Guest guest Posted December 1, 1999 Report Share Posted December 1, 1999 Hi! Michele I really don't where to start I am so amazed!! So lets begin yesterday! whoops!! try a week ago when I was diagnosed with breast cancer... I have travelled a million miles in that week a journey I wouldn't like to take again..Back to yesterday I found by accident cures for cancer etc and registered... This morning I clicked my e-mail and ( I'm still reeling from shock 39 messages!! can you believe 39 MESSAGES of pure " BS " I signed on for HELP and SUPPORT not to listen to a lot of immature people WRANGLING!!!! I read about 6 and wiped out the rest.. Why! am replying to your message???? I'm an EX MLM'er and have the greatest respect for the most misunderstood industry.... Can you understand how shocked I was? Wonder how many messages I'll need to cancel out tomorrow unread.. that is if I can't find a way to get off this timewasting list.. How many genuine people have ever seen the following site......drday.com All I can say is it has turned my life around.. I live in Australia and if YOU care to reply I'd like that... Have a great day.. . On Wed, 01 Dec 1999 12:08:19 -0500, Webster wrote: > <taking a deep breath before beginnining? > > I can't figure out when people are joshing or serious on this list. > > Does everyone understand that cynicism is a disease, and that sarcasm > literally means tearing flesh from bone? > > ok, about MLM (BORING, I know....) > > 1. MLM businesses have saved LOTS of lives who would otherwise NEVER have > know about how to be well, through their MASS education(and not all of it > good info, granted) > 2. MLM business form important lobbying groups which have been significant > in their " get out the vote " efforts to keep various supplements available > on the market (of course to protect their $$) to the benefit of the end > consumers, not all in the companies downlines, I may add. > 3. Various natural health education companies and schools have been > actively training natural health professionals all over the country, who... > at the grass roots level, have made available products that otherwise would > never have reached YOU/ME/my grandmother/auntie mae. > 4. Many " top shelf " nutrition products are not available to the average > JOE who does not own a health food store, and can afford to buy bulk. MLM > has ERASED this barrier in access to nutrition. So, if you want to BLAME > anyone for MLM, blame the direct sales nutrition companies, that have > denied consumers access to quality nutrition. > 5. MLM offers availability of product regardless of geographic preferences > and availability. > 6. MLM does offer some people, not all, the OPPORTUNITY for building a new > life and income base. I personally know hundreds of people who fall into > this catagory who are fully supported by MLM companies, and act as natural > health MISSIONARIES to the public. Like little ants on the dead carcass of > decaying humanity, these little parasitic ants go around returning the dead > animal to nature and restoring what's left to health. > > You can say what you will about MLM, but you can never deny it's effect and > power in changing our buying habits, local economies, and lives. > > Millions of people participate in MLM hoping to get a shot at the big time, > and with devotion and many hours of self-sacrifice, these well-meaning > (albeit, somewhat undereducated..... BUT WHO'S FAULT IS THAT??????????????) > parasitic ants of MLM go door to door delivering freedom from pain, and > another " piece of the puzzle " of health to their neighbor. They improve > the quality of life, and the POSSIBILITY of freedom from a sad and pitiful > death, of many who they are able to " Scam " or " PLY WITH THEIR WARES " . > > And so what? > > For a measley $10 profit on a bottle of herbs? > > Many of these MLM endure the ridicule of their friends and family for > years, while the ones who have been touched by them move on to other > products(usually provided by a trusty medical doctor, who scoffs at their > untrained natural health competition), without so much as a thank you or > how-do-you-do, never seeing the sacrifice and hours spent in preparation to > sell and deliver their MLM wares to them. > > Many of these MLMers so improve their lives and health, that they continue > on in their education, becoming certified in nutrition, iridology, > chiropractic, etc.... having a continued impact on the metamorphosis of > our societies " consciousness " about healing and true health. > > So, spend your time if you must about the EVILS of MLM, but count me out. > I think that your angst is poorly placed, having misunderstood the nature > of the enemy, you attack the hand that feeds you. > > In the case of whey (GEEZ, is this ever going to be over??), who cares if > you pay more for the product through MLM? Is it a good product? WHY NOT > REWARD THE MESSENGER OF GOOD HEALTH WITH A LITTLE EXTRA CASH IN HIS POCKET, > SO HE CAN CONTINUE TO FEED HIS OWN FAMILY. HE EDUCATED YOU, THEN YOU GO > SOMEWHERE ELSE TO GET YOUR PRODUCT? > > This is not how small towns thrive. Small towns DEPEND on the patronage of > their townsmen, who (YES) pay a few extra cents on the dollar to shop 5 > minutes from home, rather than make 45 min drives into town. > > MLM operates the very same way. But we are fickle consumers, and resent > having to pay extra for the EDUCATION, that we would have NEVER EVER HAD, > had it not been for DIGUSTO MLM WORKER ANT, who happened across his path. > > That horrendous MLM ant, scourge of society, who drives around without car > insurance to keep his webmaster on the job developing his website, and > denies his children time playing soccer at the local field because he has > " contacts " and " leads " to follow up on. Into the wee hours of the night, > he works stuffing envelopes with prospecting letters likely to be thrown > out unopened, in the hopes of capturing just 2% of them in a brief > conversation, so he can GIVE AWAY A SAMPLE of his own inventory as a > premium and show of his generosity. > > Instead of vacations, he attends lectures, local classes and the company's > conventions in order to meet more like-minded worker ants, who have devoted > their lives to the cause of natural health. At these conventions they are > instructed where to find particularly juicy and dead carcasses that are > worthy of their efforts. Provided with scripts and a newly found " joy " in > " sharing " the good news of product ABC WHEY DELIGHT, they set off to get > their first 10 no's out of the way, so they can seriously being recruiting > auto-ship distributors. > > Somewhere along the way, their own health declines as they neglect > themselves in their enthusiasm. For the first rule in MLM is to be using > your own product, but they can't afford to buy more inventory, until they > sell what they already have. So, they hold a public meeting, and offer > one-time discounts, etc, etc, etc...... > > AND THE TRUTH IS..... > > every single one of us owe a deep debt of thanks to companies like AMWAY, > SHAKLEE, Nature's Sunshine, etc. For the work that they've done in > educating us on how to be free and take care of ourselves. > > You can BET that your family physician's medical association has never > encouraged you to be well. > > Always be well, (WHATEVER THE COST..... does it really matter in the end?) > > > > At 11:07 AM 12/1/99 EST, you wrote: > >I am trying to see the world from the perspective of an MLMer. > >This is what I have come up with. > > > >I want to give and receive love. > >My intentions are good. > >Life is a struggle, especially when it comes to paying my bills. > >But I hate getting a real job where I will have to work every day being > >exposed to the viscious minds of my co-workers. > >The people at XYZ company have a mission statement to save the world. > >I want to save the world. > >The people at XYZ company say if I join them I will help save the world > and I > >will be rich beyond my dreams! > >This is a dream come true! > >This is heaven on earth! > >I will pray to God to give me the strength to tell as many people as > possible > >about the XYZ company, their miracle product, and the wonderful genius saint > >who will save all our sorry asses! > >Dr Dan > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >Visit http://cures for cancer.evangelist.net for cancer info or to unsubscribe > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >-- 20 megs of disk space in your group's Document Vault > >-- docvault/cures for cancer/?m=1 > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Visit http://cures for cancer.evangelist.net for cancer info or to unsubscribe > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > -- Check out your group's private Chat room > -- ChatPage?listName=cures for cancer & m=1 > > ________________________________________________________________ Get FREE voicemail, fax and email at http://voicemail.excite.com Talk online at http://voicechat.excite.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 1999 Report Share Posted December 1, 1999 Congratulations! You have just been suckered into the cures for cancer maze - never to see freedom again. I JUST figured out how to unsubscribe. Good luck there as well. Took several days to figure " Mr. Cynical Bob's " re-tard way of the computer world. You will find sincere people, but way too unorganized and way too much information that doesn't pertain to your particular situation. My mother was diagnosed with Bile Duct Cancer about two weeks ago - I have traveled those millions of miles as well - NOT to ever want to experience again. This is a rare cancer with very low cure rate. She is only 63. I hope the best for your future. They have made incredible strides with Breast Cancer (my cousin just had a double Mass.) you have a bright future. Do not lose hope because you have SO much there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 1999 Report Share Posted December 1, 1999 : What a great letter. I am going through what you went through for the past 7 years. I entered this site about 6 months ago in hopes that I could get new info. and support from people who are using alternative therapies. In the beginning it was very informative and I did find some new info. however, the past month and half it seems like everyone is arguing more than supporting one another. Everyone should have an opinion but to argue over products is ridiculous. We should all be here together, supporting and ex- changing info. Each person should be gathering the info. and researching it the way they see fit. As far as who has better info. or products; you go with the info. you receive and feel most com- fortable with. Everyone should be open to anything and everything learning as much as possible. Who is to say what is right or wrong. I am sorry to hear about your mom and hope I don't have to face it for a long time coming. Every day I search for something new and hope the Lord will guide me as he has so far. God Bless. >From: Webster <michelle@...