RE: Re: do you think it is possible to be healed of ...what?!?

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 2/20/2005 11:47:47 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,

humansafe@... writes:

Have you read or even know of Dr. Leonard Horovitz, if you read

his hypothesis you will find that it is undeniable that there was something

that went on,

I'm familiar with Dr. Horrorwitz. He claims the US govt developed a deadly

virus (HIV). I don't doubt they may have tried, but the bumbling clowns who

dominate governmedicine aren't that clever. There is no evidence of a deadly

virus. Viruses are dead pieces of endogenous genetic debris.

I wouldn't be surprised if the government set Leonard up and planted the

info to further obfuscate the truth. He should go back to pulling teeth.

Lieb

50 years with HIV

So f*cking what?

[Guest guest]

,

I think many of us here do see it. I, for one, would like to see all med

ical dissidents form a united movement, boycotting blood donations and income

taxes (on moral/religious grounds) until we can have medicine recognized as the

(false) religion that it is, calling for the immediate deconstruction of all

the illegal, unconstitutional partnerships of government and medicine.

Ed

In a message dated 2/20/2005 11:56:25 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,

humansafe@... writes:

I am truly sorry that you do not see the havoc created by the

pharmaceuticals sanctioned by your government to those that dare defy the

law of medicine created by Machiavellian theory and perpetuated by the

Rockefellers and Bilderburgs to name a few. Ask, Dr. Boyce how many

conversions he did before they ruined his life and tossed him into jail

destroying his records, or perhaps, Ken Thiefault and why he spent five

years in jail, or maybe Norman Cowell why he only treats people he knows and

it in an undisclosed location, or even Ed McCabe how he liked being

incarcerated for two years and had his whole library of documents seized and

destroyed along with his life. If you also knew them you would maybe, just

maybe look at things differently. We try to create records, here, but have

them seized and destroyed, in the Third World but seem to have the powers

that be hire the corrupt government to silence us as soon as we get too well

known. Maybe, instead of reading and being in this country, you should take

a trip to the slums of Nairobi and see the amount of disease and pestilence

that the doctors there can not at all figure out what it is and have no

choice but to group it into the HIV category, or go to the government run

hospital and watch them waste away and choke on their own vomit by the

thousands or scream uncontrollably until their death because their brains

cook in their scull, and then you can tell me what you think it is or at

that point would you really care or stand and debate it.

[Guest guest]

:

I truly do not want to start an argument here so let me tell you this way. A

person comes in dying on a stretcher of God knows what, I really do not care

all I know is that if we do not do something they have two to three days. We

start therapy and watch them recover and go back to normal and healthy

status in six to ten weeks. Whatever it is and whatever did it I really

don't give a damn as long as that life was returned to normal, the debate

is, in my opinion, useless as to what caused it, the real debate is how can

we do more of it.

Yes, we use PCR and CD4/CD8 as markers or indicators, but they correspond

with the healing, when they go down (PCR) and up (CD4/CD8) the person

recovers at the same time and becomes healthy. It works that way every time,

coincidence, fine, I really do not care all I care is about the person's

health. What would you like me to prove, not my job, nor should it be

anybody else's. Have you been at deaths door, if you had I would think the

last thing on your mind would be the argument over whether it exists and

what is it.

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[Guest guest]

But there is a difference between AIDS and HIV. This person is asking about a

cure for HIV, which is like asking about a cure for fear. You can't cure

something that is merely a theory or belief.

If someone comes in on a stretcher, I'm going to want to cure him or her of what

he/she is really sick with. I would like you to find me a study that proves

that PCR actually correlates with healing. I have never seen one. You speak of

coincidence, , but I haven't seen that study. Seriously. I would love to

see a study, that does that. Even the creator of PCR himself, says that it's

total bunk and can not be used as a counter for anything.

Caer

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[Guest guest]

And if proof of HIV is such a moot point, what about this scenario?

