Re: poz to neg? -- The Catch 22

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 5/8/2005 11:59:32 PM Pacific Standard Time,

freelightexpress@... writes:

)=========== It appears to me that most mainstream doctors do not know if

one can turn 'neg' or if such a thing is possible as it seems they feel

that once your 'poz' and reach a certain stage of disease

progression....you're on the meds for life. I am curious how any

mainstream doctor could explain one turning 'neg' and how this would have

to change preconceptions/beliefs about hiv infection.

,

Over the years I've known several people who, some after recovering from

full-blown AIDS, who later tested negative -- for what it's worth. The test is

not valid, so this is pretty meaningless. However, this is the Catch 22 of

AIDS. See, if you test negative, after having tested positive, the MDs

(Merchants of Death) will tell you that now your immune system is too weak to

even

make antibodies.

, I was wondering, did you never read any of Duesberg's books or any of

the other major dissident scientists? Or did you read and not believe

anything that contradicted the governmedical propaganda?

The best AIDS book I ever read was banned in this country, but sometimes you

can find used copies that were in circulation before it was banned. It's

called " Why We'll Never Win the War on AIDS, " by Duesberg and

Ellison. I literally couldn't put it down until I finished it.

Ed

[Guest guest]

> " Why We'll Never Win the War on AIDS, " by Duesberg and Ellison.

Hello Ed. What is it all about ?

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It's similar to " Inventing the AIDS Virus, " but without the appendices. It

names names where the latter book doesn't and just seemed better written.

Like I said, I couldn't put it down, unlike " Inventing the AIDS Virus. "

Ed

In a message dated 5/12/2005 4:42:38 PM Pacific Standard Time,

LebendeMaterie@... writes:

> " Why We'll Never Win the War on AIDS, " by Duesberg and Ellison.

Hello Ed. What is it all about ?

[Guest guest]

What disease are you talking about? AIDS is a category, an arbitrary

definition that differs by time and country. For example, more than half of

those

newly labeled as " AIDS " victims in the US are not even sick. Their

" diagnosis " is based on testing positive for antibodies and having a t-cell

count less

than 200. If these same people crossed the border into Canada, they would

no longer be considered as having " AIDS. " In the US, the definition has been

broadened (to make the numbers go up when they were going down) at least 3

times.

Throughout most of Africa HIV is not even part of the AIDS definition and

HIV testing is not performed. Where it is, the standards are different in the

US. About two-thirds of Africans who have actually tested " HIV-positive "

would test negative if their bloodwork was done in the U.S. Regardless, the

testing is not accurate and is allegedly for antibodies. Antibodies do not

predict death or disease. Until " AIDS " was created by the US military (CDC),

we

were told antibodies signified immunity.

Africans and other third worlders have been dying by tens of millions

annually for decades. Starvation and polluted water are the real culprits.

Despite this, Africa is growing much faster than we are. Since the start of

the

" epidemic " they've grown by 300 million -- equivalent to the entire US

population. That is the real problem. By giving AZT and other chemotherapy

drugs to

pregnant women we will probably produce a generation of sterile Africans --

a clever solution to the population problem as no one will even notice for 20

years, if they notice at all.

Supposedly, once you have antibodies, you have them for life. Again, if you

test negative after testing positive the Merchants of Death (MDs) interpret

to mean that your system is so shot you can longer make antibodies, but you

still have the virus. And remember this. Once the vaccine is introduced and

illegally mandated, everyone will be " HIV-positive " and the illegitimate

testing will be abandoned.

If you're not clear on the enormous fraud and lack of science supporting the

HIV/AIDS theory you will live in fear for the rest of your life and never

experience true health. As long as you give credence to any of the HIV

bullshit, from the test to the so-called " viral load, " you are in trouble.

The disease you have to cure yourself of is diseased thinking. There are

three books, all written before the beginning of AIDS that I consider

prerequisites to be read before reading any AIDS dissident books. You've may

have

read some of them already. They are:

1) " Alice in Wonderland, " by C. Carroll

2) " The Emporer's New Clothes "

3) " Confessions of a Medical Heretic, " by Mendelsohn, M.D.

Ed

In a message dated 5/12/2005 8:43:25 PM Pacific Standard Time,

happytype@... writes:

I am reading the book but the fact is that the disease

keeps killing people, even africans who never took any

medicine and tested HIV positive.

Instead of putting too much energy in changing the

names in place, it is more constructive to cure

yourself. At least, if you become HIV negative, you

won't worry about infecting someone else and go on

with your life.

Sylvain

--- aidsisover@... wrote:

>

> It's similar to " Inventing the AIDS Virus, " but

> without the appendices. It

> names names where the latter book doesn't and just

> seemed better written.

> Like I said, I couldn't put it down, unlike

> " Inventing the AIDS Virus. "

>

> Ed

>

> In a message dated 5/12/2005 4:42:38 PM Pacific

> Standard Time,

> LebendeMaterie@... writes:

>

> > " Why We'll Never Win the War on AIDS, " by

> Duesberg and Ellison.

>

> Hello Ed. What is it all about ?

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

>

Musically yours,

Sylvain Gagnon

www.sylvaingagnon.net

info@...

[Guest guest]

Outside of South Africa, the rest of the continent uses a definition of AIDS

that does not require HIV. Maleria, prolonged diarrhea, weightloss, etc.,--

old common conditions in Africa -- are sufficient to diagnose a patient with

" AIDS " and qualify for foreign funding that comes with the diagnosis.

If you insist you test these people for HIV, although there is still no

valid test for the virus, and after telling them they carry the deadly virus

they

manifest the symptoms, I don't doubt you for a minute. But show me that it

isn't witchcraft, voodoo, bone pointing, etc. And when the victim is told he

is doing well, i.e. " undetectable " he will probably do better or at least

report he is feeling better. A mind is a terrible thing to fuck.

The last time I visited GMHC (Gay Men's Health Crisis), 5 people who had

told me they were doing great (i.e. " undetectable " ) six months prior, had died

-- not from AIDS, but from liver failure, cancer, stroke -- all caused by the

treatment.

I don't what test you use. The ELISA is known to be inaccurate. It is

overly sensitive and designed to protect the blood supply. The confirmatory

Western Blot was proven to be invalid over a decade ago when 16 factors were

found to cause false positives. In all the years of peer review following the

1995 publication of this study in BioTechnology, no one has faulted the study,

but the list of factors has grown from 16 to 70.

Whatever you are calling AIDS in Africa has nothing to do with what has been

called AIDS in the US. This is a US group. AIDS in Africa is a distraction

from the fact that the US epidemic is drawing to a close.

I did not start my soapbox group. It was started by someone I helped

enlighten. He grew tired of the whole AIDS conflict and is living his life as

if

he never tested positive in the first place. I inherited this group and it

continues to grow with no promotion whatsoever. It isn't about quantity of

information, it is about quality. If it generated the number of posts this

group sees, we'd be seeing a lot of people leaving.

We aren't questioning the viral theory of AIDS. We did that years ago and

saw enough to convince any intelligent person that there is no deadly virus.

For God's sake, even the so-called co-discoverers of the virus have

subsequently admitted it doesn't cause " AIDS " (except by definition) and it

doesn't

kill t-cells. Any doctor, preseent company included, who continues to use

invalid tests and prescribe deadly, immunosuppressive drugs based on invalid

surrogate markers is a quack.

from: _HEAL Toronto: AIDS in Africa and the " 3rd " World_

(http://healtoronto.com/africa.html)

Health Education AIDS Liaison, Toronto

(http://www.virusmyth.com/aids/news/mbeki.htm)

_Presidential AIDS Advisory Panel Report_

(http://healtoronto.com/africa.html#afr)

AIDS, Africa & Third World

" Let’s stop politicising this question. Lets deal with the science of it. " -

Thabo Mbeki, President of South Africa.

(http://healtoronto.com/africa.html#mill)

_INVENTING AN EPIDEMIC_ (http://healtoronto.com/africatb.html)

The traditional diseases of Africa are called AIDS

An " African AIDS " primer: Here is the key point that the newspapers won't

tell you. To diagnose AIDS in Africa, no HIV test is needed. The presence of

the unifying agent that supposedly causes the immune deficiency, the ID of

AIDS, does not have to be established. In October 1985, public health officials

at a conference in Bangui, a city in the Central African Republic, established

the " Bangui definition " of AIDS. Here are the major components of the

definition: " prolonged fevers (for a month or more), weight loss of 10 percent

or

greater, and prolonged diarrhea. " No HIV test required. What this meant was

that many traditional African diseases, pandemic in poverty stricken areas

with tropical climate, open latrines and contaminated drinking water, could be

called something else with no fear of contradiction: AIDS.

By Tom Bethell The American Spectator, April 2000

Most Africans who qualify for an

AIDS diagnosis test HIV-negative

227 patients with " AIDS " : 59% test HIV-negative Lancet 340, p971, 1992

122 patients with " AIDS " : 69% test HIV-negative Am. Rev. Resp. Diseases 147,

p958, 1993

913 patients with " AIDS " : 71% test HIV-negative J. AIDS 7:8, p876, 1994

Source: Rethinking AIDS, July 2000

_New study shows AIDS drugs equally effective as poverty and malnutrition._

(http://healtoronto.com/richards.html)

Summary: Median time from seroconversion to AIDS and death in poor, starving

rural Africans (without access to health care, purified water or

electricity) living in the Masaka District of Uganda (where malaria, dysentery

and

measles are endemic) is no different than that observed in Europeans, North

Americans, or Australians who have full access to proper nutrition,

health-care,

" life-prolonging " antiretrovirals, and prophylaxis against opportunistic

infections (OI)!

Conclusion: These observations are consistent with the hypothesis that

antiretrovirals are killing people just as fast as poverty and malnutrition.

_AIDS Cocktail_ (http://www.virusmyth.net/aids/news/rccocktail.htm)

By Rupa Chinai

Times of India (Bombay) 29 May & 4 Jun 2001

A large number of people from within the general population, that is, those

not part of the " high-risk group " enjoy good health despite testing " HIV

positive " a decade ago. In Mumbai, the " AIDS capital of India, " counseling

groups

such as Salvation Army and CASA (Counseling and Allied Services), who attend

to HIV-positive people from this segment of the population say there is

strong evidence to show that the damage caused to the immune system can be

reversed. " This happens when people change their habits of substance abuse, eat

nutritious food, involve themselves in community service, practice discipline

and hygiene, receive regular counseling, family and social support. Such

persons emerge stronger and healthy, " says Arun Meitram, a counselor at the

Salvation Army clinic. Incidentally, Salvation Army counselors recall only 15

deaths have occurred among the 900 patients they have been following over the

past

decade. In most cases the cause of death is related to malnutrition or TB.

Says Nagesh Shirgoppikar, a medical consultant to Salvation Army, " Our

experience in treating 'HIV positive' persons over the past decade shows that

all

the components of comprehensive psychological, emotional, physical and

conventional medical treatment are very important. If a person is treated

wholly, he

is fine. Our patients have remained asymptomatic for up to ten years, and

enjoy perfect health without anti-retroviral drugs. "

_INDIA: Village Still to Recover from AIDS 'Stigma'_

(http://healtoronto.com/indiafp.html)

This short news item encapsulates the devastation inflicted worldwide by

AIDS hysteria and the invalid " HIV test " .