> >Reply-cures for canceregroups >cures for canceregroups >Subject: Re: DISBELIEF!!!!!! >Date: Wed, 01 Dec 1999 22:52:12 -0500 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >From cures for cancer-return-3951-kargio1 Wed Dec 01 19:53:28 1999 >Received: from [207.138.41.182] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id >MHotMailBA0F36460087D820F3DECF8A29B6047723; Wed Dec 01 19:45:26 1999 >X-eGroups-Return: >cures for cancer-return-3951-kargio1=hotmail.comreturns (DOT) >Received: from [10.1.2.42] by fi. with NNFMP; 02 Dec 1999 >03:42:44 -0000 >Received: (listserv 1.289); by a2; 02 Dec 1999 03:42:36 -0000 >Delivered-listsaver-egroups-cures for canceregroups >Received: (qmail 24591 invoked from network); 2 Dec 1999 03:42:33 -0000 >Received: from duchess.squonk.net (HELO mailhost.squonk.net) >(204.141.184.22) by qg. with SMTP; 2 Dec 1999 03:42:33 -0000 >Received: from squonk.net.squonk.net (dialup-082.squonk.net >[204.141.185.82]) by mailhost.squonk.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id >WAA07753 for <cures for canceregroups>; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 22:42:27 -0500 (EST) >Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19991201225212.00c5f384@...> >X-Sender: ancient@... >X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) >In-Reply-<944087904.23556.342@...> >Mailing-List: contact cures for cancer-owneregroups >X-Mailing-List: cures for canceregroups >Precedence: bulk >List-Help: <cures for cancer/info.html>, ><mailto:cures for cancer-helpegroups> >List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:cures for cancer-unsubscribeegroups> >List-Archive: <cures for cancer/> > ><< attach1 >> ______________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 1999 Report Share Posted December 1, 1999 , My mother died on Nov 8th of breast cancer. She had it, and 4 other cancers over the last 7 years during her "treatment". I watched as she nearly died in ICU, from a colon rupture, due to bowel motility problems related to her treatment that simply being hydrated and a little more magnesium would have solved. But my mother was so "toxic" from 7 years of "treatment" that she could barely think, much less remember when her last bowel movement was. As a naturopath, I had to stand by and watch her make HER decisions for treatment. I watched her nearly die from dehydration and kidney failure (her urine was COMPLETELY BLACK) in ICU, due to their "treatment". Dear , had I not summoned the on call MD to increase her IV push, which they had "planned to do in the AM", just 8 hours away, we may have lost my mother in May and not in November. Barely saved from death, 4 days later, we saw her begin to choke on her own phlem within 4 hours of being put on a soy lipid IV. The next morning, I asked to speak to the dietician in charge of ordering her "nutrition". I asked for her nutrition to be changed from the soy formula, and again, I was told, "we were considering doing that". I proceeded to instruct the dietician that I would like it done immediately, as soy is more mucous forming than dairy, and that mucous is an invitation for toxins to accumulate in the body. In the case of my mother, her eliminative organs were already nearly stopped from her "treatment". I was GRILLED about my education, occupation, and my sources. Astounded, I just replied, "it's commonly known in most nutrition schools". Incidentally, the nutrition that replaced the soy formula was HARDLY ever used according to the nursing staff, and they asked me how I got them to change it. My reply was that I just asked. That seemed extraordinary to them. My concerns are that if so called medical professionals are ignorant of commonly understood principles of nutrition, are we recieving the best in medical care? No, I say not. And my mother definitely got the best "knife" in the hospital, but almost died of dehydration in recovery, and was pulling the feeding tubes out of her nose because she couldn't clear her throat, and was CHOKING on her mucous. , I'll try to be gentle, but in truth, the outrage is still in me. After watching the last 7 years of "treatment", I know what I will NEVER EVER DO. I'd watch Dr. Day's every video, attend classes to teach me how to breath properly (which I'm doing), and avoid orthodoxy with a passion. I'd seek out Dr. Gaynor, MD, author of Sounds of Healing, for my oncology work-ups, attend his guided imagery sessions. Incorporated the use of the SE-5 phsychotronic device, get readjusted chiropractically, get touched, massaged, bath naked daily, parasite cleanse, build the body up with enzymes, proper foods (that's a big list of to-dos), use flower remedies, fly to Australia and get some color therapy from the worlds leading color therapists. Oh gee, there's lost more that I'd do, and am doing. I would further NOT spend any time in discussion groups that did not have educated and experienced alternative health care physicians. I'd seek out ACAM doctors, and get about 10 different opinions and accept none that didn't all add up, or seemed vague. , I've been lurking here for the last 3 months or so, and have had enough too. Maybe all of us need to just stand up and say ENOUGH. I'll say this. There is no healing in contention. I have a list, that I moderate, for the last 3 years, we have an "ad day" just once a month. It works for us. We don't solicite on the list, but come for info. Perhaps this list needs to limit the flow of commercial solicitations in the same way. Truthfully, I don't really care, one way or the other. I'm content to glean through all of it. in listening to everyone, I"m learning powerful lessons in how people think, and communicate. EVERY SINGLE communication is valuable, and speaks to the level of experience, maturity and healing power of each person. I can say that I have GROWN in my ability to communicate my thoughts if nothing else, by sitting in these forums. Sometimes silently, and sometimes with outrage. I will say this again, tho, if I've not said it clearly enough yet...... NO ONE has the right to censor anyone's communication, limit it possibly within agreeable constraints. But we are all in "process", and should be each allowed the space to explore that process and experience. This is still America. Let's try to keep some of our freedoms that we still have left. God speed your discovery in health, . This is your journey of self discovery. In all all that my mother went though during her decline, she became one of the finest women that I have ever been priviledged to meet. Her cancer was one of the most incredible growth processes I have ever personally witnessed. Had I never been a part of it, I would have ridiculed the concept that my mother "needed" the cancer for her personal growth. Why is it we can only grow and mature in the face of our deepest pains, bodily threats and injuries? That is the mystery of the ages. In all, God knows exactly what our needs are, and can abundantly supply them in HIS time. My mother is healed now, and free. Be blessed and always be well, PS. The parasite needs the host for survival, and so does the host need the parasite to digest it's decay and return it back to it's rightful place in nature, dust. No man is an island, and can rest or breath without affecting another man. The same air that Jesus himself breathed, we breath now. We are all connected. Like it or not, we are bound to each other. At 02:38 PM 12/1/99 PST, you wrote: >Hi! Michele > >I really don't where to start I am so amazed!! > >So lets begin yesterday! whoops!! try a week ago >when I was diagnosed with breast cancer... I have travelled >a million >miles in that week a journey I wouldn't like >to take again..Back to yesterday I found by accident >cures for cancer etc and registered... > >This morning I clicked my e-mail and ( I'm still reeling from shock >39 messages!! can you believe 39 MESSAGES of pure "BS" >I signed on for HELP and SUPPORT not to listen >to a lot of immature people WRANGLING!!!! > >I read about 6 and wiped out the rest.. Why! am >replying to your message???? I'm an EX MLM'er and >have the greatest respect for the most misunderstood >industry.... Can you understand how shocked I was? Wonder how many messages >I'll need to cancel out tomorrow unread.. that is if I can't find a way to >get off >this timewasting list.. How many genuine people >have ever seen the following site......drday.com All >I can say is it has turned my life around.. >I live in Australia and if YOU care to reply I'd like that... > >Have a great day.. > >. On Wed, 01 Dec 1999 12:08:19 -0500, Webster wrote: >> <taking a deep breath before beginnining? >> >> I can't figure out when people are joshing or serious on this list. >> >> Does everyone understand that cynicism is a disease, and that sarcasm >> literally means tearing flesh from bone? >> >> ok, about MLM (BORING, I know....) >> >> 1. MLM businesses have saved LOTS of lives who would otherwise NEVER >have >> know about how to be well, through their MASS education(and not all of it >> good info, granted) >> 2. MLM business form important lobbying groups which have been >significant >> in their "get out the vote" efforts to keep various supplements available >> on the market (of course to protect their $$) to the benefit of the end >> consumers, not all in the companies downlines, I may add. >> 3. Various natural health education companies and schools have been >> actively training natural health professionals all over the country, >who... >> at the grass roots level, have made available products that otherwise >would >> never have reached YOU/ME/my grandmother/auntie mae. >> 4. Many "top shelf" nutrition products