Re: I can't believe the mess I just read!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Guest guest]

you're welcome to join our moderated HIV=NO AIDS group. There's a link on

my homepage: _Are we being told the truth about AIDS?_

(http://hometown.aol.com/aidsisover/myhomepage/profile.html)

Ed

(on day 15 of a detox fast)

[Guest guest]

I agree, , it is now incumbent upon our moderator to put this person

on moderation and ban him if he spews this vitriol again. There is no good

reason to say the things we have heard from him.

Moderator, where are you? It is time to act while you still have a group.

I'll bet there are many fewer members here today than there were before this

venom was first vomited upon our minds. Flaming, especially this, the worst

kind of flaming cannot be tolerated by a group moderator. While some of us

are threatening to leave several already have. That is the way it works.

D.L. Bullock St. Louis>

Do you or your family have a health challenge? Put YOUR BODY'S OWN IMMUNE

SYSTEM to work for you----It is capable of repairing itself from EVERY

disease if you give it the right fuel. Visit

http://bullock.myglycostore.com <http://bullock.myglycostore.com/> to get

the right fuel

I can't believe the mess I just

read!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I agree, Tangerine. I think 's language is out of order, offensive,

shocking and abusive. I am very shocked and disappointed to see that he

feels he has to resort to such filth to get a point across, because I know,

deep down inside SOMEWHERE.... he is an intelligent person.

, I don't know if you're having a " bad moment " , and you can get mad at

me all you want, because the words I have just read from you, have made me

MAD. They are DISGUSTING, HURTFUL, RACIST and WRONG. You and I have

written to each other numerous times about our religious differences, and

it was in a peaceful manner. I can't believe these words are coming from

you!! What the heck.... what is this... niggas and spades MESS???? Why

are you telling someone to DIE??. My bible tells me, that whatever you

give out to others, you will get it back in return. Don't give something

[Guest guest]

Hi Ed,

If you don't mind me asking, what type of detox fast are you on? I'm trying

to figure out what type of detoxification method I'll use. If there's anyone

else who's had any success with a particular product, please feel free to reply.

Thanks, ita

aidsisover@... wrote:

you're welcome to join our moderated HIV=NO AIDS group. There's a link on

my homepage: _Are we being told the truth about AIDS?_

(http://hometown.aol.com/aidsisover/myhomepage/profile.html)

Ed

(on day 15 of a detox fast)

[Guest guest]

The only cleanse I've ever done is the liver cleanse. It's basically

fasting for a day and then drinking oil and lemon juice. I have heard

that the Lemonade cleanse is good and I was thinking about doing it after

the holidays for fun. I haven't gotten around to it yet.

A really good site for people who want to improve their health is:

www.waronaids.com

He addresses immune system and health issues. The site isn't always

there. I think he has bandwidth limits. It's really good though.

The fact is, even though HIV has never been proven to exist, if you test

positive for it, it's probably due to raised antibodies, which is an

indication of some sort of health issue. If you're read

Maggiore's site, she lists about 70 conditions that can perpetuate a

positive test.

Caer

>

>

> Hi Ed,

>

> If you don't mind me asking, what type of detox fast are you on? I'm

> trying to figure out what type of detoxification method I'll use. If

> there's anyone else who's had any success with a particular product,

> please feel free to reply.

> Thanks, ita

>

> aidsisover@... wrote:

> you're welcome to join our moderated HIV=NO AIDS group. There's a link

> on

> my homepage: _Are we being told the truth about AIDS?_

> (http://hometown.aol.com/aidsisover/myhomepage/profile.html)

>

> Ed

> (on day 15 of a detox fast)

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 2/10/2005 10:59:18 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,

juani2jn@... writes:

If you don't mind me asking, what type of detox fast are you on? I'm trying

to figure out what type of detoxification method I'll use. If there's anyone

else who's had any success with a particular product, please feel free to

reply.

Thanks, ita

no products. water, some juice, raw produce

[Guest guest]

I can't comment on s post(s) because I haven't

seen them. I blocked him long ago, not because of

profanity, but because he has nothing to offer. His

every post is a waste of space. I have never seen any

sign that he represents a truly sentient life force.

