Guest guest Posted April 19, 2005 Report Share Posted April 19, 2005 Please don't leave the list, your ideas are appreciated, I too am a Christian and am very active in my Episcopal church. We have about 40% of the membership who are GLBT and 100% of the membership who are supportive of that group. If GLBT people were to be removed from my church there would be a real problem even having a service. It would include half the clergy as well as most of the ushers, acolytes, lay ministers, chalice bearers--even the office staff. If we ever said " love the sinner hate the sin " in that place the gays would leave but most or all of the straights would leave as well. " For all have sinned and fallen short " It did not mention sexual preference. The diocese has what is called Oasis Missouri which is a group of parishes who have taken special training to openly welcome GLBT people into their congregation. All Episcopal churches are welcoming but some are more inclusive than others. Our Bishop even okayed the first same sex union held in the Cathedral a couple of years ago. Their commitment was recorded in the book that has recorded weddings since the 1850's when the church started building the present Cathedral building. Perhaps this is revolutionary but it goes with the history of this church. It is the church where Luther King ended his marches in the 60's with a rousing sermon. This church has always been a rabble-rouser when it comes to peace and justice for all God's children. There is no judgment of sin there. What is sin and whether you have sinned is between you and your God. Not anyone else's business. This environment feels like home to me and the rest of the congregation D.L. Bullock Re: Re: conspiracy buffs D.L. Bullock wrote: > > I agree with most of what you said, however, it sounded to me like you > consider gay men and women to be " against nature " While this is the view of > the antiquated churchmen, it is not the view of all churchmen nor of much of > this group. Episcopal churches and others respect GLBT people and welcome > them to their worship service. I am a christian, and would welcome anyone in with open arms. I had a lesbian living withus for 2 years just recently. I did not push my view on her and she did not push her view on me. We were good friends. > > If you are straight then sex with your own sex is against your nature. If > you are gay or lesbian and you go to bed with the opposite sex THAT would be > against your nature. Let us not make judgements. I try no to judge people, but when you state your opinion, and it is not the same as others, it will appear to be judgemental, and I am not judging you. I would hug and love everyone on this site, we are all creation of I believe God, you may believe otherwise, but it does not matter in how I would treat you. AIDS is not God's revenge > for some perceived sin. God does not seek revenge, on gays or anybody else. He even loved Sadamm Husaiin (sp?)and he was a murderous creep. Gay is not against God or nature. God made some > people gay just as much as he made some blue eyed or black skinned. > > People with AIDS do not need judgment Neither do Christians and yet we get judged all the time because we are all put into a box and labeled. We are individuals too, not all christians are alike, and just because someone uses that name does not mean they even know what it means. So I am sure people do the same for homosexuals, this is life. I also train horses, I get judged all the time for my training style, but people are entitled to their opinions. especially with a new pope in place > that will do plenty of that for you and heap even more scorn in the years to > come as well as Jerry Fowlsmell and Pat Rob-em-some on TV telling people to > hate, hate, hate. Has anyone seen the lunatic Ron Parsley selling books in > his latest infomercial fund raiser as he bashes Gay and Lesbian people to > line his pockets? I was appalled. I have heard of him, he is pretty radical, and again not all christians should be judged by the ones who jump in the public eye all the time. And the same for me, I have to realize the some gay and lesbian people are idiots, but so are alot of people and that does not mean anyting about the lifesytle in general. I should have kept my thought to myself, and I am sorry if I have offended you or anyone else. I will bow out gracefully, > > D.L. Bullock > > > > > Read AIDS-Cured Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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