Guest guest Posted September 12, 2003 Report Share Posted September 12, 2003 Hi Gypsy Rose: Welcome to the club. How wonderful of you to still be with your boyfriend even after he told you he was positive.My past boyfriend broke up with me for the very same reason.--Oh well, his loss. Do I think that the immune system is compromised from HIV. Well that's the two BILLION dollar question. One that I do not believe you will find a straight and coherent answer to on this site.You will get lots of opinions that's for certain. My opinion which has been formulated over twenty years is yes. Is HIV sexually transmitted? I'm still on the fence with that question. If it was then there should be allot more dead people than there are and AIDS should have spread to more than High risk groups.Although if you have read Tomy's posts about the mass deaths in Africa(Zimbabwe) than that points to a different story.As to your sex question, I find myself being celibate for the simple fact of not having to deal with the social stigma and stress that admitting to someone you are HIV positive brings.New websites like (positive personals.com )hold out some hope of maybe getting me back into the dating game.It still comes down to the fact that both people are responsible for themselves regarding so called safe sex. I still say there should be allot of dead porn stars-escorts etc.who have not until recently been using condoms. Well Gypsy, looking forward to reading more posts from you till then I hope your boyfriend is good to you. You sound like a great gal....Mike Just Joining in I decided to join in on this group because of my interest in hiv and aids. I took a test in April of this year and was negative. I have a boyfriend who is positive. We have been together for a year. I have always had an interest in alternative medicines and cures. That's why when we met, and he told me his story and that he took meds for a short time and decided to go the alternative route I was very supportive. I chose to love him despite the prognosis because everyone has a prognosis of some sort. We're not going to get off of this earth alive. All we can do is live for now. I do have some questions. HIV- is the immune system compromised or not? I kinda side with Tommy with that question, because if it is not then why all the natural remedies etc? Is HIV sexually transmitted? I know everyone has their own opinion. And another BIG question I haven't seen mentioned SEX- I am reading about the condoms being a problem. Is everyone being celibate or what? I want to know how some of you (that want to talk about it)are being safe. I'll just call myself, gypsy rose Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 12, 2003 Report Share Posted September 12, 2003 Please stop sending me things from cures for AIDS.I no longer want anything from anyone from cures for AIDS Please stop no.I don't need my mailbox full everyday,AND I DON'T HAVE AIDS Thank you for not sending me anything eles MICHAEL SPINA <mike705@...> wrote:Hi Gypsy Rose: Welcome to the club. How wonderful of you to still be with your boyfriend even after he told you he was positive.My past boyfriend broke up with me for the very same reason.--Oh well, his loss. Do I think that the immune system is compromised from HIV. Well that's the two BILLION dollar question. One that I do not believe you will find a straight and coherent answer to on this site.You will get lots of opinions that's for certain. My opinion which has been formulated over twenty years is yes. Is HIV sexually transmitted? I'm still on the fence with that question. If it was then there should be allot more dead people than there are and AIDS should have spread to more than High risk groups.Although if you have read Tomy's posts about the mass deaths in Africa(Zimbabwe) than that points to a different story.As to your sex question, I find myself being celibate for the simple fact of not having to deal with the social stigma and stress that admitting to someone you are HIV positive brings.New websites like (positive personals.com )hold out some hope of maybe getting me back into the dating game.It still comes down to the fact that both people are responsible for themselves regarding so called safe sex. I still say there should be allot of dead porn stars-escorts etc.who have not until recently been using condoms. Well Gypsy, looking forward to reading more posts from you till then I hope your boyfriend is good to you. You sound like a great gal....Mike Just Joining in I decided to join in on this group because of my interest in hiv and aids. I took a test in April of this year and was negative. I have a boyfriend who is positive. We have been together for a year. I have always had an interest in alternative medicines and cures. That's why when we met, and he told me his story and that he took meds for a short time and decided to go the alternative route I was very supportive. I chose to love him despite the prognosis because everyone has a prognosis of some sort. We're not going to get off of this earth alive. All we can do is live for now. I do have some questions. HIV- is the immune system compromised or not? I kinda side with Tommy with that question, because if it is not then why all the natural remedies etc? Is HIV sexually transmitted? I know everyone has their own opinion. And another BIG question I haven't seen mentioned SEX- I am reading about the condoms being a problem. Is everyone being celibate or what? I want to know how some of you (that want to talk about it)are being safe. I'll just call myself, gypsy rose Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 12, 2003 Report Share Posted September 12, 2003 Stop sending me stuff please. healthyself2 <healthyself2@...