Re: lo t-4's

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Hi,

to boost your T-cell try this:

Thymus Suport GLANDULAR, by Natra-bio $6.00

Probust-thymic protein A by Genicel, INC Bonsall, CA

you can take 3/day for some months then 1/day

$53.00/box of 30 envelope

oxygen supliment like OXYMUNE, HYROXYGEN or OXY-CAPS

about $17-20.00

M.

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In a message dated 11/25/2002 11:03:59 PM Eastern Standard Time,

gentryj@... writes:

>

> curious what y'all (yes i'm texan) have done, if anything,

> to increase

> your t-cell count.

I'm not sure why anyone would want to increase his t-cells, but almost any of

the following should give them a rise:

* Smoke a pack of cigarettes

* Have a Big Mac, Fries and a diet soda

* Take any medication, the more toxic the more the rise

* Experiment with recreational drugs

* Breathe in insectocides

Up your t-cells,

Lieb

THe world's #1 long-term non-progressor.

HIV+ since 1954 -- healthy and fit with NO medical intervention.

[Guest guest]

>

> I'm not sure why anyone would want to increase his t-cells, but

almost any of the following should give them a rise:

>

> * Smoke a pack of cigarettes

> * Have a Big Mac, Fries and a diet soda

> * Take any medication, the more toxic the more the rise

> * Experiment with recreational drugs

> * Breathe in insectocides

>

> Up your t-cells,

>

> Lieb

> THe world's #1 long-term non-progressor.

> HIV+ since 1954 -- healthy and fit with NO medical intervention.

did you mean to be a jerk?

if you took the time to actually read my post i said i wasn't to

concerned but was curious if others were bothered with low t-cells and

what they were doing, if anything, to raise them.

there's already enough antagonistic and churlish behavior in the

world, give it a rest when someone has a concern. i come here to

learn what others are doing and not doing, not to be belittled with

sarcastic comments like yours. if you don't have something

contructive to say why bother?

on a more positive note, i usually enjoy your post and have learned a

few things, so thanks.

[Guest guest]

gentry:

> curious what y'all (yes i'm texan) have done, if anything, to

> increase

> your t-cell count. i'm not really into the numbers but mine

> have been low for a while, around 200 - 300. v.l. i could care less

> about. when i tested " positive " in 84 i started eating raw and ate

> raw for almost 4 years. i slowly started eating more cooked food

> until last year when i returned to eating 90 -95% raw. i've always

> weight trained but have lacked the cardio. bought a rebound air a

> few

> months ago and enjoy that, still don't do enough.

>

> anyway, i've been a little worried that my t-cells have not gone up.

>

> maybe i just have naturally low t-cells. does anybody else have

> consistantly low t-4's? does it bother you?

)=============Hi gentry,................as you may know, I have already

shared before about my t-cells being between 100 -200 for over a year

now. I am curious as to why they are considered low and if real clinical

tests have been done on non-hiv persons to determine a 'normal' range -

something that can be used as a reliable marker. The degree of concern

about this will fluctuate with my research and acquired knowledge of the

significance of t-cells and getting an accurate mearsurement of numbers

as it relates to ones health(condition). Not too worried

really.......just doing what I can to stay healthy.....and monitoring;

(lab work every 2 - 3 months).

*curious if you know your cd-8 counts? My last ones were 1500 or so if I

recall - the ratio has the cd-8s higher than the cd-4s.

shalom,

paul

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> )=============Hi gentry,................as you may know, I have already

> shared before about my t-cells being between 100 -200 for over a year

> now. I am curious as to why they are considered low and if real clinical

> tests have been done on non-hiv persons to determine a 'normal' range -

> something that can be used as a reliable marker. The degree of concern

> about this will fluctuate with my research and acquired knowledge of the

> significance of t-cells and getting an accurate mearsurement of numbers

> as it relates to ones health(condition). Not too worried

> really.......just doing what I can to stay healthy.....and monitoring;

> (lab work every 2 - 3 months).

>

> *curious if you know your cd-8 counts? My last ones were 1500 or so if I

> recall - the ratio has the cd-8s higher than the cd-4s.

