The cure for this disease

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In a message dated 12/9/2003 11:01:41 AM Pacific Standard Time,

msplive1@... writes:

We should all have the right to make informed choices about what we are

comfortable in dealing with sexually. Your decision to lie to your partner shows

a

lack of respect. You need to have this conversation with HIM. The longer you

wait, more likely the angrier he will be when he does find out. Relationships

should never be based on a lie. Take responsibility. Good Luck

The virus is a lie. Her decision not to repeat lies or give credence to them

was wise and intelligent and I am glad she shared this with us. I recommend

people get hypnotized to " forget " they were ever labelled.

Ed

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No one here is denying that the virus is a lie, but there are laws that

protects this lie. Fact, if you've been tested and it;s positive, you ARE

on a database. If you have sex with a person and they find out that you

are positive (according to this database) you can face legal charges.

Now, like I said before, I ain't going to jail or being sued over some

booty. You even said yourself you hope someone takes you to court for

" having sex " so you can show them how this is not true. So by saying that,

you know there can be actions takien against a person for witholding

information.

I choose to use wisdom and educate people I meet about this lie. No, I'm

not repeating or giving credence to this lie by protecting myself. It's a

fact that people are labeled, gays, blacks, poor and yes, if you've been

tested, you are labled positive. What you do with that label put on you

can make you make a difference about changing your self and others. If I

haven't been tested, I wouldn't have been trying to learn the truth about

this. A wise man knows both the defensive side as well as the offensive

side to war. He learns about his enemy and how to fight him, and ways to

protect himself. It is foolish to tell people they can withhold

information about their " label " , and you know there are laws that the

system designed to protect this lie.

It is wise to tell people to be two steps ahead of the game, to learn

everything you can about this war and be smart. Being smart doesn't mean

lying, being smart doesn't mean I agree or believe what the system says I

am, but I am ahead of the game and I won't be foolish by not thinking about

the laws placed against me. I won't disrepect my mate by lying to them,

about this or anything. What a way to start any kind of realtionship, not

matter what you may deem a lie or not. You give them that right to decide

if they want to accept this as a lie (which it is!!) or believe what the

system has taught them. You don't have the right to take a person's choice

away, because of your beliefs. Tell it like it is, let them decided and

you won't have to walk around wondering this person found out you've tested

positive and put you 10 feet under the jail. It would bother me to

withhold information from someone I care about. I couldn't do it. Just

because I'm telling you what the system says, doesn't mean I'm agreeing

with them. I'm protecting myself, showing respect to that person and our

relationship.

I guess this discussion makes you see where you we with people and how we

all view things differently. Again, we're all here to learn and I hear

what you're saying Ed, I don't disagree about this being a lie, but don't

you think you become a part of it by hiding the TRUTH?

aidsisover@...

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12/10/2003 10:54 Subject: Re: " The

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In a message dated 12/9/2003 11:01:41 AM Pacific Standard Time,

msplive1@... writes:

We should all have the right to make informed choices about what we are

comfortable in dealing with sexually. Your decision to lie to your partner

shows a

lack of respect. You need to have this conversation with HIM. The longer

you

wait, more likely the angrier he will be when he does find out.

Relationships

should never be based on a lie. Take responsibility. Good Luck

The virus is a lie. Her decision not to repeat lies or give credence to

them

was wise and intelligent and I am glad she shared this with us. I

recommend

people get hypnotized to " forget " they were ever labelled.

Ed

[Guest guest]

Mike:

Glad to " read " all is well!! I want you to know those words were sent

from above ESPECIALLY FOR YOU!!!

He loves you and your always in my prayers!

Keep smiling!!!!

M

[Guest guest]

HI ,Caer,Ed:

Glad to see that all my favorite posters are still active and spewing out

their collective wisdom. I just want you to know that every now and then

I pull out your wonderful words of wisdom from your e-mail you wrote shortly

after I came out of the hospital. I turn to them when I'm feeling sad or need a

spiritual uplift.I can't tell you how much what you wrote means to me-Thank you

again and God love you and everyone of my friends on this site.

O.k , that said I must say I am torn between this moral dilemma of wither

to tell a partner that you are HIV positive.I had sex for the first time the

other day since I came out of the hospital in June. If you add up the time

before that then it would be about two years since the last time.I am still

recovering from the poisons they gave me although I can safely say that mentally

and physically I think I am doing pretty well.There are permanent reminders that

will I guess always be there. The nerve damage in my feet-(I now am convinced

that the hospital gave me Pneumonia as well as a really bad fungal infection on

my private parts which left permanent scarring)--. I'm currently looking for a

good lawyer because I want to sue them for what they did to me. Also the

deformation and distention of my lower stomach from the protease inhibitors.

Anyway, went to the club and I guess I was looking pretty good because I got

allot of really cute guys coming up to me. Needless to say this did allot for my

ego. I'm 42 and there was this 21 year old cutie that wanted to come home with

me. Of course my first reaction was SURE. Then all the dought and stress came

flooding back. What if I take him home would I tell this kid who obviously was

looking for a one night stand about my status? I thought oh my God this kid is

just starting out what right do I have to jeopardize his health (if that's what

you believe I'd be doing from a mainstream point of view) and ruin his life. So

I didn't take him home and I just felt horrible and depressed afterwards.