are not available to the average >> JOE who does not own a health food store, and can afford to buy bulk. >MLM >> has ERASED this barrier in access to nutrition. So, if you want to BLAME >> anyone for MLM, blame the direct sales nutrition companies, that have >> denied consumers access to quality nutrition. >> 5. MLM offers availability of product regardless of geographic >preferences >> and availability. >> 6. MLM does offer some people, not all, the OPPORTUNITY for building a >new >> life and income base. I personally know hundreds of people who fall into >> this catagory who are fully supported by MLM companies, and act as >natural >> health MISSIONARIES to the public. Like little ants on the dead carcass >of >> decaying humanity, these little parasitic ants go around returning the >dead >> animal to nature and restoring what's left to health. >> >> You can say what you will about MLM, but you can never deny it's effect >and >> power in changing our buying habits, local economies, and lives. >> >> Millions of people participate in MLM hoping to get a shot at the big >time, >> and with devotion and many hours of self-sacrifice, these well-meaning >> (albeit, somewhat undereducated..... BUT WHO'S FAULT IS >THAT??????????????) >> parasitic ants of MLM go door to door delivering freedom from pain, and >> another "piece of the puzzle" of health to their neighbor. They improve >> the quality of life, and the POSSIBILITY of freedom from a sad and >pitiful >> death, of many who they are able to "Scam" or "PLY WITH THEIR WARES". >> >> And so what? >> >> For a measley $10 profit on a bottle of herbs? >> >> Many of these MLM endure the ridicule of their friends and family for >> years, while the ones who have been touched by them move on to other >> products(usually provided by a trusty medical doctor, who scoffs at their >> untrained natural health competition), without so much as a thank you or >> how-do-you-do, never seeing the sacrifice and hours spent in preparation >to >> sell and deliver their MLM wares to them. >> >> Many of these MLMers so improve their lives and health, that they >continue >> on in their education, becoming certified in nutrition, iridology, >> chiropractic, etc.... having a continued impact on the metamorphosis of >> our societies "consciousness" about healing and true health. >> >> So, spend your time if you must about the EVILS of MLM, but count me out. >> I think that your angst is poorly placed, having misunderstood the nature >> of the enemy, you attack the hand that feeds you. >> >> In the case of whey (GEEZ, is this ever going to be over??), who cares if >> you pay more for the product through MLM? Is it a good product? WHY NOT >> REWARD THE MESSENGER OF GOOD HEALTH WITH A LITTLE EXTRA CASH IN HIS >POCKET, >> SO HE CAN CONTINUE TO FEED HIS OWN FAMILY. HE EDUCATED YOU, THEN YOU GO >> SOMEWHERE ELSE TO GET YOUR PRODUCT? >> >> This is not how small towns thrive. Small towns DEPEND on the patronage >of >> their townsmen, who (YES) pay a few extra cents on the dollar to shop 5 >> minutes from home, rather than make 45 min drives into town. >> >> MLM operates the very same way. But we are fickle consumers, and resent >> having to pay extra for the EDUCATION, that we would have NEVER EVER HAD, >> had it not been for DIGUSTO MLM WORKER ANT, who happened across his path. >> >> That horrendous MLM ant, scourge of society, who drives around without >car >> insurance to keep his webmaster on the job developing his website, and >> denies his children time playing soccer at the local field because he has >> "contacts" and "leads" to follow up on. Into the wee hours of the night, >> he works stuffing envelopes with prospecting letters likely to be thrown >> out unopened, in the hopes of capturing just 2% of them in a brief >> conversation, so he can GIVE AWAY A SAMPLE of his own inventory as a >> premium and show of his generosity. >> >> Instead of vacations, he attends lectures, local classes and the >company's >> conventions in order to meet more like-minded worker ants, who have >devoted >> their lives to the cause of natural health. At these conventions they >are >> instructed where to find particularly juicy and dead carcasses that are >> worthy of their efforts. Provided with scripts and a newly found "joy" >in >> "sharing" the good news of product ABC WHEY DELIGHT, they set off to get >> their first 10 no's out of the way, so they can seriously being >recruiting >> auto-ship distributors. >> >> Somewhere along the way, their own health declines as they neglect >> themselves in their enthusiasm. For the first rule in MLM is to be >using >> your own product, but they can't afford to buy more inventory, until they >> sell what they already have. So, they hold a public meeting, and offer >> one-time discounts, etc, etc, etc...... >> >> AND THE TRUTH IS..... >> >> every single one of us owe a deep debt of thanks to companies like AMWAY, >> SHAKLEE, Nature's Sunshine, etc. For the work that they've done in >> educating us on how to be free and take care of ourselves. >> >> You can BET that your family physician's medical association has never >> encouraged you to be well. >> >> Always be well, (WHATEVER THE COST..... does it really matter in the >end?) >> >> >> >> At 11:07 AM 12/1/99 EST, you wrote: >> >I am trying to see the world from the perspective of an MLMer. >> >This is what I have come up with. >> > >> >I want to give and receive love. >> >My intentions are good. >> >Life is a struggle, especially when it comes to paying my bills. >> >But I hate getting a real job where I will have to work every day being >> >exposed to the viscious minds of my co-workers. >> >The people at XYZ company have a mission statement to save the world. >> >I want to save the world. >> >The people at XYZ company say if I join them I will help save the world >> and I >> >will be rich beyond my dreams! >> >This is a dream come true! >> >This is heaven on earth! >> >I will pray to God to give me the strength to tell as many people as >> possible >> >about the XYZ company, their miracle product, and the wonderful genius >saint >> >who will save all our sorry asses! >> >Dr Dan >> > >> >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >Visit http://cures for cancer.evangelist.net for cancer info or to unsubscribe >> > >> >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >-- 20 megs of disk space in your group's Document Vault >> >-- docvault/cures for cancer/?m=1 >> > >> > >> > >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Visit http://cures for cancer.evangelist.net for cancer info or to unsubscribe >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> -- Check out your group's private Chat room >> -- ChatPage?listName=cures for cancer & m=1 >> >> > > > > >________________________________________________________________ >Get FREE voicemail, fax and email at http://voicemail.excite.com >Talk online at http://voicechat.excite.com > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Visit http://cures for cancer.evangelist.net for cancer info or to unsubscribe > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >-- Check out your group's private Chat room >-- ChatPage?listName=cures for cancer & m=1 > > > http://www.cehcenter.com mailto:4u2bwholecehcenter +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ I have learnt silence from the talkative, toleration from the intolerant, and kindness from the unkind; yet strange, I am ungrateful to these teachers. --Khalil Gibran (1883-1931) +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 1999 Report Share Posted December 1, 1999 , You are 7 years ahead of the game. The world is a vastly different place than it was 7 years ago. Also, you have the odds on your side, and it sounds like, big spiritual guidance. We'll pray for you. Be blessed, and be well, At 08:46 PM 12/1/99 PST, you wrote: >: What a great letter. I am going through what you went >through for the past 7 years. I entered this site about 6 months >ago in hopes that I could get new info. and support from people who >are using alternative therapies. In the beginning it was very >informative and I did find some new info. however, the past month >and half it seems like everyone is arguing more than supporting one >another. Everyone should have an opinion but to argue over products >is ridiculous. We should all be here together, supporting and ex- >changing info. Each person should be gathering the info. and researching it >the way they see fit. As far as who has better info. >or products; you go with the info. you receive and feel most com- >fortable with. Everyone should be open to anything and everything >learning as much as possible. Who is to say what is right or wrong. >I am sorry to hear about your mom and hope I don't have to face it >for a long time coming. Every day I search for something new and >hope the Lord will guide me as he has so far. God Bless. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 1999 Report Share Posted December 1, 1999 Hi , I agree with you that recently there has been a lot of non-productive email from the pro and con MLM folks, who are passionate in their beliefs and have points to make on each side of the argument. There are many silent members who have been in your situation and have much to offer from their experience. I'm sure if you give it a chance you will learn much and have access to sites and links that you may not have found on your own searches. You might get some additional ideas about alternatives from my story at: http://essiac-info.org/Bob.html and my links page at http://essiac-info.org/Boblinks.html will lead you to many other sites for cancer info. Good luck to you in your battle with cancer. Bob Karjala Fearnall wrote: I really don't where to start I am so amazed!! So lets begin yesterday! whoops!! try a week ago when I was diagnosed with breast cancer... I have travelled a million miles in that week a journey I wouldn't like to take again..Back to yesterday I found by accident cures for cancer etc and registered... This morning I clicked my e-mail and ( I'm still reeling from shock 39 messages!! can you believe 39 MESSAGES of pure "BS" I signed on for HELP and SUPPORT not to listen to a lot of immature people WRANGLING!!!! I read about 6 and wiped out the rest.. Why! am replying to your message???? I'm an EX MLM'er and have the greatest respect for the most misunderstood industry.... Can you understand how shocked I was? Wonder how many messages I'll need to cancel out tomorrow unread.. that is if I can't find a way to get off this timewasting list.. How many genuine people have ever seen the following site......drday.com All I can say is it has turned my life around.. I live in Australia and if YOU care to reply I'd like that... Have a great day.. -- Bob Karjala My Cure from Stage IV Lung Cancer http://www.essiac-info.org/Bob.html mailto:bobk20@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 2, 1999 Report Share Posted December 2, 1999 Great message. Hope everyone pays attention. Re: DISBELIEF!!!!!! >, > >You are 7 years ahead of the game. The world is a vastly different place >than it was 7 years ago. Also, you have the odds on your side, and it >sounds like, big spiritual guidance. We'll pray for you. > > >Be blessed, and be well, > > > >At 08:46 PM 12/1/99 PST, you wrote: >>: What a great letter. I am going through what you went >>through for the past 7 years. I entered this site about 6 months >>ago in hopes that I could get new info. and support from people who >>are using alternative therapies. In the beginning it was very >>informative and I did find some new info. however, the past month >>and half it seems like everyone is arguing more than supporting one >>another. Everyone should have an opinion but to argue over products >>is ridiculous. We should all be here together, supporting and ex- >>changing info. Each person should be gathering the info. and researching it >>the way they see fit. As far as who has better info. >>or products; you go with the info. you receive and feel most com- >>fortable with. Everyone should be open to anything and everything >>learning as much as possible. Who is to say what is right or wrong. >>I am sorry to hear about your mom and hope I don't have to face it >>for a long time coming. Every day I search for something new and >>hope the Lord will guide me as he has so far. God Bless. >> > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Visit http://cures for cancer.evangelist.net for cancer info or to unsubscribe > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >-- 20 megs of disk space in your group's Document Vault >-- docvault/cures for cancer/?m=1 > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 2, 1999 Report Share Posted December 2, 1999 HelloCarol, hope this finds you better today.In less pain and etc.This fellow Karjala was listed along with the 5th and cheapest source of Essiac on the list forwarded to you yesterday. " Native Herbs by the pound from Mother Earth Herbs " . He is often on the Cancer cure egroup discussions and at his site he tells his story " MY Cure from Stage IV Lung Cancer " . There has been a bunch of postering and argueing over people profiting off MultiLevelMarketing, and all of us are sick of it at this site, but SOME good stuff gets thru. Hopefully we can bring you back to health after your devastating relapse of Non Hodkins Lynphoma. I could fuss at you for discontining your 'cure programs' after you were pronounced cured last year, but I cant say anything you have not said to yourself. Thank God you do WANT to BE Well. That is half the battle. It is tough, but one must remain on a maintence program for life.See you later. I will bring my extra Zapper and Extra Strength Tincture of Green Hulls from black Walnuts today. I donot have extra Wormwood or Cloves Caps, but will reorder today. I strongly reccomend you family get you a copy of Dr Hulda s' new book " The Cure For All Advanced Cancers " from New Century Press ph(616) 476-7400 or FAX (619)476-7474( mine cost $24. & includes shipping). Again, I suggest getting started on the Eissac again ASAP, on 10,000 Mg Vit.C daily (in Nautral Tea as we discussed) , keep on the 1/2 Cup of Rasberries daily for their Anti cancer chemical and etc. Restart on 1/2 cup Organic Cottage Cheese with Org.Flax SeedOil(1 T per 100 lbs body wt) to offset the Chemo and rebuild your Immune System. Love,Liz g >Delivered-listsaver-egroups-cures for canceregroups >Date: Wed, 01 Dec 1999 21:37:18 -0800 >From: Karjala <bobk20@...> >Mailing-List: contact cures for cancer-owneregroups >X-Mailing-List: cures for canceregroups re/> >Reply-cures for canceregroups >Subject: Re: DISBELIEF!!!!!! > > Hi , on your own searches. You might get some additional ideas >about alternatives from my story at: http://essiac-info.org/Bob.html and my >links page at http://essiac-info.org/Boblinks.html will lead you to many >other sites for cancer info. >Good luck to you in your battle with cancer. >Bob Karjala Fearnall wrote: >I really don't where to start I am so amazed!! So lets begin yesterday! >whoops!! try a week ago >when I was diagnosed with breast cancer... I have travelled >a million >miles in that week a journey I wouldn't like >to take again..Back to yesterday I found by accident >cures for cancer etc and registered... This morning I clicked my e-mail and ( I'm >still reeling from shock >39 messages!! can you believe 39 MESSAGES of pure " BS " >I signed on for HELP and SUPPORT not to listen >to a lot of immature people WRANGLING!!!! I read about 6 and wiped out the >rest.. Why! am >replying to your message???? I'm an EX MLM'er and >have the greatest respect for the most misunderstood >industry.... Can you understand how shocked I was? Wonder how many messages >I'll need to cancel out tomorrow unread.. that is if I can't find a way to >get off >this timewasting list.. How many genuine people >have ever seen the following site......drday.com All >I can say is it has turned my life around.. >I live in Australia and if YOU care to reply I'd like that... Have a great >day.. > > > -- >Bob Karjala >My Cure from Stage IV Lung Cancer >http://www.essiac-info.org/Bob.html >mailto:bobk20@... > > Visit http://cures for cancer.evangelist.net for cancer info or to unsubscribe > eGroups.com Home: cures for cancer > www. - Simplifying group communications > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 2, 1999 Report Share Posted December 2, 1999 Read Dr. Horowitz's book, " Healing Codes for the Biological Apocalypse " . He explains that there are a few evil men intent to " succeed " where Hitler failed and have produced man-made pathogens using medical research as its vehicle. Most of our modern day diseases are caused by these global people who have succeeded by controlling the media and having dis-information specialists on health. Congress is now investigating them. Also, we should retain our autonomy and not succumb to " harmonization " laws. One must be cautious NOT to give too much power to " global causes " such as " environmental causes " since the environmental movement has been designed for the purpose of rallying people to accept a one-world satanic government [which will be ruled by the anti-christ, according to Revelations]. One scientist and his group worked for 12 years [using taxpayers money] to find an animal that was susceptible to environmental pollution. Once it was found, it was used for propaganda to provide funding for the environmental movement. Notice that the " lead scare propaganda " is meant to outlaw lead because it is the only metal that will stop the transmission of information from the biochips (computer chips) implanted in us. With it, we can be tracked anywhere in the world to the accuracy of 3 feet. The plan is to place this computer chip in our hands or foreheads by the years 2003-2005. [the 1st, middle, and last double line of bar codes on most canned goods is 666, the number of the beast; and the world bank has its code number 666.] With world control of our vitamins, we would not be permitted to follow Dr. 's suggestions. The European recommended dosages are too small to effect cures. [For example, you cannot buy Vitamin C over 50 mg without a doctor's prescription in certain European countries, from one source I've read.] But more important than our physical bodies is our spiritual bodies, which are destined either for heaven or the Lake of Fire. On Wed, 1 Dec 1999, Webster wrote: > , > > > My mother died on Nov 8th of breast cancer. She had it, and 4 other cancers over the last 7 years during her " treatment " . I watched as she nearly died in ICU, from a colon rupture, due to bowel motility problems related to her treatment that simply being hydrated and a little more magnesium would have solved. But my mother was so " toxic " from 7 years of " treatment " that she could barely think, much less remember when her last bowel movement was. > > > As a naturopath, I had to stand by and watch her make HER decisions for treatment. I watched her nearly die from dehydration and kidney failure (her urine was COMPLETELY BLACK) in ICU, due to their " treatment " . Dear , had I not summoned the on call MD to increase her IV push, which they had " planned to do in the AM " , just 8 hours away, we may have lost my mother in May and not in November. > > > Barely saved from death, 4 days later, we saw her begin to choke on her own phlem within 4 hours of being put on a soy lipid IV. The next morning, I asked to speak to the dietician in charge of ordering her " nutrition " . I asked for her nutrition to be changed from the soy formula, and again, I was told, " we were considering doing that " . > > > I proceeded to instruct the dietician that I would like it done immediately, as soy is more mucous forming than dairy, and that mucous is an invitation for toxins to accumulate in the body. In the case of my mother, her eliminative organs were already nearly stopped from her " treatment " . I was GRILLED about my education, occupation, and my sources. Astounded, I just replied, " it's commonly known in most nutrition schools " . > > > Incidentally, the nutrition that replaced the soy formula was HARDLY ever used according to the nursing staff, and they asked me how I got them to change it. My reply was that I just asked. That seemed extraordinary to them. > > > My concerns are that if so called medical professionals are ignorant of commonly understood principles of nutrition, are we recieving the best in medical care? No, I say not. And my mother definitely got the best " knife " in the hospital, but almost died of dehydration in recovery, and was pulling the feeding tubes out of her nose because she couldn't clear her