December '98 cover story

_Are 26 million Africans dying of AIDS?_

(http://healtoronto.com/namillions.html)

- " the biggest lie of the century " under fire

1st December is " World Aids Day " . In the run-up to it, the Aids

Establishment has been issuing some dubious figures about a " pandemic " of Aids

in Africa.

But how accurate are these figures? One African doctor calls it " the biggest

lie of the century " . Joan Shenton, the award-winning British TV producer and

journalist says " it's all bad science " . Fortunately, the evidence on the

ground in Africa so far doesn't support the " pandemic " figures.

Baffour Ankomah reports.

for more on this see:

_Dirty tricks over AIDS figures_ (http://healtoronto.com/nadirty.html) - by

Dr Christian Fiala

_AIDS and Africa_ (http://www.virusmyth.com/aids/data/jsafrica.htm) - a

transcript of Joan Shenton's TV documentary

Ed

In a message dated 5/12/2005 10:07:30 PM Pacific Standard Time,

humansafe@... writes:

You know most of the time I respect you and your opinion but when you start

talking about Africa I realize you don't know the difference between your

ass and page four!

I won't even comment on all the crap you just spewed about Africa but the

only thing you got right was the increase in population and the

sterilization of the masses. The rest is a bunch of shit that your friends

or whoever you listen to want you to believe. I am certain that you are

maybe talking about South Africa and I can tell you that the rest of Africa

is different. Try to sell your stance to a regular African and see how far

you get before they put you in a Looney bin or throw you out of the country.

What is it with you guys, can't you understand that there are people that

will disagree with you because they know they have something, you may be

fortunate enough to be well, not all are, but by some of the things you say

I wonder if the virus if it is one, has infected your brain.

Answer the question, if the reason for Africans becoming sick is as it was

before, water and lack of food, why were the majority of the cases I had

worked on in Africa, Generals, Ministers, Judges, Diplomats and other High

Ranking Politicians. In fact my wife's family all military and Intelligence

officers are dying like flies certainly not from hunger and bad water.

While I am ranting " Regardless, the testing is not accurate and is allegedly

for antibodies. Antibodies do not

predict death or disease. Until " AIDS " was created by the US military

(CDC), we were told antibodies signified immunity. " Ed what the hell are you

talking about, the test is for a signature identified a long time ago out of

22 I believe, presence of a signature. It is one of the things that makes me

wonder about this whole thing. I also do not agree with the thought of being

anti-body negative as that would leave you open with no defence, where I see

people living well is when they become undetectable.

I know that you, not just Ed but the other ones have this incessant need to

convince by jamming it down peoples throats and slapping them until they say

Uncle. I guess I am a big thorn in your side because before I came the lambs

could go to slaughter without intervention but now I see that I ask

questions and you all seem to avoid them and make rude offhand comments

instead. I think you have to go back in your books and read the meaning of

discussion, this is the discussion forum Ed, the other one is your soapbox,

that's why this one has a lot of posts, does that say anything at all to

you?

May God Bless You And Keep You Well

Professor Ozone ()

www.ozoneuniversity.com

Without prejudice to the generality of the contents herein, this

communication does not attach any legal liability on the originator thereof.

This communication contains information, which is confidential and may also

be privileged. It is for the exclusive use of the intended recipient(s). If

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Re: poz to neg? -- The Catch 22

What disease are you talking about? AIDS is a category, an arbitrary

definition that differs by time and country. For example, more than half

of those

newly labeled as " AIDS " victims in the US are not even sick. Their

" diagnosis " is based on testing positive for antibodies and having a t-cell

count less than 200. If these same people crossed the border into Canada,

they would no longer be considered as having " AIDS. " In the US, the

definition has been broadened (to make the numbers go up when they were

going down) at least 3 times.

Throughout most of Africa HIV is not even part of the AIDS definition and

HIV testing is not performed. Where it is, the standards are different in

the US. About two-thirds of Africans who have actually tested

" HIV-positive "

would test negative if their bloodwork was done in the U.S. Regardless,

the

testing is not accurate and is allegedly for antibodies. Antibodies do not

predict death or disease. Until " AIDS " was created by the US military

(CDC), we were told antibodies signified immunity.

Africans and other third worlders have been dying by tens of millions

annually for decades. Starvation and polluted water are the real culprits.

Despite this, Africa is growing much faster than we are. Since the start

of the

" epidemic " they've grown by 300 million -- equivalent to the entire US

population. That is the real problem. By giving AZT and other

chemotherapy drugs to pregnant women we will probably produce a generation

of sterile Africans -- a clever solution to the population problem as no

one will even notice for 20 years, if they notice at all.

Supposedly, once you have antibodies, you have them for life. Again, if

you test negative after testing positive the Merchants of Death (MDs)

interpret to mean that your system is so shot you can longer make

antibodies, but you still have the virus. And remember this. Once the

vaccine is introduced and illegally mandated, everyone will be

" HIV-positive " and the illegitimate testing will be abandoned.

If you're not clear on the enormous fraud and lack of science supporting

the HIV/AIDS theory you will live in fear for the rest of your life and

never experience true health. As long as you give credence to any of the

HIV bullshit, from the test to the so-called " viral load, " you are in

trouble.

The disease you have to cure yourself of is diseased thinking. There are

three books, all written before the beginning of AIDS that I consider

prerequisites to be read before reading any AIDS dissident books. You've

may have read some of them already. They are:

1) " Alice in Wonderland, " by C. Carroll

2) " The Emporer's New Clothes "

3) " Confessions of a Medical Heretic, " by Mendelsohn, M.D.

Ed

In a message dated 5/12/2005 8:43:25 PM Pacific Standard Time,

happytype@... writes:

I am reading the book but the fact is that the disease keeps killing

people, even africans who never took any medicine and tested HIV positive.

Instead of putting too much energy in changing the names in place, it is

more constructive to cure yourself. At least, if you become HIV negative,

you won't worry about infecting someone else and go on with your life.

Sylvain

--- aidsisover@... wrote:

>

> It's similar to " Inventing the AIDS Virus, " but without the

> appendices. It names names where the latter book doesn't and just

> seemed better written.

> Like I said, I couldn't put it down, unlike " Inventing the AIDS

> Virus. "

>

> Ed

>

> In a message dated 5/12/2005 4:42:38 PM Pacific

> Standard Time,

> LebendeMaterie@... writes:

>

> > " Why We'll Never Win the War on AIDS, " by

> Duesberg and Ellison.

>

> Hello Ed. What is it all about ?

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

>

>

Musically yours,

Sylvain Gagnon

www.sylvaingagnon.net

info@...

[Guest guest]

What really gets me is how so many of you can sit there and judge and

criticise without, it appears, ever having been seriously ill yourselves. You

go on to make it even worse by implying that if someone DOES become ill it is

because they are not as smart as you are and they have bought into the whole

idea of illness, and some have even said deserve to die, that is the

implication. Are you telling me that if you had life-threatening pneumonia, and

nothing

natural that you had access to had worked, you would not take antibiotics? As

I have said before I almost died holding onto beliefs like that. I know people

who have. Are you saying that if you had aggressive cancer that you could not

cure naturally that you would not consider surgery or chemotherapy? Have you

ever been faced with a decision like that? If not you have no right judge

others choices. I get so tired of hearing that if I was never told I was

positive

I would not have become ill, well I did not believe in HIV and still ended up

in intensive care. Yes, yes I know that people get ill anyway and all that but

I would be careful of portraying all illness as " in your head " , all

allopathic medicine as the devil and all doctors as evil, sometimes they can

save your

life. I do believe in preventative actions, such as eating well and living

well, etc., I do that myself and lead a very happy life, but sometimes illness

still happens. I am smart, smart enough to know that I will do whatever it takes

to be alive and well, be that preferably natural and holistic, and if

necessary allopathic. We all know that conventional medicine is toxic, but I

certainly will not almost die again because of a belief that western medicine is

the

root of all evil. I believe we need to be even MORE smart, and strong enough to

take what we personally need from each modality, without buying into the hype

of any. Every body is unique.

Tangerine

[Guest guest]

Ed:

You know most of the time I respect you and your opinion but when you start

talking about Africa I realize you don't know the difference between your

ass and page four!

I won't even comment on all the crap you just spewed about Africa but the

only thing you got right was the increase in population and the

sterilization of the masses. The rest is a bunch of shit that your friends

or whoever you listen to want you to believe. I am certain that you are

maybe talking about South Africa and I can tell you that the rest of Africa

is different. Try to sell your stance to a regular African and see how far

you get before they put you in a Looney bin or throw you out of the country.

What is it with you guys, can't you understand that there are people that

will disagree with you because they know they have something, you may be

fortunate enough to be well, not all are, but by some of the things you say

I wonder if the virus if it is one, has infected your brain.

Answer the question, if the reason for Africans becoming sick is as it was

before, water and lack of food, why were the majority of the cases I had

worked on in Africa, Generals, Ministers, Judges, Diplomats and other High

Ranking Politicians. In fact my wife's family all military and Intelligence

officers are dying like flies certainly not from hunger and bad water.

While I am ranting " Regardless, the testing is not accurate and is allegedly

for antibodies. Antibodies do not

predict death or disease. Until " AIDS " was created by the US military

(CDC), we were told antibodies signified immunity. " Ed what the hell are you

talking about, the test is for a signature identified a long time ago out of

22 I believe, presence of a signature. It is one of the things that makes me

wonder about this whole thing. I also do not agree with the thought of being

anti-body negative as that would leave you open with no defence, where I see

people living well is when they become undetectable.

I know that you, not just Ed but the other ones have this incessant need to

convince by jamming it down peoples throats and slapping them until they say

Uncle. I guess I am a big thorn in your side because before I came the lambs

could go to slaughter without intervention but now I see that I ask

questions and you all seem to avoid them and make rude offhand comments

instead. I think you have to go back in your books and read the meaning of

discussion, this is the discussion forum Ed, the other one is your soapbox,

that's why this one has a lot of posts, does that say anything at all to

you?

May God Bless You And Keep You Well

Professor Ozone ()

www.ozoneuniversity.com

Without prejudice to the generality of the contents herein, this

communication does not attach any legal liability on the originator thereof.

This communication contains information, which is confidential and may also

be privileged. It is for the exclusive use of the intended recipient(s). If

you have received this communication by error, please delete the email and

destroy any copies of it.

Re: poz to neg? -- The Catch 22

What disease are you talking about? AIDS is a category, an arbitrary

definition that differs by time and country. For example, more than half

of those

newly labeled as " AIDS " victims in the US are not even sick. Their

" diagnosis " is based on testing positive for antibodies and having a t-cell

count less than 200. If these same people crossed the border into Canada,

they would no longer be considered as having " AIDS. " In the US, the

definition has been broadened (to make the numbers go up when they were

going down) at least 3 times.

Throughout most of Africa HIV is not even part of the AIDS definition and

HIV testing is not performed. Where it is, the standards are different in

the US. About two-thirds of Africans who have actually tested

" HIV-positive "

would test negative if their bloodwork was done in the U.S. Regardless,

the

testing is not accurate and is allegedly for antibodies. Antibodies do not

predict death or disease. Until " AIDS " was created by the US military

(CDC), we were told antibodies signified immunity.

