Guest guest Posted May 15, 2001 Report Share Posted May 15, 2001 Hoping that Vince or someone with a good knowledge of vaccines can update us with what's going on in the arena of vaccines for cancer. Thanks, Melinda Wiman www.cancure.org Cancer Cure Foundation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 15, 2001 Report Share Posted May 15, 2001 Melinda, Most vaccines that are available are not very good. This is especially true for the autologous vaccines. The best vaccines are those which target very specific tumor markers. There are others from Germany that I like, eg, Pend-Avi which induces a para-immunity. There are a number of vaccines that are being tested in the US and many of them are quite good. I do not think that they will ever be approved though. As a rule, no vaccine works very well when the tumor is larger than, say, a small peach. Vaccines can work exceptionally well after chemo/surgery etc. where there is no notable tumor load. Info on Vaccines Hoping that Vince or someone with a good knowledge of vaccines can update us with what's going on in the arena of vaccines for cancer. Thanks, Melinda Wiman www.cancure.org Cancer Cure Foundation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 15, 2001 Report Share Posted May 15, 2001 How about the Neo-Springer Vaccine? What do the vaccines do? Thanks, Melinda Info on Vaccines Hoping that Vince or someone with a good knowledge of vaccines can update us with what's going on in the arena of vaccines for cancer. Thanks, Melinda Wiman www.cancure.org Cancer Cure Foundation Get HUGE info at http://www.cures for cancer.ws, and post your own links there. Unsubscribe by sending email to cures for cancer-unsubscribeegroups or by visiting http://www.bobhurt.com/subunsub.mv Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 16, 2001 Report Share Posted May 16, 2001 --- V Gammill <ygammil1@...> wrote: > Melinda, > Most vaccines that are available are not very > good. This is especially true for the autologous > vaccines. The best vaccines are those which target > very specific tumor markers. There are others from > Germany that I like, eg, Pend-Avi which induces a > para-immunity. > There are a number of vaccines that are being > tested in the US and many of them are quite good. I > do not think that they will ever be approved though. > As a rule, no vaccine works very well when the > tumor is larger than, say, a small peach. Vaccines > can work exceptionally well after chemo/surgery etc. > where there is no notable tumor load. > > Info > > How does this (not very good?) autologous vaccine compare with your German favorite? > > New treatment in fight against malignant melanoma May 14, 2001 by Cherie Bank There's been a major development in the fight against the deadliest form of skin cancer. It's happening our area. NBC10 Medical Reporter Cherie Bank has details. PHILADELPHIA - THE TREATMENT is for malignant melanoma, the deadliest form of skin cancer. A doctor in our area has developed a powerful treatment that is keeping many cancer patients alive years longer. This is something NBC10 has been following for several years. Now, the doctor has announced the vaccine is more powerful than first thought. It can even treat cancer that has spread to other organs. The new cancer treatment is a custom made vaccine called " DNP " . It's been used to fight melanoma that has recurred. DNP is created from a patient's own cancer cells. The vaccine was created by Dr. Berd, an oncologist at Jefferson University Hospital. " We obtain tumor tissue from the patient to make an individual vaccine for each patient, " Dr. Berd said. " We chemically modify the cells so they are most likely to be recognized as foreign by the patient's immune system. That's the way that it works. " NBC10 News was there two years ago when a lab to manufacture the experimental vaccine first opened in Fairmount. Many of the first people believed to have survived because of the vaccines that were there. New information has been released showing the therapy is also a powerful weapon against melanoma that has spread out of the lymph nodes into the lungs and other organs. The five year cure rate for melanoma that has spread is usually only 20 percent. With this vaccine, the cure rate skyrocketed to 55 percent. Malignant melanoma is the fifth most common cancer in the United States. It's the skin cancer that has struck both former presidential candidate McCain and Maureen Reagan, daughter of the former president. Dr. Berd's treatment appears to give patients like these a much better chance at survival. " We have treated over 200 patients, " he said. " Over 50 percent of those, a bit over 50 percent of those patients are alive and well in five years. That compares to about a 20 percent survival rate in patients who receive surgery alone. " Dr. Berd stresses these findings are positive results, but they're based on only 40 people over three years time. He says many more people will use it in the future, and he hopes longer follow up studies will produce similar results. -------------------------------------------------- ---------------------- * More Local News Stories * Take a look at our 5 Day Forecast * Back to NBC10.COM Message 107 of 107 | Previous | Next [ Up Thread ] Message Index Msg # Go Reply | Forward | View Source | Unwrap Lines | Delete ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Copyright © 2001 All rights reserved. Privacy Policy - Terms of Service - Guidelines - Help __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 16, 2001 Report Share Posted May 16, 2001 What I know about vaccins: Here in The Netherlands