Re: Mr. Grave's Grave Accusation

[Guest guest]

> Second. why was it that AIDS started in gay drug users in the US? Did it

then migrate

> to Africa, even though HIV has never been found in Semen and AIDS has

never been

> proven to be transmitted sexually?

according to horowitz in EMERGING VIRUSES: AIDS AND EBOLA, it was injected

into women in the congo region of central africa and gay men in new york via

'contaminated' hepatitis b test vaccines.

> Third. take a look at who our president is and then tell me that there are

people

> in government who are so hyper-intelligent, that they can create a

retrovirus that

> is so dynamic, it can actually discriminate and only infect black and gay

men? Of

> course it doesn't. HIV is found in equal percentages of men and women,

black and

> white.

whatever it is that causes AIDS is said to have been genetically engineered

to attack those with certain genetic markers or behavioral traits.

> Fourth. There has never been a disease that discriminates between sex,

race, or

> sexual preference. Once again, I say that there is no way that the 'all

powerful'

> government has these smart scientists who can create a discriminating

retrovirus,

> when the best and brightest of retrovirus ilk can barely find them, let

alone genetically

> engineer them to flock toward black and gay cells. I don't remember, have

we ever

> discovered that a black person's blood cell is any different than a white

persons?

> I think that if billions of years of evolution can't create an infectious

disease

> that only attacks black people, then there's not much chance of our

scientists doing

> it. I have yet to see a true discriminatory infectious disease, and that

includes

> AIDS, whether it exists or not.

you mean like sickle cell anemia?

> Fifth. a retrovirus is not rocket science. It is a very very tiny

organism, and

> thus it is a very very very simple organism. When they created Protease

Inhibitors,

> they created something that would stop a retrovirus no matter what. A

retrovirus

> can not 'mutate' to avoid P I s, because if it actually managed to mutate

enough

> to escape the inhibitor, it would no longer be a functioning retrovirus.

There just

> isn't a lot of wiggle room for a retrovirus.

relevance?

> Sixth. Though I know that the " Klan " still exists and that there is plenty

of hate

> out there among all echelons of society, the fact remains for most rich

beaurocrats

> that (and please excuse me, all people who aren't white, I'm just going by

numbers

> here) it is very rare that you will find a rich white man wants to kill

off his

> incredibly affordable brown, low class labor pool. The fact is that the

rich have

> a valuable resource in the downtrodden not-white people of the world. Why

on earth

> would they spend millions to create a retrovirus that would wipe out their

grunt

> labor? I can see White Supremacists wanting to do it, but most of them are

way too

> stupid to actually succeed.

during the 70's there was not only a great deal of hyteria about 'the

population boom' but there was also concern about populations increasing in

counries such as those in central africa that were leaning toward communism.

> Seventh. What about the Indians who were completely isolated from

civilization

> who tested positive with the exact same percentages as everyone else?

Mosquitoes?

> Government flew in some 'positive' homosexuals to ravish them and them

flew them

> out real quick before the AIDS squad got there to take their tests?

what about them?

there arent any reliable tests for HIV.

Eighth. I say again that their virus doesn't seem to be working. It only

seems

> to create AIDS in people who take the drugs, who are recreational drug

users, or

> who have to drink scummy water that isn't clean and eat nothing but grain.

All the

> people, black, white, gay and straight who take care of themselves and

don't do

> the toxic Antiretrovirals seem to be doing quite well.

yeah, so? maybe those factors are really whats making them sick?

vigilius haufniensis

[Guest guest]

CAER ...... YOU - GO -- GIRL ...... YOU BROKE IT DOWN TO THE " 8TH

DEGREE " . I AM SOOOO PROUD OF YOU!!!!!

I AGREE, IN THIS JOURNEY OF AIDS DISCOVERY, SOMETIMES THE ANSWER

IS THE MOST SIMPLE ONE. BY EXERCISING COMMON SENSE ALONG WITH RESEARCH

FROM.. REPUTABLE AND PROVEN SOURCES.... WILL BENEFITS THOSE WHO ARE

SEEKING TO EXPOSE THIS FOR WHAT IS REALLY IS....... A MULTI BILLION DOLLAR

LIE, DESIGNED TO CREATE PANIC AND DESTROY LIVES OF INNOCENT PEOPLE

REGARDLESS OF THEIR RACE, AGE , SEXUAL PREFERENCE OR GEOGRAPHICAL

LOCATION.