Africans and other third worlders have been dying by tens of millions

annually for decades. Starvation and polluted water are the real culprits.

Despite this, Africa is growing much faster than we are. Since the start

of the

" epidemic " they've grown by 300 million -- equivalent to the entire US

population. That is the real problem. By giving AZT and other

chemotherapy drugs to pregnant women we will probably produce a generation

of sterile Africans -- a clever solution to the population problem as no

one will even notice for 20 years, if they notice at all.

Supposedly, once you have antibodies, you have them for life. Again, if

you test negative after testing positive the Merchants of Death (MDs)

interpret to mean that your system is so shot you can longer make

antibodies, but you still have the virus. And remember this. Once the

vaccine is introduced and illegally mandated, everyone will be

" HIV-positive " and the illegitimate testing will be abandoned.

If you're not clear on the enormous fraud and lack of science supporting

the HIV/AIDS theory you will live in fear for the rest of your life and

never experience true health. As long as you give credence to any of the

HIV bullshit, from the test to the so-called " viral load, " you are in

trouble.

The disease you have to cure yourself of is diseased thinking. There are

three books, all written before the beginning of AIDS that I consider

prerequisites to be read before reading any AIDS dissident books. You've

may have read some of them already. They are:

1) " Alice in Wonderland, " by C. Carroll

2) " The Emporer's New Clothes "

3) " Confessions of a Medical Heretic, " by Mendelsohn, M.D.

Ed

In a message dated 5/12/2005 8:43:25 PM Pacific Standard Time,

happytype@... writes:

I am reading the book but the fact is that the disease keeps killing

people, even africans who never took any medicine and tested HIV positive.

Instead of putting too much energy in changing the names in place, it is

more constructive to cure yourself. At least, if you become HIV negative,

you won't worry about infecting someone else and go on with your life.

Sylvain

--- aidsisover@... wrote:

>

> It's similar to " Inventing the AIDS Virus, " but without the

> appendices. It names names where the latter book doesn't and just

> seemed better written.

> Like I said, I couldn't put it down, unlike " Inventing the AIDS

> Virus. "

>

> Ed

>

> In a message dated 5/12/2005 4:42:38 PM Pacific

> Standard Time,

> LebendeMaterie@... writes:

>

> > " Why We'll Never Win the War on AIDS, " by

> Duesberg and Ellison.

>

> Hello Ed. What is it all about ?

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

>

>

Musically yours,

Sylvain Gagnon

www.sylvaingagnon.net

info@...

[Guest guest]

Somebody is pulling your leg Ed, it is not like that at all, sure it exists

but not only that.

I am well aware of Mind fucking, Ed. Healing is 50% mind so I can understand

your point but the people we tested came to us well into their sickness and

were shocked when told positive so that doesn't jive with me.

I agree with you on meds, no body should do them, however it is a personal

choice and one we have no right to choose for anyone. I, personally would

never advise it.

I agree with the testing being a joke, too, but it seems to correlate with

the presence of something so for me, it is just an indicator of a problem,

which one, your guess is as good as mine. We certainly have more than a few

to choose from.

The US AIDS epidemic is coming to a close, haven't heard that in fact I see

more and more people contacting me and my colleagues.

Your comment- " We aren't questioning the viral theory of AIDS. We did that

years ago and saw enough to convince any intelligent person that there is

no deadly virus. " - Neither am I, I have read the material and agree with

it. I just don't agree to this it's nothing eat some fruits and veggies and

all will be fine theory.

" For God's sake, even the so-called co-discoverers of the virus have

subsequently admitted it doesn't cause " AIDS " (except by definition) and it

doesn't kill t-cells. " - Then what does Ed? What is it?

" Any doctor, present company included, who continues to use invalid tests

and prescribe deadly, immunosuppressive drugs based on invalid surrogate

markers is a quack.- Are you calling my therapy immunosuppressive? Or are

you just calling me a quack?

May God Bless You And Keep You Well

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Re: poz to neg? -- The Catch 22

What disease are you talking about? AIDS is a category, an arbitrary

definition that differs by time and country. For example, more than half

of those

newly labeled as " AIDS " victims in the US are not even sick. Their

" diagnosis " is based on testing positive for antibodies and having a

t-cell count less than 200. If these same people crossed the border into

Canada, they would no longer be considered as having " AIDS. " In the US,

the definition has been broadened (to make the numbers go up when they were

going down) at least 3 times.

Throughout most of Africa HIV is not even part of the AIDS definition and

HIV testing is not performed. Where it is, the standards are different in

the US. About two-thirds of Africans who have actually tested

" HIV-positive "

would test negative if their bloodwork was done in the U.S. Regardless,

the

testing is not accurate and is allegedly for antibodies. Antibodies do

not

predict death or disease. Until " AIDS " was created by the US military

(CDC), we were told antibodies signified immunity.

Africans and other third worlders have been dying by tens of millions

annually for decades. Starvation and polluted water are the real

culprits.

Despite this, Africa is growing much faster than we are. Since the start

of the

" epidemic " they've grown by 300 million -- equivalent to the entire US

population. That is the real problem. By giving AZT and other

chemotherapy drugs to pregnant women we will probably produce a generation

of sterile Africans -- a clever solution to the population problem as no

one will even notice for 20 years, if they notice at all.

Supposedly, once you have antibodies, you have them for life. Again, if

you test negative after testing positive the Merchants of Death (MDs)

interpret to mean that your system is so shot you can longer make

antibodies, but you still have the virus. And remember this. Once the

vaccine is introduced and illegally mandated, everyone will be

" HIV-positive " and the illegitimate testing will be abandoned.

If you're not clear on the enormous fraud and lack of science supporting

the HIV/AIDS theory you will live in fear for the rest of your life and

never experience true health. As long as you give credence to any of the

HIV bullshit, from the test to the so-called " viral load, " you are in

trouble.

The disease you have to cure yourself of is diseased thinking. There are

three books, all written before the beginning of AIDS that I consider

prerequisites to be read before reading any AIDS dissident books. You've

may have read some of them already. They are:

1) " Alice in Wonderland, " by C. Carroll

2) " The Emporer's New Clothes "

3) " Confessions of a Medical Heretic, " by Mendelsohn, M.D.

Ed

In a message dated 5/12/2005 8:43:25 PM Pacific Standard Time,

happytype@... writes:

I am reading the book but the fact is that the disease keeps killing

people, even africans who never took any medicine and tested HIV

positive.

Instead of putting too much energy in changing the names in place, it is

more constructive to cure yourself. At least, if you become HIV negative,

you won't worry about infecting someone else and go on with your life.

Sylvain

--- aidsisover@... wrote:

>

> It's similar to " Inventing the AIDS Virus, " but without the

> appendices. It names names where the latter book doesn't and just

> seemed better written.

> Like I said, I couldn't put it down, unlike " Inventing the AIDS

> Virus. "

>

> Ed

>

> In a message dated 5/12/2005 4:42:38 PM Pacific

> Standard Time,

> LebendeMaterie@... writes:

>

> > " Why We'll Never Win the War on AIDS, " by

> Duesberg and Ellison.

>

> Hello Ed. What is it all about ?

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

>

>

Musically yours,

Sylvain Gagnon

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[Guest guest]

Tangerine,

You're very lucky to have been in intensive care and survived to talk about

it. Over the years I've seen several people come down with pneumonia after

stopping the meds. Those who treated it as a detox and basically fasted or

juiced through it all survived. I've never seen the Natural Hygiene approach

not work. I know people who have teaching this for more than 30 years and

they've never seen it not work.

On the other hand, I've known people to go running back to the doctors to

treat their pneumonias. As far as I am aware, they are all long dead now.

Do you consider shingles a serious disease? After my HIV diagnosis and

dissident status took away my income and I was facing evicition from the

apartment I'd lived in for over 15 years, at the time, I broke out in shingles

--

probably the most painful thing I've ever experienced. I did go to the doctor

to get diagnosed and get public assistance with my rent, but I never filled

the prescription. I let my body takes it course and I recovered with no

medical intervention.

I am curious. How many years ago were you medically cured of pneumonia?

What has your respiratory health been like since?

All doctors aren't evil. They are just stupid and misinformed and no

understanding of health. The few who do understand what they are doing, like

Gallo and Fauci, are truly evil. A medical doctor who was a

guest

on my cable show back in the early nineties said Gallo was worse than Hitler.

Ed

In a message dated 5/13/2005 1:06:56 AM Pacific Standard Time,

Tangerineburton@... writes:

What really gets me is how so many of you can sit there and judge and

criticise without, it appears, ever having been seriously ill yourselves.

You

go on to make it even worse by implying that if someone DOES become ill it

is

because they are not as smart as you are and they have bought into the whole

idea of illness, and some have even said deserve to die, that is the

implication. Are you telling me that if you had life-threatening pneumonia,

and nothing

natural that you had access to had worked, you would not take antibiotics?

As

I have said before I almost died holding onto beliefs like that. I know

people

who have. Are you saying that if you had aggressive cancer that you could

not

cure naturally that you would not consider surgery or chemotherapy? Have you

ever been faced with a decision like that? If not you have no right judge

others choices. I get so tired of hearing that if I was never told I was

positive

I would not have become ill, well I did not believe in HIV and still ended

up

in intensive care. Yes, yes I know that people get ill anyway and all that

but

I would be careful of portraying all illness as " in your head " , all

allopathic medicine as the devil and all doctors as evil, sometimes they can

save your

life. I do believe in preventative actions, such as eating well and living

well, etc., I do that myself and lead a very happy life, but sometimes

illness

still happens. I am smart, smart enough to know that I will do whatever it

takes

to be alive and well, be that preferably natural and holistic, and if

necessary allopathic. We all know that conventional medicine is toxic, but I

certainly will not almost die again because of a belief that western

medicine is the

root of all evil. I believe we need to be even MORE smart, and strong enough

to

take what we personally need from each modality, without buying into the

hype

of any. Every body is unique.

Tangerine

[Guest guest]

Tangerine:

Now that is a person that fully understands the situation in the real world,

good for you! It is a very personal thing and we have no right all we can do

is give choices and arguments what a person does with them is strictly up to

them.

May God Bless You And Keep You Well

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Re: poz to neg? -- The Catch 22

What really gets me is how so many of you can sit there and judge and

criticise without, it appears, ever having been seriously ill yourselves.

You go on to make it even worse by implying that if someone DOES become ill

it is because they are not as smart as you are and they have bought into the

whole idea of illness, and some have even said deserve to die, that is the

implication. Are you telling me that if you had life-threatening pneumonia,

and nothing natural that you had access to had worked, you would not take

antibiotics? As I have said before I almost died holding onto beliefs like

that. I know people who have. Are you saying that if you had aggressive

cancer that you could not cure naturally that you would not consider surgery

or chemotherapy? Have you ever been faced with a decision like that? If not

you have no right judge others choices. I get so tired of hearing that if I

was never told I was positive I would not have become ill, well I did not

believe in HIV and still ended up in intensive care. Yes, yes I know that

people get ill anyway and all that but I would be careful of portraying all

illness as " in your head " , all allopathic medicine as the devil and all

doctors as evil, sometimes they can save your life. I do believe in

preventative actions, such as eating well and living well, etc., I do that

myself and lead a very happy life, but sometimes illness still happens. I am

smart, smart enough to know that I will do whatever it takes to be alive and

well, be that preferably natural and holistic, and if necessary allopathic.