You do say something interesting below . You say

that you were hurt by use of the word " nigger " . If you

were hurt, you hurt yourself. Words do not cause pain.

You cause yourself to experience emotional pain when

you hear certain words. You may want to work on that.

Granted, your response is notuncommon, but neither is

it healthy or intelligent. As I learned when I was a

child, and apparently you did not, " sticks and stones

will break my bones but words will never hurt me. "

Sara

--- monica.alexander@... wrote:

>

>

> I agree, Tangerine. I think 's language is

> out of order, offensive,

> shocking and abusive. I am very shocked and

> disappointed to see that he

> feels he has to resort to such filth to get a point

> across, because I know,

> deep down inside SOMEWHERE.... he is an intelligent

> person.

>

> , I don't know if you're having a " bad moment " ,

> and you can get mad at

> me all you want, because the words I have just read

> from you, have made me

> MAD. They are DISGUSTING, HURTFUL, RACIST and

> WRONG. You and I have

> written to each other numerous times about our

> religious differences, and

> it was in a peaceful manner. I can't believe these

> words are coming from

> you!! What the heck.... what is this... niggas

> and spades MESS???? Why

> are you telling someone to DIE??. My bible tells

> me, that whatever you

> give out to others, you will get it back in return.

> Don't give something

> to others you don't want to receive back. Would

> you want someone to write

> the things you wrote to your MOTHER, or SISTER, or

> someone you LOVE?????

> You'd be so pissed!!! Well you know what, you just

> wrote GARBAGE to

> someone's child, or someone's mother. to a human

> being. I am black and

> I have been called nigger many times and, let me

> tell you it

> HURTS!!!!!!!!!! I never thought I'd see that word

> COMING FROM YOU!!!

> I'd never thought I read the filth that I read

> COMING FROM YOU!! Proverbs

> says, as a man thinks in his heart, so is he. Are

> the filthy,cruel things

> you wrote a reflection of what's inside your heart

> towards others?

>

> You are more intelligent than what you have

> displayed, or at least I

> thought you were. We all are very passionate about

> the fight of HIV,

> everyone here has been affected and hurt by this, we

> are angry by the lies

> spread, by the deaths... just like you., but I would

> NEVER, in my life,

> write the things I seen you write to another

> person.. To tell a person to

> " fucking die " , just because they don't see things

> YOUR WAY is WRONG.

> People who are a part of this group, are searching

> for support, answers,

> and information. Sometimes things can get a little

> heated and there is a

> debate, but as a grown man, you should be able to

> control yourself and

> your emotions. EVERY PERSON'S feelings and

> opinions in this group are

> important, and DESERVE to be RESPECTED!!!!!! If

> you see that you're

> getting angry than..... SIGN OFF!!!!!!

>

> We have witnessed this from you before, and again I

> know we all have had

> days, days where we're hurting, but don't take it

> out on others, and don't

> take it out here. We are all here in this group

> because we DO care, and

> we want to make a difference. We are in this fight

> WITH YOU, we are not

> your enemy. So I'm asking you not to talk to anyone

> like this again. You

> should apologize for the words you wrote. There

> is no excuse for this

> ,. No excuse whatsoever. You just went to

> far this time, .

> You just went too far!!!!

>

>

> MONICA

>

>

>

>

>

> Tangerineburton@a

>

>

> ol.com To:

> cures for AIDS

>

> cc:

>

>

> 02/09/2005 03:59

> Subject: Re: One more thing...

>

> AM

>

>

> Please respond to

>

>

> cures for AIDS

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Does anyone monitor this group? If so do you

> really want the kind of

> venemous, racist, disgusting personal attacks that

> is viciously

> pouring onto

> someone expressing their experiences? Will no-one

> else protest? Is this the

>

> way you all think? Will you allow it to go

> unchecked? I have had to write

> to

> this person seperately to let them know that this in

> no way reflects my

> views and

> that I am appalled, and frankly it makes me sicker

> than words can even say.

>

> Please people let me know how you feel about this,

> so that if you all feel

> this

> way I can take my name off of this list. I cannot be

> party to this kind of

> racism and abusive language, nor should anyone have

> to be. I have received

> SEVEN

> disgusting emails from this morning. Who will

> stop it?!