> wrote:I decided to join in on this group because of my interest in hiv and aids. I took a test in April of this year and was negative. I have a boyfriend who is positive. We have been together for a year. I have always had an interest in alternative medicines and cures. That's why when we met, and he told me his story and that he took meds for a short time and decided to go the alternative route I was very supportive. I chose to love him despite the prognosis because everyone has a prognosis of some sort. We're not going to get off of this earth alive. All we can do is live for now. I do have some questions. HIV- is the immune system compromised or not? I kinda side with Tommy with that question, because if it is not then why all the natural remedies etc? Is HIV sexually transmitted? I know everyone has their own opinion. And another BIG question I haven't seen mentioned SEX- I am reading about the condoms being a problem. Is everyone being celibate or what? I want to know how some of you (that want to talk about it)are being safe. I'll just call myself, gypsy rose Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 12, 2003 Report Share Posted September 12, 2003 , If you don't care to receive information from the 'AIDSCured' eGroup, just go there and unsubscribe ( or preferably change your email delivery preference to 'none' ..that way if you have a friend that might like to read some of the postings ( at some later date..) s/he will be able to ). - melissa hoag <hawaii101us@...> wrote: Please stop sending me things from cures for AIDS.I no longer want anything from anyone from cures for AIDS Please stop no.I don't need my mailbox full everyday,AND I DON'T HAVE AIDS Thank you for not sending me anything eles MICHAEL SPINA <mike705@...> wrote:Hi Gypsy Rose: Welcome to the club. How wonderful of you to still be with your boyfriend even after he told you he was positive.My past boyfriend broke up with me for the very same reason.--Oh well, his loss. Do I think that the immune system is compromised from HIV. Well that's the two BILLION dollar question. One that I do not believe you will find a straight and coherent answer to on this site.You will get lots of opinions that's for certain. My opinion which has been formulated over twenty years is yes. Is HIV sexually transmitted? I'm still on the fence with that question. If it was then there should be allot more dead people than there are and AIDS should have spread to more than High risk groups.Although if you have read Tomy's posts about the mass deaths in Africa(Zimbabwe) than that points to a different story.As to your sex question, I find myself being celibate for the simple fact of not having to deal with the social stigma and stress that admitting to someone you are HIV positive brings.New websites like (positive personals.com )hold out some hope of maybe getting me back into the dating game.It still comes down to the fact that both people are responsible for themselves regarding so called safe sex. I still say there should be allot of dead porn stars-escorts etc.who have not until recently been using condoms. Well Gypsy, looking forward to reading more posts from you till then I hope your boyfriend is good to you. You sound like a great gal....Mike Just Joining in I decided to join in on this group because of my interest in hiv and aids. I took a test in April of this year and was negative. I have a boyfriend who is positive. We have been together for a year. I have always had an interest in alternative medicines and cures. That's why when we met, and he told me his story and that he took meds for a short time and decided to go the alternative route I was very supportive. I chose to love him despite the prognosis because everyone has a prognosis of some sort. We're not going to get off of this earth alive. All we can do is live for now. I do have some questions. HIV- is the immune system compromised or not? I kinda side with Tommy with that question, because if it is not then why all the natural remedies etc? Is HIV sexually transmitted? I know everyone has their own opinion. And another BIG question I haven't seen mentioned SEX- I am reading about the condoms being a problem. Is everyone being celibate or what? I want to know how some of you (that want to talk about it)are being safe. I'll just call myself, gypsy rose Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 12, 2003 Report Share Posted September 12, 2003 Hi Gypsy! Yes, we've had a lot more debate on this list than usual... so much that I can't keep up. I'm very very glad that you still stay with your boyfriend