We all know that conventional medicine is toxic, but I certainly will not

almost die again because of a belief that western medicine is the root of

all evil. I believe we need to be even MORE smart, and strong enough to take

what we personally need from each modality, without buying into the hype of

any. Every body is unique.

Tangerine

[Guest guest]

ED:

Good post, you get no argument from me on the juicing, detox and natural

hygiene, however most that do this do so many modalities that you would

never be able to figure out which worked.

I have seen others that have taken on natural modalities and also have

friends who teach it and are honestly telling me that it does not work every

time for everyone. For you to make a statement like that Ed is very

irresponsible and this is why we all get attacked. Do you understand the

implication of what you just said?

Shingles, you are trying to compare that to what she is talking about? Good

grief!

" All doctors aren't evil. They are just stupid and misinformed and no

understanding of health. The few who do understand what they are doing,

like Gallo and Fauci, are truly evil. A medical doctor who

was a guest on my cable show back in the early nineties said Gallo was worse

than Hitler. " Ed - are you saying all doctors are stupid and misinformed

while you are brilliant and informed, bad statement again what gets us all

into a place of no credibility. As far as Gallo and my friend

Fauchi, they make Hitler look like an amateur.

Cable show you had, that's interesting, when and where?

Are you going to answer my questions?

May God Bless You And Keep You Well

Professor Ozone ()

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Re: poz to neg? -- The Catch 22

Tangerine,

You're very lucky to have been in intensive care and survived to talk about

it. Over the years I've seen several people come down with pneumonia after

stopping the meds. Those who treated it as a detox and basically fasted or

juiced through it all survived. I've never seen the Natural Hygiene

approach not work. I know people who have teaching this for more than 30

years and they've never seen it not work.

On the other hand, I've known people to go running back to the doctors to

treat their pneumonias. As far as I am aware, they are all long dead now.

Do you consider shingles a serious disease? After my HIV diagnosis and

dissident status took away my income and I was facing evicition from the

apartment I'd lived in for over 15 years, at the time, I broke out in

shingles -- probably the most painful thing I've ever experienced. I did

go to the doctor to get diagnosed and get public assistance with my rent,

but I never filled the prescription. I let my body takes it course and I

recovered with no medical intervention.

I am curious. How many years ago were you medically cured of pneumonia?

What has your respiratory health been like since?

All doctors aren't evil. They are just stupid and misinformed and no

understanding of health. The few who do understand what they are doing,

like Gallo and Fauci, are truly evil. A medical doctor who

was a guest on my cable show back in the early nineties said Gallo was worse

than Hitler.

Ed

In a message dated 5/13/2005 1:06:56 AM Pacific Standard Time,

Tangerineburton@... writes:

What really gets me is how so many of you can sit there and judge and

criticise without, it appears, ever having been seriously ill yourselves.

You

go on to make it even worse by implying that if someone DOES become ill it

is because they are not as smart as you are and they have bought into the

whole idea of illness, and some have even said deserve to die, that is the

implication. Are you telling me that if you had life-threatening pneumonia,

and nothing natural that you had access to had worked, you would not take

antibiotics?

As

I have said before I almost died holding onto beliefs like that. I know

people who have. Are you saying that if you had aggressive cancer that you

could not cure naturally that you would not consider surgery or

chemotherapy? Have you ever been faced with a decision like that? If not

you have no right judge others choices. I get so tired of hearing that if I

was never told I was positive I would not have become ill, well I did not

believe in HIV and still ended up in intensive care. Yes, yes I know that

people get ill anyway and all that but I would be careful of portraying all

illness as " in your head " , all allopathic medicine as the devil and all

doctors as evil, sometimes they can save your life. I do believe in

preventative actions, such as eating well and living well, etc., I do that

myself and lead a very happy life, but sometimes illness still happens. I

am smart, smart enough to know that I will do whatever it takes to be alive

and well, be that preferably natural and holistic, and if necessary

allopathic. We all know that conventional medicine is toxic, but I

certainly will not almost die again because of a belief that western

medicine is the root of all evil. I believe we need to be even MORE smart,

and strong enough to take what we personally need from each modality,

without buying into the hype of any. Every body is unique.

Tangerine

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 5/13/2005 10:00:56 AM Pacific Standard Time,

dlbullock@... writes:

As much good as juicing can do, what if you could juice 20-30 gallons of

juice and magically turn it into something that would fit in one glass or

even better, 5-6 pills each day. This is exactly what the clinical

application of glycobiology has done. I refer to glyconutrients. They are

like juicing--- only on steroids.

....................No wonder those pills are so expensive. While they may

work for those who can afford them, it seems to me, on a global scale, we will

force more people to die of starvation/malnutrition. What happens to 20 to

30 gallons of juice after the nutrients are removed? Also, the idea of

getting nutrition (or anything) from pills is disempowering and just doesn't

sit

right with me. It sure doesn't compare with going outside and picking a

fresh, ripe fruit right from the tree.

Concerning doctors:

I think there are many doctors who are open to complementary medicine from

natural sources. There is now a full directory of thousands of doctors

world wide who use glyconutrients with their patients. These doctors have

far more clients than other doctors because theirs don't need to come in as

often and they don't keep dying like other doctor's patients. The docs can

also spend more quality time with their patients because they stay more well

than before glyconutrients.

........Doctors are indoctrinated in the Pasteur's germ theory of disease,

which Pasteur allegedly rejected on his death bed. Meanwhile, for over 100

years we've been creating chronic conditions by waging wars on germs and

destroying the nutrition in foods with Pastuerization. The whole idea of

destroying

the nutrition in food and then trying to sell it back to us in pill form is

wasteful and sick. Doctor sempower disease by treating it as an entity.

Disease is a process by which the body takes care of itself.

[Guest guest]

The juicing works because the fresh fruit and vegetables that are juiced

contain most of the 8 monosaccharides needed for normal cellular

communication. Studying the reason juicing works and why fresh aloe Vera

gel works is what led to 4 Nobel prizes on cellular communication which gave

rise to the new wing of science, Glycobiology.

Juicing works much better if the juice if from VINE RIPENED fruits and

veggies as they will have far more of the essential monosaccharides.

As much good as juicing can do, what if you could juice 20-30 gallons of

juice and magically turn it into something that would fit in one glass or

even better, 5-6 pills each day. This is exactly what the clinical

application of glycobiology has done. I refer to glyconutrients. They are

like juicing--- only on steroids.

Concerning doctors:

I think there are many doctors who are open to complementary medicine from

natural sources. There is now a full directory of thousands of doctors

world wide who use glyconutrients with their patients. These doctors have

far more clients than other doctors because theirs don't need to come in as

often and they don't keep dying like other doctor's patients. The docs can

also spend more quality time with their patients because they stay more well

than before glyconutrients.

However, there are tons of doctors who became really good at that first

course that is given to every student in medical school. I refer to the

required course: Deleting Common Sense 101 " I believe some doctors have

theirs removed surgically.

Common sense was something that Grandma had in spades. " Eat your

vegetables " , she said. Mine also said, " When they find a cure for all these

diseases, it will be something God given and growing on this earth. " It is

amazing how much she knew. Now we know the answer was right in her

vegetable garden. She did live to be 92 and did not get sick until the last

3 months of her life...after she had been eating retirement home food for

two years. Think there might be a connection? I do.

D.L. Bullock

Do you or your family have a health challenge? Put YOUR BODY'S OWN IMMUNE

SYSTEM to work for you----It is capable of repairing itself from EVERY

disease if you give it the right fuel. Visit

http://bullock.myglycostore.com <http://bullock.myglycostore.com/> to get

the right fuel

[Guest guest]

Dear DL,

did you notice an improvement in your viral load and

Tcell counts since you have been on glyconutrients or

are you just doing it for commercial reasons?

Please share your results.

Thanks,

Sylvain

--- " D.L. Bullock " <dlbullock@...> wrote:

>

> The juicing works because the fresh fruit and

> vegetables that are juiced

> contain most of the 8 monosaccharides needed for

> normal cellular

> communication. Studying the reason juicing works

> and why fresh aloe Vera

> gel works is what led to 4 Nobel prizes on cellular

> communication which gave

> rise to the new wing of science, Glycobiology.

>

> Juicing works much better if the juice if from VINE

> RIPENED fruits and

> veggies as they will have far more of the essential

> monosaccharides.

>

> As much good as juicing can do, what if you could

> juice 20-30 gallons of

> juice and magically turn it into something that

> would fit in one glass or

> even better, 5-6 pills each day. This is exactly

> what the clinical

> application of glycobiology has done. I refer to

> glyconutrients. They are

> like juicing--- only on steroids.

>

>

> Concerning doctors:

> I think there are many doctors who are open to

> complementary medicine from

> natural sources. There is now a full directory of

> thousands of doctors

> world wide who use glyconutrients with their

> patients. These doctors have

> far more clients than other doctors because theirs

> don't need to come in as

> often and they don't keep dying like other doctor's

> patients. The docs can

> also spend more quality time with their patients

> because they stay more well

> than before glyconutrients.

>

> However, there are tons of doctors who became really

> good at that first

> course that is given to every student in medical

> school. I refer to the

> required course: Deleting Common Sense 101 " I

> believe some doctors have

> theirs removed surgically.

>

> Common sense was something that Grandma had in

> spades. " Eat your

> vegetables " , she said. Mine also said, " When they

> find a cure for all these

> diseases, it will be something God given and growing

> on this earth. " It is

> amazing how much she knew. Now we know the answer

> was right in her

> vegetable garden. She did live to be 92 and did not

> get sick until the last

> 3 months of her life...after she had been eating

> retirement home food for

> two years. Think there might be a connection? I

> do.

>

> D.L. Bullock

>

> Do you or your family have a health challenge? Put

> YOUR BODY'S OWN IMMUNE

> SYSTEM to work for you----It is capable of repairing

> itself from EVERY

> disease if you give it the right fuel. Visit

> http://bullock.myglycostore.com

> <http://bullock.myglycostore.com/> to get

> the right fuel

>

>

>

Musically yours,

Sylvain Gagnon

www.sylvaingagnon.net

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[Guest guest]

you wrote:

" ...................No wonder those pills are so expensive. "

Expensive??????

Three different products each month with enough for 4 pills of one, 4 of

another, and 2 of the third each and every one of the thirty days of a

month. All this is right at $100.00. If one is really sick, they can get

the main glyconutrient powder for an extra hundred dollars. That makes

$200. per month until you get healthy (6 to 12 mo.) and then go to the first

price. Perhaps I could eat my nutrients in food instead of eating the

pills, but I have more to do than eat all day and I don't think I could ever

hold enough food to get the same nutrition in those 10 pills a day. The

nutrition found in one peach in 1959 now take 53 peaches today.

How much is the cocktail of HIV meds? Someone mentioned taking something

that was $2,000 per month ($24,000 per year). How much does chemotherapy

cost for a cancer patient for one month? How much are diabetes drugs? How

much do we spend per year on medications that never ever really work? Most

severe cancer patients take the chemo and die anyway... often from the

chemo. Diabetics on the meds always die from things caused by the diabetes

only they do so one body part at a time. A kidney here, a leg there, a

retina somewhere else.. I have friends with diabetes who are no longer

taking 8 drugs any more. They are down to 1 or no drugs at all. They take

glyconutrients now and save hundreds per month. Expensive??????

