Re: Collodial Silver, Flor-Essence, and Ag4O4

[Guest guest]

Randy, may I ask you if you have any symptoms of any disease?

I spent many years looking for " the cure for AIDS " , and will

never regret the education that I gained from the pursuit. The

definitive, most important cure, however, is between your ears. My

search finally led to the very important writings at

http://www.virusmyth.net , any/all of which will begin to cure you

of " HIV " ...when you fully understand that the T-cell and VL tests

are indicative of _nothing, that " HIV " has never been isolated, nor

definitively proven to even exist ( hence no vaccine ), perhaps

you'll be willing to join those of us who have " cured themselves " .

As for Colloidal Silver, I have found many sites with

instructions for making it safely, by googling the subject. It's on

a back-burner for me for now, though, as I have used

Ecchinaccea/Goldenseal for infections and found these herbs far

safer and far more effective than antibiotics, hence I stopped

looking into CS. The information is out there, though, and readily

available.

Take care,

> i have been taking the collodial silver in the 1100PPM formula

that is

> available in the health stores. i am wondering if anyone else has

had

> any experience with this and what results you found and over how

long a

> period of time?

>

> The essiac formula is well known to be a true cure all and it is a

long

> slow process of using this stuff, but it does work. ANyone have

any

> experience with this and what can you share with us?

>

> THe Collodial Silver is Ag on the periodic chart. THe formula i

want to

> have made is Agsub4Osub4 and wondering if anyone knows how to get

it

> made or what i can do to produce it as it is a one time process

and cure

> of about a 40ppm solution? With this HIV and AIDS and cnacers are

> cured.

>

> thanks for shareing and your help.

> randy

> *****************

> RESPECTFULLY,

> Randy Van Heusden

> randysvh@w...

> http://www.angelfire.com/home/randysvh

[Guest guest]

,

I would be interested to know how you came to the

conclusion that t-cell counts mean nothing. I am

definitely not going to go back on the drugs but

having such a very low t-cell count does concern me.

I wonder if it's just one more part of the terror or

if there is something to them.

Could you let me know why you think they are totally

useless? I try to put my mind at rest about this but

it is difficult. It is the only part of the " HIV " lie

that I am unsure about. I would love your thoughts on

the matter, or any articles, personal experiences that

you could let me know about.

Thanks,

Mike

--- <allengraves2003@...> wrote:

> Randy, may I ask you if you have any symptoms of any

> disease?

>

> I spent many years looking for " the cure for

> AIDS " , and will

> never regret the education that I gained from the

> pursuit. The

> definitive, most important cure, however, is between

> your ears. My

> search finally led to the very important writings at

>

> http://www.virusmyth.net , any/all of which will

> begin to cure you

> of " HIV " ...when you fully understand that the T-cell

> and VL tests

> are indicative of _nothing, that " HIV " has never

> been isolated, nor

> definitively proven to even exist ( hence no vaccine

> ), perhaps

> you'll be willing to join those of us who have

> " cured themselves " .

>

> As for Colloidal Silver, I have found many

> sites with

> instructions for making it safely, by googling the

> subject. It's on

> a back-burner for me for now, though, as I have used

>

> Ecchinaccea/Goldenseal for infections and found

> these herbs far

> safer and far more effective than antibiotics, hence

> I stopped

> looking into CS. The information is out there,

> though, and readily

> available.

>

> Take care,

>

>

>

> > i have been taking the collodial silver in the

> 1100PPM formula

> that is

> > available in the health stores. i am wondering if

> anyone else has

> had

> > any experience with this and what results you

> found and over how

> long a

> > period of time?

> >

> > The essiac formula is well known to be a true cure

> all and it is a

> long

> > slow process of using this stuff, but it does

> work. ANyone have

> any

> > experience with this and what can you share with

> us?

> >

> > THe Collodial Silver is Ag on the periodic chart.

