Re: Non-Hodgin Lymph-cancer

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I was dx'd with colon cancer Jan97. I already had mets to left ovary when it

was found. I had surgery Feb97 and then did 6 months chemo. The chemo did

nothing for me because it was then discovered in the nodes of the pelvic area

and near the aorta and adreanal gland. I have not done any treatments in a

year and a half and the tumors in the pelvic area have not grown in almost a

yr. The other tumors grew ever so slightly in , but nothing that the onc. are

concerned about. I am not doing any kind of treatment at all. Would like to

hear some alternatives if I need them in the near future. Thanks for your

concern. Jane

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Dear Tor,

Glad to hear of your progress with your healing crisis. You might want to

investigate the work of Dr. Ingrid Naiman with cancer salves, as well as

networking with some of her patients.

Blessings to you,

Zaritsky

HEALL

The Resource Center for body, mind, and spirit

http://www.heall.com/contactus/IngridNaiman.html

Tor Kjeldsen wrote:

> To friends " out there " .

>

> I am a norwegian male (engineer), 57, got low-graded non-Hodgin lymph-cancer

> 4 years ago. Have had several surgerys and radiation, but so far not

> cemo-therapi (cell-poisen in norwegian language).

> Take regularly Tahebo-tee and anti-ocidants (Andante-english) with

> selen/D/E/A vitaminas and C-vitamins.

> Have also been (3 years ago) in an alternative cancer-hospital in north

> Poland (St. , Dr Donsbach).

> Have also seen the english healer Mathew Manning and a philippin healer

> Orbito, who do so-called psycic surgery into the body with his hands.

>

> 2 years ago, my cancer in a number of lymph-nodes (some big as an egg)

> suddenly during a few days scrimpt to less than 1 cm, and has since then

> been in " Status Quo " , controlled every 4. mnds by ultra-sound in the local

> hospital.

>

> The oncolog says this may happen to 30% of patients in my situation, and

> that he has no explanation of why it happend. I must be prepared that it

> can come back; nobody can know when. - Of couse I wonder wether things I

> have done have helpt, but talking to the oncolog about alternatives or

> healers is of no use.

>

> To you friends " out there " on the nett: If somebody with lymph-canser or

> others would like to excange experiense related this illnes and possible

> treatments,

> I would be glad to answer.

>

> Tor Kjeldsen

> Barthsvei 17, N-3600 Kongsberg, Norway.

> e-mail: Tor.Kjeldsen@...

> Fax: (+47)32869695

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At 10:19 13.03.99 -0700, you wrote:

>Dear Tor,

>Glad to hear of your progress with your healing crisis. You might want to

>investigate the work of Dr. Ingrid Naiman with cancer salves, as well as

>networking with some of her patients.

>Blessings to you,

> Zaritsky

>HEALL

>The Resource Center for body, mind, and spirit

>http://www.heall.com/contactus/IngridNaiman.html

I like what I read on Dr. Ingrid site:

I have often asked myself what I would do if I were

the patient rather than the person patients consult

when they are ill. My first answer has usually been,

" I would sit under a tree. " Over the years, there

have been those who understood me perfectly and

those who did not. Many patients said, " You'd do

nothing! "

My response is that sitting under a tree is not doing

nothing. It is an admission that when we are lost,

there is no point in going forward. When faced with a

critical illness, there is a kind of red flag on the game

of life. We know that if we continue as if all were

fine the patterns that led to our crisis will go

unchecked. The outcome, in such instances, is

probably death. So, I would sit under a tree until I

came to understand what my life is all about. A few

patients have immediately understood that this is the

study undertaken while sitting. Trees are wonderful

companions. They promote a feeling of

connectedness with the earth and reverence for the

sky, not to mention gratitude for the wind and rain.

We have much to learn from trees, but life is really

about living our Creator's Plan, and since this is

something we probably did not learn in school, we

often have to set aside time for the lesson later in

life -- when the stakes are very high.

Dusan :-)

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<l03130302b30d8f4be47-@[158.36.165.224]> wrote:

Original Article: list/cures for cancer/?start=866

>

> To friends " out there " .

>

> I am a norwegian male (engineer), 57, got low-graded non-Hodgin lymph-cancer

> 4 years ago. Have had several surgerys and radiation, but so far not

> cemo-therapi (cell-poisen in norwegian language).

> Take regularly Tahebo-tee and anti-ocidants (Andante-english) with

> selen/D/E/A vitaminas and C-vitamins.

> Have also been (3 years ago) in an alternative cancer-hospital in north

> Poland (St. , Dr Donsbach).

> Have also seen the english healer Mathew Manning and a philippin healer

> Orbito, who do so-called psycic surgery into the body with his hands.