I can get someone a real bargain on the products which is a years supply for

$1099.00 (and they give you $1,600 worth of product) The cheapest cocktail

I know of was at least ten times that amount. Glycos, expensive???????

Anybody who says glyconutrients are too expensive must be living on a

distant planet. There is no person on the face of the earth who cannot come

up with $100. a month if their life depended on it. And it very well might

depend on it. I can send you to thousands of people who claim to now be

alive because of that well spent $100.00 a month.

I use it as edible health insurance. As a small business man I cannot

afford health insurance. You can't get health insurance for anything close

to what I pay for glyconutrients each month.

D.L. Bullock

[Guest guest]

You are good D.L.Bullock, have to admit that and ever so persistent!

May God Bless You And Keep You Well

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RE: poz to neg? -- The Catch 22

you wrote:

" ...................No wonder those pills are so expensive. "

Expensive??????

Three different products each month with enough for 4 pills of one, 4 of

another, and 2 of the third each and every one of the thirty days of a

month. All this is right at $100.00. If one is really sick, they can get

the main glyconutrient powder for an extra hundred dollars. That makes

$200. per month until you get healthy (6 to 12 mo.) and then go to the first

price. Perhaps I could eat my nutrients in food instead of eating the

pills, but I have more to do than eat all day and I don't think I could ever

hold enough food to get the same nutrition in those 10 pills a day. The

nutrition found in one peach in 1959 now take 53 peaches today.

How much is the cocktail of HIV meds? Someone mentioned taking something

that was $2,000 per month ($24,000 per year). How much does chemotherapy

cost for a cancer patient for one month? How much are diabetes drugs? How

much do we spend per year on medications that never ever really work? Most

severe cancer patients take the chemo and die anyway... often from the

chemo. Diabetics on the meds always die from things caused by the diabetes

only they do so one body part at a time. A kidney here, a leg there, a

retina somewhere else.. I have friends with diabetes who are no longer

taking 8 drugs any more. They are down to 1 or no drugs at all. They take

glyconutrients now and save hundreds per month. Expensive??????

I can get someone a real bargain on the products which is a years supply for

$1099.00 (and they give you $1,600 worth of product) The cheapest cocktail

I know of was at least ten times that amount. Glycos, expensive???????

Anybody who says glyconutrients are too expensive must be living on a

distant planet. There is no person on the face of the earth who cannot come

up with $100. a month if their life depended on it. And it very well might

depend on it. I can send you to thousands of people who claim to now be

alive because of that well spent $100.00 a month.

I use it as edible health insurance. As a small business man I cannot

afford health insurance. You can't get health insurance for anything close

to what I pay for glyconutrients each month.

D.L. Bullock

[Guest guest]

Dear Ed,

I had not taken any meds before I had pneumonia. The pneumonia came

after several chest infections that I had not been able to cure naturally, no

matter what I ate, took or did. I did not want to take any medicine of any

kind, which is how I ended up in intensive care. I AM lucky to have survived,

and

as a matter of fact they did not know if I would. At that point I survived

BECAUSE of the antibiotics, not in spite of them. I would be very careful of

always advising people not to take any medicine ever. I was listening to the

advice of someone like yourself at the time, and if my aunt had not literally

picked me up and physically carried me to the hospital, promising me that I

would

not have to take anything I did not want to, I would not be here today. I

could not breath, I could not eat, I weighed 88 pounds, had extreme diarrhoea,

and

had such a severe fever that I was violently shaking and in pools of sweat. I

could not stand, could hardly walk. My body was closing down. It was NOT a

healing crisis!!!

Shingles is another matter, and one that I managed to cure naturally

myself, through urine therapy, which also stopped all herpes outbreaks for me.

In my opinion we need to move away from blanket statements and accept

that each body and each situation must be dealt with individually. Now that I

do not feel that I have to take one side or the other based on mistaken

principles, I am talking for or against conventional medicine, I approach each

situation as it arises. There have been times where I have gone to see my doctor

and he has said " if you don't take this you could die " and I have trusted what

my body is saying and my instinct and said " no " and been fine. There are times

when he has said I am fine and I have known that I am not and I have taken

steps to heal whatever is ailing me. I know my body better than anyone else.

Same goes for whatever I am told by anyone, natural or not. There is not any way

that will be right for everyone. I am happy for you that you appear to have

found yours, that does not mean that it will be right me. Would it not be much

more constructive to stop bickering about whether HIV exists or not and spend a

bit more time with people talking about their own experiences of healing or

improving their health and how? Or is that another group, one where people can

talk openly of their personal health challenges and how they approach them,

instead of one where it seems as though it is those that are well attacking

those that are not and are reaching out for this kind of advice and discussion?

This is not to say that you are all unhelpful, as long as people agree with your

way of thinking!

Ed, you have been very supportive to me when I have asked for

your advice, which I greatly appreciate. The suggestions that you have made have

been very helpful. I really believe that your heart is in the right place and

I thank you for that. I wish that you would not be quite as scathing towards

those that do choose other ways of living their lives! But anyway...

Best wishes,

Tangerine

p.s. The pneumonia was 5 years ago and my respiratory health has been very

good since. I was given ventalin inhalers by my doctor when I had some asthma

symptoms a while ago, but I have never used them as I resolved the situation

with acupuncture and Chinese herbs instead.

[Guest guest]

this did not seem to go through the first time so here it is again....

Dear Ed,

I had not taken any meds before I had pneumonia. The pneumonia came

after several chest infections that I had not been able to cure naturally, no

matter what I ate, took or did. I did not want to take any medicine of any

kind, which is how I ended up in intensive care. I AM lucky to have survived,

and

as a matter of fact they did not know if I would. At that point I survived

BECAUSE of the antibiotics, not in spite of them. I would be very careful of

always advising people not to take any medicine ever. I was listening to the

advice of someone like yourself at the time, and if my aunt had not literally

picked me up and physically carried me to the hospital, promising me that I

would

not have to take anything I did not want to, I would not be here today. I

could not breath, I could not eat, I weighed 88 pounds, had extreme diarrhoea,

and

had such a severe fever that I was violently shaking and in pools of sweat. I

could not stand, could hardly walk. My body was closing down. It was NOT a

healing crisis!!!

Shingles is another matter, and one that I managed to cure naturally

myself, through urine therapy, which also stopped all herpes outbreaks for me.

In my opinion we need to move away from blanket statements and accept

that each body and each situation must be dealt with individually. Now that I

do not feel that I have to take one side or the other based on mistaken

principles, I am talking for or against conventional medicine, I approach each

situation as it arises. There have been times where I have gone to see my doctor

and he has said " if you don't take this you could die " and I have trusted what

my body is saying and my instinct and said " no " and been fine. There are times

when he has said I am fine and I have known that I am not and I have taken

steps to heal whatever is ailing me. I know my body better than anyone else.

Same goes for whatever I am told by anyone, natural or not. There is not any way

that will be right for everyone. I am happy for you that you appear to have

found yours, that does not mean that it will be right me. Would it not be much

more constructive to stop bickering about whether HIV exists or not and spend a

bit more time with people talking about their own experiences of healing or

improving their health and how? Or is that another group, one where people can

talk openly of their personal health challenges and how they approach them,

instead of one where it seems as though it is those that are well attacking

those that are not and are reaching out for this kind of advice and discussion?

This is not to say that you are all unhelpful, as long as people agree with your

way of thinking!

Ed, you have been very supportive to me when I have asked for

your advice, which I greatly appreciate. The suggestions that you have made have

been very helpful. I really believe that your heart is in the right place and

I thank you for that. I wish that you would not be quite as scathing towards

those that do choose other ways of living their lives! But anyway...

Best wishes,

Tangerine

p.s. The pneumonia was 5 years ago and my respiratory health has been very

good since. I was given ventalin inhalers by my doctor when I had some asthma

symptoms a while ago, but I have never used them as I resolved the situation

with acupuncture and Chinese herbs instead

[Guest guest]

I don't have or want medical insurance. I don't use pharmaceuticals. I

might spend $100 a week at the farmer's market and drop another $100 at an

occasional visit to a health food store. But the foods I buy are deliciouis

and a

pleasure to ingest and even beautiful to look at. I'm not into popping

pills and I believe most of nutrition taken in pill form ends up in the toilet.

Ed

In a message dated 5/13/2005 10:26:31 PM Pacific Standard Time,

dlbullock@... writes:

you wrote:

" ...................No wonder those pills are so expensive. "

Expensive??????

Three different products each month with enough for 4 pills of one, 4 of

another, and 2 of the third each and every one of the thirty days of a

month. All this is right at $100.00. If one is really sick, they can get

the main glyconutrient powder for an extra hundred dollars. That makes

$200. per month until you get healthy (6 to 12 mo.) and then go to the first

price. Perhaps I could eat my nutrients in food instead of eating the

pills, but I have more to do than eat all day and I don't think I could ever

hold enough food to get the same nutrition in those 10 pills a day. The

nutrition found in one peach in 1959 now take 53 peaches today.

How much is the cocktail of HIV meds? Someone mentioned taking something

that was $2,000 per month ($24,000 per year). How much does chemotherapy

cost for a cancer patient for one month? How much are diabetes drugs? How

much do we spend per year on medications that never ever really work? Most

severe cancer patients take the chemo and die anyway... often from the

chemo. Diabetics on the meds always die from things caused by the diabetes

only they do so one body part at a time. A kidney here, a leg there, a

retina somewhere else.. I have friends with diabetes who are no longer

taking 8 drugs any more. They are down to 1 or no drugs at all. They take

glyconutrients now and save hundreds per month. Expensive??????

I can get someone a real bargain on the products which is a years supply for

$1099.00 (and they give you $1,600 worth of product) The cheapest cocktail

I know of was at least ten times that amount. Glycos, expensive???????

Anybody who says glyconutrients are too expensive must be living on a

distant planet. There is no person on the face of the earth who cannot come

up with $100. a month if their life depended on it. And it very well might

depend on it. I can send you to thousands of people who claim to now be

alive because of that well spent $100.00 a month.

I use it as edible health insurance. As a small business man I cannot

afford health insurance. You can't get health insurance for anything close

to what I pay for glyconutrients each month.

D.L. Bullock

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 5/13/2005 8:02:36 AM Pacific Standard Time,

humansafe@... writes:

ED:

Good post, you get no argument from me on the juicing, detox and natural

hygiene, however most that do this do so many modalities that you would

never be able to figure out which worked.

.....In my group, we promote pure Natural Hygiene and properly combined

whole foods only, no toxic substances (aloe, garlic, medicinal herbs, etc.).

And

that is what I have seen always works. Give the body what it needs and stay

out of its way and it will repair itself. Rebound exercise just seems to

speed up what the body naturally. Beyond that some people may need an

occasional colonic, but that's about the only out of the ordinary thing they

do.

..........I've known a lot of people who adopt the diet but still have

lingering problems. In every case I've been able to investigate they were

experimenting with other modalities too.

