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Melinda,

Most vaccines that are available are not very good. This is especially true for the autologous vaccines. The best vaccines are those which target very specific tumor markers. There are others from Germany that I like, eg, Pend-Avi which induces a para-immunity.

There are a number of vaccines that are being tested in the US and many of them are quite good. I do not think that they will ever be approved though.

As a rule, no vaccine works very well when the tumor is larger than, say, a small peach. Vaccines can work exceptionally well after chemo/surgery etc. where there is no notable tumor load.

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Hoping that Vince or someone with a good knowledge of vaccines can update us with what's going on in the arena of vaccines for cancer.

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Melinda Wiman

www.cancure.org

Cancer Cure Foundation

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How about the Neo-Springer Vaccine?

What do the vaccines do?

Thanks, Melinda

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Hoping that Vince or someone with a good knowledge of vaccines can update us with what's going on in the arena of vaccines for cancer.

Thanks,

Melinda Wiman

www.cancure.org

Cancer Cure Foundation

Get HUGE info at http://www.cures for cancer.ws, and post your own links there. Unsubscribe by sending email to cures for cancer-unsubscribeegroups or by visiting http://www.bobhurt.com/subunsub.mv

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--- V Gammill <ygammil1@...> wrote:

> Melinda,

> Most vaccines that are available are not very

> good. This is especially true for the autologous

> vaccines. The best vaccines are those which target

> very specific tumor markers. There are others from

> Germany that I like, eg, Pend-Avi which induces a

> para-immunity.

> There are a number of vaccines that are being

> tested in the US and many of them are quite good. I

> do not think that they will ever be approved though.

> As a rule, no vaccine works very well when the

> tumor is larger than, say, a small peach. Vaccines

> can work exceptionally well after chemo/surgery etc.

> where there is no notable tumor load.

>

> Info

>

>

How does this (not very good?) autologous vaccine

compare with your German favorite?

>

>

New treatment in fight against malignant melanoma

 

May 14, 2001

 

by Cherie Bank

 

There's been a major development in the fight against

the

deadliest form of skin cancer. It's happening our

area. NBC10

Medical Reporter Cherie Bank has details. 

PHILADELPHIA - THE TREATMENT is for malignant

melanoma,

the deadliest form of skin cancer.

A doctor in our area has developed a powerful

treatment that is

keeping many cancer patients alive years longer. This

is

something NBC10 has been following for several years.

Now,

the doctor has announced the vaccine is more powerful

than first

thought. It can even treat cancer that has spread to

other organs.

The new cancer treatment is a custom made vaccine

called

" DNP " . It's been used to fight melanoma that has

recurred.

DNP is created from a patient's own cancer cells. The

vaccine

was created by Dr. Berd, an oncologist at

Jefferson University Hospital.

" We obtain tumor tissue from the patient to make an

individual

vaccine for each patient, " Dr. Berd said. " We

chemically

modify

the cells so they are most likely to be recognized as

foreign by

the patient's immune system. That's the way that it

works. "

NBC10 News was there two years ago when a lab to

manufacture the experimental vaccine first opened in

Fairmount.

Many of the first people believed to have survived

because of the

vaccines that were there.

New information has been released showing the therapy

is also

a powerful weapon against melanoma that has spread out

of the

lymph nodes into the lungs and other organs. The five

year cure

rate for melanoma that has spread is usually only 20

percent.

With this vaccine, the cure rate skyrocketed to 55

percent.

Malignant melanoma is the fifth most common cancer in

the

United States. It's the skin cancer that has struck

both former

presidential candidate McCain and Maureen Reagan,

daughter of the former president.

Dr. Berd's treatment appears to give patients like

these a much

better chance at survival.

" We have treated over 200 patients, " he said. " Over 50

percent of

those, a bit over 50 percent of those patients are

alive and well in

five years. That compares to about a 20 percent

survival rate in

patients who receive surgery alone. "

Dr. Berd stresses these findings are positive results,

but

they're

based on only 40 people over three years time. He says

many

more people will use it in the future, and he hopes

longer follow

up studies will produce similar results.

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What I know about vaccins:

Here in The Netherlands in de VU, Amsterdam, a academic hospital they do trials (Phase III, with more than thousand people) with vaccins against coloncancer (stage II), after surgery of the primary tumor. The vaccins are made from the tumorcells from the patient itself. The results from the first studies were very promising as I understood.

Also with Non-Hodgkin some vaccins made with the same procedure do give good results.

