Re: Re: Idiots On-Line UnLimited....

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From the very beginning of this thread I honestly don't get you. Why would you think it was okay to drag Tony into sarcasm for Immunocal? Did Tom purchase if from Tony? If he did, did he speak with Tony? And if not did he speak with the company? None of this was addressed, instead your choice sarcasm directed at Tony. The company does have a policy in place but I don't think I need to discuss it with you. That isn't the point, you didn't check out or offer any facts, just the sarcasm.

In a earlier post I addressed you over the fact that for months you keep talking about this being a cure for cancer. And I kept telling you it is only food for glutathione and well you don't believe the rest, so my point is this, Tony's post says this, NOT ONLY HAS REFERENCES TO CANCER BUT SHOWS OUR METHOD OF USE PATENT(S) FOR TREATMENT OF CANCER. No where does he mention a cure for cancer.

Also he does say a money back guarantee, but with out all the facts you have tainted the truth.

And the truth is in an earlier post, Quote, unquote further down this email.

I really don't understand what you are trying to prove, like it or not glutathione is in all of our cells, and it needs its nourishment. Immunocal is proven to do just that.

Debbie

Idiots On-Line UnLimited....

, What kind of Quackwatch Crap is this???? I am not even on the cancer "cure" egroup and you want to drag my name through the mud?!?!?!? Why don't you get a real life instead of living in a closet typing away on a dusty old keyboard making up stories about your prosecuter wife and other related stories?!?!? Money back guarantee on cancer....where the hell are you coming from? I'd really like to know......the Truth always lights the way.....not bullXXXX. Wake up ...

Tony

P.S. My name is NOT Tony Lebec!!!!! At least get your fxxxxxxx facts straight!!

> Tom,> Did you check Tony Lebec's Immunocal web site? He offers a moneyback> guarantee for cancer. Please report to the group any difficulty ingetting> your refund.> Get HUGE info at http://www.cures for cancer.ws, and post your own links there. Unsubscribe by sending email to cures for cancer-unsubscribeegroups or by visiting http://www.bobhurt.com/subunsub.mv

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In a message dated 08/28/2000 10:53:28 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

ygammil1@... writes:

<<

My point here is simple. You claim that Immunocal is not a cure for

cancer, but you do your marketing to cancer patients on the Cancercure list.

You ignore evidence that although there is no question that glutathione is

needed for the healthy body, a drop in glutathione may be what the body is

doing to better fight cancer. This seems to be >>

,

Can you explain to me what Immunocal is, and how it works on the immune

system. You say when one has cancer, they try to do the opposite, by taking

out the gultathione., And Immunotec in trying to get you to put it

back.............Who Then is correct, you or immunotec Corp.

Mike

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Debbie,

My point here is simple. You claim that Immunocal is not a cure for cancer, but you do your marketing to cancer patients on the Cancercure list. You ignore evidence that although there is no question that glutathione is needed for the healthy body, a drop in glutathione may be what the body is doing to better fight cancer. This seems to be borne out in all the current attempts in research to use BSO to kill cancer. BSO has but one goal--to stop glutathione production.

When confronted with this you come back with some contorted logic that increasing the production of glutathione causes glutathione to drop in cancer cells.

Debbie, I would drop all my complaints about the twisted chemistry and claims of Immunocal if there was any kind of pattern of clinical results. There is none.

Flax seed oil on the hand is equally handicapped. The chemistry and the understanding of the biochemical mechanisms is very poor. The difference is that flax seed oil has proven itself over and over as being effective against many cancers. It is dirt cheap even when buying it at full retail. In our polluted world I think people are foolish not to take it.

Idiots On-Line UnLimited....

, What kind of Quackwatch Crap is this???? I am not even on the cancer "cure" egroup and you want to drag my name through the mud?!?!?!? Why don't you get a real life instead of living in a closet typing away on a dusty old keyboard making up stories about your prosecuter wife and other related stories?!?!? Money back guarantee on cancer....where the hell are you coming from? I'd really like to know......the Truth always lights the way.....not bullXXXX. Wake up ...

Tony

P.S. My name is NOT Tony Lebec!!!!! At least get your fxxxxxxx facts straight!!