in de VU, Amsterdam, a academic hospital they do trials (Phase III, with more than thousand people) with vaccins against coloncancer (stage II), after surgery of the primary tumor. The vaccins are made from the tumorcells from the patient itself. The results from the first studies were very promising as I understood. Also with Non-Hodgkin some vaccins made with the same procedure do give good results. Shifra, the girl out of my documentary is refused by the doctors in Houston to get her vaccins made out of her own tumorcells because she isn't long enough in remission. You have to be in remission for at least three months. Shifra last remission period (for the seventh time after the leukemia recurred) was only 8 weeks. If anyone is interested you can call de VU, Amsterdam: 31204444444 and ask for Dr. van den Eertwegh. Kees Braam webmaster www.kanker-actueel.nl Info on Vaccines Hoping that Vince or someone with a good knowledge of vaccines can update us with what's going on in the arena of vaccines for cancer. Thanks, Melinda Wiman www.cancure.org Cancer Cure Foundation Get HUGE info at http://www.cures for cancer.ws, and post your own links there. Unsubscribe by sending email to cures for cancer-unsubscribeegroups or by visiting http://www.bobhurt.com/subunsub.mv Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 16, 2001 Report Share Posted May 16, 2001 --- V Gammill <ygammil1@...> wrote: > Melinda, > Most vaccines that are available are not very > good. This is especially true for the autologous > vaccines. The best vaccines are those which target > very specific tumor markers. There are others from > Germany that I like, eg, Pend-Avi which induces a > para-immunity. > There are a number of vaccines that are being > tested in the US and many of them are quite good. I > do not think that they will ever be approved though. > As a rule, no vaccine works very well when the > tumor is larger than, say, a small peach. Vaccines > can work exceptionally well after chemo/surgery etc. > where there is no notable tumor load. > > Info on Vaccines > > > Hoping that Vince or someone with a good knowledge > of vaccines can update us with what's going on in > the arena of vaccines for cancer. > > Thanks, > Melinda Wiman > www.cancure.org > Cancer Cure Foundation > > If you would, please elaborate on your views on autologous vaccines as being inferior. I would also like to know more about the German vaccine you favor which offers para immunity. How does it work relative to the regular therapeutic cancer vaccines which are in development today? Though I believe there are special interests within the realm of conventional medicine (oncologists) which would lobby against the approval of therapeutic cancer vaccines out of fear of its negative impact on their net profit per patient, I doubt they can fend off approval indefinately. If you disagree, please explain how this may play out --as you see it. Finally, I am submitting the results of an ASCO study on an autologous vaccine for your perusal and comments. Thank you in advance postman23_2000 __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2001 Report Share Posted May 17, 2001 <cures for cancer > From: "Melinda Wiman" <wimangte (DOT) net> Date sent: Tue, 15 May 2001 16:15:48 -0700 Send reply to: cures for cancer Subject: Info on Vaccines > ------=_NextPart_000_08C2_01C0DD5A.4D6C1D20 > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > Hoping that Vince or someone with a good knowledge of vaccines can update > u= s with what's going on in the arena of vaccines for cancer. > > Thanks, > Melinda Wiman > www.cancure.org Hi, There are two types of cancer vaccines; those that are patented and those that are not patented. These two categories of cancer vaccines may then be subdivided according to level of effectiveness and range of cancers treated by the vaccine. I am unaware of any patented vaccine which is highly effective against a wide range of cancer types. I am aware of non-patented vaccines which are highly effective against a wide range of cancer types. Such non-patented vaccines include immune systems activators such as beta-glucan, mannin, Spirulina, cooked tomatoes, L- Selenomethionine, green tea, broccoli sprouts (soloraphane). Actual figures from clinical trials showing effectiveness of these natural cancer vaccines are: Tomatoes, 50 percent reduction in incidence of cancer. Selenium, 45 percent reduction in incidence of cancer. Beta glucan, 100 percent prevention of cancer in animal models. Tomatoes have been shown to be effective in preventing cancers of the prostate, bladder, cervix, pancreas. Cooked Tomato restores gap-junction communication between cells that is normally lost during the malignant transformation process. Selenium is taken with vitamin E, beta glucan is taken with vitamin C. moonbeam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 23, 2001 Report Share Posted May 23, 2001 Can you advise source of your statistics: Tomatoes, 50 percent reduction in incidence of cancer.Selenium, 45 percent reduction in incidence of cancer.Beta glucan, 100 percent prevention of cancer in animal models. Thanks, Melinda Re:Info on Vaccines <cures for cancer >From: "Melinda Wiman" <wiman@...>Date sent: Tue, 15 May 2001 16:15:48 -0700Send reply to: cures for cancer Subject: Info on Vaccines> ------=_NextPart_000_08C2_01C0DD5A.4D6C1D20> Content-Type: text/plain;> charset="iso-8859-1"> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable> > Hoping that Vince or someone with a good knowledge of vaccines can update> u= s with what's going on in the arena of vaccines for cancer.