and love him. It raises you above about 5 billion cowards in my opinion. I'm lucky enough to have a boyfriend, who, though he is on the dissident side, also doesn't give a flying rat's behind if I'm positive or not. We have unsafe sex, though we avoid pregnancy. I guess I can tell you that all my experience has been good. I've taken care of the problem that I think made me positive in the first place. When I have enough money, I'll get an anon retest to see. is right. There are a lot of opinions flying around and I think the first thing you should do is some dissident research to get a good base of dissident knowledge to pit against the mainstream. Here are some books I would recommend: " What if Everything You Thought You Knew About AIDS was Wrong " Maggiore " Inventing the AIDS Virus " Duesberg " AIDS, a Second Opinion " Null I don't really believe that HIV can exist, but I'm not sure. One way or another, I'm positive that it is not a 'virus that causes AIDS'. All my research and experience tells me otherwise. Though in some ways I'd like to be ten years or 30 years older so I could tell you that I'm X years positive and not sick, there are plenty of people on this board who are. We also have a couple of people who have been quite sick as well. On the other hand, I'm thoroughly enjoying being young and besides curiosity and the need to learn more, this diagnosis really doesn't bother me. It's never going to be a part of my life and if I get sick, I have a homeopathic doctor who will treat me like a human being. He's never lost a patient yet, so I'm confident. When you've sifted through as much information as you can, you will most definitely have questions. You can go to [http://www.virusmyth.com]www.virusmyth.com and use their search engine to find much literature on most anything. Good luck in your quest for a better understanding. Our opinions are great, but listen to your own heart and to your reason. And for god's sake, don't get tested unless you do it anonomously. You don't need the added pressure of being on the dreaded " list " . It's a pain in the ass and you'll lose your health insurance. You can go to [http://www.aliveandwell.org]www.aliveandwell.org as well. Her book is the cheapest though, so it's a good investment. Good luck. Caer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 12, 2003 Report Share Posted September 12, 2003 " HIV- is the immune system compromised or not? " No. Not necessarily. This test does not test for that. " then why all the natural remedies etc? " Fear. Lack of insight into what having an 'hiv positive' test result really means. " Is HIV sexually transmitted? " No. Not in all likelyhood. 'Hiv' has never been detected in sperm ( nor breast milk, I should add). " e condoms being a problem. Is everyone being celibate or what? " Not on Your life. And there's a whole new generation out there that don't believe 'it' and are finally coming around and embracing the concept of good, clean, healthy, safe and responsible friendly sex ( by 'The New Definition' of ; " I love me. So I won't do anything to hurt either one of us. Just like you. However..I don't feel there's a need to wrap myself in rubber and cause dis-association. I'm as healthy as you are... " ) The unasked question in your communication to this group is " Why is everyone taking pills and potions if they're not sick? " The answer to that is that they don't have enough faith in themselves and their bodies... Here are some links that it might help you to read, regarding the 'plain bad science' of " hiv disease " ; " Can You Really Trust The " AIDS " Test? " at; http://www.virusmyth.net/aids/data/chjtests1.htm " Viral Load Of Cr@p " at ; http://www.virusmyth.net/aids/data/chjppcrap.htm " HIV and Breastfeeding " at ; http://www.virusmyth.net/aids/data/cfbreast.htm Other writings on the subject may be found at http://www.virusmyth.org , http://www.aidsmythexposed.com , cures for AIDS/ and http://www.aliveandwell.com Take care, - I decided to join in on this group because of my interest in hiv and aids. I took a test in April of this year and was negative. I have a boyfriend who is positive. We have been together for a year. I have always had an interest in alternative medicines and cures. That's why when we met, and he told me his story and that he took meds for a short time and decided to go the alternative route I was very supportive. I chose to love him despite the prognosis because everyone has a prognosis of some sort. We're not going to get off of this earth alive. All we can do is live for now. I do have some questions. HIV- is the immune system compromised or not? I kinda side with Tommy with that question, because if it is not then why all the natural remedies etc? Is HIV sexually transmitted? I know everyone has their own opinion. And another BIG question I haven't seen mentioned SEX- I am reading about the condoms being a problem. Is everyone being celibate or what? I want to know how some of you (that want to talk about it)are being safe. I'll just call myself, gypsy rose Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 13, 2003 Report Share Posted September 13, 2003 <snip> Do