> Tom,> Did you check Tony Lebec's Immunocal web site? He offers a moneyback> guarantee for cancer. Please report to the group any difficulty ingetting> your refund.> Get HUGE info at http://www.cures for cancer.ws, and post your own links there. Unsubscribe by sending email to cures for cancer-unsubscribeegroups or by visiting http://www.bobhurt.com/subunsub.mv Get HUGE info at http://www.cures for cancer.ws, and post your own links there. Unsubscribe by sending email to cures for cancer-unsubscribeegroups or by visiting http://www.bobhurt.com/subunsub.mv

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In a message dated 08/28/2000 4:05:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

ygammil1@... writes:

<< One needs to always dig deep to find the products that consistantly

work. Immunocal is just unpasteurized dried whey that could be loaded with

many pathogens and you'd never know it. >>

OK

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Mike,

The biochemistry of the human body is enormously complex. There are

many redundant systems to safeguard other systems. There are thousands of

homeostatic mechanisms to avoid overkill of any system. It is complex

enough that physiologists and biochemists are constantly arguing over the

significance of various observations. Theories are a dime a dozen. If a

particular chemical in the body is high or low, it is not always easy to

determine whether the change is part of the problem or part of the solution.

This is a reason that there is are so many contrary recommendations in

medicine and why so often opinions change radically with additional

research.

When one is in a race against the clock it would be stupid to start

spending your money on the fanciest theory or the slickest talking

salesperson with the most sincere testimonials. You have seen faith

healings on TV. Do you think all those people who have thrown away their

crutches will never need another crutch now that they have found Jesus?

One needs to always dig deep to find the products that consistantly

work. Immunocal is just unpasteurized dried whey that could be loaded with

many pathogens and you'd never know it.

Re: Re: Idiots On-Line UnLimited....

> In a message dated 08/28/2000 10:53:28 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

> ygammil1@... writes:

>

> <<

> My point here is simple. You claim that Immunocal is not a cure for

> cancer, but you do your marketing to cancer patients on the Cancercure

list.

> You ignore evidence that although there is no question that glutathione is

> needed for the healthy body, a drop in glutathione may be what the body is

> doing to better fight cancer. This seems to be >>

> ,

>

> Can you explain to me what Immunocal is, and how it works on the immune

> system. You say when one has cancer, they try to do the opposite, by

taking

> out the gultathione., And Immunotec in trying to get you to put it

> back.............Who Then is correct, you or immunotec Corp.

>

> Mike

>

>

> Get HUGE info at http://www.cures for cancer.ws, and post your own links there.

Unsubscribe by sending email to cures for cancer-unsubscribeegroups or by

visiting http://www.bobhurt.com/subunsub.mv

>

>

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Idiots On-Line UnLimited....

, What kind of Quackwatch Crap is this???? I am not even on the cancer "cure" egroup and you want to drag my name through the mud?!?!?!? Why don't you get a real life instead of living in a closet typing away on a dusty old keyboard making up stories about your prosecuter wife and other related stories?!?!? Money back guarantee on cancer....where the hell are you coming from? I'd really like to know......the Truth always lights the way.....not bullXXXX. Wake up ...

Tony

P.S. My name is NOT Tony Lebec!!!!! At least get your fxxxxxxx facts straight!!

> Tom,> Did you check Tony Lebec's Immunocal web site? He offers a moneyback> guarantee for cancer. Please report to the group any difficulty ingetting> your refund.> Get HUGE info at http://www.cures for cancer.ws, and post your own links there. Unsubscribe by sending email to cures for cancer-unsubscribeegroups or by visiting http://www.bobhurt.com/subunsub.mv Get HUGE info at http://www.cures for cancer.ws, and post your own links there. Unsubscribe by sending email to cures for cancer-unsubscribeegroups or by visiting http://www.bobhurt.com/subunsub.mv Get HUGE info at http://www.cures for cancer.ws, and post your own links there. Unsubscribe by sending email to cures for cancer-unsubscribeegroups or by visiting http://www.bobhurt.com/subunsub.mv

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Mike

This is one man's opinion and it isn't even a good one. Oh sure it sounds

intelligent enough to us non medical and normal Joe's. But the it certainly

isn't all of the truth.

Immunocal did not get its method of use patents over night as has been

suggested before. These patents are not a dime a dozen. And to date

Immunocal has eight method of use patents. Three are for the prevention and

the use of those fighting cancer. The first one given for Cancer was by the

Australian government, the second was given by the USA and this year Canada

has issued one. These patents also did not get given out at the same time.

There is a time span where each time they had to prove themselves and

Immunocal's ability to raise glutathione, and in the case of cancer not only

protect against, but help those fighting cancer.

As to the dairy. It is a co-op of farmers that raise the dairy cows that

supply the milk to make the whey protein. These farmers have a deal. If one

of them gives their cows antibiotics and it is found when they test the

milk, everyone's milk gets dumped that day. And the farmer is not only

kicked out of the co-op but he also has to pay all the other farmers for

what they lost when it was dumped. He is then kicked out of the co-op. If a

farmer gives his cows growth bovine hormone he will cause his cows to have

mastitis, if this happens he is forced to give his cow's antibiotics. And

this is tested for always at the dairy lab where Immunocal is processed.