A gay American man shows up in the hospital on a stretcher. Two years ago, he

was perfectly healthy. But he was diagnosed with HIV. The doctor gave him a

melee of drugs to fight said " HIV. " Suddenly, this perfectly healthy man is

tired all the time. His fat begins to redistribute in his body. He practically

looks pregnant. His legs and arms cramp constantly every night in his sleep.

Two years later, he is in the hospital because his liver is failing. Oh, his

counts are fantabulous. High CD4 and Low viral load! Yay! But he's dead from

AZT.

Is that right?

Caer

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[Guest guest]

Caer:

Yes, I am aware of all the counter writing and it does, I admit make sense.

We used to take blood samples every two weeks and noticed that as they got

better, the signature that is HIV, signature Caer goes down as the patient

gets healthier. Whatever that signature is, it is an indicator somewhat of

something leaving the body or what else could t be? I am not closed minded

like my colleagues, I believe that as a scientist anything is possible and I

take offence in doctors that are closed to any information as they profess

to be scientists. I wish that I could give you studies the ones I have left

over from the Gestapo type invasion that I underwent courtesy of our

government left me with few scattered records. However, I lived it which is

enough for myself and my other more open minded friends.

May God Bless You And Keep You Well:

Professor Ozone ()

www.ozoneuniversity.com

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Re: Re: do you think it is possible to be healed of

....what?!?

But there is a difference between AIDS and HIV. This person is asking about

a cure for HIV, which is like asking about a cure for fear. You can't cure

something that is merely a theory or belief.

If someone comes in on a stretcher, I'm going to want to cure him or her of

what he/she is really sick with. I would like you to find me a study that

proves that PCR actually correlates with healing. I have never seen one.

You speak of coincidence, , but I haven't seen that study. Seriously.

I would love to see a study, that does that. Even the creator of PCR

himself, says that it's total bunk and can not be used as a counter for

anything.

Caer

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[Guest guest]

Caer:

We would first tell him he is an idiot for listening to the doctors and also

that he should have done something when he noticed a problem. Aside from

that we would take him in and treat him of his failing liver and get rid of

the toxins that have been pumped into him still gauging his PCR, CD4/CD8 as

it is the only test other than LFT and Anti-oxidant parameters that we look

at, well a few more but not as much. The body if done right will recover

from no matter what.

May God Bless You And Keep You Well:

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Re: Re: do you think it is possible to be healed of

....what?!?

And if proof of HIV is such a moot point, what about this scenario?

A gay American man shows up in the hospital on a stretcher. Two years ago,

he was perfectly healthy. But he was diagnosed with HIV. The doctor gave

him a melee of drugs to fight said " HIV. " Suddenly, this perfectly healthy

man is tired all the time. His fat begins to redistribute in his body. He

practically looks pregnant. His legs and arms cramp constantly every night

in his sleep. Two years later, he is in the hospital because his liver is

failing. Oh, his counts are fantabulous. High CD4 and Low viral load!

Yay! But he's dead from AZT.

Is that right?

Caer

do you think it is possible to be healed of hiv?

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> Do you think that it is possible today?

> Do you think that it will ever be possible?

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> and being cured of hiv?

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[Guest guest]

But he started taking those drugs, believing in HIV, even though he was

perfectly healthy before. So does it still not matter that we debate HIV? Come

on, . It does matter. If thousands of healthy people are dying of liver

failure because they believe they have a microbe that has never been proven to

exsist, or cause AIDS... isn't the debate important then? Isn't the information

important?

We're trying to cure something that doesn't exsist.\

Caer

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[Guest guest]

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Perhaps if I knew you personally, I would be able to go for your " I've been

there. " stories. However, I don't know you. I need studies that prove what you

say. So far, I have only seen studies that pretty much disprove what you say.

If what you say is true (this is true every single time)... then it should be

fairly easy to go out there and find a study that proves it.

Caer

From: Jovan

cures for AIDS

Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2005 11:00 AM

Subject: RE: Re: do you think it is possible to be healed of

....what?!?

Caer:

Yes, I am aware of all the counter writing and it does, I admit make sense.