QUOTE TO LIVE BY:

" Smart is believing only half of what you hear, brilliant is knowing which

half to believe. "

[Guest guest]

Hi! Everyone,

I don't usually say anything here, unless there is something good. I would

like to comment on this whole Dr. Graves and Tetrasil thing.

a little bit about me

As you know. I was diagnosed with full blown aids and kaposi sarcoma last

January. I didn't really live the gay lifestyle the most people live. Never

used drugs, never smoke and never drink alcohol. And my first partner was the

only person I have ever been since I was 20 I am now 25. When I got tested

the first time it was horrible, since there was no virus in my blood besides

been HHV-08 for Kaposi but no HIV. Anyway, I still needed to battle this

illness because it was killing me. A year later I am fine alive and healed.

Not from the medicines not injections but by the of the lord. I decided one

day not to take any more pills or herbs of any kind and just trust God and he

did the miracle.

That's my story.

Well, a year ago I made an intensive research on Tetrasil. Tracked people

down,

call other countries. Spoke to doctor Graves and even he even set up the

appoint to take injectionfor me to take the injection. I was going to be the

second person to take the so call Tetrasil. In my desperation of finding a

cure I was willing to pay 1200 for just one injection in San Diego

California. I can say that the injection does exist and it does work.

It doesn't work all, if your aids its too advance and your body can't replace

new cells

hardly the injection would work. Meeting ( if you have cancer besides aids or

if your organs are no longer working properly.) The studies make in Honduras

proved this since one of the patients was in the last states of the disease

and he died.

I couple of weeks I contacted Dr. Graves again just with curiosity of how he

was doing and he seem well to me and I also contacted the clinic or place

where i was going to receive the injection the first time and well they now

refer you to company who are suppostly are running a 3rd trial on this whole

injection.

My input on this is different from most of you. I have learn not care so

much about medicine. Since as long as we have a government like ours we will

always be in trouble.

I also learn that in order to completely cured yourself from aids, you need

to find the medicine in you and not company or injection or be believing that

virus was created to kill people.

And last but most important.

God is not destroying man, but Man is destroying himself. Most people don't

understand we are not living in God's time.

Tetrasil won't be available for another 3 or 4 years. After they put avery

expensive label on bottle with a very high price for the treatment. For

those who wish to wait. I can give you all the information I have and you

guys can contact this people yourselves.

I am out.

D

[Guest guest]

Thanks guys... it's wonderful when the person I'm debating wins my argument

for me.

I agree with you, Maxxim, that Vaccines are an awful business and deserve

far more scrutiny and skepticism than they are given. I've just started

studying the ill affects of unnecessary vaccinations and it's rather scary.

For one thing, as soon as someone is diagnosed HIV positive, they're urged

to get Hepatitis vaccinations, flu vaccinations and pneumonia

vaccinations... all of which have been shown to be one of the causes of a

positive HIV test. So people are less likely to be able to regain a

negative test the way Ray's friends did because of this. I'm hoping to

achieve that myself as my doctor and I have found the 'real' cause of my

problems and probably the underlying cause of my positive test. Though I

loathe giving any more money to Gallo than he already has.

Vaccinations and allopathic drugs in general... and even some holistic

medicines should be avoided if at all possible. There are ways of healing

our ills without finding out how many chemicals we can ingest and needles we

can take.

I would also like to point out that though 15 million Africans are ESTIMATED

to have died of AIDS, if you visit the World Health Organization website

here:

http://www.who.int/wer/pdf/2002/wer7749.pdf

You will see that only 1.1 million have ever been diagnosed with AIDS or HIV

in the last twenty years. And we all know that all you need in Africa, is

two weeks of diarrhea or sickness (usually caused by malnutrition) and/or

malaria/TB to be diagnosed. These people aren't even dead. They've just

been diagnosed.