I have seen others that have taken on natural modalities and also have

friends who teach it and are honestly telling me that it does not work every

time for everyone. For you to make a statement like that Ed is very

irresponsible and this is why we all get attacked. Do you understand the

implication of what you just said?

..........I can only tell you what I've seen from our support group in NY

which has been around for 12 years. Every AIDS victim recovered. Every

diabetic got rid of their diabetes. Every fat person got their weight under

control. I'm in touch right now with a lady who cured herself after 20 years

on

medication for bi-polarism.

Shingles, you are trying to compare that to what she is talking about? Good

grief!

" All doctors aren't evil. They are just stupid and misinformed and no

understanding of health. The few who do understand what they are doing,

like Gallo and Fauci, are truly evil. A medical doctor who

was a guest on my cable show back in the early nineties said Gallo was worse

than Hitler. " Ed - are you saying all doctors are stupid and misinformed

while you are brilliant and informed, bad statement again what gets us all

into a place of no credibility. As far as Gallo and my friend

Fauchi, they make Hitler look like an amateur.

.......Western medicine is based on Pasteur's germ theory of disease, which

is a sham. Doctors are license to kill. Their tools are poisons, cutting and

burning -- none of which are healthy acts.

Cable show you had, that's interesting, when and where?

..........It was called " Accent on Wellness. " I started it in 1992. It was

supposed to run for 13 weeks (an hour a week) and expose the AIDS fraud,

vaccines and other medical blunders, while examing healthy alternatives. I

naively thought that with most of the country's medical experts and the United

Nations and all the embassies in our neighborhood, that they would see the

errors of the AIDS epidemic and it would all be over. The show took on a life

of

its own and ended up running for 10 years. It also spawned the support group

which continues to meet weekly to this very day. I was recently approached

by a major web site that wants to make our old shows available over the

Internet.

.......I started a second show, just about AIDS, at the same time. That show

is still running! You can watch it on line from anywhere in the world. It

airs every Friday morning at 7:30 New York time. To watch it on line, go to

_www.mnn.org_ (http://www.mnn.org) during the broadcast time and click on

channel 56. It's called " H.E.A.L. This Week. "

Are you going to answer my questions?

May God Bless You And Keep You Well

Professor Ozone ()

_www.ozoneuniversity.com_ (http://www.ozoneuniversity.com)

.......I'll address your other questions in the next post.

Ed

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 5/13/2005 12:53:04 AM Pacific Standard Time,

humansafe@... writes:

Somebody is pulling your leg Ed, it is not like that at all, sure it exists

but not only that.

I am well aware of Mind fucking, Ed. Healing is 50% mind so I can understand

your point but the people we tested came to us well into their sickness and

were shocked when told positive so that doesn't jive with me.

........I think it's more like 70%. I've heard that 70% of the reason drugs

work is the placebo effect.

I agree with you on meds, no body should do them, however it is a personal

choice and one we have no right to choose for anyone. I, personally would

never advise it.

........Yes, it's a personal choice, but it is supposed to be an informed

choice. The pharmaceutical companies spend billions on misleading advertising

and influence the government and the media to censor the opposition. I will

do everything in my power to give people the opportunity to make a truly

informed choice.

I agree with the testing being a joke, too, but it seems to correlate with

the presence of something so for me, it is just an indicator of a problem,

which one, your guess is as good as mine. We certainly have more than a few

to choose from.

.......Can;t agree with you here. An invalid test is an invalid test. What

seems to be might very well be placebo or nocebo. The fact that testing puts

more money in the pockets of scumbags like Dr. Gallo, is reason enough not

to ever use the test. Venipuncture, blood letting and the stress created by

test are all immunosuppressive to the victim. Whatver happened to, " Above

all, do not harm? "

The US AIDS epidemic is coming to a close, haven't heard that in fact I see

more and more people contacting me and my colleagues.

.........Look at the official numbers. New cases and deaths have been

dropping since 1993 with a possible exception of a small spike caused by an

extra

half million blood donations (and invalid tests) in 2001 following the 9-11

attacks.

Your comment- " We aren't questioning the viral theory of AIDS. We did that

years ago and saw enough to convince any intelligent person that there is

no deadly virus. " - Neither am I, I have read the material and agree with

it. I just don't agree to this it's nothing eat some fruits and veggies and

all will be fine theory.

.......Have you ever examined people who have done that? And you are

oversimplifying things. ucation is just as important as the diet. And

knowing

how to properly combine your foods is too. Most people do not know that

fruit should always be eaten on an empty stomach and that certain fruits should

not be combined.

" For God's sake, even the so-called co-discoverers of the virus have

subsequently admitted it doesn't cause " AIDS " (except by definition) and it

doesn't kill t-cells. " - Then what does Ed? What is it?

........There is no evidence that anything is killing t-cells, . The

pre-1984 victims, the first 10,000 gay men with long histories of substance and

antibiotic abuse, about 1% of total victims in this country, could not

manufacture t-cells because their thymus glands had been destroyed by drugs--

plain and simple.

" Any doctor, present company included, who continues to use invalid tests

and prescribe deadly, immunosuppressive drugs based on invalid surrogate

markers is a quack.- Are you calling my therapy immunosuppressive? Or are

you just calling me a quack?

.......I didn't say that, but I often wonder why people can't use pure

nourishing oxygen as opposed to ozone, which is toxic and has a nausiating

odor.

Still anyone who continues to give credence to invalid tests and surrogate

markers is part of the problem, not the solution.

May God Bless You And Keep You Well

Professor Ozone ()

_www.ozoneuniversity.com_ (http://www.ozoneuniversity.com)

.......and you too.

Ed

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From: cures for AIDS [mailto:cures for AIDS ] On Behalf

Of aidsisover@...

Sent: Friday, May 13, 2005 12:01 AM

cures for AIDS

Subject: Re: poz to neg? -- The Catch 22

Outside of South Africa, the rest of the continent uses a definition of

AIDS that does not require HIV. Maleria, prolonged diarrhea, weightloss,

etc.,-- old common conditions in Africa -- are sufficient to diagnose a

patient with " AIDS " and qualify for foreign funding that comes with the

diagnosis.

If you insist you test these people for HIV, although there is still no

valid test for the virus, and after telling them they carry the deadly virus

they manifest the symptoms, I don't doubt you for a minute. But show me

that it isn't witchcraft, voodoo, bone pointing, etc. And when the victim

is told he is doing well, i.e. " undetectable " he will probably do better or

at least report he is feeling better. A mind is a terrible thing to fuck.

The last time I visited GMHC (Gay Men's Health Crisis), 5 people who had

told me they were doing great (i.e. " undetectable " ) six months prior, had

died

-- not from AIDS, but from liver failure, cancer, stroke -- all caused by

the treatment.

I don't what test you use. The ELISA is known to be inaccurate. It is

overly sensitive and designed to protect the blood supply. The

confirmatory Western Blot was proven to be invalid over a decade ago when 16

factors were found to cause false positives. In all the years of peer

review following the

1995 publication of this study in BioTechnology, no one has faulted the

study, but the list of factors has grown from 16 to 70.

Whatever you are calling AIDS in Africa has nothing to do with what has

been called AIDS in the US. This is a US group. AIDS in Africa is a

distraction from the fact that the US epidemic is drawing to a close.

I did not start my soapbox group. It was started by someone I helped

enlighten. He grew tired of the whole AIDS conflict and is living his life

as if he never tested positive in the first place. I inherited this group

and it continues to grow with no promotion whatsoever. It isn't about

quantity of information, it is about quality. If it generated the number

of posts this group sees, we'd be seeing a lot of people leaving.

We aren't questioning the viral theory of AIDS. We did that years ago and

saw enough to convince any intelligent person that there is no deadly

virus.

For God's sake, even the so-called co-discoverers of the virus have

subsequently admitted it doesn't cause " AIDS " (except by definition) and it

doesn't kill t-cells. Any doctor, preseent company included, who

continues to use invalid tests and prescribe deadly, immunosuppressive drugs

based on invalid surrogate markers is a quack.

from: _HEAL Toronto: AIDS in Africa and the " 3rd " World_

(http://healtoronto.com/africa.html)

Health Education AIDS Liaison, Toronto

(http://www.virusmyth.com/aids/news/mbeki.htm)

_Presidential AIDS Advisory Panel Report_

(http://healtoronto.com/africa.html#afr)

AIDS, Africa & Third World

" Let's stop politicising this question. Lets deal with the science of it. "

- Thabo Mbeki, President of South Africa.

(http://healtoronto.com/africa.html#mill)

_INVENTING AN EPIDEMIC_ (http://healtoronto.com/africatb.html)

The traditional diseases of Africa are called AIDS An " African AIDS "

primer: Here is the key point that the newspapers won't tell you. To

diagnose AIDS in Africa, no HIV test is needed. The presence of the

unifying agent that supposedly causes the immune deficiency, the ID of

AIDS, does not have to be established. In October 1985, public health

officials at a conference in Bangui, a city in the Central African

Republic, established the " Bangui definition " of AIDS. Here are the major

components of the

definition: " prolonged fevers (for a month or more), weight loss of 10

percent or greater, and prolonged diarrhea. " No HIV test required. What this

meant was that many traditional African diseases, pandemic in poverty

stricken areas with tropical climate, open latrines and contaminated

drinking water, could be called something else with no fear of

contradiction: AIDS.

By Tom Bethell The American Spectator, April 2000 Most Africans who qualify

for an AIDS diagnosis test HIV-negative

227 patients with " AIDS " : 59% test HIV-negative Lancet 340, p971, 1992

122 patients with " AIDS " : 69% test HIV-negative Am. Rev. Resp. Diseases

147, p958, 1993

913 patients with " AIDS " : 71% test HIV-negative J. AIDS 7:8, p876, 1994

Source: Rethinking AIDS, July 2000

_New study shows AIDS drugs equally effective as poverty and malnutrition._

(http://healtoronto.com/richards.html)

Summary: Median time from seroconversion to AIDS and death in poor,

starving rural Africans (without access to health care, purified water or

electricity) living in the Masaka District of Uganda (where malaria,

dysentery and measles are endemic) is no different than that observed in

Europeans, North Americans, or Australians who have full access to proper

nutrition, health-care, " life-prolonging " antiretrovirals, and prophylaxis

against opportunistic infections (OI)!

Conclusion: These observations are consistent with the hypothesis that

antiretrovirals are killing people just as fast as poverty and

malnutrition.

_AIDS Cocktail_ (http://www.virusmyth.net/aids/news/rccocktail.htm)

By Rupa Chinai

Times of India (Bombay) 29 May & 4 Jun 2001 A large number of people from

within the general population, that is, those not part of the " high-risk

group " enjoy good health despite testing " HIV positive " a decade ago. In

Mumbai, the " AIDS capital of India, " counseling groups such as Salvation

Army and CASA (Counseling and Allied Services), who attend to HIV-positive

people from this segment of the population say there is strong evidence to

show that the damage caused to the immune system can be reversed. " This

happens when people change their habits of substance abuse, eat nutritious

food, involve themselves in community service, practice discipline and

hygiene, receive regular counseling, family and social support. Such

persons emerge stronger and healthy, " says Arun Meitram, a counselor at the

Salvation Army clinic. Incidentally, Salvation Army counselors recall only

15 deaths have occurred among the 900 patients they have been following

over the past decade. In most cases the cause of death is related to

malnutrition or TB.