>

> 2 years ago, my cancer in a number of lymph-nodes (some big as an egg)

> suddenly during a few days scrimpt to less than 1 cm, and has since then

> been in " Status Quo " , controlled every 4. mnds by ultra-sound in the local

> hospital.

>

> The oncolog says this may happen to 30% of patients in my situation, and

> that he has no explanation of why it happend. I must be prepared that it

> can come back; nobody can know when. - Of couse I wonder wether things I

> have done have helpt, but talking to the oncolog about alternatives or

> healers is of no use.

>

> To you friends " out there " on the nett: If somebody with lymph-canser or

> others would like to excange experiense related this illnes and possible

> treatments,

> I would be glad to answer.

>

> Tor Kjeldsen

> Barthsvei 17, N-3600 Kongsberg, Norway.

> e-mail: Tor.Kjeldsen@...

> Fax: (+47)32869695

Greetings Tor,

I am the webmaster for the Cancell Home page. I do not sell anything. My

motivation and background:

http://www.best.com/~handpen/Bio/health.htm

Cancell has a long history of success and suppression which is explained on my

web site.

I am writing to you about B17 (Laetrile) which is known as a cancer

preventative. There is a video available on the subject plus an excellent book.

Cancell is also an excellent preventative, but it is difficult to take as a

preventative. To learn more about B17, I recommend:

http://worldwithoutcancer.com/products.html

Sincerely,

Winter

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[Guest guest]

I can tell you of the experience of my husband almost 20 years ago (he is a

very healthy 76 yo on no medication). He was diagnosed with non-hodgkins

lymphoma and given low dose chemo. 3 years later it returned (it was in his

abdomen) and he received radiation. He is alive and well today. I am a great

believer in nutrition and juicing, cleansing, Barleygreen etc but we were

doing none of that at the time. He is alive and well tday because

conventional medicine does have a godd track record in some non-hodgkin

lymphoma and Hodgkins.

<>< Annette

Re: Non-Hodgin Lymph-cancer

> <l03130302b30d8f4be47-@[158.36.165.224]> wrote:

>Original Article: list/cures for cancer/?start=866

>>

>> To friends " out there " .

>>

>> I am a norwegian male (engineer), 57, got low-graded non-Hodgin

lymph-cancer

>> 4 years ago. Have had several surgerys and radiation, but so far not

>> cemo-therapi (cell-poisen in norwegian language).

>> Take regularly Tahebo-tee and anti-ocidants (Andante-english) with

>> selen/D/E/A vitaminas and C-vitamins.

>> Have also been (3 years ago) in an alternative cancer-hospital in north

>> Poland (St. , Dr Donsbach).

>> Have also seen the english healer Mathew Manning and a philippin healer

>> Orbito, who do so-called psycic surgery into the body with his

hands.

>>

>> 2 years ago, my cancer in a number of lymph-nodes (some big as an egg)

>> suddenly during a few days scrimpt to less than 1 cm, and has since then

>> been in " Status Quo " , controlled every 4. mnds by ultra-sound in the

local

>> hospital.

>>

>> The oncolog says this may happen to 30% of patients in my situation, and

>> that he has no explanation of why it happend. I must be prepared that it

>> can come back; nobody can know when. - Of couse I wonder wether things I

>> have done have helpt, but talking to the oncolog about alternatives or

>> healers is of no use.

>>

>> To you friends " out there " on the nett: If somebody with lymph-canser or

>> others would like to excange experiense related this illnes and possible

>> treatments,

>> I would be glad to answer.

>>

>> Tor Kjeldsen

>> Barthsvei 17, N-3600 Kongsberg, Norway.

>> e-mail: Tor.Kjeldsen@...

>> Fax: (+47)32869695

>

>Greetings Tor,

>

>I am the webmaster for the Cancell Home page. I do not sell anything. My

motivation and background:

>

> http://www.best.com/~handpen/Bio/health.htm

>

>Cancell has a long history of success and suppression which is explained on

my web site.