> THe formula i

> want to

> > have made is Agsub4Osub4 and wondering if anyone

> knows how to get

> it

> > made or what i can do to produce it as it is a one

> time process

> and cure

> > of about a 40ppm solution? With this HIV and AIDS

> and cnacers are

> > cured.

> >

> > thanks for shareing and your help.

> > randy

> > *****************

> > RESPECTFULLY,

> > Randy Van Heusden

> > randysvh@w...

> > http://www.angelfire.com/home/randysvh

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Mike, I'll get back to you with some links to back me up, but for

now...the only times that I had high T Cell counts ( when I was

still in the clutches of the HIV/AIDS madness ) were when I was ill

with verifiable and treatable illnesses. The T Cells are normally in

the bone marrow...only a small portion of them will ever be in the

blood, and only if the body is fighting an infection. This is

another aspect of AIDS " science " that is poorly understood by MDs.

If you are not fighting an active infection, why would you expect to

have high T Cells? Healthy people can have " low " T Cells, ostensibly

forever and remain healthy. Low T Cells, in the blood, are

indicative of nothing. There seems only to be an average range, and

variation from that is individual. You'd have to know your numbers

over the course of your life for it to mean anything at

all...athlettes can have very low numbers of T Cells in their blood,

and vegetarians as well...try the 'find' link at virusmyth.net or

try aliveandwell.org, and I'll do some looking around as well.

-

> > > i have been taking the collodial silver in the

> > 1100PPM formula

> > that is

> > > available in the health stores. i am wondering if

> > anyone else has

> > had

> > > any experience with this and what results you

> > found and over how

> > long a

> > > period of time?

> > >

> > > The essiac formula is well known to be a true cure

> > all and it is a

> > long

> > > slow process of using this stuff, but it does

> > work. ANyone have

> > any

> > > experience with this and what can you share with

> > us?

> > >

> > > THe Collodial Silver is Ag on the periodic chart.

> > THe formula i

> > want to

> > > have made is Agsub4Osub4 and wondering if anyone

> > knows how to get

> > it

> > > made or what i can do to produce it as it is a one

> > time process

> > and cure

> > > of about a 40ppm solution? With this HIV and AIDS

> > and cnacers are

> > > cured.

> > >

> > > thanks for shareing and your help.

> > > randy

> > > *****************

> > > RESPECTFULLY,

> > > Randy Van Heusden

> > > randysvh@w...

> > > http://www.angelfire.com/home/randysvh

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Dear Michel,

There are several problems with the CD4 count, is that it is

evaluated on its own merit without looking at the other CD tests one

being the CD8 count which is very relative to the CD4 count which you

never hear about and the ratio between the two. Also another problem

is that the test provided by one lab will give a different result

than those given by another lab and so the values are relative to

where you are tested and who does the testing. No two labs are going

to give the same result for the same blood drawn.

A normal CD4 count usually is about at the 1000 mark and the usual

count for the CD8 count is at 500. So the ratio is supposed to be a

2/1 or 2 to 1 ratio. What happens when the Immune system is attacked

is that the CD4 count goes down and the CD8 count goes up and usually

the ratio becomes an inverse ratio. In my case i am at a .7 to 1

right now rather than the 2 /1 or more. THe ratio can be as high as

6/1 for an immune system that is working at peek efficiency.

There are several other CD values like a CD3, CD13, and others in

which i am still trying to learn about and understand as to how they

effect our health or give status as to our health. Yes, the viral

load means alot too, but i do believe, if the viral load stays high

and your CD4 and CD8 counts give good indications of health, i would

be less worried about viral load. i hope to find out the results

tomorrow of my recent test and the numbers should be an improvement

over those given the last time about 8 weeks ago.