I think that the immune system is compromised from HIV. Well that's the two BILLION dollar question. One that I do not believe you will find a straight and coherent answer to on this site.You will get lots of opinions that's for certain. My opinion which has been formulated over twenty years is yes. <snip> =================================================================== Or perhaps one tests positive because one has a compromised immune system? There can certainly be other causes of immune dysfunction. Have you ever known a heavy smoker? I used to work with one and she was constantly coming down with colds, flu and bronchitis. Why? Well, it's known that smoking depletes the body's oxygen and most bacteria thrive in an oxygen-poor environment. Smoking also depletes vitamins-- particularly vitamin C. Toxic environments, diet and other undiagnosed diseases may be responsible for immune dysfunction. It's impossible to know if these could be responsible for testing sero-positive and we will probably never know, since none of the " brilliant minds " out there have ever thought of studying this. Or perhaps they have, but there are no funds available. Some number of years ago, I saw a report on one of the magazine programs--I think it was 60 Minutes, where scientists who were unconvinced that the HIV+ = AIDS theory was correct, were bemoaning the lack of funds to do any type of research. Lana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 13, 2003 Report Share Posted September 13, 2003 Hi Mike and everyone Thanks for responding to my email. When I first learned of my boyfriends status(which he wasn't my boyfriend at the time) I was devastated. He told me 2 days after I met him. Mind you, we had gotten very close the 1st two days. I was worried about how to tell him I had herpes. So while I was agonizing on how to do that he was agonizing on telling me his news.The first 2 days of our meeting made me feel as if we knew each other a lot longer. You know how it is when you meet someone like that and the conversation just flowed and the vibes just flowed and our new found friendship seemed very promising. Anyway....though devastated, I continued to see him. I told him I didn't think I was ready to be in a serious relationship with him, but I did want to be friends. He shared with me virusmyth.com and all of the other dissident groups and thoughts. I was very interested because I am of the belief that the body can heal itself, and I also realize that the medical establishment, though necessary, has it's own agenda. I am very open to alternative medicine, healthy living etc. I was scared at first and didn't think I could have a relationship with him. But again, I knew there was a reason we met because of the way it all happened. I went to get an hiv test in Georgia where it is still anonymous. I was negative. We started slipping on safe sex Jan1st of this year. I took a test in April to get new insurance. I was a bit nervous because I knew if I was positive I would be on every databank in my state, I was negative. I don't think I will be taking anymore tests, but if I do, it will definitely be anonymous. I've said all of that to say this. There are times that I am concerned about transmission. I can't help that. I have chosen my path and for me it is more important to be in a positive, loving, and mutually caring relationship. Together, we look up as much information as we can find on the dissident end. I know I am a rare find for him, but we were put in each others lives to team up and make changes, and make a difference and live happily ever after. That is our lifes mission even if we were single.How wonderful it is to have someone special to love on the journey Mission is not Impossible. Everyone Be Blessed, Gypsy Rose PINA <mike705@...> wrote: Hi Gypsy Rose: Welcome to the club. How wonderful of you to still be with your boyfriend even after he told you he was positive.My past boyfriend broke up with me for the very same reason.--Oh well, his loss. Do I think that the immune system is compromised from HIV. Well that's the two BILLION dollar question. One that I do not believe you will find a straight and coherent answer to on this site.You will get lots of opinions that's for certain. My opinion which has been formulated over twenty years is yes. Is HIV sexually transmitted? I'm still on the fence with that question. If it was then there should be allot more dead people than there are and AIDS should have spread to more than High risk groups.Although if you have read Tomy's posts about the mass deaths in Africa(Zimbabwe) than that points to a different story.As to your sex question, I find myself being celibate for the simple fact of not having to deal with the social stigma and stress that admitting to someone you are HIV positive brings.New websites like (positive personals.com )hold out some hope of maybe getting me back into the dating game.It still comes down to the fact that both people are responsible for themselves regarding so called safe sex. I still say there should be allot of dead porn stars-escorts etc.who have not until recently been using condoms. Well Gypsy, looking forward