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

>

>

>

> Read AIDS-Cured

[Guest guest]

Hi Sara,

Whoever created the African proverb " sticks and stones may

break my bones, but words will never hurt me " must have been

kidding. If they were serious, they had a chronic case of

defensive denial! Just think of personal memories of growing

up and you'll know without a doubt, words did hurt and still

do. As a small child I used to scream out, " Sticks and stones

will break my bones but names will never hurt me. " I'm 35 years

old and I can honestly tell you that little childhood riddle

was a lie. Words can take the wind out of your sail, or they

can redirect your life? they can even destroy your life. Words

can also help you grow.

Let me tell you some things I've learned about words Sara.

Words have a tremendous impact. Whatever words we say should be

chosen with care because people will hear them and be

influenced by them for good or bad. People see what's on

your heart by the words that come out of your mouth. Words

have a tremendous impact on us in doing the things we do, and

in the way that we see things around us. Words can be as

harmful and hurtful to others as actions. Words are powerful

tools in shaping our relationships with our children, friends,

family, colleagues, and strangers..... they should be choosen

carefully and thoughtfully.

I'm learning when people use hurtful words I should consider

where they're comments are coming from. What's going on in

their world? I'm realizing that hurt people... hurt people.

This doesn't change what they said, but it helps me understand

the reason why they said it in the manner they did. I am

learning this is not easy. It requires a willingness to see the

way others feel, without lashing out with an angry or a hurtful

response. It requires a great deal of humility. It demands

that we swallow our pride and that we make ourselves vunerable.

In reading my letter to , I am guilty of not speaking to

him in kindness. I responded to in anger, even though I

meant what I said, it should have been worded differently, so

am apologizing to for the anger in my words.

Now, I don't know if you've been called a " nigger " or the

equivalent before to your face, but let me tell you from

personal experience, it hurts. This person intent was to

belittle, embarrass and demean me. Did it leave me severely

and emotionally wounded? No, because I know " whose " I am, and

" who " I am. Everyone is different in their strength and

self-esteem levels, maybe you can take a little more than I

can. We all have our strenghts and weakness. Yes....it hurt

me and made me angry to know the only thing this person saw in

me was... a nigger, but baby, let me tell you... I'm so much

more. Yes, I was angry that this person was bold enough to

say it to my face, but that's ok this person's world is going

to be an angry one until they change. They didn't stop me from

doing what I had to do.

Am I " unhealthy " or " not intelligent " because I admit that words have

power, the power to hurt or to heal? No, I don't think so. My experience

from the words I've said to others,and what has been said from me has

taught me to pay attention to how words and actions affect others.

Sara, this old-fashioned phrase should be re-written to read, " Sticks and

stones may break my bones, but words will diminish my self-esteem and

infect me with the disease to please, " a phrase borrowed from Oprah

Winfrey.

Be blessed

M

Sara Elbrai

<selbrai@...

cures for AIDS

m> cc:

Subject: Re: I can't

believe the mess I just read!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

02/12/2005 06:44

PM

Please respond to

cures for AIDS

I can't comment on s post(s) because I haven't

seen them. I blocked him long ago, not because of

profanity, but because he has nothing to offer. His

every post is a waste of space. I have never seen any

sign that he represents a truly sentient life force.

You do say something interesting below . You say

that you were hurt by use of the word " nigger " . If you

were hurt, you hurt yourself. Words do not cause pain.

You cause yourself to experience emotional pain when

you hear certain words. You may want to work on that.

Granted, your response is notuncommon, but neither is

it healthy or intelligent. As I learned when I was a

child, and apparently you did not, " sticks and stones

will break my bones but words will never hurt me. "

Sara

--- monica.alexander@... wrote:

>

>

> I agree, Tangerine. I think 's language is

> out of order, offensive,

> shocking and abusive. I am very shocked and

> disappointed to see that he

> feels he has to resort to such filth to get a point

> across, because I know,

> deep down inside SOMEWHERE.... he is an intelligent

> person.