My health is quite strong, with a very strong immune system and i

have no issues that i can see as a problem from how things were prior

to my seroconverting. i have experienced none of the symptoms that

have frequently been reported. Although i feel i might be at at

slight advantage in that for my age i am very much energenic as if

though i was a teenager and with that kind of energy, i can go on

without much sleep or lets say i have more like a 36 or 40 hour day

as opposed to a 24 hour day. For example i am still up and writing

this at 3:30AM and not at all tired. i do have to take my medication

to sedate me so i can sleep, otherwise i get a few hours and i am

back awake again. Also i think it is important to note tha i am very

much into my health and a vegetarian with very little exceptions like

some dairy products and fish, but no other meats. i also attribute

my energy to the lack of saturated fats and junk in my body from the

crap our super markets provides for us. One more thing that would a

huge help with improving the CD4 and CD8 counts is excercise and

wroking out in the gym and working hard will change your body and the

energy that will be gained from it will be amazing to say the least.

i am still wondering though if the vaccine i took for HEP A had

anything to do with my seroconverting, but i am not sure i will ever

know. i already had the anti-bodies for HEP B and it is cleared from

my system.

Over the last month or so i have been taking health products that

consist of the following to help boost the immune system. Collodial

Silver 1100PPM, Host Defense by New Chapter, Flor-Essence, and my All-

One powder vitamins. i will be real curious as to how that has

effected my results of my blood tests. The one thing i learned

recently is that the Silver being Ag on the periodic chart is part of

the Ag4O4 which is the cure for HIV, AIDS, and cancer and it is taken

once and it literally clears the virus and all the crap and

impurities from your system. It is a one time IV. Although i also

know that a Vitamin C IV with a dose of 10-15grams will also

eliminate the virus almost entirely if not entirely.

There are solutions and if your CD4 count is below 200, i too would

be concerned since that is considered an AIDS stage.

If i can be of further help, please let me know,

randy

> ,

>

> I would be interested to know how you came to the

> conclusion that t-cell counts mean nothing. I am

> definitely not going to go back on the drugs but

> having such a very low t-cell count does concern me.

> I wonder if it's just one more part of the terror or

> if there is something to them.

>

> Could you let me know why you think they are totally

> useless? I try to put my mind at rest about this but

> it is difficult. It is the only part of the " HIV " lie

> that I am unsure about. I would love your thoughts on

> the matter, or any articles, personal experiences that

> you could let me know about.

>

> Thanks,

>

> Mike

>

[Guest guest]

i mentioned the different CD values that are on my test report and

may be on yours too. The following is the list of values that are

shown in the report:

THE TESTS NORMAL RANGE

CD3panT 55-64

CD19% 6-25

CD4/H-T 31-60

CD8/spT 13-41

CD4/CD8 .8-4.6

CD16/56 5-27

CD3 # 690-2540

CD19 # 90-660

CD4 # 410-1590

CD8 # 190-1140

16/56 # 90-590

ABS LYM 900-5000

HIVRNA$ viral load should be zero

i mentioned in my last post CD13 i meant the CD19 as you see here in

the list. You can see that CD4 is not the only number. And also

consider the fact it depends on who and where it is tested as no two

people are going to come up with exactly the same results. That i

can tell you came from the doctor. My tests are coming from

different sources at this time since i do not have a home and am

traveling so the VA where i get my work done is going to be different

from one lab to the next. i can only use the numbers as a reference.

On my last test i was low on two of the values and both the CD4 and

CD8 counts were considered in the normal range.

Make sure that when you get your numbers you get the whole picture

not just a number the doctor tells you. Get the Lab printed results.

randy

[Guest guest]

Back to the Colloidal Silver. I buy by the gallon, last a long time,

from Golden Life at 888.227.6146 cost about US $90 or contact Sota

Instruments in Canada the people that make Dr. Beck's Silver Pulser. You

can make you own Colloidal Silver with the Silver Pulser. I cost nothing

more that the cost of the machine. I use a Silver Pulser frequency

through my veins to neutralize pathogens.