We used to take blood samples every two weeks and noticed that as they got

better, the signature that is HIV, signature Caer goes down as the patient

gets healthier. Whatever that signature is, it is an indicator somewhat of

something leaving the body or what else could t be? I am not closed minded

like my colleagues, I believe that as a scientist anything is possible and I

take offence in doctors that are closed to any information as they profess

to be scientists. I wish that I could give you studies the ones I have left

over from the Gestapo type invasion that I underwent courtesy of our

government left me with few scattered records. However, I lived it which is

enough for myself and my other more open minded friends.

May God Bless You And Keep You Well:

Professor Ozone ()

www.ozoneuniversity.com

professorozone@...

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Re: Re: do you think it is possible to be healed of

...what?!?

But there is a difference between AIDS and HIV. This person is asking about

a cure for HIV, which is like asking about a cure for fear. You can't cure

something that is merely a theory or belief.

If someone comes in on a stretcher, I'm going to want to cure him or her of

what he/she is really sick with. I would like you to find me a study that

proves that PCR actually correlates with healing. I have never seen one.

You speak of coincidence, , but I haven't seen that study. Seriously.

I would love to see a study, that does that. Even the creator of PCR

himself, says that it's total bunk and can not be used as a counter for

anything.

Caer

do you think it is possible to be healed of hiv?

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> How many people think that it is possible to be healed of hiv?

> Do you think that it is possible today?

> Do you think that it will ever be possible?

> Do you think that there is a difference between being healed of hiv

> and being cured of hiv?

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[Guest guest]

I am not disagreeing with you, but what I feel is that there is way too much

debate and not enough work to save those that are sick, in all disease, not

just HIV. There is something going on, I have no clue as to what it is but

something. Have you read or even know of Dr. Leonard Horovitz, if you read

his hypothesis you will find that it is undeniable that there was something

that went on, he has the proof and he has listed it thoroughly, it also

coincides with what I know from being in the heart of the so-called AIDS

highway in Africa. He is one of my closest friends and had gone through

great lengths in his research and vigilance, I would like to hope that there

was a reason for it all for his sake. If you are to read one side make sure

you also read the other. This is why I am the way I am, it is a debate that

will never stop, but not the issue, while the debate continues, we save

lives others die because we do not have the backing to get to them. To me,

every life is important and every being is allowed to have the respect of

life no matter who they are and no one is better or worse than me or you, no

matter where they are or what they believe in.

What we need to do is study what it is and at the same time get rid of it

not argue if it is.

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Re: Re: do you think it is possible to be healed of

....what?!?

But he started taking those drugs, believing in HIV, even though he was

perfectly healthy before. So does it still not matter that we debate HIV?

Come on, . It does matter. If thousands of healthy people are dying

of liver failure because they believe they have a microbe that has never

been proven to exsist, or cause AIDS... isn't the debate important then?

Isn't the information important?

We're trying to cure something that doesn't exsist.\

Caer

do you think it is possible to be healed of hiv?

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> How many people think that it is possible to be healed of hiv?

> Do you think that it is possible today?

> Do you think that it will ever be possible?

> Do you think that there is a difference between being healed of hiv

> and being cured of hiv?

>

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> Read AIDS-Cured

[Guest guest]

I am truly sorry that you do not see the havoc created by the

pharmaceuticals sanctioned by your government to those that dare defy the

law of medicine created by Machiavellian theory and perpetuated by the

Rockefellers and Bilderburgs to name a few. Ask, Dr. Boyce how many

conversions he did before they ruined his life and tossed him into jail

destroying his records, or perhaps, Ken Thiefault and why he spent five

years in jail, or maybe Norman Cowell why he only treats people he knows and

it in an undisclosed location, or even Ed McCabe how he liked being

incarcerated for two years and had his whole library of documents seized and

destroyed along with his life. If you also knew them you would maybe, just

maybe look at things differently. We try to create records, here, but have

them seized and destroyed, in the Third World but seem to have the powers

that be hire the corrupt government to silence us as soon as we get too well

known. Maybe, instead of reading and being in this country, you should take

a trip to the slums of Nairobi and see the amount of disease and pestilence

that the doctors there can not at all figure out what it is and have no

choice but to group it into the HIV category, or go to the government run

hospital and watch them waste away and choke on their own vomit by the

thousands or scream uncontrollably until their death because their brains

cook in their scull, and then you can tell me what you think it is or at

that point would you really care or stand and debate it.

