know he

made the right choice.

Deanna

.

> From: BAMAFANB4u@...

>

> Just wanted to let ya'll know that signed his Article 15 today.

They

> told him that it would be next week before he is informed what his

punishment

> will be. Talk about making a young man sweat something out. It has been

a

> month since he refused the shot and still no closure. Jimmy

>

[Guest guest]

,

You ake a good point. A lot of us have elevated RNASE-L this is all some

of us have to protect us from cancer. Also, 80% of us have genes that have

been chopped up and re-arranged. This is likely our body's way of adapting

to or keeping CFS from killing us. Steve B.

Re: Do apples cause you gas?

>

>

> > Steve,

> >

> > I was doing some thyroid research and stumbled onto much info on how

> > thyroid increases malic enzyme, aka: memalate dehydrogenase. This is

> > the enzyme that catalyzes reversibly the oxidation of malate in the

> > presence of NAD.

> >

> > Anyway, I decided to try thyroid powder for a few weeks and then eat

> > some apples to see if this might reduce the gas. It has worked for

> > one trial so I will proceed with many more trials to see if it will

> > continue to work.

> >

> > What this may suggest is that those with gas from apples (and other

> > fruit) might have a tyroid deficiency. Or, it could suggest thyroid

> > hormone resistance since both low thyroid or resistance to this

> > hormone will reduce memalate dehydrogenase.

> >

> > There is tons of work on this association....can't believe I missed

> > this for so many years.

> >

> > http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?CMD=search & DB=PubMed

> >

> > I wonder if there is a connection between low thyroid and magnesium

> > absorption since it is well known that increasing malic acid will

> > help assimulate this mineral?

> >

> >

> > Dave

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with

each

> other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any

treatment

> discussed here, please consult your doctor.

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 8/31/02 12:42:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

drlaura25@... writes:

> How long did it take you to do that?

>

,

I am taking this journey slow so I don't have to do it again! LOL So far it

has been about a year and a half...but I have had two long (several months)

planned breaks during that time where my goal was to maintain.

Rae

260/169/140-150???

[Guest guest]

I like your idea of planned periods of maintence. I usually called them

plateaus, (and several other words I cant use here).

You sure make it sound more positive then I did.

Jelayne

Re: .

> I am taking this journey slow so I don't have to do it again! LOL So far

it

> has been about a year and a half...but I have had two long (several

months)

> planned breaks during that time where my goal was to maintain.

>

> Rae

> 260/169/140-150???

>

[Guest guest]

Hi there ,

Welcome to the group. My name is . I am from Western Australia. So

you can see we are spread far and wide across the globe.

I had my implant done on the 3rd September this year. Mine was for

damaged nerves to the lower back. All up I have had 6 back surgeries. 3

of them being fusions. I am 45. Married and live on a farm in the south

east of Western Australa.

As for all of your queries, I can only help you with what I know. I have

learnt that they do things differently here in Australia compared to

what the do in the States. Even if I am " Down Under " I hope I can be of

some help until one of the other members can jump in and advise you

probably a little better than I can.

Firstly, I'm so sorry to hear how much trouble you have been through

with all of your complications. It must have been awful to contend with.

We all know here what chronic pain is like to live with. Unless you go

through it yourself, it's something you really can't explain.

I can only say that I have had a great deal of succcess with mine so

far. I am finally getting used to using it alot more effectively with

day to day life than when I first came out of hospital.

>

> 1. How much recovery time is needed after a scs implant with paddles?

You will find this to be about 8 - 12 weeks depending on how well you

heal. Being in the upper region of your neck, I would presume that you

wouldn't be able to do many head movements. They like you to do as

little as possible, this is to make sure that the implant " scars " into

place. This is what helps to hold the leads, paddles and control box

into place.

> 2. Is it really that painful?

Like any surgery, you will find that you have pain from the surgery

itself. I can't really help you with the neck area. My paddles are in

the middle os my shoulder blades with the leads running down to the

control box which is implanted just abour my left hip. (Still painful to

wear jeans for too long at the moment).

> 3. How limited will I be post op and for how long?

8 - 12 weeks.

> 4. Are spinal headaches associated with scs w/ paddles?

I found for the 1st week that I did get some headaches, but that was my

fault because I think I over stimulated myself. I was enjoying the

beauty of having my pain rediced by 50%.

> 5. Do you have to wear a neck brace of any kind?

Sorry I can't help you for this one.

> 6. Is hospitalization a fairly common practice after this type of

surgery?

I'm not sure about the America. I was in hospital for 5 days. This was

due to the fact that I lived 500 km's away and the Dr wanted to make

sure I was all better and coping with the device before I left to come

home,

> 7. How many incisions will there be?

I have 3 Incisions. 1 where the controller is. 1 at the base of the

spine and 1 where the paddles were placed.

> 8. Since they will be placing the paddles in my neck, will they

protrude?

Mine do a litle. But eventually they bond within the framework of your

body and you won't be able to notice them. The body usually encases then

naturally with new tissue fibre.

I do hope that I have been of some assistance for you . Don't

forget to let us know how your progressing. Rest assured, we'll all help

you as much as each of us can.

Warm Cheers