Go Well,

Eliot

Re: Collodial Silver, Flor-Essence, and Ag4O4

i mentioned the different CD values that are on my test report and

may be on yours too. The following is the list of values that are

shown in the report:

THE TESTS NORMAL RANGE

CD3panT 55-64

CD19% 6-25

CD4/H-T 31-60

CD8/spT 13-41

CD4/CD8 .8-4.6

CD16/56 5-27

CD3 # 690-2540

CD19 # 90-660

CD4 # 410-1590

CD8 # 190-1140

16/56 # 90-590

ABS LYM 900-5000

HIVRNA$ viral load should be zero

i mentioned in my last post CD13 i meant the CD19 as you see here in

the list. You can see that CD4 is not the only number. And also

consider the fact it depends on who and where it is tested as no two

people are going to come up with exactly the same results. That i

can tell you came from the doctor. My tests are coming from

different sources at this time since i do not have a home and am

traveling so the VA where i get my work done is going to be different

from one lab to the next. i can only use the numbers as a reference.

On my last test i was low on two of the values and both the CD4 and

CD8 counts were considered in the normal range.

Make sure that when you get your numbers you get the whole picture

not just a number the doctor tells you. Get the Lab printed results.

randy

Read AIDS-Cured

[Guest guest]

Hi Randy,

I am very interested in trying silver as a treatment. Would you be

able to provide information on where to get it - does it need to be

purchased through a doctor of holisitic medicine? Can you buy it

in any health store? Thanks for any help you can provide.

An

> i have been taking the collodial silver in the 1100PPM formula

that is

> available in the health stores. i am wondering if anyone else

has had

> any experience with this and what results you found and over

how long a

> period of time?

>

> The essiac formula is well known to be a true cure all and it is

a long

> slow process of using this stuff, but it does work. ANyone have

any

> experience with this and what can you share with us?

>

> THe Collodial Silver is Ag on the periodic chart. THe formula i

want to

> have made is Agsub4Osub4 and wondering if anyone knows

how to get it

> made or what i can do to produce it as it is a one time process

and cure

> of about a 40ppm solution? With this HIV and AIDS and

cnacers are

> cured.

>

> thanks for shareing and your help.

> randy

> *****************

> RESPECTFULLY,

> Randy Van Heusden

> randysvh@w...

> http://www.angelfire.com/home/randysvh

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 6/21/2004 3:18:11 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

daniel_collette@... writes:

Hi Randy,

I am very interested in trying silver as a treatment. Would you be

able to provide information on where to get it - does it need to be

purchased through a doctor of holisitic medicine? Can you buy it

in any health store? Thanks for any help you can provide.

Somehow I thought this was a group for healthy people. What is it you want

to treat with silver, ? Silver is toxic. Be sure to stop before you

start turning blue.

Ed

[Guest guest]

Ed, I've heard that " blue " business happened to one person using a

home-made product...CS can be good for infections, I've heard. This

group, as I see it, is for people who have an illness mis-diagnosed

as " HIV/AIDS " , would like to know the real problem, and are

seeking " alternative " sol'ns to toxic drugs. Herbs, CS,

vitamins, " zappers " , rebounders, and other therapies are viable

sol'ns when used correctly. You should do some research before you

judge too harshly. Try to keep an open mind, before you promote the

FDA " party line " .

CS..? Google it, guy...the information is readily available. There

are groups, forums, websites...

-

> In a message dated 6/21/2004 3:18:11 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

> daniel_collette@y... writes:

> Hi Randy,

> I am very interested in trying silver as a treatment. Would you

be

> able to provide information on where to get it - does it need to

be

> purchased through a doctor of holisitic medicine? Can you buy it

> in any health store? Thanks for any help you can provide.

>

>

>

> Somehow I thought this was a group for healthy people. What is it

you want

> to treat with silver, ? Silver is toxic. Be sure to stop

before you

> start turning blue.

>

> Ed

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

,

Youre right, CS is good for infections..........on the skin or surface of

the body!