throat, and was CHOKING on her mucous. > > > , I'll try to be gentle, but in truth, the outrage is still in me. > > > After watching the last 7 years of " treatment " , I know what I will NEVER EVER DO. > > > I'd watch Dr. Day's every video, attend classes to teach me how to breath properly (which I'm doing), and avoid orthodoxy with a passion. I'd seek out Dr. Gaynor, MD, author of Sounds of Healing, for my oncology work-ups, attend his guided imagery sessions. Incorporated the use of the SE-5 phsychotronic device, get readjusted chiropractically, get touched, massaged, bath naked daily, parasite cleanse, build the body up with enzymes, proper foods (that's a big list of to-dos), use flower remedies, fly to Australia and get some color therapy from the worlds leading color therapists. Oh gee, there's lost more that I'd do, and am doing. > > > I would further NOT spend any time in discussion groups that did not have educated and experienced alternative health care physicians. I'd seek out ACAM doctors, and get about 10 different opinions and accept none that didn't all add up, or seemed vague. > > > , I've been lurking here for the last 3 months or so, and have had enough too. Maybe all of us need to just stand up and say ENOUGH. > > > I'll say this. There is no healing in contention. > > > I have a list, that I moderate, for the last 3 years, we have an " ad day " just once a month. It works for us. We don't solicite on the list, but come for info. Perhaps this list needs to limit the flow of commercial solicitations in the same way. > > > Truthfully, I don't really care, one way or the other. I'm content to glean through all of it. in listening to everyone, I " m learning powerful lessons in how people think, and communicate. EVERY SINGLE communication is valuable, and speaks to the level of experience, maturity and healing power of each person. I can say that I have GROWN in my ability to communicate my thoughts if nothing else, by sitting in these forums. Sometimes silently, and sometimes with outrage. > > > I will say this again, tho, if I've not said it clearly enough yet...... NO ONE has the right to censor anyone's communication, limit it possibly within agreeable constraints. But we are all in " process " , and should be each allowed the space to explore that process and experience. This is still America. Let's try to keep some of our freedoms that we still have left. > > > God speed your discovery in health, . This is your journey of self discovery. In all all that my mother went though during her decline, she became one of the finest women that I have ever been priviledged to meet. Her cancer was one of the most incredible growth processes I have ever personally witnessed. Had I never been a part of it, I would have ridiculed the concept that my mother " needed " the cancer for her personal growth. Why is it we can only grow and mature in the face of our deepest pains, bodily threats and injuries? That is the mystery of the ages. > > > In all, God knows exactly what our needs are, and can abundantly supply them in HIS time. My mother is healed now, and free. > > > Be blessed and always be well, > > > > > PS. The parasite needs the host for survival, and so does the host need the parasite to digest it's decay and return it back to it's rightful place in nature, dust. No man is an island, and can rest or breath without affecting another man. The same air that Jesus himself breathed, we breath now. We are all connected. Like it or not, we are bound to each other. > > > > > At 02:38 PM 12/1/99 PST, you wrote: > > >Hi! Michele > > > > > >I really don't where to start I am so amazed!! > > > > > >So lets begin yesterday! whoops!! try a week ago > > >when I was diagnosed with breast cancer... I have travelled > > >a million > > >miles in that week a journey I wouldn't like > > >to take again..Back to yesterday I found by accident > > >cures for cancer etc and registered... > > > > > >This morning I clicked my e-mail and ( I'm still reeling from shock > > >39 messages!! can you believe 39 MESSAGES of pure " BS " > > >I signed on for HELP and SUPPORT not to listen > > >to a lot of immature people WRANGLING!!!! > > > > > >I read about 6 and wiped out the rest.. Why! am > > >replying to your message???? I'm an EX MLM'er and > > >have the greatest respect for the most misunderstood > > >industry.... Can you understand how shocked I was? Wonder how many messages > > >I'll need to cancel out tomorrow unread.. that is if I can't find a way to > > >get off > > >this timewasting list.. How many genuine people > > >have ever seen the following site......drday.com All > > >I can say is it has turned my life around.. > > >I live in Australia and if YOU care to reply I'd like that... > > > > > >Have a great day.. > > > > > >. On Wed, 01 Dec 1999 12:08:19 -0500, Webster wrote: > > >> <<taking a deep breath before beginnining? > > >> > > >> I can't figure out when people are joshing or serious on this list. > > >> > > >> Does everyone understand that cynicism is a disease, and that sarcasm > > >> literally means tearing flesh from bone? > > >> > > >> ok, about MLM (BORING, I know....) > > >> > > >> 1. MLM businesses have saved LOTS of lives who would otherwise NEVER > > >have > > >> know about how to be well, through their MASS education(and not all of it > > >> good info, granted) > > >> 2. MLM business form important lobbying groups which have been > > >significant > > >> in their " get out the vote " efforts to keep various supplements available > > >> on the market (of course to protect their $$) to the benefit of the end > > >> consumers, not all in the companies downlines, I may add. > > >> 3. Various natural health education companies and schools have been > > >> actively training natural health professionals all over the country, > > >who... > > >> at the grass roots level, have made available products that otherwise > > >would > > >> never have reached YOU/ME/my grandmother/auntie mae. > > >> 4. Many " top shelf " nutrition products are not available to the average > > >> JOE who does not own a health food store, and can afford to buy bulk. > > >MLM > > >> has ERASED this barrier in access to nutrition. So, if you want to BLAME > > >> anyone for MLM, blame the direct sales nutrition companies, that have > > >> denied consumers access to quality nutrition. > > >> 5. MLM offers availability of product regardless of geographic > > >preferences > > >> and availability. > > >> 6. MLM does offer some people, not all, the OPPORTUNITY for building a > > >new > > >> life and income base. I personally know hundreds of people who fall into > > >> this catagory who are fully supported by MLM companies, and act as > > >natural > > >> health MISSIONARIES to the public. Like little ants on the dead carcass > > >of > > >> decaying humanity, these little parasitic ants go around returning the > > >dead > > >> animal to nature and restoring what's left to health. > > >> > > >> You can say what you will about MLM, but you can never deny it's effect > > >and > > >> power in changing our buying habits, local economies, and lives. > > >> > > >> Millions of people participate in MLM hoping to get a shot at the big > > >time, > > >> and with devotion and many hours of self-sacrifice, these well-meaning > > >> (albeit, somewhat undereducated..... BUT WHO'S FAULT IS > > >THAT??????????????) > > >> parasitic ants of MLM go door to door delivering freedom from pain, and > > >> another " piece of the puzzle " of health to their neighbor. They improve > > >> the quality of life, and the POSSIBILITY of freedom from a sad and > > >pitiful > > >> death, of many who they are able to " Scam " or " PLY WITH THEIR WARES " . > > >> > > >> And so what? > > >> > > >> For a measley $10 profit on a bottle of herbs? > > >> > > >> Many of these MLM endure the ridicule of their friends and family for > > >> years, while the ones who have been touched by them move on to other > > >> products(usually provided by a trusty medical doctor, who scoffs at their > > >> untrained natural health competition), without so much as a thank you or > > >> how-do-you-do, never seeing the sacrifice and hours spent in preparation > > >to > > >> sell and deliver their MLM wares to them. > > >> > > >> Many of these MLMers so improve their lives and health, that they > > >continue > > >> on in their education, becoming certified in nutrition, iridology, > > >> chiropractic, etc.... having a continued impact on the metamorphosis of > > >> our societies " consciousness " about healing and true health. > > >> > > >> So, spend your time if you must about the EVILS of MLM, but count me out. > > >> I think that your angst is poorly placed, having misunderstood the nature > > >> of the enemy, you attack the hand that feeds you. > > >> > > >> In the case of whey (GEEZ, is this ever going to be over??), who cares if > > >> you pay more for the product through MLM? Is it a good product? WHY NOT > > >> REWARD THE MESSENGER OF GOOD HEALTH WITH A LITTLE EXTRA CASH IN HIS > > >POCKET, > > >> SO HE CAN CONTINUE TO FEED HIS OWN FAMILY. HE EDUCATED YOU, THEN YOU GO > > >> SOMEWHERE ELSE TO GET YOUR PRODUCT? > > >> > > >> This is not how small towns thrive. Small towns DEPEND on the patronage > > >of > > >> their townsmen, who (YES) pay a few extra cents on the dollar to shop 5 > > >> minutes from home, rather than make 45 min drives into town. > > >> > > >> MLM operates the very same way. But we are fickle consumers, and resent > > >> having to pay extra for the EDUCATION, that we would have NEVER EVER HAD, > > >> had it not been for DIGUSTO MLM WORKER ANT, who happened across his path. > > >> > > >> That horrendous MLM ant, scourge of society, who drives around without > > >car > > >> insurance to keep his webmaster on the job developing his website, and > > >> denies his children time playing soccer at the local field because he has > > >> " contacts " and " leads " to follow up on. Into the wee hours of the night, > > >> he works stuffing envelopes with prospecting letters likely to be thrown > > >> out unopened, in the hopes of capturing just 2% of them in a brief > > >> conversation, so he can GIVE AWAY A SAMPLE of his own inventory as a > > >> premium and show of his generosity. > > >> > > >> Instead of vacations, he attends lectures, local classes and the > > >company's > > >> conventions