Guest guest Posted January 16, 2001 Report Share Posted January 16, 2001 I'd like to make a comparison of the effectiveness of two Coriolus Versicolor derived polysaccharides against cancer. Here as some facts I have gathered so far in my research : 1) PSP and PSK are the 2 products of Yun Zhi ( Chinese name for the mushroom, Coriolus Versicolor) ratified by Chinese Ministry of Public Health and Japanese Ministry of Public Health respectively. 2) PSK was first manufactured by Kureha Chemical Industry Co. Ltd ( A Japanese Company). The PS in PSK represents polysaccharide and K represents the first alphabet of the name of this Company. It was originally written as PS-K and was later changed to PSK. The commercial name of the product is Krestin. Hence, the K in PSK can stand for either Kuhera ( the Company) , or Krestin ( the product name ). 3) PSP was prepared by Professor Qing-yao Yang. It is like PSK and is also a kind of compound polysaccharide. On the molecules of the polysaccharide, the small molecular protein (polypeptide) is connected. So it is called Yun Zhi Duo Tang Tai or Yun Zhi Tang Tai. The Tang Tai English names were originally glycopeptide, proteoglucan, glycosaminoglucan, etc. But the polysaccharide is all composed of N-acetyl-amino-hexose. But the polysaccharides of PSP and PSK are not composed of N-acetylamino-hexose. So it is not suitable to use the name. So the word " polysaccharopeptide " or " polysaccharide- peptide " is used and is abbreviated as PSP or PS-P. According to the different degrees of extraction, there are a series of PSP products. PSP directly extracted from the mycelia of Yun Zhi is called Yun Zhi Polysaccharide-peptide (Trade mark Qing Kang) and PSP polysacchardie-peptide (Landford). The former is sold on the market of Mainland China and the latter is according to the export specifications and is sold overseas. These 2 products are mainly used for cancer patients. 4) Though PSP and PSK are all a kind of protein bound polysaccharide and are all extracted from the deep layer cultivated mycelia, yet they use the different strains, fermented medium and different extracted methods. Thus there is a certain difference between PSP and PSK. 5) It is known that in the polysaccharide of PSP there is fucose, while there is no fucose in PSP, which contains arabinose and rhamnose; while there are no such ingredients in PSK. On the other hand, according to the pharmacological and clinical research, PSP has the definite effect of alleviating pain and increasing appetite, while there is no such report on PSK. BUT ENOUGH OF THE TALK ALREADY. THE NEXT QUESTION IS, WHICH OF THESE TWO POLYSACCHARIDES HAVE BEEN PROVEN TO BE MORE EFFECTIVE AGAINST CANCER FOR HUMANS ? 6) According to T. F. Liu and W.C. Xue of the Department of Radiation Oncology of the Cancer Hospital in Shanghai Medical University, " Laboratory data, as well as both in vitro and in vivo experiments have shown that PSP is more active than PSK. " I must emphasize that any anti-cancer agent, no matter if the action is direct or indirect, must all undergo clinical trials to prove their value. It is well known that many drugs have been found to be very effective at the experimental level in animals, but when applied to human beings, due to unacceptable toxicity at effective doses, there was only limited practical value. HENCE, WE SHOULD ALL BE LESS IMPRESSED WITH SOMETHING THAT WORKS IN-VITRO and even IN-VIVO ON ANIMALS BUT HAVE HAD FEW TESTS ON HUMANS. So, what I have I found out so far in the literature ? 7) IN REGARDS TO SAFETY, Just as with PSK, basic investigations of PSP regarding toxicities and pharmacological activities have shown that by oral administration, no disturbances of peripheral blood picture, bone marrow, gastrointestinal tract, liver and kidney functions have been found so far. Marked effect has been demonstrated in animal experimental tumors. In the Cancer Hospital of the Shanghai Medical University, Dr. Xue et al have treated 151 cases of various kinds of cancer, such as esophagus, lung, mediastinum, etc. First of all, two very important clinical aspects of PSP have been shown in the course of treatment of these cases. No drug toxicity has appeared clinically, and there has been noticeable, sometimes remarkable anti-cancer effect. 8) IN REGARDS TO EFFICACY ON HUMAN CANCERS, PSK Seems to have had MORE TESTS RESULTS ON HUMANS THAN PSP ( I am willing to be corrected if mistaken, but the medical literature seems to have borne this out so far ). PSK's efficacy on human cancers have been studied extensively in Japan. For example --- A) On A randomized controlled clinical trial of 185 patients with non- small cell lung cancers, Stages I-III ( 5 year study ) The study found that " 5 year survival rate of the patients who received PSK with stages I and II disease, as well as stage III was 39% and 22% respectively, compared with the non-administered groups of 16% and 5%. These differences are statistically significant. Stage III patients using PSK with radiation had a better survival rate than stage I patients treated with radiation alone " . ( See Hayakawa K, Mitsuhasi N. et. al. " Effect of Krestin (PSK ) as Adjuvant Therapy on the progonosis after radical radiotherapy in patients with non-small cell lung cancer " , Anticancer Research 13:1815-1820 ( 1993 ) ) A Randomized Controlled Clinical Trial of 262 Patients after Curative Gastrectomy ( 5 year study ), published in LANCET JOURNAL, found the survival rate of the group using PSK with chemotherapy to be 73% after 5 years ( See Nakazato H. Koike, A. et. al, " EFFICACY OF IMMUNOCHEMOTHERAPY AS ADJUVANT TREATMENT AFTER CURATIVE RESECTION OF GASTRIC CANCER " , LANCET, 343:1122-1126 ( 1994 ) C) Randomized Controlled Clinical Trial of 110 patients After Curative Surgery for Colorectal Cancer -- 10 year study found that the survival rate of the PSK group was more than doubled over the control group ( those who did not take PSK ). ( See Torisu M, Hayashi Y. et. al., " Significant Prolongation of Disease-Free period gained by oral polysacharide K ( PSK ) administration after curative surgical operation of colorectal cancer. Cancer Immunology Immunotherapy 31:261-268 ( 1990 ) I WOULD LIKE YOU TO NOTE THAT : A) THE CLINICAL TRIALS ON PSK's efficacy were made on HUMANS and REAL FOLLOW UP WAS DONE OVER A LONG TERM ( 5 year and 10 year ) PERIOD. PSK's efficacy was assessed as ADJUVANT to Chemo, Radiation or Surgery. NO STUDY HAS BEEN MADE ON PSK USE BY ITSELF APART FROM THESE 3 standard cancer treatment. Therefore, WE DO NOT KNOW HOW THE PATIENTS WOULD HAVE FARED HAD THEY USED PSK ALONE !!! Any studies or anecdotal evidence would be welcome in this forum. 