Shifra, the girl out of my documentary is refused by the doctors in Houston to get her vaccins made out of her own tumorcells because she isn't long enough in remission. You have to be in remission for at least three months. Shifra last remission period (for the seventh time after the leukemia recurred) was only 8 weeks.

If anyone is interested you can call de VU, Amsterdam: 31204444444 and ask for Dr. van den Eertwegh.

Kees Braam

webmaster www.kanker-actueel.nl

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Hoping that Vince or someone with a good knowledge of vaccines can update us with what's going on in the arena of vaccines for cancer.

Thanks,

Melinda Wiman

www.cancure.org

Cancer Cure Foundation

Get HUGE info at http://www.cures for cancer.ws, and post your own links there. Unsubscribe by sending email to cures for cancer-unsubscribeegroups or by visiting http://www.bobhurt.com/subunsub.mv

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--- V Gammill <ygammil1@...> wrote:

> Melinda,

> Most vaccines that are available are not very

> good. This is especially true for the autologous

> vaccines. The best vaccines are those which target

> very specific tumor markers. There are others from

> Germany that I like, eg, Pend-Avi which induces a

> para-immunity.

> There are a number of vaccines that are being

> tested in the US and many of them are quite good. I

> do not think that they will ever be approved though.

> As a rule, no vaccine works very well when the

> tumor is larger than, say, a small peach. Vaccines

> can work exceptionally well after chemo/surgery etc.

> where there is no notable tumor load.

>

> Info on Vaccines

>

>

> Hoping that Vince or someone with a good knowledge

> of vaccines can update us with what's going on in

> the arena of vaccines for cancer.

>

> Thanks,

> Melinda Wiman

> www.cancure.org

> Cancer Cure Foundation

>

>

If you would, please elaborate on your views on

autologous vaccines as being inferior. I would also

like to know more about the German

vaccine you favor which offers para immunity. How

does it work relative to the regular therapeutic

cancer vaccines which are in development today?

Though I believe there are special interests within

the realm of conventional medicine (oncologists) which

would lobby against the approval of therapeutic cancer

vaccines out of fear of its negative impact on their

net profit per patient, I doubt they can fend off

approval indefinately. If you disagree, please

explain how this may play out --as you see it.

Finally, I am submitting the results of an ASCO study

on an autologous vaccine for your perusal and

comments.

Thank you in advance

postman23_2000

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From: "Melinda Wiman" <wimangte (DOT) net>

Date sent: Tue, 15 May 2001 16:15:48 -0700

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> Hoping that Vince or someone with a good knowledge of vaccines can update

> u= s with what's going on in the arena of vaccines for cancer.

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> Thanks,

> Melinda Wiman

> www.cancure.org

Hi,

There are two types of cancer vaccines; those that are patented and those that are not patented. These two categories of cancer vaccines may then be subdivided according to level of effectiveness and range of cancers treated by the vaccine.

I am unaware of any patented vaccine which is highly effective against a wide range of cancer types.

I am aware of non-patented vaccines which are highly effective against a wide range of cancer types. Such non-patented vaccines include immune systems activators such as beta-glucan, mannin, Spirulina, cooked tomatoes, L- Selenomethionine, green tea, broccoli sprouts (soloraphane).

Actual figures from clinical trials showing effectiveness of these natural cancer vaccines are:

Tomatoes, 50 percent reduction in incidence of cancer.

Selenium, 45 percent reduction in incidence of cancer.

Beta glucan, 100 percent prevention of cancer in animal models.

Tomatoes have been shown to be effective in preventing cancers of the prostate, bladder, cervix, pancreas. Cooked Tomato restores gap-junction communication between cells that is normally lost during the malignant transformation process.

Selenium is taken with vitamin E, beta glucan is taken with vitamin C.

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Can you advise source of your statistics:

Tomatoes, 50 percent reduction in incidence of cancer.Selenium, 45 percent reduction in incidence of cancer.Beta glucan, 100 percent prevention of cancer in animal models.

