Re: Which Vitamin C??/Reply by Dr.B.

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From: " C.Bormann, N.D.,C.P. " <drcnb@...>

Date sent: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 10:48:43 -0700

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Subject: Re: Re: Which Vitamin C??/Reply by Dr.B.

> Dear Mickey & List: I disagree with the statement that the type of C

> doesn't matter... Chemicall made Ascorbic Acid from glucose is not the

> same as what is found in natuaral matrix.

Hi,

I suddenly realized that people may have completely missed the point as

to why I

said it doesn't matter what type of Vitamin C one takes.

Let me explain. Imagine that you are a non smoker (smoking destroys vitamin C)

and take

1gm of cheap sodium ascorbate every day. Much of that 1gm will not be used by

the body

and will be excreted each day.

Imagine that another person took 1gm of expensive ester C with bioflavinoids,

which is

more bio available due to its natural form. Still this person will excrete much

of the

vitamin C, not due to the fact that it is not absorbed but due to the fact that

it is not

utilized by the body.

Recent evidence which I uncovered, shows that it is COLONY STIMULATING FACTOR

(CSF)

that determines how much Vitamin C that our body uses to make cancer killing

chemicals.

The CSF is made by activated macrophages and not made by normal macrophages.

So normally we dont make much CSF and hence dont utilize much Vitamin C

regardless of

what form it comes in or how bioavailable it is.

Imagine now that you continue to take 1gm cheap sodium ascorbate and also

begin to

take beta glucan. The other person still takes the 1gm of expensive ester C with

bioflavinoids, but does not activate macrophages with beta glucan.

Soon your excrection of vitamin C by the kidneys will diminish and uptake by

the body

through the effect of the CSF, will greatly increase. Perhaps all of the 1gm you

take

will now be utilized by the body, the other person will not change their level

of CSF and

so their kidneys will continue to excrete much of their ester C.

Now you have an advantage using the cheap sodium ascorbate over the person who

takes

expensive ester C with bioflavinoids. Your body is now utilizing more Vitamin C

and

making more cancer killing chemicals from the vitamin C, than the person who

took the

ester C but did not activate their macrophages.

Now if the other person was to activate their macrophages with beta glucan

and also

take expensive ester C with bioflavionoids, then maybe their would then gain a

slight

advantage over you.

So if the macrophages are not activated with beta glucan, then taking

expensive ester

C with bioflavinoids would be a waste of money.

moonbeam

Vitamin C in Nature if found as

> a complex which includes bioflavanoids and vitamin K and minerals like

> selenium I believe. I have patients do 2 things: 1. Purchase Acerola

> Berry 4:1 Concentrate Powder from Starwest Botanicals & encapsulate it in

> -00- caps 2. Use either our buffered effervescent Beet C (Esther-C) or

> Sodium Ascorbate or Lipisomal Beet C 3. Take Wheat Germ daily. There

> seems to be factors in wheat germ (may be in rice germ too), 2 Tbl. Albert

> discovered that it seems to be more effective with the wheat germ (maybe

> because of what we know know about glucans...) that alone... 4. Those

> cancer patients taking my Betacan™ powder, use 3 grams of C complex for

> every 1 gram of Beta...some of them mix it into their cottage

> cheese/yogure/flaxoil 2x/day.

>

> Nobel winner Dr. Albert Szent- Gyorgyi did the landmark work on this, and

> wrote a paper called " Electronics of Biology of Cancer " which shows that

> cancer is a free radical problem at the base...

>

> Here's an excellent book on C from the Vitamin C Foundation--it was

> written by Irving Stone, who worked with both Linus ing and Albert

> Szent-Gyorgyi... NOTE: you have to scroll down the page to read it.

> Whoever put it up obviously didn't have Adobe Acrobat to make it into a

> PDF file...

>

> http://www.vitamincfoundation.org/healing.html

>

> Here'a also some reference links from our website. I have an effervescent

> buffered form of Beet-extracted C (rather than corn) as well as a

> lipisomal C which allows you to get high doses without gastric upset and

> diarrhea, and which we replace I.V. therapy with for patients unable to

> come in for a high-dose C drip... http://www.arrowheadhealthworks.com

>

> http://www.arrowheadhealthworks.com/lipo_C.htm

> http://www.arrowheadhealthworks.com/Hi_Ctx.htm

> http://lpi.orst.edu/new/vitamincancer2.html

>

> Hope it's helpful to Mickey and others...

>

> Dr.Bormann

> ********************

>

> moonbeam@... wrote:

>

> > <cures for cancer >

> > From: " micky " <a..k@...>

> > Date sent: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 09:42:05 -0400

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> > Subject: Which Vitamin C??

> > > Which vitamin C should one take, some posting suggest mega dosage of

> > > vitami= n C (Ascorbic acid) others say High Dose Vitamin C (Natural

> > > Ascorbates, NOT ASCORBIC, which is = toxic)=20 Any advice would be

> > > greatly appreciate. micky

> >

> > Hi,

> > Normally one excretes most of the vitamin C that one takes,

> > soon after one takes

> > it. In such a case it does not matter much what sort of vitamin C one

> > takes as it simply will be quicky excreted by the kidneys from the body.

> > People try and overcome this by taking special forms of slow release

> > vitamin C, but doing this does not help to increase Vitamin C uptake.

> >

> > Yet if one activates the macrophages with beta glucan, then those

> > macrophages will

> > produce Colony Stimulating Factor which then causes the body to uptake

> > and utilise much more vitamin C than one normally would. It causes

> > increased utilisation of vitamin C, regardless of what type of vitamin C

> > is taken.

> > Personally I would take sodium ascorbate, as it is cheap, tastes OK

> > and is

> > bioavailable.

> >

> > Reference 1.

> >

> > Reference 1

> > Blood 1998 Apr 1;91(7):2536-46 Vera JC, Rivas CI, Zhang RH,

> > Colony-stimulating factors signal for increased transport of vitamin C

> > in human host defense cells.

> >

> > moonbeam

> >

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