May God Bless You And Keep You Well:

Professor Ozone ()

www.ozoneuniversity.com

professorozone@...

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Re: Re: do you think it is possible to be healed of

...what?!?

But there is a difference between AIDS and HIV. This person is asking

about

a cure for HIV, which is like asking about a cure for fear. You can't

cure

something that is merely a theory or belief.

If someone comes in on a stretcher, I'm going to want to cure him or her

of

what he/she is really sick with. I would like you to find me a study that

proves that PCR actually correlates with healing. I have never seen one.

You speak of coincidence, , but I haven't seen that study.

Seriously.

I would love to see a study, that does that. Even the creator of PCR

himself, says that it's total bunk and can not be used as a counter for

anything.

Caer

do you think it is possible to be healed of hiv?

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>

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> How many people think that it is possible to be healed of hiv?

> Do you think that it is possible today?

> Do you think that it will ever be possible?

> Do you think that there is a difference between being healed of hiv

> and being cured of hiv?

>

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> Read AIDS-Cured

[Guest guest]

Ed:

As Revenue Canada would tell you about me here, I support that more

wholeheartedly than you can ever imagine, we certainly need to do something

drastic and I guess the only thing they seem to understand is the dollar.

May God Bless You And Keep You Well:

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Re: Re: do you think it is possible to be healed of

....what?!?

,

I think many of us here do see it. I, for one, would like to see all med

ical dissidents form a united movement, boycotting blood donations and

income taxes (on moral/religious grounds) until we can have medicine

recognized as the

(false) religion that it is, calling for the immediate deconstruction of

all the illegal, unconstitutional partnerships of government and medicine.

Ed

In a message dated 2/20/2005 11:56:25 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,

humansafe@... writes:

I am truly sorry that you do not see the havoc created by the

pharmaceuticals sanctioned by your government to those that dare defy the

law of medicine created by Machiavellian theory and perpetuated by the

Rockefellers and Bilderburgs to name a few. Ask, Dr. Boyce how many

conversions he did before they ruined his life and tossed him into jail

destroying his records, or perhaps, Ken Thiefault and why he spent five

years in jail, or maybe Norman Cowell why he only treats people he knows

and

it in an undisclosed location, or even Ed McCabe how he liked being

incarcerated for two years and had his whole library of documents seized

and

destroyed along with his life. If you also knew them you would maybe, just

maybe look at things differently. We try to create records, here, but have

them seized and destroyed, in the Third World but seem to have the powers

that be hire the corrupt government to silence us as soon as we get too

well

known. Maybe, instead of reading and being in this country, you should take

a trip to the slums of Nairobi and see the amount of disease and pestilence

that the doctors there can not at all figure out what it is and have no

choice but to group it into the HIV category, or go to the government run

hospital and watch them waste away and choke on their own vomit by the

thousands or scream uncontrollably until their death because their brains

cook in their scull, and then you can tell me what you think it is or at

that point would you really care or stand and debate it.

[Guest guest]

Thanks for your comment, , at least I know you only care about your

f*ucking self.

May God Bless You And Keep You Well:

Professor Ozone ()

www.ozoneuniversity.com

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Re: Re: do you think it is possible to be healed of

....what?!?

In a message dated 2/20/2005 11:47:47 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,

humansafe@... writes:

Have you read or even know of Dr. Leonard Horovitz, if you read his

hypothesis you will find that it is undeniable that there was something

that went on,

I'm familiar with Dr. Horrorwitz. He claims the US govt developed a deadly

virus (HIV). I don't doubt they may have tried, but the bumbling clowns

who dominate governmedicine aren't that clever. There is no evidence of a

deadly virus. Viruses are dead pieces of endogenous genetic debris.

I wouldn't be surprised if the government set Leonard up and planted the

info to further obfuscate the truth. He should go back to pulling teeth.