Says Nagesh Shirgoppikar, a medical consultant to Salvation Army, " Our

experience in treating 'HIV positive' persons over the past decade shows

that all the components of comprehensive psychological, emotional, physical

and conventional medical treatment are very important. If a person is

treated wholly, he is fine. Our patients have remained asymptomatic for up

to ten years, and enjoy perfect health without anti-retroviral drugs. "

_INDIA: Village Still to Recover from AIDS 'Stigma'_

(http://healtoronto.com/indiafp.html)

This short news item encapsulates the devastation inflicted worldwide by

AIDS hysteria and the invalid " HIV test " .

December '98 cover story

_Are 26 million Africans dying of AIDS?_

(http://healtoronto.com/namillions.html)

- " the biggest lie of the century " under fire 1st December is " World Aids

Day " . In the run-up to it, the Aids Establishment has been issuing some

dubious figures about a " pandemic " of Aids in Africa.

But how accurate are these figures? One African doctor calls it " the

biggest lie of the century " . Joan Shenton, the award-winning British TV

producer and journalist says " it's all bad science " . Fortunately, the

evidence on the ground in Africa so far doesn't support the " pandemic "

figures.

Baffour Ankomah reports.

for more on this see:

_Dirty tricks over AIDS figures_ (http://healtoronto.com/nadirty.html) - by

Dr Christian Fiala _AIDS and Africa_

(http://www.virusmyth.com/aids/data/jsafrica.htm) - a transcript of Joan

Shenton's TV documentary

Ed

In a message dated 5/12/2005 10:07:30 PM Pacific Standard Time,

humansafe@... writes:

You know most of the time I respect you and your opinion but when you

start talking about Africa I realize you don't know the difference between

your ass and page four!

I won't even comment on all the crap you just spewed about Africa but the

only thing you got right was the increase in population and the

sterilization of the masses. The rest is a bunch of shit that your friends

or whoever you listen to want you to believe. I am certain that you are

maybe talking about South Africa and I can tell you that the rest of Africa

is different. Try to sell your stance to a regular African and see how far

you get before they put you in a Looney bin or throw you out of the

country.

What is it with you guys, can't you understand that there are people that

will disagree with you because they know they have something, you may be

fortunate enough to be well, not all are, but by some of the things you say

I wonder if the virus if it is one, has infected your brain.

Answer the question, if the reason for Africans becoming sick is as it was

before, water and lack of food, why were the majority of the cases I had

worked on in Africa, Generals, Ministers, Judges, Diplomats and other High

Ranking Politicians. In fact my wife's family all military and Intelligence

officers are dying like flies certainly not from hunger and bad water.

While I am ranting " Regardless, the testing is not accurate and is

allegedly

for antibodies. Antibodies do not

predict death or disease. Until " AIDS " was created by the US military

(CDC), we were told antibodies signified immunity. " Ed what the hell are

you talking about, the test is for a signature identified a long time ago

out of

22 I believe, presence of a signature. It is one of the things that makes

me wonder about this whole thing. I also do not agree with the thought of

being anti-body negative as that would leave you open with no defence,

where I see people living well is when they become undetectable.

I know that you, not just Ed but the other ones have this incessant need to

convince by jamming it down peoples throats and slapping them until they

say Uncle. I guess I am a big thorn in your side because before I came the

lambs could go to slaughter without intervention but now I see that I ask

questions and you all seem to avoid them and make rude offhand comments

instead. I think you have to go back in your books and read the meaning of

discussion, this is the discussion forum Ed, the other one is your soapbox,

that's why this one has a lot of posts, does that say anything at all to

you?

May God Bless You And Keep You Well

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From: cures for AIDS [mailto:cures for AIDS ] On

Behalf Of aidsisover@...

Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 9:34 PM

cures for AIDS

Subject: Re: poz to neg? -- The Catch 22

What disease are you talking about? AIDS is a category, an arbitrary

definition that differs by time and country. For example, more than half

of those

newly labeled as " AIDS " victims in the US are not even sick. Their

" diagnosis " is based on testing positive for antibodies and having a

t-cell count less than 200. If these same people crossed the border into

Canada, they would no longer be considered as having " AIDS. " In the US,

the definition has been broadened (to make the numbers go up when they were

going down) at least 3 times.

Throughout most of Africa HIV is not even part of the AIDS definition and

HIV testing is not performed. Where it is, the standards are different in

the US. About two-thirds of Africans who have actually tested

" HIV-positive "

would test negative if their bloodwork was done in the U.S. Regardless,

the

testing is not accurate and is allegedly for antibodies. Antibodies do

not

predict death or disease. Until " AIDS " was created by the US military

(CDC), we were told antibodies signified immunity.

Africans and other third worlders have been dying by tens of millions

annually for decades. Starvation and polluted water are the real

culprits.

Despite this, Africa is growing much faster than we are. Since the start

of the

" epidemic " they've grown by 300 million -- equivalent to the entire US

population. That is the real problem. By giving AZT and other

chemotherapy drugs to pregnant women we will probably produce a generation

of sterile Africans -- a clever solution to the population problem as no

one will even notice for 20 years, if they notice at all.

Supposedly, once you have antibodies, you have them for life. Again, if

you test negative after testing positive the Merchants of Death (MDs)

interpret to mean that your system is so shot you can longer make

antibodies, but you still have the virus. And remember this. Once the

vaccine is introduced and illegally mandated, everyone will be

" HIV-positive " and the illegitimate testing will be abandoned.

If you're not clear on the enormous fraud and lack of science supporting

the HIV/AIDS theory you will live in fear for the rest of your life and

never experience true health. As long as you give credence to any of the

HIV bullshit, from the test to the so-called " viral load, " you are in

trouble.

The disease you have to cure yourself of is diseased thinking. There are

three books, all written before the beginning of AIDS that I consider

prerequisites to be read before reading any AIDS dissident books. You've

may have read some of them already. They are:

1) " Alice in Wonderland, " by C. Carroll

2) " The Emporer's New Clothes "

3) " Confessions of a Medical Heretic, " by Mendelsohn, M.D.

Ed

In a message dated 5/12/2005 8:43:25 PM Pacific Standard Time,

happytype@... writes:

I am reading the book but the fact is that the disease keeps killing

people, even africans who never took any medicine and tested HIV

positive.

Instead of putting too much energy in changing the names in place, it is

more constructive to cure yourself. At least, if you become HIV negative,

you won't worry about infecting someone else and go on with your life.

Sylvain

--- aidsisover@... wrote:

>

> It's similar to " Inventing the AIDS Virus, " but without the

> appendices. It names names where the latter book doesn't and just

> seemed better written.

> Like I said, I couldn't put it down, unlike " Inventing the AIDS

> Virus. "

>

> Ed

>

> In a message dated 5/12/2005 4:42:38 PM Pacific

> Standard Time,

> LebendeMaterie@... writes:

>

> > " Why We'll Never Win the War on AIDS, " by

> Duesberg and Ellison.

>

> Hello Ed. What is it all about ?

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

>

>

Musically yours,

Sylvain Gagnon

www.sylvaingagnon.net

info@...

[Guest guest]

ED:

You are not listening. If you look at your message there are quite a few

" I's " in it. No one is doubting that what you do and believe is not good for

YOU, specifically. The problem comes when you encourage others, no beat

others into doing it the way you see it for yourself, do you understand that

point?

May God Bless You And Keep You Well

Professor Ozone ()

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Re: poz to neg? -- The Catch 22

I don't have or want medical insurance. I don't use pharmaceuticals. I

might spend $100 a week at the farmer's market and drop another $100 at an

occasional visit to a health food store. But the foods I buy are

deliciouis and a pleasure to ingest and even beautiful to look at. I'm not

into popping pills and I believe most of nutrition taken in pill form ends

up in the toilet.

Ed

In a message dated 5/13/2005 10:26:31 PM Pacific Standard Time,

dlbullock@... writes:

you wrote:

" ...................No wonder those pills are so expensive. "

Expensive??????

Three different products each month with enough for 4 pills of one, 4 of

another, and 2 of the third each and every one of the thirty days of a

month. All this is right at $100.00. If one is really sick, they can get

the main glyconutrient powder for an extra hundred dollars. That makes

$200. per month until you get healthy (6 to 12 mo.) and then go to the

first price. Perhaps I could eat my nutrients in food instead of eating

the pills, but I have more to do than eat all day and I don't think I could

ever hold enough food to get the same nutrition in those 10 pills a day.

The nutrition found in one peach in 1959 now take 53 peaches today.

How much is the cocktail of HIV meds? Someone mentioned taking something

that was $2,000 per month ($24,000 per year). How much does chemotherapy

cost for a cancer patient for one month? How much are diabetes drugs?

How

much do we spend per year on medications that never ever really work?

Most

severe cancer patients take the chemo and die anyway... often from the

chemo. Diabetics on the meds always die from things caused by the diabetes

only they do so one body part at a time. A kidney here, a leg there, a

retina somewhere else.. I have friends with diabetes who are no longer

taking 8 drugs any more. They are down to 1 or no drugs at all. They take

glyconutrients now and save hundreds per month. Expensive??????

I can get someone a real bargain on the products which is a years supply

for

$1099.00 (and they give you $1,600 worth of product) The cheapest

cocktail

I know of was at least ten times that amount. Glycos, expensive???????

Anybody who says glyconutrients are too expensive must be living on a

distant planet. There is no person on the face of the earth who cannot

come up with $100. a month if their life depended on it. And it very well

might depend on it. I can send you to thousands of people who claim to now

be alive because of that well spent $100.00 a month.

I use it as edible health insurance. As a small business man I cannot

afford health insurance. You can't get health insurance for anything close

to what I pay for glyconutrients each month.

D.L. Bullock

[Guest guest]

Ed:

You still haven't answered my questions, are you intentionally avoiding them

or is it that you have no answer?

May God Bless You And Keep You Well

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Re: poz to neg? -- The Catch 22

I don't have or want medical insurance. I don't use pharmaceuticals. I

might spend $100 a week at the farmer's market and drop another $100 at an

occasional visit to a health food store. But the foods I buy are

deliciouis and a pleasure to ingest and even beautiful to look at. I'm not

into popping pills and I believe most of nutrition taken in pill form ends

up in the toilet.

Ed

In a message dated 5/13/2005 10:26:31 PM Pacific Standard Time,

dlbullock@... writes:

you wrote:

" ...................No wonder those pills are so expensive. "

Expensive??????

Three different products each month with enough for 4 pills of one, 4 of

another, and 2 of the third each and every one of the thirty days of a

month. All this is right at $100.00. If one is really sick, they can get

the main glyconutrient powder for an extra hundred dollars. That makes

$200. per month until you get healthy (6 to 12 mo.) and then go to the

first price. Perhaps I could eat my nutrients in food instead of eating

the pills, but I have more to do than eat all day and I don't think I could

ever hold enough food to get the same nutrition in those 10 pills a day.

The nutrition found in one peach in 1959 now take 53 peaches today.

How much is the cocktail of HIV meds? Someone mentioned taking something

that was $2,000 per month ($24,000 per year). How much does chemotherapy

cost for a cancer patient for one month? How much are diabetes drugs?