>

> , I don't know if you're having a " bad moment " ,

> and you can get mad at

> me all you want, because the words I have just read

> from you, have made me

> MAD. They are DISGUSTING, HURTFUL, RACIST and

> WRONG. You and I have

> written to each other numerous times about our

> religious differences, and

> it was in a peaceful manner. I can't believe these

> words are coming from

> you!! What the heck.... what is this... niggas

> and spades MESS???? Why

> are you telling someone to DIE??. My bible tells

> me, that whatever you

> give out to others, you will get it back in return.

> Don't give something

> to others you don't want to receive back. Would

> you want someone to write

> the things you wrote to your MOTHER, or SISTER, or

> someone you LOVE?????

> You'd be so pissed!!! Well you know what, you just

> wrote GARBAGE to

> someone's child, or someone's mother. to a human

> being. I am black and

> I have been called nigger many times and, let me

> tell you it

> HURTS!!!!!!!!!! I never thought I'd see that word

> COMING FROM YOU!!!

> I'd never thought I read the filth that I read

> COMING FROM YOU!! Proverbs

> says, as a man thinks in his heart, so is he. Are

> the filthy,cruel things

> you wrote a reflection of what's inside your heart

> towards others?

>

> You are more intelligent than what you have

> displayed, or at least I

> thought you were. We all are very passionate about

> the fight of HIV,

> everyone here has been affected and hurt by this, we

> are angry by the lies

> spread, by the deaths... just like you., but I would

> NEVER, in my life,

> write the things I seen you write to another

> person.. To tell a person to

> " fucking die " , just because they don't see things

> YOUR WAY is WRONG.

> People who are a part of this group, are searching

> for support, answers,

> and information. Sometimes things can get a little

> heated and there is a

> debate, but as a grown man, you should be able to

> control yourself and

> your emotions. EVERY PERSON'S feelings and

> opinions in this group are

> important, and DESERVE to be RESPECTED!!!!!! If

> you see that you're

> getting angry than..... SIGN OFF!!!!!!

>

> We have witnessed this from you before, and again I

> know we all have had

> days, days where we're hurting, but don't take it

> out on others, and don't

> take it out here. We are all here in this group

> because we DO care, and

> we want to make a difference. We are in this fight

> WITH YOU, we are not

> your enemy. So I'm asking you not to talk to anyone

> like this again. You

> should apologize for the words you wrote. There

> is no excuse for this

> ,. No excuse whatsoever. You just went to

> far this time, .

> You just went too far!!!!

>

>

> MONICA

>

>

>

>

>

> Tangerineburton@a

>

>

> ol.com To:

> cures for AIDS

>

> cc:

>

>

> 02/09/2005 03:59

> Subject: Re: One more thing...

>

> AM

>

>

> Please respond to

>

>

> cures for AIDS

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Does anyone monitor this group? If so do you

> really want the kind of

> venemous, racist, disgusting personal attacks that

> is viciously

> pouring onto

> someone expressing their experiences? Will no-one

> else protest? Is this the

>

> way you all think? Will you allow it to go

> unchecked? I have had to write

> to

> this person seperately to let them know that this in

> no way reflects my

> views and

> that I am appalled, and frankly it makes me sicker

> than words can even say.

>

> Please people let me know how you feel about this,

> so that if you all feel

> this

> way I can take my name off of this list. I cannot be

> party to this kind of

> racism and abusive language, nor should anyone have

> to be. I have received

> SEVEN

> disgusting emails from this morning. Who will

> stop it?!

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

>

>

>

> Read AIDS-Cured

[Guest guest]

,

You are so much more!!!!!!!!!!!! We would all do well to learn from you.

That was very well said, and potent.

*hugs*

Caer

[Guest guest]

Caer,

Life is learning and we all have a lot to learn from each other. Big, Big

hugs to you, too.

M

caerfree@wisperte

l.net

cures for AIDS

cc:

02/14/2005 10:41 Subject: Re: I can't

believe the mess I just

AM read!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Please respond to

cures for AIDS

,

You are so much more!!!!!!!!!!!! We would all do well to learn from you.

That was very well said, and potent.

*hugs*

Caer

Read AIDS-Cured