Lieb

50 years with HIV

So f*cking what?

[Guest guest]

You sound like a very angry person (that's going to make you sick no matter

how much urine you drink). You are NEVER going to help anyone with your " know

it all " attitude! don't bother to answer me, I don't really care for your

sarcasm. STOP being so bitter and try to understand people that are reaching

out in this group! some of us read this site for real information. Get a life.

[Guest guest]

:

I am beginning to think that you are a bit off, good grief, what gave you

the idea that I am a pharmacy trained individual, quite the opposite, but I

do not take sides, I am a scientist, an observer, I report and base what I

do on what I see with my own eyes, I did not believe like most of you what

the media and the government was telling me so I closed up shop and went to

see for myself. I am talking from 5 years of work in the country and not in

the tourist areas as they reek of establishment desire and are perverted. I

learned the language and put myself in the epicentre.

What have you done to get the truth, sat and read and read and got angry and

blasted while being in a state of depression or aggravation, do not judge

me, you do not have the tools needed, nor should you judge anyone other than

those that abuse you.

Which manipulators are you talking about the ones that sit in their comfy

houses belting out verbal diarrhoea or the ones that go and asses the

problem and get involved hand's on?

Finally, broader education, sorry, I don't want to know anymore, the more I

learn the more I am disgusted. Watch your degrading attitude of

Afro-American's as they might sneak up and give you the bitch-slapping of a

lifetime, just some free advise for the good of your general health!

May God Bless You And Keep You Well:

Professor Ozone ()

www.ozoneuniversity.com

professorozone@...

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[Guest guest]

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Are t-cells one of your markers? It is my understanding that t-cells are a

body-initiated response to toxicity and not a marker for health or disease

progression. The largest orthodox study, the Concorde study (back around 1993)

and others came to this same conclusion. The average person is overly

acidic and highly toxic and may have counts in the 700 - 1000 range, but truly

healthy, clean people can have counts well below 200 -- which is AIDS defining

in the US. Are you saying they are a marker for health?

Ed

In a message dated 2/21/2005 11:52:34 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,

humansafe@... writes:

We use the markers as an indicator of how their health is progressing

because the two coincide, people are not the best indicator, mentally of

physically as you would know, they can fool you. There s also a plethora f

psychology going on and we do need a reference that is not hindered by

anything other than the body's system response.

[Guest guest]

,

You danced around my question without actually answering it quite adeptly. It

does seem like you try to heal people who are actually sick, which is good.

However, if health is a good enough marker, and the HIV debate doesn't matter

that much to you, then why are you in it? Also.. why are you wasting time

monitoring viral loads and T4 cells? Isn't it enough that your patient is

getting better?

As to your stories of slums in Nairobi and such... shock away if you feel like

it. The fact is, if I went down there and was swimming in African vomit and

holding three dying babies on each arm, you're still not going to see me blaming

it on HIV without PROOF! It still looks like poverty and smells like poverty to

me.

I did notice, that though the media is crying 57% more AIDS in Africa... the

death trends don't seem any different than twenty-five years ago, taking into

account population growth in general.

Still needing the proof there.

Caer

PS. , I will look into Dr. Horrovitz (sp) information, but so far, he

seems a little to much like a conspiracy theorist to me. Still, I need to

research.

The fact is, I do read both sides.

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> How many people think that it is possible to be healed of hiv?

> Do you think that it is possible today?

> Do you think that it will ever be possible?

> Do you think that there is a difference between being healed of hiv

> and being cured of hiv?

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[Guest guest]

No , it is misleading to use t-cells as a surrogate marker for health,

the way the AIDS quacks (and some on this list) are doing. There is no virus

killing t-cells. The lack of t-cells in AIDS victims is a result of

destroyed thymus glands and bone marrow.

Ed

In a message dated 2/22/2005 3:04:16 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,

kevin@... writes:

Ed,

You know very well that Olympic athletes and their less than 200 t cell

counts are not the general population. As far as I'm concerned an Olympic

athlete had to earn such t cell counts and it's misleading what you are

saying about t cell counts.