Also I would like to say that this place is employed me medical and

technical folks, who know what they are doing in the process of making

Immunocal. Also the FDA is very much on the backs of this product. It is

discovered by a doctor who is today very much involved in the process of

making Immunocal as well as involved in all areas of continued research.

Immunocal is pharmaceutically graded and packaged.

Also the folks that are involved in this product on the business side of

things, are gentlemen that have succeeded in other area of business in their

lives. Contrary to belief they are not going to let a law suit or two or

three as suggested shut them down. There will be no law suit, check out for

yourself the caliber of people involved with Dr. Bounous and you will see

that any such claims are not possibly founded. Again the opinion and only

the opinion of one man. Talk to the company and you will see that, that is

exactly what is happening here. One man is saying and accusing a Dr. a

company and anyone involved of fraud and law suits.

Just for the record I would like to say. That Dr. Bounous was fifty years

old when he first began research on Immunocal. And continued to do so for

another eighteen years before he was able to release it to the public. I

can't possibly side with , on something he seems to know nothing

about. But Dr. Bounous who has done over twenty years of research, does know

the truth, and I will listen to him anyday.

My suggestion to all of you, is get his book, read for yourself and come to

your own conclusion. Don't let what I say for or says against be

your only guide. If all this has confused you then by all means get his

book, from the Library if you must, and form your own opinion on the

research you do. Our live's depend on the wellness of our cells. And the

more we know about how this works the better off we would all be.

Dr. Bounous book is called Breakthrough In Cell Defense co-wrote with Dr.

Allan Somersall. It tells Dr. Bounous story, his research and on-going

research. Don't take my word for it, and certainly don't take s, read

what Dr. Bounous has to say. And then you can take the intelligence God gave

you and decide what is right and what is wrong for you. Never ever in my

life will I believe that beating any disease has nothing to do with the

immune system. Our immune systems are about us being diseased. Control and

nourish one and you will not have the other. But do nothing about correcting

or addressing your immune system and you leave your body open to all kinds

of disease and illness, cancer is just one of them.

Debbie

Debbie

Re: Re: Idiots On-Line UnLimited....

>

>

> > In a message dated 08/28/2000 10:53:28 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

> > ygammil1@... writes:

> >

> > <<

> > My point here is simple. You claim that Immunocal is not a cure

for

> > cancer, but you do your marketing to cancer patients on the Cancercure

> list.

> > You ignore evidence that although there is no question that glutathione

is

> > needed for the healthy body, a drop in glutathione may be what the body

is

> > doing to better fight cancer. This seems to be >>

> > ,

> >

> > Can you explain to me what Immunocal is, and how it works on the immune

> > system. You say when one has cancer, they try to do the opposite, by

> taking

> > out the gultathione., And Immunotec in trying to get you to put it

> > back.............Who Then is correct, you or immunotec Corp.

> >

> > Mike

> >

> >

> > Get HUGE info at http://www.cures for cancer.ws, and post your own links

there.

> Unsubscribe by sending email to cures for cancer-unsubscribeegroups or by

> visiting http://www.bobhurt.com/subunsub.mv

> >

> >

>

>

>

> Get HUGE info at http://www.cures for cancer.ws, and post your own links there.

Unsubscribe by sending email to cures for cancer-unsubscribeegroups or by

visiting http://www.bobhurt.com/subunsub.mv

>

>

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List,

Have you heard it said that you can find anything in the Bible? I have seen some pretty crazy people trying to justify crazier behaviors by what they find in the Old Testiment. Even slavery is justified.

It is the same with research. You can "prove" anything you want in the literature. I can tell one thing though that you can take to the bank: the deeper you dig when researching anything, the more complex it becomes, and answers to your questions become far more tentative. Learn the science. It may be necessary to read thousands of papers to become somewhat informed. Never trust a salesperson's presentation of science.

Patents are all self-serving. If there is really something to the research the inventor often tries to hide it within the patent. If the patent is to be used as a marketing tool then it is typically padded with specious research.

Can I tell you by looking in the literature and at the patents that glutathione or its precursors will or will not help fight cancer? The answer is no. This is a little surprising as there has been much research on glutathione. I would expect there to be something more definitive. The direction for much of the most recent research is that of finding ways to lower glutathione in fighting cancer. No legitimate research team that is using BSO to reduce glutathione would consider using Immunocal to try to reduce glutathione in cancer. They would be laughed off the stage.

Why am I against Immunocal?

(1) It is because the company has grossly exaggerated and twisted the research.

(2) It is because they charge far too much money for unpasteurized milk whey.

(3) It is because they target cancer patients who can rarely afford to be wrong.

(4) It is because there is no way to keep pathogens out of unpasteurized milk.

(5) It is because they don't even test for the presence of the many bovine viruses.

(6) It is because they are two-faced about making cancer claims.