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Melinda

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<cures for cancer >From: "Melinda Wiman" <wiman@...>Date sent: Tue, 15 May 2001 16:15:48 -0700Send reply to: cures for cancer Subject: Info on Vaccines> ------=_NextPart_000_08C2_01C0DD5A.4D6C1D20> Content-Type: text/plain;> charset="iso-8859-1"> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable> > Hoping that Vince or someone with a good knowledge of vaccines can update> u= s with what's going on in the arena of vaccines for cancer.> > Thanks,> Melinda Wiman> www.cancure.orgHi,There are two types of cancer vaccines; those that are patented and those that are not patented. These two categories of cancer vaccines may then be subdivided according to level of effectiveness and range of cancers treated by the vaccine.I am unaware of any patented vaccine which is highly effective against a wide range of cancer types.I am aware of non-patented vaccines which are highly effective against a wide range of cancer types. Such non-patented vaccines include immune systems activators such as beta-glucan, mannin, Spirulina, cooked tomatoes, L- Selenomethionine, green tea, broccoli sprouts (soloraphane).Actual figures from clinical trials showing effectiveness of these natural cancer vaccines are:Tomatoes, 50 percent reduction in incidence of cancer.Selenium, 45 percent reduction in incidence of cancer.Beta glucan, 100 percent prevention of cancer in animal models.Tomatoes have been shown to be effective in preventing cancers of the prostate, bladder, cervix, pancreas. Cooked Tomato restores gap-junction communication between cells that is normally lost during the malignant transformation process.Selenium is taken with vitamin E, beta glucan is taken with vitamin C.moonbeam

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Moonbeam,

I do disagree with you on the vaccine issue, but I think that the disagreement has more to do with nomenclature and definitions.

Your use of "non-patented vaccines" could more aptly describe cancer prophylaxis through natural means, such as the nutrients that you mentioned.

My use of the term "vaccine" could be called "hair of the dog that bit you" in the sense that a vaccine uses an antigen (similar to those antigens involved in a pathogenic process) to induce an immune response.

The traditional vaccines are prophylactic vaccines and they come in three main varieties:

1) live attenuated microbe

2) dead microbe

3) antigenic subunit

There are many other things that act as adjuvants or can induce a variety of immune responses. They range from alum to dinitrocholobenzene, but they are not true vaccines. They are some of the things that are considered in vaccine design.

As to vaccine effectiveness as a treatment for cancer, they can be very effective. This has nothing to do with the patenting process. There are some excellent vaccines patented and some miserable ones too. What does seem to be a dividing line is the approval process. It is highly unlikely that an effective cancer vaccine (either for prophylaxis or treatment) will ever be approved by the FDA. Such an approval would only come if the major pharmaceutical companies could devise a way to make more money from the vaccines than they can from the current treatments. This is quite unlikely.

As to my own observations of what works for cancer, I would avoid those vaccines that are polyvalent, that is, that shoot for many different targets. Most crudely-made autologous vaccines are polyvalent whether intended or not. Cancer vaccines rarely work if the tumor is larger than a tennis ball. For such a vaccine to work some other method must be found to stop the tumor from growing.

The future of cancer vaccines and of monoclonal antibodies is very bright. Several good ones are available now if you are lucky enough to know a clinician who has access. I would advise against participating in any trial. These are always oriented toward research and never toward the welfare of the patient. Research subjects are simply grist for the mill, or lambs marching off to slaughter. There is nothing noble about being grist or a lamb.

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<cures for cancer >From: "Melinda Wiman" <wiman@...>Date sent: Tue, 15 May 2001 16:15:48 -0700Send reply to: cures for cancer Subject: Info on Vaccines> ------=_NextPart_000_08C2_01C0DD5A.4D6C1D20> Content-Type: text/plain;> charset="iso-8859-1"> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable> > Hoping that Vince or someone with a good knowledge of vaccines can update> u= s with what's going on in the arena of vaccines for cancer.> > Thanks,> Melinda Wiman> www.cancure.orgHi,There are two types of cancer vaccines; those that are patented and those that are not patented. These two categories of cancer vaccines may then be subdivided according to level of effectiveness and range of cancers treated by the vaccine.I am unaware of any patented vaccine which is highly effective against a wide range of cancer types.I am aware of non-patented vaccines which are highly effective against a wide range of cancer types. Such non-patented vaccines include immune systems activators such as beta-glucan, mannin, Spirulina, cooked tomatoes, L- Selenomethionine, green tea, broccoli sprouts (soloraphane).Actual figures from clinical trials showing effectiveness of these natural cancer vaccines are:Tomatoes, 50 percent reduction in incidence of cancer.Selenium, 45 percent reduction in incidence of cancer.Beta glucan, 100 percent prevention of cancer in animal models.Tomatoes have been shown to be effective in preventing cancers of the prostate, bladder, cervix, pancreas. Cooked Tomato restores gap-junction communication between cells that is normally lost during the malignant transformation process.Selenium is taken with vitamin E, beta glucan is taken with vitamin C.moonbeamGet HUGE info at http://www.cures for cancer.ws, and post your own links there. Unsubscribe by sending email to cures for cancer-unsubscribeegroups or by visiting http://www.bobhurt.com/subunsub.mv

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