[Guest guest]

Caer:

We use the markers as an indicator of how their health is progressing

because the two coincide, people are not the best indicator, mentally of

physically as you would know, they can fool you. There s also a plethora f

psychology going on and we do need a reference that is not hindered by

anything other than the body's system response.

Let me clear it up again for you, in my opinion, I believe that there are a

number of different , for lack of a better word, diseases hitting these

people, as I see it, we are all at a loss as to what they are, the doctors

and those that have big egos have decided to group them into HIV/AIDS and

when told the symptamolgy is different they just call them different strains

to make it convenient and save face. I really do not care what they are as a

name, it is irrelevant, however I am convinced that they are real and

growing, whether by sexual means, or any other you may want to think of,

even osmosis and mosquito transmission. I also know that we have taken

everyone of them and others that exist be they Rift Valley Fever, malaria or

Hep C and to a point created a reversal so in that respect I do not care

what it is but find it criminal to keep it going and very pompous to debate

like Lords while a person dies every 8 seconds in Africa from whatever it

may be.

Congratulations, I am grateful that you swam in vomit and held babies, did

you do anything other than that or just expose yourself to the horror? Your

observation of what the killing force is the difference between a personal

and professional opinion and I thank you for sharing. I find it difficult to

debate that point with you other than to tell you that poverty exists in all

parts of the world without the sickness seen in that area.

It would all depend on where you got the statistics and who gathered them

and gave them to you. I have a friend in Africa that will turn over any

statistic you want if you pay for his mother's gall bladder operation, he

will even give it to you on WHO paper if you want and have it certified,

Funny place Africa.

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Re: Re: do you think it is possible to be healed of

....what?!?

,

You danced around my question without actually answering it quite adeptly.

It does seem like you try to heal people who are actually sick, which is

good. However, if health is a good enough marker, and the HIV debate

doesn't matter that much to you, then why are you in it? Also.. why are you

wasting time monitoring viral loads and T4 cells? Isn't it enough that your

patient is getting better?

As to your stories of slums in Nairobi and such... shock away if you feel

like it. The fact is, if I went down there and was swimming in African

vomit and holding three dying babies on each arm, you're still not going to

see me blaming it on HIV without PROOF! It still looks like poverty and

smells like poverty to me.

I did notice, that though the media is crying 57% more AIDS in Africa... the

death trends don't seem any different than twenty-five years ago, taking

into account population growth in general.

Still needing the proof there.

Caer

PS. , I will look into Dr. Horrovitz (sp) information, but so far, he

seems a little to much like a conspiracy theorist to me. Still, I need to

research.

The fact is, I do read both sides.

do you think it is possible to be healed of

hiv?

>

>

>

>

> How many people think that it is possible to be healed of hiv?

> Do you think that it is possible today?

> Do you think that it will ever be possible?

> Do you think that there is a difference between being healed of hiv

> and being cured of hiv?

>

>

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> Read AIDS-Cured

[Guest guest]

Ed,

You know very well that Olympic athletes and their less than 200 t cell

counts are not the general population. As far as I'm concerned an Olympic

athlete had to earn such t cell counts and it's misleading what you are

saying about t cell counts.

Re: Re: do you think it is possible to be healed of

....what?!?

>

>

> ,

> Are t-cells one of your markers? It is my understanding that t-cells are

a

> body-initiated response to toxicity and not a marker for health or disease

> progression. The largest orthodox study, the Concorde study (back around

1993)

> and others came to this same conclusion. The average person is overly

> acidic and highly toxic and may have counts in the 700 - 1000 range, but

truly

> healthy, clean people can have counts well below 200 -- which is AIDS

defining

> in the US. Are you saying they are a marker for health?

> Ed

>

> In a message dated 2/21/2005 11:52:34 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,

> humansafe@... writes:

>

> We use the markers as an indicator of how their health is progressing

> because the two coincide, people are not the best indicator, mentally of

> physically as you would know, they can fool you. There s also a plethora

f

> psychology going on and we do need a reference that is not hindered by

> anything other than the body's system response.