To put it in perspective, almost 1 million people die EACH YEAR, in the US

alone, of heart disease.

So 1.1 Million of 15 Million... that's an estimation of 93 percent more

deaths than actual accounted diagnoses. That's a hell of a grand

estimation.

At the same time, Africa's population continues to grow steadily. Neither

has their death rate skyrocketed. It's pretty even keel. Here are the

numbers...

Population growth rate: 0.5% (2000 est.)

Birth rate: 24.56 births/1,000 population (2000 est.)

Death rate: 14.69 deaths/1,000 population (2000 est.)

From this site...

http://www.southafricausachamber.com/resources/sa_people.shtml

I tried to find completely objective numbers, without " accounting for AIDS

statistics " but I couldn't... at least in my initial search.

However, no matter what, the population doesn't seem to be suffering any

sort of decline and the Death rate is lower than the birth rate. If we

believed 'AIDS Statistics' the entire African continent should be completely

populated by AIDS orphans by now. We see that is not the case.

And, in fact, there are fewer AIDS deaths per HIV diagnosed in Africa than

there are in America. All our great health care, access to plenty of HAART

and clean water and food and Africa still manages to have fewer deaths. The

only difference is they don't have HAART and we do. I wonder what their

secret is.

Here is an article that points out just that. It can be found here:

http://www.virusmyth.net/aids/news/rrstudy.htm

Please enjoy.

And as long as it has come up, Caer is an ancient Gaelic name meaning 'place

of protection'. FYI.

Love Y'all!

Caer

[Guest guest]

,

Your story is very touching. I'm glad that you've found a way to help

yourself. I'm not sure if you know, but even mainstream science has agreed

that KS is not an AIDS/HIV disease and it has been removed from the OI list.

Still, the fact that you got it even though you were not using poppers or

other forms of amyl nitrates is very interesting and very rare. Though it

does happen, since KS has been around far longer than AIDS. I'm glad that

you got better. I can't imagine the stress you were under. Getting KS

would scare the hell out of me.

I'm a little confused though. You say that your belief in God and your

trust in him healed the malady. Though I'm not religious, I do believe that

attitude and belief are very important to health. It sounds like when you

let go of your stress and focused on your belief and faith, you got better.

That's a wonderful story.

But, if you were better, why then, did you need the shot? I'm just curious.

Were you watching your Viral Loads or CD4s? How do you know the shot

worked? Do you test negative now?

Who did you pay $1200 to? Dr. Graves?

I'm very skeptical of Tetrasil being a miracle cure. However, whatever it

is, I'm very glad you feel better, whether it was Tetrasil, your belief in

God, or 'the Placebo effect'. The important thing is that you've found a

way to feel well again.

Caer

[Guest guest]

Hi Caer,

besides having Kaposi sarcoma, I was diagonised with full blown aids.

According to the doctors. After doing test and all the crazy stuff my doctor

told me I had aids. I had no immune system. I think my T cells at the time

were like 8 or 9 and my blood cells very low and yes and very severe anemia.

[Guest guest]

Well,

I don't think i have to tell you the syptoms of aids. I was very sick and I

even went blind for a couple of days. I didn't took the so call injection.

I PREPARED everything so i could take the Miracle cure, but deep inside of me

I knew I was not going to be completely cure from one injection.

I myself called the clinic and cancel my appointment. ( I think you miss

understood me.) Sorry if it was my fault.

After 6 diferent doctors who all said the same thing. One doctor can be

wrong, but not the rest of the doctors and the blood work was there to prove

it.

And let me correct you about Kaposi Sarcoma. KS still is part of list.

They said they going to take out but after they did some more clinical

research they found out that KS in people with Aids is no more or no less

than viral infection. There is four kinds of Kaposi sarcoma three which are

not Aids related, but they are cancers. Viral Kaposi which is not really

cancer but Herpes HHV-08 can be control in and reverse in different ways not

only with antibiotics. Once your immune system repairs itself Kaposi

automacally dissapears.