in order to meet more like-minded worker ants, who have > > >devoted > > >> their lives to the cause of natural health. At these conventions they > > >are > > >> instructed where to find particularly juicy and dead carcasses that are > > >> worthy of their efforts. Provided with scripts and a newly found " joy " > > >in > > >> " sharing " the good news of product ABC WHEY DELIGHT, they set off to get > > >> their first 10 no's out of the way, so they can seriously being > > >recruiting > > >> auto-ship distributors. > > >> > > >> Somewhere along the way, their own health declines as they neglect > > >> themselves in their enthusiasm. For the first rule in MLM is to be > > >using > > >> your own product, but they can't afford to buy more inventory, until they > > >> sell what they already have. So, they hold a public meeting, and offer > > >> one-time discounts, etc, etc, etc...... > > >> > > >> AND THE TRUTH IS..... > > >> > > >> every single one of us owe a deep debt of thanks to companies like AMWAY, > > >> SHAKLEE, Nature's Sunshine, etc. For the work that they've done in > > >> educating us on how to be free and take care of ourselves. > > >> > > >> You can BET that your family physician's medical association has never > > >> encouraged you to be well. > > >> > > >> Always be well, (WHATEVER THE COST..... does it really matter in the > > >end?) > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> At 11:07 AM 12/1/99 EST, you wrote: > > >> >I am trying to see the world from the perspective of an MLMer. > > >> >This is what I have come up with. > > >> > > > >> >I want to give and receive love. > > >> >My intentions are good. > > >> >Life is a struggle, especially when it comes to paying my bills. > > >> >But I hate getting a real job where I will have to work every day being > > >> >exposed to the viscious minds of my co-workers. > > >> >The people at XYZ company have a mission statement to save the world. > > >> >I want to save the world. > > >> >The people at XYZ company say if I join them I will help save the world > > >> and I > > >> >will be rich beyond my dreams! > > >> >This is a dream come true! > > >> >This is heaven on earth! > > >> >I will pray to God to give me the strength to tell as many people as > > >> possible > > >> >about the XYZ company, their miracle product, and the wonderful genius > > >saint > > >> >who will save all our sorry asses! > > >> >Dr Dan > > >> > > > >> >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > >> >Visit http://cures for cancer.evangelist.net for cancer info or to unsubscribe > > >> > > > >> >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > >> >-- 20 megs of disk space in your group's Document Vault > > >> >-- docvault/cures for cancer/?m=1 > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > >> Visit http://cures for cancer.evangelist.net for cancer info or to unsubscribe > > >> > > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > >> -- Check out your group's private Chat room > > >> -- ChatPage?listName=cures for cancer & m=1 > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >________________________________________________________________ > > >Get FREE voicemail, fax and email at http://voicemail.excite.com > > >Talk online at http://voicechat.excite.com > > > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > >Visit http://cures for cancer.evangelist.net for cancer info or to unsubscribe > > > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > >-- Check out your group's private Chat room > > >-- ChatPage?listName=cures for cancer & m=1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > <center><bold><color><param>ffff,0000,0000</param>http://www.cehcenter.com > > mailto:4u2bwhole@... > > </color></bold></center><bold> > > <center>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > I have learnt silence from the talkative, toleration from the > > intolerant, and kindness from the unkind; yet strange, I am ungrateful > to > > these teachers. --Khalil Gibran (1883-1931) > > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++</center></bold> > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 2, 1999 Report Share Posted December 2, 1999 Joyce Inouye wrote: > > Also, we should retain our autonomy and not succumb to " harmonization " > laws. One must be cautious NOT to give too much power to " global causes " > such as " environmental causes " since the environmental movement has been > designed for the purpose of rallying people to accept a one-world satanic > government [which will be ruled by the anti-christ, according to > Revelations]. > Yeah, clean air and clean water is pretty satanic, all right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 2, 1999 Report Share Posted December 2, 1999 Re: DISBELIEF!!!!!! > > > Joyce Inouye wrote: > > > > Also, we should retain our autonomy and not succumb to " harmonization " > > laws. One must be cautious NOT to give too much power to " global causes " > > such as " environmental causes " since the environmental movement has been > > designed for the purpose of rallying people to accept a one-world satanic > > government [which will be ruled by the anti-christ, according to > > Revelations]. > > > Yeah, clean air and clean water is pretty satanic, all right. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Visit http://cures for cancer.evangelist.net for cancer info or to unsubscribe > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Wow the crowds with your FREE Shimmer Ring! The coolest > accessory of the year is FREE shipping too! > http://clickhere./click/1820 > > -- Easily schedule meetings and events using the group calendar! > -- cal?listname=cures for cancer & m=1 > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 2, 1999 Report Share Posted December 2, 1999 i guess i am missing the point, too, Joe and Joyce. I think it strange to generalize or assume environmental causes that way. >From: Connes <kconnes@...> >Reply-cures for canceregroups >cures for canceregroups >CC: Webster <michelle@...> >Subject: Re: DISBELIEF!!!!!! >Date: Thu, 02 Dec 1999 11:29:05 -0800 > > > >Joyce Inouye wrote: > > > > Also, we should retain our autonomy and not succumb to " harmonization " > > laws. One must be cautious NOT to give too much power to " global >causes " > > such as " environmental causes " since the environmental movement has been > > designed for the purpose of rallying people to accept a one-world >satanic > > government [which will be ruled by the anti-christ, according to > > Revelations]. > > >Yeah, clean air and clean water is pretty satanic, all right. > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Visit http://cures for cancer.evangelist.net for cancer info or to unsubscribe > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Wow the crowds with your FREE Shimmer Ring! The coolest >accessory of the year is FREE shipping too! >http://clickhere./click/1820 > >-- Easily schedule meetings and events using the group calendar! >-- cal?listname=cures for cancer & m=1 > > ______________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 2, 1999 Report Share Posted December 2, 1999 Dearest , You are right about this: it's way too complex to generalze over and there's already manuscripts available outlining and breaking it down to a level we understand. Manuscripts that took years to research and prepare. We cannot do such a monumentous task justice in a few little letters cause there's too much to leave out. Mr. Horowitz has already done this along with a bunch of other fat booked authors. It's immense explanation of greed and manipulation by the powers that be to decieve as many as possible for some kinky reason that makes no sense to a sane person. They, by using such tools as the media, try to make any body look like a fool who dares queation them. I must say that bunch in Seattle is not the same bunch Joyce is talking about. See, Al Gore is a captain type figure in the enviornmentalists group Joyce and Dr. Horowtz are talking about. You certainly are not going to see him out protesting in the Streets of Seattle. Don't wait for the movie, Get the Horowitz book, take three nights or so of your life and read it and you'll wake up smarter in the morning. It's way too much to try to xplain here and besides I have to go to work now. Enjoyed visiting all. See you all after midnight. Love, Joe PeppeN.D. Re: DISBELIEF!!!!!! > >Date: Thu, 02 Dec 1999 11:29:05 -0800 > > > > > > > >Joyce Inouye wrote: > > > > > > Also, we should retain our autonomy and not succumb to " harmonization " > > > laws. One must be cautious NOT to give too much power to " global > >causes " > > > such as " environmental causes " since the environmental movement has been > > > designed for the purpose of rallying people to accept a one-world > >satanic > > > government [which will be ruled by the anti-christ, according to > > > Revelations]. > > > > >Yeah, clean air and clean water is pretty satanic, all right. > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >Visit http://cures for cancer.evangelist.net for cancer info or to unsubscribe > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >Wow the crowds with your FREE Shimmer Ring! The coolest > >accessory of the year is FREE shipping too! > >http://clickhere./click/1820 > > > >-- Easily schedule meetings and events using the group calendar! > >-- cal?listname=cures for cancer & m=1 > > > > > > ______________________________________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Visit http://cures for cancer.evangelist.net for cancer info or to unsubscribe > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Wow the crowds with your FREE Shimmer Ring! The coolest > accessory of the year is FREE shipping too! > http://clickhere./click/1820 > > -- Create a poll/survey for your group! > -- vote?listname=cures for cancer & m=1 > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 3, 1999 Report Share Posted December 3, 1999 Carol, If you're the one that has been cured of Non Hodgkins Lymphoma, please let me hear from you. I was diagnosed with NHL 4 years ago and told it was incurable. I have opted not to have traditional treatment. Judy At 10:19 AM 12/2/99 -0600, you wrote: >HelloCarol, hope this finds you better today.In less pain and etc.This >fellow Karjala was listed along with the 5th and cheapest source of >Essiac on