(8) It is because they are duplicitous about their guarantees.

(7) It is because I suspected that it may be making some cancers worse.

(8) It is because I have not seen a single person reduce their cancer with Immunocal.

(9) It is because they structure their marketing on how much money you can make by convincing others of the miracle of unpasteurized powdered milk.

(10) It is because they have sold millions of dollars of Immunocal, they have access to all the information on the types of cancer for which it has been taken, and they avoid these real-world results like plague.

Debbie you will notice that I have not said one word of criticism that it is an MLM. Lastly, if I had cancer there is no way in hell I'd put that stuff in my mouth. I don't care how much they paid me. I guess this means you'll have to tell your company that you've detected a little sales resistance here.

Sincerely,

Debbie wrote:

MikeThis is one man's opinion and it isn't even a good one. Oh sure it soundsintelligent enough to us non medical and normal Joe's. But the it certainlyisn't all of the truth.Immunocal did not get its method of use patents over night as has beensuggested before. These patents are not a dime a dozen. And to dateImmunocal has eight method of use patents. Three are for the prevention andthe use of those fighting cancer. The first one given for Cancer was by theAustralian government, the second was given by the USA and this year Canadahas issued one. These patents also did not get given out at the same time.There is a time span where each time they had to prove themselves andImmunocal's ability to raise glutathione, and in the case of cancer not onlyprotect against, but help those fighting cancer.As to the dairy. It is a co-op of farmers that raise the dairy cows thatsupply the milk to make the whey protein. These farmers have a deal. If oneof them gives their cows antibiotics and it is found when they test themilk, everyone's milk gets dumped that day. And the farmer is not onlykicked out of the co-op but he also has to pay all the other farmers forwhat they lost when it was dumped. He is then kicked out of the co-op. If afarmer gives his cows growth bovine hormone he will cause his cows to havemastitis, if this happens he is forced to give his cow's antibiotics. Andthis is tested for always at the dairy lab where Immunocal is processed.Also I would like to say that this place is employed me medical andtechnical folks, who know what they are doing in the process of makingImmunocal. Also the FDA is very much on the backs of this product. It isdiscovered by a doctor who is today very much involved in the process ofmaking Immunocal as well as involved in all areas of continued research.Immunocal is pharmaceutically graded and packaged.Also the folks that are involved in this product on the business side ofthings, are gentlemen that have succeeded in other area of business in theirlives. Contrary to belief they are not going to let a law suit or two orthree as suggested shut them down. There will be no law suit, check out foryourself the caliber of people involved with Dr. Bounous and you will seethat any such claims are not possibly founded. Again the opinion and onlythe opinion of one man. Talk to the company and you will see that, that isexactly what is happening here. One man is saying and accusing a Dr. acompany and anyone involved of fraud and law suits.Just for the record I would like to say. That Dr. Bounous was fifty yearsold when he first began research on Immunocal. And continued to do so foranother eighteen years before he was able to release it to the public. Ican't possibly side with , on something he seems to know nothingabout. But Dr. Bounous who has done over twenty years of research, does knowthe truth, and I will listen to him anyday.My suggestion to all of you, is get his book, read for yourself and come toyour own conclusion. Don't let what I say for or says against beyour only guide. If all this has confused you then by all means get hisbook, from the Library if you must, and form your own opinion on theresearch you do. Our live's depend on the wellness of our cells. And themore we know about how this works the better off we would all be.Dr. Bounous book is called Breakthrough In Cell Defense co-wrote with Dr.Allan Somersall. It tells Dr. Bounous story, his research and on-goingresearch. Don't take my word for it, and certainly don't take s, readwhat Dr. Bounous has to say. And then you can take the intelligence God gaveyou and decide what is right and what is wrong for you. Never ever in mylife will I believe that beating any disease has nothing to do with theimmune system. Our immune systems are about us being diseased. Control andnourish one and you will not have the other. But do nothing about correctingor addressing your immune system and you leave your body open to all kindsof disease and illness, cancer is just one of them.DebbieDebbie Re: Re: Idiots On-Line UnLimited....>>> > In a message dated 08/28/2000 10:53:28 AM Eastern Daylight Time,> > ygammil1@... writes:> >> > <<> > My point here is simple. You claim that Immunocal is not a curefor> > cancer, but you do your marketing to cancer patients on the Cancercure> list.> > You ignore evidence that although there is no question that glutathioneis> > needed for the healthy body, a drop in glutathione may be what the bodyis> > doing to better fight cancer. This seems to be >>> > ,> >> > Can you explain to me what Immunocal is, and how it works on the immune> > system. You say when one has cancer, they try to do the opposite, by> taking> > out the gultathione., And Immunotec in trying to get you to put it> > back.............Who Then is correct, you or immunotec Corp.> >> > Mike> >