>

>I am writing to you about B17 (Laetrile) which is known as a cancer

preventative. There is a video available on the subject plus an excellent

book. Cancell is also an excellent preventative, but it is difficult to take

as a preventative. To learn more about B17, I recommend:

>

>http://worldwithoutcancer.com/products.html

>

>

>Sincerely,

> Winter

>

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[Guest guest]

I totally agree with you Annette. Conventional medicine has proven itself

very helpful for those diseases. We also must always be informed though. My

daughter two years ago was diagnosed with lymphoma here at Children's

Hospital. She was 5 years old. Because of my own battle with a brain tumor

and the education I've received along the way trying not to fight it with

radiation and chemo and because of having been an RN, I knew better than to

just accept that. Nine professional and respectable doctors diagnosed my

with lymphoma and were ready to administer chemotherapy. My husband

and I gathered our four children and drove to Mexico, unbeknownst to the

doctors here in Colorado to ask for a second opinion at American Biologics

and if it turned out to be cancer, we only wanted a biopsy. Well, I am

pleased to report that never had cancer. She had an infection in the

lymph nodes and a 10-day treatment of antibiotics took care of the two

massive tumors on both sides of her neck. As a side note, our family doctor

gave us colloidal silver to treat in a non-toxic way before

proceeding to the cancer diagnosis and silver never worked otherwise the

antibiotics wouldn't have been needed. It was an expensive way to find out

the validity of silver. It was good quality stuff but not effective for

lymph node infections! Anyway, life is a learning experience, isn't it?

sincerely,

Johanne

Re: Non-Hodgin Lymph-cancer

>

>

> > <l03130302b30d8f4be47-@[158.36.165.224]> wrote:

> >Original Article: list/cures for cancer/?start=866

> >>

> >> To friends " out there " .

> >>

> >> I am a norwegian male (engineer), 57, got low-graded non-Hodgin

> lymph-cancer

> >> 4 years ago. Have had several surgerys and radiation, but so far not

> >> cemo-therapi (cell-poisen in norwegian language).

> >> Take regularly Tahebo-tee and anti-ocidants (Andante-english) with

> >> selen/D/E/A vitaminas and C-vitamins.

> >> Have also been (3 years ago) in an alternative cancer-hospital in north

> >> Poland (St. , Dr Donsbach).

> >> Have also seen the english healer Mathew Manning and a philippin healer

> >> Orbito, who do so-called psycic surgery into the body with his

> hands.

> >>

> >> 2 years ago, my cancer in a number of lymph-nodes (some big as an egg)

> >> suddenly during a few days scrimpt to less than 1 cm, and has since

then

> >> been in " Status Quo " , controlled every 4. mnds by ultra-sound in the

> local

> >> hospital.

> >>

> >> The oncolog says this may happen to 30% of patients in my situation,

and

> >> that he has no explanation of why it happend. I must be prepared that

it

> >> can come back; nobody can know when. - Of couse I wonder wether things

I

> >> have done have helpt, but talking to the oncolog about alternatives or

> >> healers is of no use.

> >>

> >> To you friends " out there " on the nett: If somebody with lymph-canser

or

> >> others would like to excange experiense related this illnes and

possible

> >> treatments,

> >> I would be glad to answer.

> >>

> >> Tor Kjeldsen

> >> Barthsvei 17, N-3600 Kongsberg, Norway.

> >> e-mail: Tor.Kjeldsen@...

> >> Fax: (+47)32869695

> >

> >Greetings Tor,

> >

> >I am the webmaster for the Cancell Home page. I do not sell anything. My

> motivation and background:

> >

> > http://www.best.com/~handpen/Bio/health.htm

> >

> >Cancell has a long history of success and suppression which is explained

on

> my web site.

> >

> >I am writing to you about B17 (Laetrile) which is known as a cancer

> preventative. There is a video available on the subject plus an excellent

> book. Cancell is also an excellent preventative, but it is difficult to

take

> as a preventative. To learn more about B17, I recommend:

> >

> >http://worldwithoutcancer.com/products.html

> >

> >

> >Sincerely,

> > Winter

> >

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[Guest guest]

Dear Annette,

I know what you mean with rip-offs. It's hard when we want to heal so

much to be taken advantage of. These people have to know what they are

doing. As far as Larry Burkette, I will not say that he is lying but he did

go to Germany and said he came back healed. I'm not convinced of the whole

thing. I have had a red flag about this ever since it started being talked

about.

I do a strict vegan diet so that the enzymes that I have remain to eat

the tumor shell and not animal protein. I do the blood type diet also and

three of us in the family are blood type A and three of us are blood type AB

so for the AB's, it isn't traumatic to go vegan like us A's at all. In fact,

they are feeling much better since. I try to take whole food supplements

since I violently react to all synthetic ones which G-d probably allows for

a reason, and we drink reverse osmosis water at all times. During my active

tumor times, I did two coffee colonics a day and that helped my liver so

much. I juiced almost exclusively and it grew candida in my face. I realized

that the sugars in the juices were too much for me. Eating steamed foods was

better. I've never had a problem with candida in my life! Anyway, you live

and learn. I've been very diligent in pursuing the parasites in my body.