the list forwarded to you yesterday. " Native Herbs by the pound >from Mother Earth Herbs " . He is often on the Cancer cure egroup >discussions and at his site he tells his story " MY Cure from Stage IV Lung >Cancer " . There has been a bunch of postering and argueing over people >profiting off MultiLevelMarketing, and all of us are sick of it at this >site, but SOME good stuff gets thru. Hopefully we can bring you back to >health after your devastating relapse of Non Hodkins Lynphoma. I could fuss >at you for discontining your 'cure programs' after you were pronounced >cured last year, but I cant say anything you have not said to yourself. >Thank God you do WANT to BE Well. That is half the battle. It is tough, but >one must remain on a maintence program for life.See you later. I will bring >my extra Zapper and Extra Strength Tincture of Green Hulls from black >Walnuts today. I donot have extra Wormwood or Cloves Caps, but will reorder >today. I strongly reccomend you family get you a copy of Dr Hulda s' >new book " The Cure For All Advanced Cancers " from New Century Press ph(616) >476-7400 or FAX (619)476-7474( mine cost $24. & includes shipping). Again, I >suggest getting started on the Eissac again ASAP, on 10,000 Mg Vit.C daily >(in Nautral Tea as we discussed) , keep on the 1/2 Cup of Rasberries daily >for their Anti cancer chemical and etc. Restart on 1/2 cup Organic Cottage >Cheese with Org.Flax SeedOil(1 T per 100 lbs body wt) to offset the Chemo >and rebuild your Immune System. Love,Liz > >g >>Delivered-listsaver-egroups-cures for canceregroups >>Date: Wed, 01 Dec 1999 21:37:18 -0800 >>From: Karjala <bobk20@...> > >>Mailing-List: contact cures for cancer-owneregroups >>X-Mailing-List: cures for canceregroups >re/> >>Reply-cures for canceregroups >>Subject: Re: DISBELIEF!!!!!! >> >> Hi , on your own searches. You might get some additional ideas >>about alternatives from my story at: http://essiac-info.org/Bob.html and my >>links page at http://essiac-info.org/Boblinks.html will lead you to many >>other sites for cancer info. >>Good luck to you in your battle with cancer. >>Bob Karjala Fearnall wrote: >>I really don't where to start I am so amazed!! So lets begin yesterday! >>whoops!! try a week ago >>when I was diagnosed with breast cancer... I have travelled >>a million >>miles in that week a journey I wouldn't like >>to take again..Back to yesterday I found by accident >>cures for cancer etc and registered... This morning I clicked my e-mail and ( I'm >>still reeling from shock >>39 messages!! can you believe 39 MESSAGES of pure " BS " >>I signed on for HELP and SUPPORT not to listen >>to a lot of immature people WRANGLING!!!! I read about 6 and wiped out the >>rest.. Why! am >>replying to your message???? I'm an EX MLM'er and >>have the greatest respect for the most misunderstood >>industry.... Can you understand how shocked I was? Wonder how many messages >>I'll need to cancel out tomorrow unread.. that is if I can't find a way to >>get off >>this timewasting list.. How many genuine people >>have ever seen the following site......drday.com All >>I can say is it has turned my life around.. >>I live in Australia and if YOU care to reply I'd like that... Have a great >>day.. >> >> >> -- >>Bob Karjala >>My Cure from Stage IV Lung Cancer >>http://www.essiac-info.org/Bob.html >>mailto:bobk20@... >> >> Visit http://cures for cancer.evangelist.net for cancer info or to unsubscribe >> eGroups.com Home: cures for cancer >> www. - Simplifying group communications >> > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Visit http://cures for cancer.evangelist.net for cancer info or to unsubscribe > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >eGroups.com Home: cures for cancer/ > - Simplifying group communications > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 3, 1999 Report Share Posted December 3, 1999 Liz, could you also forward the Hallelujah Acres newsletter to me when you have time: acebrian@.... For some reason, the site does not pull up for me. Thanks, Joyce Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 3, 1999 Report Share Posted December 3, 1999 Graham, I forwarded your email to Carol, who is not on the gp. mailings yet, and spoke with her daughter. She says she will send you the info you requested. What I know for sure she used was being on a stringent Hallelujah acres diet (mostly organic juicing of raw veggies) and Barley Green> >for 21 days then adjust it. She started Eissac Tea and lot and lots of Rasberries. And lots and lots of constant prayers from friends, church and family. No cancer is incurable, even tho the cancer doctors will tell you that. It is a true statement if you surrender to only allopahic ways of Chemo,Radiation and surgeries 'till you waste away, right along with your pocket book. Some people slip thru the cracks and do get well in spite of them. My type is pronounced 'incurable/fatal and the whole nine yards'. But using Dr. 's, Eissac and many many other natural remedies I have watched the 'incurable' lesions in my bones heal from Xray to Xray every 6 months and my blood markers go from Bench Proteins from Multiple Myeloma to none....'With in normal limits' for all markers. I am not out of the woods, the programs would take a team of people for a person to do the whole thing 100% and a sizable bank account. I did take 10 light Radation Treatments after a car wreck and was releived of spinal cord pressure. One can do the best and the most they can and pray a lot .....and become well or not. It just may be time for a person to die, and I feel we donot have to surrender to helping it happen faster, but we donot have to fight it either. I just want to go 'home' whole and in the best condition I can, when it is my time. I will forward a Hallelujah Acres Newsletter that just came in. Just delete it if not intersted.Liz > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 3, 1999 Report Share Posted December 3, 1999 Liz, Bravo!!!! Now that's a good report!!!! Love, Joe Pep Re: DISBELIEF!!!!!! > Graham, I forwarded your email to Carol, who is not on the gp. mailings > yet, and spoke with her daughter. She says she will send you the info you > requested. What I know for sure she used was being on a stringent > Hallelujah acres diet (mostly organic juicing of raw veggies) and Barley > Green> > >for 21 days then adjust it. She started Eissac Tea and lot and lots of > Rasberries. And lots and lots of constant prayers from friends, church and > family. > No cancer is incurable, even tho the cancer doctors will tell you that. It > is a true statement if you surrender to only allopahic ways of > Chemo,Radiation and surgeries 'till you waste away, right along with your > pocket book. Some people slip thru the cracks and do get well in spite of > them. > My type is pronounced 'incurable/fatal and the whole nine yards'. But using > Dr. 's, Eissac and many many other natural remedies I have watched the > 'incurable' lesions in my bones heal from Xray to Xray every 6 months and > my blood markers go from Bench Proteins from Multiple Myeloma to > none....'With in normal limits' for all markers. I am not out of the woods, > the programs would take a team of people for a person to do the whole thing > 100% and a sizable bank account. I did take 10 light Radation Treatments > after a car wreck and was releived of spinal cord pressure. > One can do the best and the most they can and pray a lot .....and become > well or not. It just may be time for a person to die, and I feel we donot > have to surrender to helping it happen faster, but we donot have to fight > it either. I just want to go 'home' whole and in the best condition I can, > when it is my time. > I will forward a Hallelujah Acres Newsletter that just came in. Just delete > it if not intersted.Liz > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Visit http://cures for cancer.evangelist.net for cancer info or to unsubscribe > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Think you're ready for Dreamcast? Get all the news, previews and > prices at CNET.com. It's your source for the latest and greatest > in gaming! http://clickhere./click/1612 > > > eGroups.com Home: cures for cancer/ > - Simplifying group communications > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 4, 1999 Report Share Posted December 4, 1999 Graham I am forwarding this 'till I get her subscribed: >From: " Carole Irvine " <cirvine@...> > " " <gregory> >Subject: Re: Re: DISBELIEF!!!!!! >Date: Sat, 4 Dec 1999 13:13:34 -0800 >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal >X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 > >Dear Judy, I started out on several diets but could not drink so much >carrot juice.. I healed my cancer with the eating of 1 cup of raspberries a >day. I saw the Dr. on T.V. that had just finished the tests and he had >some of the people that were in the test with him. The most severe cases >had taken the raspberries for one year. and were cured.. no cancer left >anywhere in their bodies. I started taking it, and in 3 months my cancer >was completely gone. I knew I should keep eating the raspberries but I >felt so good I didn't do it. 2 weeks ago I came down again with the cancer. > I am back on the raspberries..The Dr. who did the test said, it didn't >matter what raspberries I ate. Frozen, fresh, or canned.. even preserves, >as long as you ate 1 full cup a day, as heat, cold etc. does not alter the >part of the raspberries that kills the cancer..My old cancer Dr. told my >new cancer Dr. that I did not have any cancer in my body after the tests in >April of this year. I am back on the raspberries now , but I am very run >down and weak so I am adding the Essiac tea to my daily diet. I am not >taking the chemo, the Dr. wants me to take, as I only have a 40% chance of >it working and a 100% chance of the raspberries working. At least they do >not haveany bad side effects.. I'll answer any questions Carole >---------- >From: <gregory@...> >cirvine >Subject: Re: DISBELIEF!!!!!! >Date: Friday, December 03, 1999 6:05 PM > >>X-eGroups-Return: >cures for cancer-return-4042-gregory=etex.netreturns (DOT) >>Delivered-listsaver-egroups-cures for canceregroups >>X-Sender: x6h6y4nb@... >>X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) >>Date: Fri, 03 Dec 1999 18:40:47 +0000 >>cures for cancer >>From: Graham <happegram@...