>

>

>

>

>

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>

[Guest guest]

So Ed,

Why don't you tell us how to regenerate and repair the thymus gland and

cleanse the bone marrow .... and hence normalize t cell counts ....

Re: Re: do you think it is possible to be healed of

....what?!?

>

>

> No , it is misleading to use t-cells as a surrogate marker for

health,

> the way the AIDS quacks (and some on this list) are doing. There is no

virus

> killing t-cells. The lack of t-cells in AIDS victims is a result of

> destroyed thymus glands and bone marrow.

>

> Ed

>

> In a message dated 2/22/2005 3:04:16 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,

> kevin@... writes:

>

>

> Ed,

>

> You know very well that Olympic athletes and their less than 200 t cell

> counts are not the general population. As far as I'm concerned an

Olympic

> athlete had to earn such t cell counts and it's misleading what you are

> saying about t cell counts.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

,

Once again, you evaded the question. Wow you're good at that. Still waiting

for proof. In the meantime, I'll keep my hat pinned on say... getting food to

those dying Africans.

Caer

do you think it is possible to be healed of

hiv?

>

>

>

>

> How many people think that it is possible to be healed of hiv?

> Do you think that it is possible today?

> Do you think that it will ever be possible?

> Do you think that there is a difference between being healed of hiv

> and being cured of hiv?

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Read AIDS-Cured

[Guest guest]

Dude, there has got to be a way to get rid of that stupid Wednesday Letter

thing. Is there a moderator around? Can we stop this? It's ultra annoying.

Caer

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[Guest guest]

Caer:

What proof do you need, my friend? I am certainly not evading, this is a

discussion and I am discussing!

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Re: Re: do you think it is possible to be healed of

....what?!?

,

Once again, you evaded the question. Wow you're good at that. Still

waiting for proof. In the meantime, I'll keep my hat pinned on say...

getting food to those dying Africans.

Caer

do you think it is possible to be healed of

hiv?

>

>

>

>

> How many people think that it is possible to be healed of hiv?

> Do you think that it is possible today?

> Do you think that it will ever be possible?

> Do you think that there is a difference between being healed of

hiv

> and being cured of hiv?

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Read AIDS-Cured

[Guest guest]

Ed:

Hey again I am not saying that the thought of AIDS is right or wrong no

matter how much you try and push me into it, what I am saying is the

following: In OUR, let me emphasize the OUR to make sure you are listening,

not the pharmaceutical or quasi alternative that you may think is any

better, but OUR, got it! We have noticed that the state of the general body

coincides with two main markers, there are others but two that are MAN, one

being CD4/CD8, well, actually more CD8 and viral load, so we use them to our

advantage. In my opinion, I truly do not give two hoots as to what they

represent or whether they are right or wrong, all I care about is that they

are giving me a chemical diagnosis f the state of that carbon made water

cooled engine and nothing else. Clear enough for you? To back your comment,

I have seen truly healthy people with CD$ counts of 200, but then again

there are a lot of other CD's that are involved in the function of the body

and I find it unnecessary just to look at CD4/CD8 as they are only a part of

the indicators, what about CD56 or phagocytes for that matter, I could go on

but I am sure you have thought of that!

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Re: Re: do you think it is possible to be healed of

....what?!?

,

Are t-cells one of your markers? It is my understanding that t-cells are a

body-initiated response to toxicity and not a marker for health or disease

progression. The largest orthodox study, the Concorde study (back around

1993) and others came to this same conclusion. The average person is

overly acidic and highly toxic and may have counts in the 700 - 1000 range,

but truly healthy, clean people can have counts well below 200 -- which is

AIDS defining in the US. Are you saying they are a marker for health?

Ed

In a message dated 2/21/2005 11:52:34 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,

humansafe@... writes:

We use the markers as an indicator of how their health is progressing

because the two coincide, people are not the best indicator, mentally of

physically as you would know, they can fool you. There s also a plethora f

psychology going on and we do need a reference that is not hindered by

anything other than the body's system response.