I was not heal through any medicine, but my faith in God, I not trying to

preach here my religion or believe. Everyone believes anything in anyway

they want. I discover a faster way of healing. which only took one service at

church for 3 hours of praying. I found my complete healing through praying

and the lord Jesus Christ did the rest ( and yes I am still gay). My church

has a copy of of all my test from before and after, and I can foward your

anything you wish to see on private email address. My doctor was amaze, he

could not believed nor his mind let him believed that all my test came back

clean and my blood back to normal levels. All the kaposi sarcoma I had all

over my body dissapear withing days. and like me there is several people I

know who healed not only from Aids, but cancer, Lupus and other things. The

same night I was healed and young 17 year old girl with Lupus was also cured.

Tetrasil won't cure you totally,

it only put the so call virus under remission for how long, I don't know

will Dr Graves be healthy as he is now in a year from now? I can't tell

I rather wait see what happens to him. I will give him a call in few again

to ask for his health status and see Tetrasil worked on him.

God bless you

D

[Guest guest]

Hi Caer,> besides having Kaposi sarcoma, I was diagonised with full blown

aids.

> According to the doctors. After doing test and all the crazy stuff my

doctor

> told me I had aids. I had no immune system. I think my T cells at the

time

> were like 8 or 9 and my blood cells very low and yes and very severe

anemia.

then what happened?

vigilius haufniensis

[Guest guest]

Okay, so the mainstream doctors told you that you had AIDS because of your T

Cell

counts. Of course, T Cell counts don't correlate with actual physical health

as

shown with this article among others.

[http://aras.ab.ca/test.html#cd4]http://aras.ab.ca/test.html#cd4

And in some countries, you would not be AIDS diagnosed since not all countries

recognize T Cells as a valid marker for AIDS. I would be more concerned with

how

you actually felt. So what did your injection actually do? Are you just going

by a positive test? Are you going by how you felt? Are you going by CD4 counts

or Viral load? And if you think the shot was your cure, and not your change of

attitude, or just time, what proved it for you? You said that your KS got

better

before you went for the injections... so, I'm just wondering. Are you sure,

your

body just didn't heal itself, or are you absolutely sure it was the Tetrasil?

How

do you know? The thing that I'm hopeful about for you, is that, whether or not

Tetrasil actually is good for your health or not, at least in the short term

tests,

it didn't seem to be highly toxic. This test was done on rats and a few showed

enlarged spleens but were otherwise okay. However, I couldn't see any long term

tests, and I wonder. I hope that the Tetrasil doesn't cause you any unforseen

long

term health problems. Anyway, I'd like more information, for curiosity's sake,

if you don't mind. Caer

[Guest guest]

Alive and healed

[Guest guest]

you can drink as much CS as you want. Your body will be. Just make sure

it's CS made out of hot water only not Salt. I knew someone who will drink 4

glasess a day and he had no syptoms of any kind and his hiv viral very low

with no infections and Guess what does all he takes and his vitamins.

[Guest guest]

I would agree that Colloidal Silver is a must have. I make it and have a

glass on the bedside table, waiting to drink each morning for my case of

hcv.

By the way, I have found another group that is advocating a protocol,

where in electric current is introduced into the bloodstream at the

wrist arteries and zaps the virus as it floats by.

The members are very enthused, and claim positive results. I have been

using mine for 4 days, and I am improving, but I do several other things

a once, so I think it's the combo (as always, right?)

a couple other things I do are Cordyceps, and Mycomend made by New

Chapter- these are medicinal mushroom extracts.

I've noticed a marked improvement in my color and complexion since I

started these.

Another is Ravensara oil - anti viral etc.

dip finger bottle and apply to upper lip and nostril, and breathe.