to reading more posts from you till then I hope your boyfriend is good to you. You sound like a great gal....Mike Just Joining in I decided to join in on this group because of my interest in hiv and aids. I took a test in April of this year and was negative. I have a boyfriend who is positive. We have been together for a year. I have always had an interest in alternative medicines and cures. That's why when we met, and he told me his story and that he took meds for a short time and decided to go the alternative route I was very supportive. I chose to love him despite the prognosis because everyone has a prognosis of some sort. We're not going to get off of this earth alive. All we can do is live for now. I do have some questions. HIV- is the immune system compromised or not? I kinda side with Tommy with that question, because if it is not then why all the natural remedies etc? Is HIV sexually transmitted? I know everyone has their own opinion. And another BIG question I haven't seen mentioned SEX- I am reading about the condoms being a problem. Is everyone being celibate or what? I want to know how some of you (that want to talk about it)are being safe. I'll just call myself, gypsy rose Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 13, 2003 Report Share Posted September 13, 2003 Hi Gypsy Rose... I get cold sores ( herpes simplex ), but only in times of STRESS. Several of the B Vitamins are essential. It's the same for Herpes complex..here's a link ; http://www.couplescompany.com/Jungle/TED/herpes2.htm As for medicine's 'Bigfoot Loch Ness Monster hiv'...you should both be taking a LOT of Vitamin C to remain strong and healthy, o Giraldo's website for good info. ; http://www.robertogiraldo.com/eng/Websites.html#alternative - ( enjoy each other! ) Hi Mike and everyone Thanks for responding to my email. When I first learned of my boyfriends status(which he wasn't my boyfriend at the time) I was devastated. He told me 2 days after I met him. Mind you, we had gotten very close the 1st two days. I was worried about how to tell him I had herpes. So while I was agonizing on how to do that he was agonizing on telling me his news.The first 2 days of our meeting made me feel as if we knew each other a lot longer. You know how it is when you meet someone like that and the conversation just flowed and the vibes just flowed and our new found friendship seemed very promising. Anyway....though devastated, I continued to see him. I told him I didn't think I was ready to be in a serious relationship with him, but I did want to be friends. He shared with me virusmyth.com and all of the other dissident groups and thoughts. I was very interested because I am of the belief that the body can heal itself, and I also realize that the medical establishment, though necessary, has it's own agenda. I am very open to alternative medicine, healthy living etc. I was scared at first and didn't think I could have a relationship with him. But again, I knew there was a reason we met because of the way it all happened. I went to get an hiv test in Georgia where it is still anonymous. I was negative. We started slipping on safe sex Jan1st of this year. I took a test in April to get new insurance. I was a bit nervous because I knew if I was positive I would be on every databank in my state, I was negative. I don't think I will be taking anymore tests, but if I do, it will definitely be anonymous. I've said all of that to say this. There are times that I am concerned about transmission. I can't help that. I have chosen my path and for me it is more important to be in a positive, loving, and mutually caring relationship. Together, we look up as much information as we can find on the dissident end. I know I am a rare find for him, but we were put in each others lives to team up and make changes, and make a difference and live happily ever after. That is our lifes mission even if we were single.How wonderful it is to have someone special to love on the journey Mission is not Impossible. Everyone Be Blessed, Gypsy Rose PINA <mike705@...> wrote: Hi Gypsy Rose: Welcome to the club. How wonderful of you to still be with your boyfriend even after he told you he was positive.My past boyfriend broke up with me for the very same reason.--Oh well, his loss. Do I think that the immune system is compromised from HIV. Well that's the two BILLION dollar question. One that I do not believe you will find a straight and coherent answer to on this site.You will get lots of opinions that's for certain. My opinion which has been formulated over twenty years is yes. Is HIV sexually transmitted? I'm still on the fence with that question. If it was then there should be allot more dead people than there are and AIDS should have spread to more than High risk groups.Although if you have read Tomy's posts about the mass deaths in Africa(Zimbabwe) than that points to a different story.As to your sex question, I find myself being celibate for the simple fact of not having to deal with the social stigma and stress that admitting to someone you are HIV positive brings.New websites like (positive personals.com )hold out some hope of maybe getting me back