> >>Mailing-List: contact cures for cancer-owneregroups >>X-Mailing-List: cures for canceregroups >>List-Help: <cures for cancer/info.html>, >> <mailto:cures for cancer-helpegroups> >>List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:cures for cancer-unsubscribeegroups> >>List-Archive: <cures for cancer/> >>Reply-cures for canceregroups >>Subject: Re: DISBELIEF!!!!!! >> >>Carol, >> >>If you're the one that has been cured of Non Hodgkins Lymphoma, please let >>me hear from you. I was diagnosed with NHL 4 years ago and told it was >>incurable. I have opted not to have traditional treatment. >> >>Judy >> >>At 10:19 AM 12/2/99 -0600, you wrote: >>>HelloCarol, hope this finds you better today.In less pain and etc.This >>>fellow Karjala was listed along with the 5th and cheapest source >of >>>Essiac on the list forwarded to you yesterday. " Native Herbs by the pound >>>from Mother Earth Herbs " . He is often on the Cancer cure egroup >>>discussions and at his site he tells his story " MY Cure from Stage IV >Lung >>>Cancer " . There has been a bunch of postering and argueing over people >>>profiting off MultiLevelMarketing, and all of us are sick of it at this >>>site, but SOME good stuff gets thru. Hopefully we can bring you back to >>>health after your devastating relapse of Non Hodkins Lynphoma. I could >fuss >>>at you for discontining your 'cure programs' after you were pronounced >>>cured last year, but I cant say anything you have not said to yourself. >>>Thank God you do WANT to BE Well. That is half the battle. It is tough, >but >>>one must remain on a maintence program for life.See you later. I will >bring >>>my extra Zapper and Extra Strength Tincture of Green Hulls from black >>>Walnuts today. I donot have extra Wormwood or Cloves Caps, but will >reorder >>>today. I strongly reccomend you family get you a copy of Dr Hulda s' >>>new book " The Cure For All Advanced Cancers " from New Century Press >ph(616) >>>476-7400 or FAX (619)476-7474( mine cost $24. & includes shipping). Again, >I >>>suggest getting started on the Eissac again ASAP, on 10,000 Mg Vit.C >daily >>>(in Nautral Tea as we discussed) , keep on the 1/2 Cup of Rasberries >daily >>>for their Anti cancer chemical and etc. Restart on 1/2 cup Organic >Cottage >>>Cheese with Org.Flax SeedOil(1 T per 100 lbs body wt) to offset the Chemo >>>and rebuild your Immune System. Love,Liz >>> >>>g >>>>Delivered-listsaver-egroups-cures for canceregroups >>>>Date: Wed, 01 Dec 1999 21:37:18 -0800 >>>>From: Karjala <bobk20@...> >>> >>>>Mailing-List: contact cures for cancer-owneregroups >>>>X-Mailing-List: cures for canceregroups >>>re/> >>>>Reply-cures for canceregroups >>>>Subject: Re: DISBELIEF!!!!!! >>>> >>>> Hi , on your own searches. You might get some additional ideas >>>>about alternatives from my story at: http://essiac-info.org/Bob.html and >my >>>>links page at http://essiac-info.org/Boblinks.html will lead you to many >>>>other sites for cancer info. >>>>Good luck to you in your battle with cancer. >>>>Bob Karjala Fearnall wrote: >>>>I really don't where to start I am so amazed!! So lets begin yesterday! >>>>whoops!! try a week ago >>>>when I was diagnosed with breast cancer... I have travelled >>>>a million >>>>miles in that week a journey I wouldn't like >>>>to take again..Back to yesterday I found by accident >>>>cures for cancer etc and registered... This morning I clicked my e-mail and ( >I'm >>>>still reeling from shock >>>>39 messages!! can you believe 39 MESSAGES of pure " BS " >>>>I signed on for HELP and SUPPORT not to listen >>>>to a lot of immature people WRANGLING!!!! I read about 6 and wiped out >the >>>>rest.. Why! am >>>>replying to your message???? I'm an EX MLM'er and >>>>have the greatest respect for the most misunderstood >>>>industry.... Can you understand how shocked I was? Wonder how many >messages >>>>I'll need to cancel out tomorrow unread.. that is if I can't find a way >to >>>>get off >>>>this timewasting list.. How many genuine people >>>>have ever seen the following site......drday.com All >>>>I can say is it has turned my life around.. >>>>I live in Australia and if YOU care to reply I'd like that... Have a >great >>>>day.. >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>>Bob Karjala >>>>My Cure from Stage IV Lung Cancer >>>>http://www.essiac-info.org/Bob.html >>>>mailto:bobk20@... >>>> >>>> Visit http://cures for cancer.evangelist.net for cancer info or to >unsubscribe >>>> eGroups.com Home: cures for cancer >>>> www. - Simplifying group communications >>>> >>> >>> >>>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>Visit http://cures for cancer.evangelist.net for cancer info or to unsubscribe >>> >>>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>eGroups.com Home: cures for cancer/ >>> - Simplifying group communications >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>Visit http://cures for cancer.evangelist.net for cancer info or to unsubscribe >> >>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>Get the most popular downloads on the Web. They¹re new! >>They¹re hot! 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Guest guest Posted December 5, 1999 Report Share Posted December 5, 1999 Yes, prayer helps. Ever since Mahesh prayed for me at a Spiritual Warfare conference, I know when spiritual changes happen to me. http://www.maheshchavda.com/ It's strange, but since Mahesh prayed for me about 7 years (?) ago, and since then I've experienced reactions in my body when a spiritual change happens. Many people don't realize they can pray against spirits. A good way to learn is to read how Jesus did it (read , Mark, Luke, ). Jesus often did COMMANDING PRAYER. So, last night when I had a sudden sharp pain, I spoke (in my thoughts): " Spirit of cancer-- GO, in JESUS NAME. " [Jesus has given believers authority over unclean spirits, and in his name we can cast out devils.] Well, in about a minute, I began to cough, which continued for about 2 minutes. This phenomenon of coughing is seen when someone is being delivered. It is also seen in revivals where people are laying on the floor under the power of the Holy Spirit. And coughing is also seen in " the Joy of the Lord " services where people break out in uncontrollable laughter. Spirits tend to attach itself to places of woundedness (whethere spiritual, physical, emotional, etc.), so it is important to forgive, etc. On Fri, 3 Dec 1999, wrote: (snip) > One can do the best and the most they can and pray a lot .....and become > well or not. It just may be time for a person to die, and I feel we donot > have to surrender to helping it happen faster, but we donot have to fight > it either. I just want to go 'home' whole and in the best condition I can, > when it is my time. > I will forward a Hallelujah Acres Newsletter that just came in. Just delete > it if not intersted.Liz > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 1999 Report Share Posted December 5, 1999 In a message dated 12/4/99 5:28:57 PM Eastern Standard Time, gregory@... writes: << <gregory@...> >> Please tell me how in the world you afford to eat 1 cup of raspberries a day........???? I sure would like to try it but ........they are so expensive.........JULIA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 1999 Report Share Posted December 5, 1999 Hmmm, expensive compared to???? Chemo? Radiation? Death? Perhaps if there was real " food " in our diets, such radical solutions as a cup of raspberries a day would be unneccessary. (I say this tongue in cheek. We need to get some perspective here, don't you agree?) Always be well, At 02:10 PM 12/5/99 EST, you wrote: >In a message dated 12/4/99 5:28:57 PM Eastern Standard Time, gregory@... >writes: > ><< <gregory@...> >> >Please tell me how in the world you afford to eat 1 cup of raspberries a >day........???? >I sure would like to try it but ........they are so expensive.........JULIA > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Visit http://cures for cancer.evangelist.net for cancer info or to unsubscribe > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Wow the crowds with your FREE Shimmer Ring! The coolest >accessory of the year is FREE shipping too! >http://clickhere./click/1820 > >-- 20 megs of disk space in your group's Document Vault >-- docvault/cures for cancer/?m=1 > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 1999 Report Share Posted December 5, 1999 Sorry my friend but because of our ongoing lapse of sanity and duty at the ballot box, natural health has become very expensive. drpeppe@... Re: DISBELIEF!!!!!! > In a message dated 12/4/99 5:28:57 PM Eastern Standard Time, gregory@... > writes: > > << <gregory@...> >> > Please tell me how in the world you afford to eat 1 cup of raspberries a > day........???? > I sure would like to try it but ........they are so expensive.........JULIA > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Visit http://cures for cancer.evangelist.net for cancer info or to unsubscribe > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Wow the crowds with your FREE Shimmer Ring! The coolest > accessory of the year is FREE shipping too! > http://clickhere./click/1820 > > -- 20 megs of disk space in your group's Document Vault > -- docvault/cures for cancer/?m=1 > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 1999 Report Share Posted December 5, 1999 Hi, by being able to omit aprox. $1000. to $1500. a month on ocological treatments every month, I can afford the Rasberries. No one said cureing cancer is cheap. Liz At 02:10 PM 12/05/1999 EST, you wrote: >In a message dated 12/4/99 5:28:57 PM Eastern Standard Time, gregory@... >writes: > ><< <gregory@...> >> >Please tell me how in the world you afford to eat 1 cup of raspberries a >day........???? >I sure would like to try it but ........they are so expensive.........JULIA > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Visit http://cures for cancer.evangelist.net for cancer info or to unsubscribe > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Wow the crowds with your FREE Shimmer Ring! The coolest >accessory of the year is FREE shipping too! >http://clickhere./click/1820 > >-- 20 megs of disk space in your group's Document Vault >-- docvault/cures for cancer/?m=1 > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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