Well to make a long post short I met someone else the next day (someone my

own age and DID take him home). I did tell him that I was positive and he said

he didn't,t care. He wanted me to mount him and I said O.K. He started to put a

condom on and I said no-- I want you to cum inside me. I want it to be real and

I wanted to feel like a human again. He said are you sure?--yes I'm sure.After

it was over I can't tell you what a relief it was to have a pure unfiltered

sexual experience again like before all this crap started. We are not robots!! I

think that I'm only doing what nature and God intended me to do and man has been

doing it for millennia. I believe that all this hysteria and misinformation

about deadly Flu plagues,Sars,West nile and Hep -C virus is propagated for use

as a control tool. There is a wonderful web site I would very seriously

recommend that everyone go to. This is the site for the Idaho Observer

..http://www.proliberty.com/observer/index.htm hope this link works or just go to

Idaho observer.com-

Well I hope you guys know how much I trust you to reveal such personel

things to you. From my research on other sites I have read that some of the top

officials in this current corrupt government have stated openly that their goal

is to have every American under surveilance. I believe that this is already the

case and that this site and all of our postings are being monitored. Oh well I

hope when the scumbags read my latest post they at least get a hard -on from

it!!! (ha ha)

Your future jail cell buddy....Love and God bless.Mike

Re: " The

cure for this disease "

AM

Please respond to

cures for AIDS

In a message dated 12/9/2003 11:01:41 AM Pacific Standard Time,

msplive1@... writes:

We should all have the right to make informed choices about what we are

comfortable in dealing with sexually. Your decision to lie to your partner

shows a

lack of respect. You need to have this conversation with HIM. The longer

you

wait, more likely the angrier he will be when he does find out.

Relationships

should never be based on a lie. Take responsibility. Good Luck

The virus is a lie. Her decision not to repeat lies or give credence to

them

was wise and intelligent and I am glad she shared this with us. I

recommend

people get hypnotized to " forget " they were ever labelled.

Ed

[Guest guest]

Dear, sweet, RABID kelly...you've made some wonderful postings,

and offered some very solid advice...but, pls. tuck your hard-on

re:Mike back in your pants, OK? The 'kid' is struggling against a

" well-meaning " family to stay off the meds, and get on with his life

again. He's turned his thinking around. I've forwarded an earlier

posting from the archives of this group below...I didn't respond to

this thread at the time, but I will, now. If a stranger were to ask me

if I'm " HIV Positive " ? I would have no problem looking them RIGHT IN

THE EYE and saying " No " , because what they are REALLY asking me is

" Do you have the virus that causes AIDS? " The only honest answer that

they could understand in their own, chosen religion-speak, is no.

HI ,Caer,Ed:

Glad to see that all my favorite posters are still active and

spewing out their collective wisdom. I just want you to know

that every now and then I pull out your wonderful words of wisdom from

your e-mail you wrote shortly after I came out of the hospital. I turn

to them when I'm feeling sad or need a spiritual uplift.I can't tell

you how much what you wrote means to me-Thank you again and God love

you and everyone of my friends on this site.

O.k , that said I must say I am torn between this moral dilemma

of wither to tell a partner that you are HIV positive.I had sex for

the first time the other day since I came out of the hospital in June.

If you add up the time before that then it would be about two years

since the last time.I am still recovering from the poisons they gave

me although I can safely say that mentally and physically I think I am

doing pretty well.There are permanent reminders that will I guess

always be there. The nerve damage in my feet-(I now am convinced that

the hospital gave me Pneumonia as well as a really bad fungal

infection ... which left permanent scarring)--. I'm currently looking

for a good lawyer because I want to sue them for what they did to me.

Also the deformation and distention of my lower stomach from the

protease inhibitors.

Anyway, went to the club and I guess I was looking pretty good

because I got alot of really cute guys coming up to me. Needless to

say this did allot for my ego. I'm 42 and there was this 21 year old

cutie that wanted to come home with me. Of course my first reaction

was SURE. Then all the dought and stress came flooding back. What if I

take him home would I tell this kid who obviously was looking for a

one night stand about my status? I thought oh my God this kid is just

starting out what right do I have to jeopardize his health (if that's

what you believe I'd be doing from a mainstream point of view) and

ruin his life. So I didn't take him home and I just felt horrible and

depressed afterwards.

Well to make a long post short I met someone else the next day

(someone my own age and DID take him home). I did tell him that I was

positive and he said he didn't,t care. He wanted me to mount him and I

said O.K. He started to put a condom on and I said no-- I want you to

cum inside me. I want it to be real and I wanted to feel like a human

again. He said are you sure?--yes I'm sure.After it was over I can't

tell you what a relief it was to have a pure unfiltered sexual

experience again like before all this crap started. We are not

robots!! I think that I'm only doing what nature and God intended me

to do and man has been doing it for millennia. I believe that all this

hysteria and misinformation about deadly Flu plagues,Sars,West nile

and Hep -C virus is propagated for use as a control tool. There is a

wonderful web site I would very seriously recommend that everyone go

to. This is the site for the Idaho Observer

http://www.proliberty.com/observer/index.htm hope this link works or

just go to Idaho observer.com-

Well I hope you guys know how much I trust you to reveal such

personel things to you. From my research on other sites I have read

that some of the top officials in this current corrupt government have

stated openly that their goal is to have every American under

surveilance. I believe that this is already the case and that this

site and all of our postings are being monitored. Oh well I hope when

the scumbags read my latest post they at least get a hard -on from

it!!! (ha ha)

Your future jail cell buddy....Love and God bless.Mike

Re:

" The cure for this disease "

AM

Please respond to

cures for AIDS

In a message dated 12/9/2003 11:01:41 AM Pacific Standard Time,

msplive1@y... writes:

We should all have the right to make informed choices about what we are

comfortable in dealing with sexually. Your decision to lie to your

partner

shows a

lack of respect. You need to have this conversation with HIM. The longer

you

wait, more likely the angrier he will be when he does find out.

Relationships

should never be based on a lie. Take responsibility. Good Luck

The virus is a lie. Her decision not to repeat lies or give credence to

them

was wise and intelligent and I am glad she shared this with us. I

recommend

people get hypnotized to " forget " they were ever labelled.

Ed