How

much do we spend per year on medications that never ever really work?

Most

severe cancer patients take the chemo and die anyway... often from the

chemo. Diabetics on the meds always die from things caused by the diabetes

only they do so one body part at a time. A kidney here, a leg there, a

retina somewhere else.. I have friends with diabetes who are no longer

taking 8 drugs any more. They are down to 1 or no drugs at all. They take

glyconutrients now and save hundreds per month. Expensive??????

I can get someone a real bargain on the products which is a years supply

for

$1099.00 (and they give you $1,600 worth of product) The cheapest

cocktail

I know of was at least ten times that amount. Glycos, expensive???????

Anybody who says glyconutrients are too expensive must be living on a

distant planet. There is no person on the face of the earth who cannot

come up with $100. a month if their life depended on it. And it very well

might depend on it. I can send you to thousands of people who claim to now

be alive because of that well spent $100.00 a month.

I use it as edible health insurance. As a small business man I cannot

afford health insurance. You can't get health insurance for anything close

to what I pay for glyconutrients each month.

D.L. Bullock

[Guest guest]

Ed:

Thank you I appreciate it!

Your statement- " Give the body what it needs and stay

out of its way and it will repair itself. "

I am not agreeing with you however sometimes the body has gone too far in

the opposite direction and needs to come back to a place where it can start

doing that, sometimes!

Your statement - " Rebound exercise just seems to

speed up what the body naturally. "

No disagreement there, wonderful, a part of my protocol, only thing that

helps the Lymphatic issues!

The statements to every person recovered from this that and the other are

too broad, I am not in disagreement as I have seen the same, but not in

every, if so, I hope that you have taken meticulous notes. The problem as I

see it is that humans are generally trying all sorts of things and telling

you that they are doing one thing so one never really knows whether it was

what you claim or not. Therefore hard to prove unless monitored completely.

Sorry Ed, this one I do not agree with, there are a lot of doctors with good

hearts and open minds. - " Doctors are license to kill. Their tools are

poisons, cutting and burning -- none of which are healthy acts. "

I congratulate you on the successes of your shows and would tune in, however

it would be 4:30AM for me, that's a shame. I think you should try and cover

the West Coast somehow.

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Re: poz to neg? -- The Catch 22

In a message dated 5/13/2005 8:02:36 AM Pacific Standard Time,

humansafe@... writes:

ED:

Good post, you get no argument from me on the juicing, detox and natural

hygiene, however most that do this do so many modalities that you would

never be able to figure out which worked.

.....In my group, we promote pure Natural Hygiene and properly combined

whole foods only, no toxic substances (aloe, garlic, medicinal herbs,

etc.). And that is what I have seen always works. Give the body what it

needs and stay

out of its way and it will repair itself. Rebound exercise just seems to

speed up what the body naturally. Beyond that some people may need an

occasional colonic, but that's about the only out of the ordinary thing

they do.

..........I've known a lot of people who adopt the diet but still have

lingering problems. In every case I've been able to investigate they were

experimenting with other modalities too.

I have seen others that have taken on natural modalities and also have

friends who teach it and are honestly telling me that it does not work

every time for everyone. For you to make a statement like that Ed is very

irresponsible and this is why we all get attacked. Do you understand the

implication of what you just said?

..........I can only tell you what I've seen from our support group in NY

which has been around for 12 years. Every AIDS victim recovered. Every

diabetic got rid of their diabetes. Every fat person got their weight

under control. I'm in touch right now with a lady who cured herself after

20 years on medication for bi-polarism.

Shingles, you are trying to compare that to what she is talking about? Good

grief!

" All doctors aren't evil. They are just stupid and misinformed and no

understanding of health. The few who do understand what they are doing,

like Gallo and Fauci, are truly evil. A medical doctor who

was a guest on my cable show back in the early nineties said Gallo was

worse than Hitler. " Ed - are you saying all doctors are stupid and

misinformed while you are brilliant and informed, bad statement again what

gets us all into a place of no credibility. As far as Gallo and my friend

Fauchi, they make Hitler look like an amateur.

.......Western medicine is based on Pasteur's germ theory of disease, which

is a sham. Doctors are license to kill. Their tools are poisons, cutting

and burning -- none of which are healthy acts.

Cable show you had, that's interesting, when and where?

..........It was called " Accent on Wellness. " I started it in 1992. It was

supposed to run for 13 weeks (an hour a week) and expose the AIDS fraud,

vaccines and other medical blunders, while examing healthy alternatives. I

naively thought that with most of the country's medical experts and the

United Nations and all the embassies in our neighborhood, that they would

see the

errors of the AIDS epidemic and it would all be over. The show took on a

life of

its own and ended up running for 10 years. It also spawned the support

group which continues to meet weekly to this very day. I was recently

approached by a major web site that wants to make our old shows available

over the Internet.

.......I started a second show, just about AIDS, at the same time. That

show

is still running! You can watch it on line from anywhere in the world. It

airs every Friday morning at 7:30 New York time. To watch it on line, go

to _www.mnn.org_ (http://www.mnn.org) during the broadcast time and click

on channel 56. It's called " H.E.A.L. This Week. "

Are you going to answer my questions?

May God Bless You And Keep You Well

Professor Ozone ()

_www.ozoneuniversity.com_ (http://www.ozoneuniversity.com)

.......I'll address your other questions in the next post.

Ed

[Guest guest]

ED:

When you take into consideration that 25% of all drugs do not do anything,

you may be right!

I am glad we agree on informed choice, however there are a lot of things

that work and/or are effective and you do not suggest or recommend, so I

think you are lacking a bit on the informed choice part, not hacking you,

Ed, just commenting.

How do you figure, poking and testing are immunosuppressive, you mean the

anticipation of it or the actual act of it? Also, tests show signatures of a

certain thing, whether that thing is cause or not is not the issue as they

still show something. Also, if I agree with you on that it does not really

matter until you and I give alternate solutions. It is very easy to shun

things, however extremely hard to give solutions. WE are all quick to

complain but not as quick to find solutions.

The deaths related to so called AIDS may be dropping, there are two factors

for this, the use of alternatives to keep it in check and also the

resistance to testing due to dissident action. You know that as well as I

do, there are more sick, just not as many die.

I am a big advocate of food combining, another thing we have in common,

imagine that. As much as I see all that working I still know that it is only

a part of the overall reversal of disease. Re-education yes, but not

steering towards a certain belief or structure, what mankind has to be aware

of is all possibilities and then and only then are they able to use their

inner common sense and logic to decide what is best for them, not you, not

me but them.

If you want to speak about t-cells, there is no direct or conclusive

evidence that CD3 or 4 even have anything to do with sickness or health, I

would look at CD8, CD32 and macrophages before anything else. You are

talking 20 years ago, we have learned a few things since then.

Oxygen is dangerous simple as that, in it's pure form, ozone is not and has

never been, there are no side-effects other than 1 in a million who have an

allergy. Ozone is only pungent when inhaled or used in ozonators that depend

on plates, however sweet smelling if produced by UV. No one is asking people

to inhale it, although bubbled through olive oil and inhaled through a mask

sprayed with eucalyptus oil it is beneficial and not at all dangerous. There

have been 4 deaths associated with ozone out of 5-10 million applications of

those all were due to operator error never to ozone, I could go on but this

is not the place.

I do not advocate the tests, I only use then because in all the thousands

that we have treated, health comes back with the rise in CD's and the

lowering of viral load, give me something else to use as an indicator and I

will, I am not about to do it blind when it has worked in the past. I also

use a few other techniques, Iridology and Chinese Medical Diagnostics and

they all jive at the same time so what am I to do, throw that all away. I

think it would be a disservice to a lot of people if I did and had nothing

else to use. Maybe just the news given to them as positives of all

diagnostics has the effect of making them better, but I still must reason

that what I do tends to start the process, just common sense. In the end who

really gives a shit what it is as long as it is working, isn't that what it

is all about?

May God Bless You And Keep You Well

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Re: poz to neg? -- The Catch 22

What disease are you talking about? AIDS is a category, an arbitrary

definition that differs by time and country. For example, more than half

of those

newly labeled as " AIDS " victims in the US are not even sick. Their

" diagnosis " is based on testing positive for antibodies and having a

t-cell count less than 200. If these same people crossed the border into

Canada, they would no longer be considered as having " AIDS. " In the US,

the definition has been broadened (to make the numbers go up when they

were

going down) at least 3 times.

Throughout most of Africa HIV is not even part of the AIDS definition and

HIV testing is not performed. Where it is, the standards are different in

the US. About two-thirds of Africans who have actually tested

" HIV-positive "

would test negative if their bloodwork was done in the U.S. Regardless,

the

testing is not accurate and is allegedly for antibodies. Antibodies do

not

predict death or disease. Until " AIDS " was created by the US military

(CDC), we were told antibodies signified immunity.

Africans and other third worlders have been dying by tens of millions

annually for decades. Starvation and polluted water are the real

culprits.

Despite this, Africa is growing much faster than we are. Since the start

of the

" epidemic " they've grown by 300 million -- equivalent to the entire US

population. That is the real problem. By giving AZT and other

chemotherapy drugs to pregnant women we will probably produce a

generation

of sterile Africans -- a clever solution to the population problem as no

one will even notice for 20 years, if they notice at all.

Supposedly, once you have antibodies, you have them for life. Again, if

you test negative after testing positive the Merchants of Death (MDs)

interpret to mean that your system is so shot you can longer make

antibodies, but you still have the virus. And remember this. Once the

vaccine is introduced and illegally mandated, everyone will be

" HIV-positive " and the illegitimate testing will be abandoned.

If you're not clear on the enormous fraud and lack of science supporting

the HIV/AIDS theory you will live in fear for the rest of your life and

never experience true health. As long as you give credence to any of the

HIV bullshit, from the test to the so-called " viral load, " you are in

trouble.

The disease you have to cure yourself of is diseased thinking. There are

three books, all written before the beginning of AIDS that I consider

prerequisites to be read before reading any AIDS dissident books. You've

may have read some of them already. They are:

1) " Alice in Wonderland, " by C. Carroll

2) " The Emporer's New Clothes "

3) " Confessions of a Medical Heretic, " by Mendelsohn, M.D.

Ed

In a message dated 5/12/2005 8:43:25 PM Pacific Standard Time,

happytype@... writes:

I am reading the book but the fact is that the disease keeps killing

people, even africans who never took any medicine and tested HIV

positive.

Instead of putting too much energy in changing the names in place, it is

more constructive to cure yourself. At least, if you become HIV

negative,

you won't worry about infecting someone else and go on with your life.

Sylvain

--- aidsisover@... wrote:

>

> It's similar to " Inventing the AIDS Virus, " but without the

> appendices. It names names where the latter book doesn't and just

> seemed better written.

> Like I said, I couldn't put it down, unlike " Inventing the AIDS

> Virus. "

>

> Ed

>

> In a message dated 5/12/2005 4:42:38 PM Pacific

> Standard Time,

> LebendeMaterie@... writes:

>

> > " Why We'll Never Win the War on AIDS, " by

> Duesberg and Ellison.

>

> Hello Ed. What is it all about ?

>

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Musically yours,

Sylvain Gagnon

www.sylvaingagnon.net

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