That has been very frustrating. We eat also only organic foods and hardly

cheat on that. I also got my four silver tooth fillings as I've learned that

the nickel in them may be the culprit for the brain tumor and it generally

takes three years to detox from that. Another thing that I've done is

learned to make my own soap. There is formaldehyde in soap not to mention

other unnatural ingredients that directly feed tumors so we've eliminated

that source. It has proven very helpful. I homeschool our four children that

are a year apart and although it has been stressful, it has been positive. I

have a tendancy to fear greatly when those headaches start and caring for

the children is a great distraction. I probably am omitting some things but

it's so hard t o believe that Larry Burkette has a little treatment done and

voila! G-d may have had mercy on him I guess we'll know in heaven. I'd like

to get better at this alternative health lifestyle because I may be omitting

some important piece to this puzzle. I do know that the blood-brain barrier

is tricky.

I would like to know more about this treatment you just mentioned and

about the people that died because of it. It may be a friendly warning for

me in the future.

G-d bless you,

Johanne

Re: Non-Hodgin Lymph-cancer

>

>

> >I totally agree with you Annette. Conventional medicine has proven itself

> >very helpful for those diseases. We also must always be informed though.

My

> >daughter two years ago was diagnosed with lymphoma here at Children's

> >Hospital. She was 5 years old. Because of my own battle with a brain

tumor

> >and the education I've received along the way trying not to fight it with

> >radiation and chemo and because of having been an RN, I knew better than

to

> >just accept that. Nine professional and respectable doctors diagnosed my

> > with lymphoma and were ready to administer chemotherapy. My

husband

> >and I gathered our four children and drove to Mexico, unbeknownst to the

> >doctors here in Colorado to ask for a second opinion at American

> Biologics

> >and if it turned out to be cancer, we only wanted a biopsy. Well, I am

> >pleased to report that never had cancer. She had an infection in

> the

> >lymph nodes and a 10-day treatment of antibiotics took care of the two

> >massive tumors on both sides of her neck. As a side note, our family

doctor

> >gave us colloidal silver to treat in a non-toxic way before

> >proceeding to the cancer diagnosis and silver never worked otherwise the

> >antibiotics wouldn't have been needed. It was an expensive way to find

out

> >the validity of silver. It was good quality stuff but not effective for

> >lymph node infections! Anyway, life is a learning experience, isn't it?

> >

> > sincerely,

> >Johanne

>

>

>

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Praise God for 's health! Please don't misunderstand me - I am not an

advocate of chemo/radiation. far from it. BUT there does seem to be some

cancers which respond. My son had also battled cancer, my friend's son

receiving the exact (conventional) treatment died during the process. I

lived in daily fear of my son not making it thru the treatments. Praise God

he did. I only hope he will adhere to the dietary regime I advise for him.

On the other hand, I joined this list to find out more about alternative

treatments and have been dissapointed in the result. But I am here to learn

and discuss these things. I have a loathing of alternate therapies that are

rip-offs as I do of oncologists and conventional therapies. BTW for anyone

out there, I had wanted my son to get the Alivizatros treatment (non-toxic

intraveneous) which is now available in the U.S. I heard of it thru Larry

Burkette the Christian Financial counsellor who claims it healed his cancer.

It was created by a Greek doctor and ws only available in Mexico, now

available in Atlanta. BTW there was some moron going around recommending

injecting aloe into the system, he killed several people here in nearby

Virginia. This is the kind of thing I hate so much.

<>< Annette

Re: Non-Hodgin Lymph-cancer

>I totally agree with you Annette. Conventional medicine has proven itself

>very helpful for those diseases. We also must always be informed though. My

>daughter two years ago was diagnosed with lymphoma here at Children's

>Hospital. She was 5 years old. Because of my own battle with a brain tumor

>and the education I've received along the way trying not to fight it with

>radiation and chemo and because of having been an RN, I knew better than to

>just accept that. Nine professional and respectable doctors diagnosed my

> with lymphoma and were ready to administer chemotherapy. My husband

>and I gathered our four children and drove to Mexico, unbeknownst to the

>doctors here in Colorado to ask for a second opinion at American

Biologics

>and if it turned out to be cancer, we only wanted a biopsy. Well, I am

>pleased to report that never had cancer. She had an infection in

the

>lymph nodes and a 10-day treatment of antibiotics took care of the two

>massive tumors on both sides of her neck. As a side note, our family doctor

>gave us colloidal silver to treat in a non-toxic way before

>proceeding to the cancer diagnosis and silver never worked otherwise the

>antibiotics wouldn't have been needed. It was an expensive way to find out

>the validity of silver. It was good quality stuff but not effective for

>lymph node infections! Anyway, life is a learning experience, isn't it?

>

> sincerely,

>Johanne

"

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