Check out the File section

http://mircoelectricitygermkiller

plan B http://groups /

[Guest guest]

Stalin,

I love you bro but I think your are being a little unfair with your faith

healing testimonial. Everyone should note that you did the Hulda

Protocol, the Bob Beck protocol that you became a vegan did huge amounts of

juicing and I suspect juice fasting, you followed Dr. Schulze and I'm

certain other natural healers. Your goal was to get to the bottom of the KS

condition and you did just that. Your tenacity, your unwillingness to

accept that KS is not incurable enable you to permanently to resolve your

condition. Now you did a lot of work and faith healing topped it all off,

but we all need to be well aware of what you did to become completely

healed. You healed yourself and you were willing to do whatever it took to

achieve this goal! I absolutely knew that you would and could do it when we

started chatting a year ago. I even told one of my friends that I was

talking to you and that you would cure yourself, it didn't take me very long

to realize that you had what it takes! You should give everyone a lesson

here because most of the people in here are bitching, moaning and

complaining about the AIDS industry, when in reality this is an AIDS CURED

group. Anyone can complain all they want, but the bottom line reality is

that no one can cure anyone of any disease except the person who has it.

You were clinically defined with AIDS and you have permanently resolved your

condition!

Good Job Little Bro!!

Webmaster Kev

waronaids.com

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Re: Mr. Grave's Grave Accusation

> Alive and healed

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Web Master Ken

Can I ask for your guidance? As suggestions to cure myself?

Dignosed with Hep B and HIV Sept 11,2001 ( awful date) Not that

numbers mean anything but here they are CD4 808, 729 , 728 , 514 ,

740 , 561 then HIV PCR QN 38700, 18291, 31000, 63900, 21826, 90654.

the drop to 21826 in Nov 2002 was when in September I started taking

MGN3. It seemed to work great. But numbers are on the rise. Caer

has great knowledge and I think you do too much more than I . I have

the Bob Beck Protocol Video and the Maggiore book. Doc

wants me to start meds and I have put him off for another test in 2

months. My lymph nodes near my chin are feeling noticeable now.

They don't hurt but they feel like they are " full " if you know what I

mean and I wonder if they are growing noticeable to anyone else. I

take colloidal siler 10mm every morning, Multi vitamin, Co-Q10, 7-

Keto, Coral Calcium, Null's red stuff and Nulls' green stuff and

Wheat grass a glass every day, I work out every day. 43 years old

not on meds and intend to stay that way. I hope I am starting this

early enough to either zap it or Bob Beck it out . I don't know if I

am able to make a Godzilla electrical box. My aunt uses a Tens

machine for her muscle relaxation so I think that the technology is

save to use. As you can see I am fishing here. Power of prayer has

always been used by me and if God is putting you in my path as an

answer then I am taking the chance. Would love it if I was able to be

totally cured and get the word out in Atlanta that everyone can do

this and be healthy without the Nuke drugs.

Do you think you have some little extra time to coach another one

lost ?

Thanks, Joe

> Stalin,

>

> I love you bro but I think your are being a little unfair with your

faith

> healing testimonial. Everyone should note that you did the Hulda

> Protocol, the Bob Beck protocol that you became a vegan did huge

amounts of

> juicing and I suspect juice fasting, you followed Dr. Schulze and

I'm

> certain other natural healers. Your goal was to get to the bottom

of the KS

> condition and you did just that. Your tenacity, your unwillingness

to

> accept that KS is not incurable enable you to permanently to

resolve your

> condition. Now you did a lot of work and faith healing topped it

all off,

> but we all need to be well aware of what you did to become

completely

> healed. You healed yourself and you were willing to do whatever it

took to

> achieve this goal! I absolutely knew that you would and could do

it when we

> started chatting a year ago. I even told one of my friends that I

was

> talking to you and that you would cure yourself, it didn't take me

very long

> to realize that you had what it takes! You should give everyone a

lesson

> here because most of the people in here are bitching, moaning and

> complaining about the AIDS industry, when in reality this is an

AIDS CURED

> group. Anyone can complain all they want, but the bottom line

reality is

> that no one can cure anyone of any disease except the person who

has it.

> You were clinically defined with AIDS and you have permanently

resolved your

> condition!

>

> Good Job Little Bro!!

>

> Webmaster Kev

> waronaids.com

>

> PS you cant put attachments in these groups as the moderator has set

> controls strip any non-text portion of the message.

>

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