9) Now, here is the claim I cannot verify --- The website, refers to : http://www.psp.bc.ca/Cancer-and-ulcers/SPCV.htm makes a remarkable claim : IT WAS FOUND THAT THE ANTI-TUMOR EFFECT OF PSP WAS MORE POTENT THAN THAT OF PSK !!! For this, they refer to a paper which I cannot get my hands on ( and I'd be glad if someone can get them to me for my edification ). Here is the refered to study : Li X.M. and L.Z. Xu, " A STUDY OF ANTI-CANCEREFFECTS OF PSP AND PSK ON HUMAN TUMOR CELLS IN VITRO " Acta Academia Medica, Shanghai, 14:23-24 ( 1987 ) Note however, the words --- IN VITRO. This means that this claim has not been tested ON HUMANS. So I would suggest that we take this claim with caution. The only real tests on humans I have found to be published is a paper published by T.F. Liu and W.c. Xue of the Dept. of Radiation Oncology Cancer Hospital, Shanghai Medical University The title of their paper : CLINICAL IMPLICATIONS OF PSP IN ONCOLOGY Here are their conclusions : 1. The use of PSP as the main therapeutical agent, especially in late cases of cancer. The experience in Shanghai has shown that PSP may be unexpectedly effective in apparently hopeless cases, as evidenced by the results obtained for Ming Wei Fang, Fu Luncai, etc. In our Department of Radiation Oncology, we have treated 4 cases of lung carcinoma with PSP, and found that growth of tumor, as shown by consecutive X-ray films, was stabilized as compared to 5 other cases without PSP treatment. 2. The use of PSP in combination with radiotherapy. In the literature of Krestin, it was found that it increased the effectiveness of radiation on the Sarcoma 180 in mice. We thought that it might be the same in human patients. It is well known that whenever a drug is used in combination with other agents such as radiation or cytotoxic agents, there is always the question as to how it will interact with them, whether the effects will be additive or synergistic, and most important of all, whether there will be a gain in therapeutic ratio. A gain in therapeutic ratio means that the effect on cancer tissue is markedly more than that on normal tissue. The contrary would make the drug useless for clinical purposes. Due to the almost non-existent toxicity of PSP, we decided the use of PSP at least would not interfere with the radiation treatment. 41 cases of esophageal carcinoma were treated with a combination of PSP and radiation. The results have been very encouraging, as shown by the paper on these cases reported by Xue et al. 3. The use of PSP in combination with chemotherapy. The experience with PSK in experimental chemotherapy has shown that PSK was able to enhance the effects of the chemotherapeutic agents. Naturally, PSP would have probably an even better effect theroetically, but clinical trials are needed to see if the toxic effects of the classical anti- cancer drugs can be decreased while enhancing their therapeutic effectiveness on the cancer cells in human beings. 4. The use of PSP as a therapy adjvant to other methods of cancer treatment. As is well known, radiation and chemotherapy both affect the leucocytes markedly, as well as the general condition of the patients. Quite often, radiotherapy or chemotherapy has had to be interrupted or discontinued due to such reactions. Very encouragingly, PSP has been shown to be of notable value in this respect. The experience of the Changzhou Municipal Hospital of Chinese Medicine has shown that PSP is effective in maintaining or even raising the WBC in 6 cases of advanced cancer treated by chemotherapy. The WBC had dropped to below 4000. PSP was able to raise them all to above 4000, in one case even to above 7000. In all the cases, the general condition was improved when PSP was given. So, what do we have for PSP ? A) No Long term human survival data compared to PSK. We have words like " encouraging results " , " White Blood cecll counts virtually doubled " , etc. ( but what does these mean ? Did the patient live long term ? Isn't this the bottom line for readers of this thread ?). Again, PSP was studied IN CONJUNCTION with Chemo or Radiation. I have yet to see a study on its USE ALONE. I THEREFORE CONCLUDE THAT PSK has had more CLINICAL STUDIES ON HUMANS THAN PSP and all claims to PSP being more effective than PSK should be seen in the perspective of IN-VITRO or IN-VIVO Studies ( but no comparative study on humans ). 10) Finally, the ALL-IMPORTANT QUESTION, Given the fact that PSK and PSP can help cancer patients in their fight for survival and quality of life, WHAT IS THE BEST SOURCE FOR EITHER ONE ? Here in the USA, PSK is being distributed ( they say it is imported from Japan ) by JHS Natural Products in Eugene Oregon. In Canada, A certain Dr. Chien seems to be providing a PSP-2 ( he says it is the MOST POTENT OF ITS KIND, see http://www,psp.bc.ca ). Question : ANYONE OUT THERE KNOW IF THEY ARE REPUTABLE SOURCES ? I started the discussion rolling. 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