> > Thanks,> Melinda Wiman> www.cancure.orgHi,There are two types of cancer vaccines; those that are patented and those that are not patented. These two categories of cancer vaccines may then be subdivided according to level of effectiveness and range of cancers treated by the vaccine.I am unaware of any patented vaccine which is highly effective against a wide range of cancer types.I am aware of non-patented vaccines which are highly effective against a wide range of cancer types. Such non-patented vaccines include immune systems activators such as beta-glucan, mannin, Spirulina, cooked tomatoes, L- Selenomethionine, green tea, broccoli sprouts (soloraphane).Actual figures from clinical trials showing effectiveness of these natural cancer vaccines are:Tomatoes, 50 percent reduction in incidence of cancer.Selenium, 45 percent reduction in incidence of cancer.Beta glucan, 100 percent prevention of cancer in animal models.Tomatoes have been shown to be effective in preventing cancers of the prostate, bladder, cervix, pancreas. Cooked Tomato restores gap-junction communication between cells that is normally lost during the malignant transformation process.Selenium is taken with vitamin E, beta glucan is taken with vitamin C.moonbeam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 24, 2001 Report Share Posted May 24, 2001 Moonbeam, I do disagree with you on the vaccine issue, but I think that the disagreement has more to do with nomenclature and definitions. Your use of "non-patented vaccines" could more aptly describe cancer prophylaxis through natural means, such as the nutrients that you mentioned. My use of the term "vaccine" could be called "hair of the dog that bit you" in the sense that a vaccine uses an antigen (similar to those antigens involved in a pathogenic process) to induce an immune response. The traditional vaccines are prophylactic vaccines and they come in three main varieties: 1) live attenuated microbe 2) dead microbe 3) antigenic subunit There are many other things that act as adjuvants or can induce a variety of immune responses. They range from alum to dinitrocholobenzene, but they are not true vaccines. They are some of the things that are considered in vaccine design. As to vaccine effectiveness as a treatment for cancer, they can be very effective. This has nothing to do with the patenting process. There are some excellent vaccines patented and some miserable ones too. What does seem to be a dividing line is the approval process. It is highly unlikely that an effective cancer vaccine (either for prophylaxis or treatment) will ever be approved by the FDA. Such an approval would only come if the major pharmaceutical companies could devise a way to make more money from the vaccines than they can from the current treatments. This is quite unlikely. As to my own observations of what works for cancer, I would avoid those vaccines that are polyvalent, that is, that shoot for many different targets. Most crudely-made autologous vaccines are polyvalent whether intended or not. Cancer vaccines rarely work if the tumor is larger than a tennis ball. For such a vaccine to work some other method must be found to stop the tumor from growing. The future of cancer vaccines and of monoclonal antibodies is very bright. Several good ones are available now if you are lucky enough to know a clinician who has access. I would advise against participating in any trial. These are always oriented toward research and never toward the welfare of the patient. Research subjects are simply grist for the mill, or lambs marching off to slaughter. There is nothing noble about being grist or a lamb. Re:Info on Vaccines <cures for cancer >From: "Melinda Wiman" <wiman@...>Date sent: Tue, 15 May 2001 16:15:48 -0700Send reply to: cures for cancer Subject: Info on Vaccines> ------=_NextPart_000_08C2_01C0DD5A.4D6C1D20> Content-Type: text/plain;> charset="iso-8859-1"> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable> > Hoping that Vince or someone with a good knowledge of vaccines can update> u= s with what's going on in the arena of vaccines for cancer.> > Thanks,> Melinda Wiman> www.cancure.orgHi,There are two types of cancer vaccines; those that are patented and those that are not patented. These two categories of cancer vaccines may then be subdivided according to level of effectiveness and range of cancers treated by the vaccine.I am unaware of any patented vaccine which is highly effective against a wide range of cancer types.I am aware of non-patented vaccines which are highly effective against a wide range of cancer types. Such non-patented vaccines include immune systems activators such as beta-glucan, mannin, Spirulina, cooked tomatoes, L- Selenomethionine, green tea, broccoli sprouts (soloraphane).Actual figures from clinical trials showing effectiveness of these natural cancer vaccines are:Tomatoes, 50 percent reduction in incidence of cancer.Selenium, 45 percent reduction in incidence of cancer.Beta glucan, 100 percent prevention of cancer in animal models.Tomatoes have been shown to be effective in preventing cancers of the prostate, bladder, cervix, pancreas. Cooked Tomato restores gap-junction communication between cells that is normally lost during the malignant transformation process.Selenium is taken with vitamin E, beta glucan is taken with vitamin C.moonbeamGet HUGE info at http://www.cures for cancer.ws, and post your own links there. Unsubscribe by sending email to cures for cancer-unsubscribeegroups or by visiting http://www.bobhurt.com/subunsub.mv Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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