Internal use of CS wasn't even controversial amongst physicians sometime

ago............until too many peoples skin color turned grayish-blue, of

course.

I recommend you too do some research at the other side of the snake oil

business, that lures so many people understandably hungry for some

alternatives to the allopathic medicine's highly toxic and brutal bucthering

methods.Try this one on CS for a start :

http://homepages.together.net/~rjstan/rose1.html

Be careful out there!

××

> Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 15:43:49 -0000

> From: " " <allengraves2003@...>

> Subject: Re: Collodial Silver, Flor-Essence, and Ag4O4

>

> Ed, I've heard that " blue " business happened to one person using a

> home-made product...CS can be good for infections, I've heard. This

> group, as I see it, is for people who have an illness mis-diagnosed

> as " HIV/AIDS " , would like to know the real problem, and are

> seeking " alternative " sol'ns to toxic drugs. Herbs, CS,

> vitamins, " zappers " , rebounders, and other therapies are viable

> sol'ns when used correctly. You should do some research before you

> judge too harshly. Try to keep an open mind, before you promote the

> FDA " party line " .

>

> CS..? Google it, guy...the information is readily available. There

> are groups, forums, websites...

>

> -

>

>

>> In a message dated 6/21/2004 3:18:11 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

>> daniel_collette@y... writes:

>> Hi Randy,

>> I am very interested in trying silver as a treatment. Would you

> be

>> able to provide information on where to get it - does it need to

> be

>> purchased through a doctor of holisitic medicine? Can you buy it

>> in any health store? Thanks for any help you can provide.

>>

>>

>>

>> Somehow I thought this was a group for healthy people. What is it

> you want

>> to treat with silver, ? Silver is toxic. Be sure to stop

> before you

>> start turning blue.

>>

>> Ed

>>

>>

>>

[Guest guest]

Dear ,

Currently i have no real symptons of the HIV other than my immune system

be compromised and the rash i have on my butt because it does not want

to seem to go away, but that also is because i wear no underwear and

that has an effect on the sweat from the body to cause the ring worm to

plague my butt area. i do see some marks on my legs that i may not have

seen previously, but other than that i have no ill effects as far as my

over all health. The fungus on my rearend, i am now using a creame

given to me by the doctor at the VA, and i am using the collodial silver

with it as i apply it and it seems to be going away pretty quickly. It

is not yet gone, and i could try Tetrasil as well to see its effect, but

i will see if this first method works first.

Any suggestoins you have about getting rid of the HIV, i will be more

than happy to take into consideration and use any method that seems to

work and without a life long process of trying to deal with this.

Unfortunately my blood result tests do show a compromised immune system

and a viral load over the 100k mark. My CD4 and CD8 counts are within

the normal range still, but they are in reverse proportions compared to

what they are supposed to be.

Thanks for your help,

randy

*****************

RESPECTFULLY,

Randy Van Heusden

randysvh@...

http://www.angelfire.com/home/randysvh

Re: Collodial Silver, Flor-Essence, and Ag4O4

Randy, may I ask you if you have any symptoms of any disease?

I spent many years looking for " the cure for AIDS " , and

will

never regret the education that I gained from the pursuit. The

definitive, most important cure, however, is between your ears.

My

search finally led to the very important writings at

[1]http://www.virusmyth.net , any/all of which will begin to

cure you

of " HIV " ...when you fully understand that the T-cell and VL

tests

are indicative of _nothing, that " HIV " has never been isolated,

nor

definitively proven to even exist ( hence no vaccine ), perhaps

you'll be willing to join those of us who have " cured

themselves " .

As for Colloidal Silver, I have found many sites with

instructions for making it safely, by googling the subject. It's

on

a back-burner for me for now, though, as I have used

Ecchinaccea/Goldenseal for infections and found these herbs far

safer and far more effective than antibiotics, hence I stopped

looking into CS. The information is out there, though, and

readily

available.