into the dating game.It still comes down to the fact that both people are responsible for themselves regarding so called safe sex. I still say there should be allot of dead porn stars-escorts etc.who have not until recently been using condoms. Well Gypsy, looking forward to reading more posts from you till then I hope your boyfriend is good to you. You sound like a great gal....Mike Just Joining in I decided to join in on this group because of my interest in hiv and aids. I took a test in April of this year and was negative. I have a boyfriend who is positive. We have been together for a year. I have always had an interest in alternative medicines and cures. That's why when we met, and he told me his story and that he took meds for a short time and decided to go the alternative route I was very supportive. I chose to love him despite the prognosis because everyone has a prognosis of some sort. We're not going to get off of this earth alive. All we can do is live for now. I do have some questions. HIV- is the immune system compromised or not? I kinda side with Tommy with that question, because if it is not then why all the natural remedies etc? Is HIV sexually transmitted? I know everyone has their own opinion. And another BIG question I haven't seen mentioned SEX- I am reading about the condoms being a problem. Is everyone being celibate or what? I want to know how some of you (that want to talk about it)are being safe. 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Guest guest Posted September 16, 2003 Report Share Posted September 16, 2003 Gypsy Rose... Q: " HIV- is the immune system compromised or not? " A: Not by 'HIV'...the immune system can only be compromised by BELIEF in a fiction...not by the fiction itself. - ( U.S.A. ) healthyself2 <healthyself2@...> wrote: I decided to join in on this group because of my interest in hiv and aids. I took a test in April of this year and was negative. I have a boyfriend who is positive. We have been together for a year. I have always had an interest in alternative medicines and cures. That's why when we met, and he told me his story and that he took meds for a short time and decided to go the alternative route I was very supportive. I chose to love him despite the prognosis because everyone has a prognosis of some sort. We're not going to get off of this earth alive. All we can do is live for now. I do have some questions. HIV- is the immune system compromised or not? I kinda side with Tommy with that question, because if it is not then why all the natural remedies etc? Is HIV sexually transmitted? I know everyone has their own opinion. And another BIG question I haven't seen mentioned SEX- I am reading about the condoms being a problem. Is everyone being celibate or what? I want to know how some of you (that want to talk about it)are being safe. I'll just call myself, gypsy rose Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 16, 2003 Report Share Posted September 16, 2003 --- In cures for AIDS > Gypsy Rose... > > Q: " HIV- is the immune system compromised or not? " > A: Not by 'HIV'...the immune system can only be compromised by > BELIEF in a fiction...not by the fiction itself. > > - Gypsy Rose and , Immune deficiency or compromise is a sort of loose definition. Within the philosophy[alternative theories of diagnosis] and practise [alternative therapies of treatment] of Alternative Medicine or Health-- ALL ILLNESS could be said to be the result of immune deficiency or compromise, to varying degrees. Testing 'HIV' positive, may either indicate past exposure, current immunity to certain conditions that continue to produce antibodies, indicating in many cases, that your body has launched an immune response and is protected from further attack by those micro-organizms; or it may mean you are currently exposed and expressing any of the 60+ documented " cross-reactors " from the flu to much more serious conditions. If you are going to say someone with the flu is immune compromised or deficient, then you would have to say all people with the flu, whether they test 'HIV' positive or not, are also. One thing that is for certain, to those who are unable to place their faith and hope in immune suficiency and sustainability, absent the burden of proof to the contrary, will suffer the psycho- neuroimmunologic effects of the misdiagnosis. This does not mean that all of the illnesses attributed to or associated with 'HIV/AIDS' are caused by these psychosomatic stressors. And I think AIDS Dissidents who say it is all MIND OVER MATTER do a diservice to our cause because no one can 'just believe' their way to good health for long if they do not develop good works or health-styles-- healthy acts or behaviors that sustain their faith or belief in the availability or attainability of health and wellness. In other words, FAITH WITHOUT WORKS IS DEAD, as the scripture says. There are health *miracles* which occur through no action of our own, yet we cannot live our lives expecting a miracle to save us from our own unhealthy choices forever. Jon Landis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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