>

> shalom,

>

>

> paul

surely they've done avg. t-cell counts from the general population to

determine normal levels. they're not just randomly picking values.

my last cd8's were 1029, before that they were 475. like i said, i'm

really not to worried about the numbers, just would like to increase

the 4's a little. i don't think hiv has anything to do w/aids, but on

the other hand i do think there might be something going on, maybe not.

it just hit me. if they use the general population to come up with

base line values they're probably getting bad information. since most

people are not truly healthy, perhaps they're t-4's are high due to

constantly fighting off various infections. things that make you go

hum!!!

has anyone heard of ever done any of dr. richard schulze's programs?

i've done various cleanses in the past and was considering his

program. thanks in advance.

gentry

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In a message dated 11/26/2002 11:03:36 PM Eastern Standard Time,

gentryj@... writes:

> if you don't have something

> contructive to say why bother?

Nothing personal, can't you take a joke? I was trying to make the point to a

lot of people who are still confused over the t-cell lies, that t-cells are a

response to toxins in the body and not a sign of health. Perhaps I should have

stated that anyone who would still waste their blood, time and somebody's money

counting t-cells is still caught up in the AIDS lies and is far from " cured. "

The healthiest people on this planet have very loc t-cell counts according to

medical " norms. " Until you clear your head of the virus of medical

disinformation, you are not out of danger.

AIDS is not an infectious epidemic.

HIV is not the probable cause of AIDS.

HIV is not spreading.

There is no diagnostic test for HIV.

Antibodies do not predict disease or death.

AIDS medications cause AIDS and in no way extend life.

T-cells are not a measurement of immune health.

T-cells are not a valid surrogate marker for AIDS.

Viral load is a load of crap.

US AIDS is dying out and will be history by the end of this decade.

AIDS is only " always fatal " if you follow the medical advice.

If you disagree with any of the above, let's talk about it.

Sorry if I come off angry at times, but I am angry and I think everyone needs to

realize how we have been lied to by these governmedical " experts " and speak out.

Start with letters to elected officials, the press, the media, people you know.

If

taking a non-violent legal approach doesn't get us anywhere (as it hasn't for

the past 20 years) then we have no choice but to do whatever may be necessary to

end this illegal medical tyranny. AIDS is just the tip of the iceberg.

Lieb

THe world's #1 long-term non-progressor.

HIV+ since 1954 -- healthy and fit with NO medical intervention.

" WE hold these Truths to be self-evident…that whenever any Form of Government

become destructive of these Ends, its the Right of the People to alter or to

abolish it, and to institute a new Government… "

-- The Declaration of Independence

[Guest guest]

> Nothing personal, can't you take a joke? I was trying to make the

point to a lot of people who are still confused over the t-cell lies,

that t-cells are a response to toxins in the body and not a sign of

health. Perhaps I should have stated that anyone who would still

waste their blood, time and somebody's money counting t-cells is still

caught up in the AIDS lies and is far from " cured. " The healthiest

people on this planet have very loc t-cell counts according to medical

" norms. " Until you clear your head of the virus of medical

disinformation, you are not out of danger.

hey ed -

yes, i can take a joke. as a matter of fact my friends consider me

quite the jokester. sorry that i didn't take your initial response

the way that you intended, it just sounded very condensending. on of

the problems with this type of communication i suppose.

having said that help me understand something. where do they get the

" normal " ranges of the bloodwork. and why does everything else in my

panel fall into these ranges except for the t-4's and sometimes the

t-8's? do you have any scientific evidence that healthy people do

indeed have lo t-cells? i'm not challenging you, i'd just be very

interested in getting more info on the subject. my main reason for

finding more hard scientific evidence is not for me but for my

partner. i finally convienced him to see the alternate point of view

and get off the meds, but has not ruled out going back on them if his

t-cells drop below 200. he's a r.n. and doesn't quiet believe the

whole hiv myth.

sorry for the misunderstanding and after reading your post in light of

it being tounge in cheek i am laughing.

take care