Take care,

> i have been taking the collodial silver in the 1100PPM formula

that is

> available in the health stores. i am wondering if anyone else

has

had

> any experience with this and what results you found and over

how

long a

> period of time?

>

> The essiac formula is well known to be a true cure all and it

is a

long

> slow process of using this stuff, but it does work. ANyone

have

any

> experience with this and what can you share with us?

>

> THe Collodial Silver is Ag on the periodic chart. THe formula

i

want to

> have made is Agsub4Osub4 and wondering if anyone knows how to

get

it

> made or what i can do to produce it as it is a one time

process

and cure

> of about a 40ppm solution? With this HIV and AIDS and cnacers

are

> cured.

>

> thanks for shareing and your help.

> randy

> *****************

> RESPECTFULLY,

> Randy Van Heusden

> randysvh@w...

> http://www.angelfire.com/home/randysvh

[Guest guest]

i know i brought this up before but i will bring it up again, there is

more than just the cd4 count which is called the t-cell count. If you

only look at the CD4 count than you are going to have reason to worry

and that you have failed as do most and do most doctors as they push

this one number to tell you that your t-cells are low and that you

should be on these toxic chemicals. Get a full complete printout of

your blood tests which should show other CD counts like the CD8 count

and the percentages and ratios that are shown as well as your viral load

if you have one and it should appear on your blood test results.

i hope we stop doing analysis on one number and start looking at the

entire picture. Let me say very openly if the article you read any

where mentions the T-cell count or the CD4 number and mentions nothing

else, do yourself a favor and stop reading and go on to an article that

shows you a more complete picture.

CONCERNED,

randy

curecrusader

*****************

RESPECTFULLY,

Randy Van Heusden

randysvh@...

http://www.angelfire.com/home/randysvh

Re: Collodial Silver, Flor-Essence, and Ag4O4

Mike, I'll get back to you with some links to back me up, but

for

now...the only times that I had high T Cell counts ( when I was

still in the clutches of the HIV/AIDS madness ) were when I was

ill

with verifiable and treatable illnesses. The T Cells are

normally in

the bone marrow...only a small portion of them will ever be in

the

blood, and only if the body is fighting an infection. This is

another aspect of AIDS " science " that is poorly understood by

MDs.

If you are not fighting an active infection, why would you

expect to

have high T Cells? Healthy people can have " low " T Cells,

ostensibly

forever and remain healthy. Low T Cells, in the blood, are

indicative of nothing. There seems only to be an average range,

and

variation from that is individual. You'd have to know your

numbers

over the course of your life for it to mean anything at

all...athlettes can have very low numbers of T Cells in their

blood,

and vegetarians as well...try the 'find' link at virusmyth.net

or

try aliveandwell.org, and I'll do some looking around as well.

-

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 6/25/2004 4:37:33 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

randysvh@... writes:

If you

only look at the CD4 count than you are going to have reason to worry

and that you have failed as do most and do most doctors as they push

this one number to tell you that your t-cells are low and that you

should be on these toxic chemicals.

T-cells in the blood are an indication of dirty blood, not health. All of

the orthodox science indicates that " T-cells are not a valid surrogate for

health or disease progression in AIDS. " Do some research. Read Guyton's

Physiology (or any general medical text book), take a course in biology, look up

the

Concorde Study and others.

The doctors you refer to should be put away for life. They are taking their

directions from pharmaceutical companies and not from valid science.

Ed

sobehealthy.com

http://members.aol.com/aidsisover

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 6/25/2004 4:13:39 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

randysvh@... writes:

Any suggestoins you have about getting rid of the HIV

There is no valid test for HIV -- which has never been isolated, nor shown to

kill cells or cause any physical disease. I'd suggest you get rid of your

HIV doctors. You might also seek out a good hypnotherapist who does HIV

deprogramming.

Ed

HIV+ since 1954. So what?