Re: a timid hello

[Guest guest]

A warm and effervescent welcome to you, Tasha! I am so happy that you found

us cuz you're in the right place. Just sit back and get to know us awhile.

We're pretty full of it here. Er, with information that is!!! And whatever

questions you have, please just ask. Someone here either knows the answer or

can give you sources to find the info yourself.

Our regular moderator, Sheri Nakken, is out of town right now, so you won't

get to enjoy her posts for awhile yet. She is quite knowledgeable and a

character to boot!

Between here and the Mothering Board, you'll be teaching hubby all about

vaccines real soon! By the way, here's what worked with my non-reading

husband. Force him to look at the pictures of dead and damaged children over

at www.909shot.com and then read their stories of how they were killed and

damaged.

Also make him read the stories of dead children (no pictures) over at

www.ThinkTwice.com

It really made it seem " real " to my husband. No longer were we talking about

numbers, but real human beings who deserved to live. I also have an NVIC

brochure with pictures of dead/damaged children and their stories. The

brochure also includes info about NVIC. I would be happy to mail you one, if

you like.

Kathleen aka Holimomma

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In a message dated 6/1/01 3:54:51 PM Eastern Daylight Time, auj.geo@...

writes:

> Just cancel

> these fake well-baby appointments.

I have to agree. *BUT* I know it's easy for me to say it as a veteran Mom of

4. When I had my first I was scared because it was all unknown territory and

it was hard to not go to those appointments.

I just brought my four for appointments because I found a wonderfully

respectful, kind and young woman DR. who I knew would not hassle me. I just

brought them for the heck of it so I would have some record of them being

seen. It amazed me that all they really did was weigh them and measure their

height since they are basically very healthy kids. All that hoopla for

weight and height!

Just take baby steps with this issue. It's a process!

K

~Kerin~

Mom of Four~

*When you tend a rose, my lad,

A thistle cannot grow*

[Guest guest]

Tasha: I was in the same dilemna you are currently in. I got the first few

vacs spaced apart and then told my dr that I wanted to wait until my dd was

two before receiving anymore to give me time to investigate vaccines.Now I've

decided not to vaccinate, but its a great idea to give yourself time to make

the right decision for you and yours. Keep reading and talking to people and

you will come up with whats right for you and your family. Allow yourself all

the time you need to make your decision. If you decide vaccination is right

for you, or you want some vacs and not others, you can get them at anytime.

EVen adults receive vacs, and immigrants and so on.

I wish you well and the best of luck in your decision, which will probably be

one of the most important decisions of your life, because it could effect the

entire lives of your little ones. Not that I want to add any more pressure or

anything. smiles.

marvis-chicago

[Guest guest]

I've just been reading some of the responses to Tasha and one thought keeps

coming to mind. " Damn, we're smart!!! "

In a message dated 6/1/2001 3:09:13 PM Central Daylight Time,

mommylovesrj@... writes:

> Tasha,

>

> Welcome! It is such a tough road to follow, but I am

> so happy to see you are at least questioning. Just so

> you know, you do not HAVE to discuss with your pedi,

> delaying. You can just refuse the shots. There may

> be pressure, but just simply state that you are

> looking into vaccines more, and until then, you do not

> want to make a rash decision, and are therefor going

> to refuse them until you have come to a decision. If

> the doctor persists, you can do as I do with people

> who try to push, and tell them the topic is not open

> for discussion, and leave it at that. Definitely

> check out the sites here, like Sheri's, Sandy's

> whale-to, etc. Print some of the information out, and

> if you have to, remove all bathroom 'reading'

> material, and instead leave what you printed.

>

> I am not completely certain, but from what I

> understand, if you group vaccines together, and rate

> their effectiveness, they are only 60% effective, at

> best. They DO 'wear' out, thus the need for boosters.

> Most times, children who catch these diseases that

> are so feared, ARE vaccinated. This fact causes the

> diseases to mutate (such as whooping cough). Also,

> manytimes, children catch the disease FROM the

> vaccines, i.e chicken pox, polio, etc.

>

> If you make the wise decision (in MY opinion) to no

> longer vaccinate, you will need to eat healthily, and

> care for the body you were blessed with (and baby).

> If you try to attain/maintain optimal health, even IF

> your dd contracts these diseases, she will be able to

> handle them so much better than a vaccinated child, a

> vaccinated child that eats unhealthily, etc. It is an

> extremely rare instance that one of these dieases is

> fatal on it's own. The fatalities, WHEN they occur

> (seldom) spring forth from complications due to

> interventions, such as paracetamols, etc.

>

> Before you continue the shots, ask questions here, and

> we will help you to come to a decision that is right

> for YOU. Glad you found us, and blessings to you and

> yours.

>

> ~Donna

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Tasha,

Welcome to the list.

> I want to make an appointment to talk about

> delaying till she's at least two.

You don't have to talk about it, it's your free will. Just cancel

these fake well-baby appointments. Take the kid to a doc if ill. The

more you see the doc now, the more they'll take advantage of your

insecurities.

Hopefully you're breastfeeding, and baby will be healthy. Your diet,

health is key in this state.

> " The injuries occur so rarely hun! And niether of our

> families has ever had a reaction.

it's for you to determine whether the good health in your respective

famlies is 'because' of vaccines or 'inspite' of vaccines. I know a

lot of apparantly healthy people who 'smoke', 'drink' etc.

Try to get your ped to guarantee vaccine results (that kid will not

get disease), or take personal liability for vaccines. Also ask for

vaccine ingredients. It's a refreshing list.

rgds

Auj

> hi, I'm new to this group, as well as a new mom. My

> daugter Kyrra is almost 3 mo. I have had horrible

> attacts of paranoia over having her vaccinated. It

> scares me more then the thought of giving birth! She

> has had two vaccines, polio and hib. When we took her

> all I knew was to check the ingrediants for

> thimerosal. Those two didn't have it. I made the ped.

> space them apart by two weeks instead of having them

> given to her at the same time. Since then I have

> become more scared and more confused. She had another

> appointment with the ped last night, which we

> cancelled. I want to make an appointment to talk about

> delaying till she's at least two. I figure two years

> will give me plenty of time to become informed, but

> I'm not sure what will happen if we just stop in the

> middle of her vax? Should she finish the two she's

> had? She hasn't had any reactions, and I dose myself

> with echinaecha after evry one of her vax.

> I'm also worried about the dpt and the mmr. Our ped

> already agreed to get the mmr seperatly but, I've been

> reading and seperately doesn't sound like a safe plan

> either.

> It's hard for me also because my husband, his family

> and my family are all for vaccines. My husband is

> willing to back me but he doesn't see a problem. " The

> injuries occur so rarely hun! And niether of our

> families has ever had a reaction. Wouldn't you rather

> know that she couldn't get the diases'? "

> I'm really confused!

> But that's why I'm here! To gain some insight into

> this dilema!

> Tasha

>

> __________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

My husband is

willing to back me but he doesn't see a problem. " The

injuries occur so rarely hun! And niether of our

families has ever had a reaction. Wouldn't you rather

know that she couldn't get the diases'? "

I'm really confused!

But that's why I'm here! To gain some insight into

this dilema!

Tasha

Hey,girl. You've come to the right place. Im my opinion further vaxxing her

could hurt, not stopping the cycle. And if you decide to finish the series, Vit

A and C are also a good idea to supplement her with. If you want, I can email

you with more info and some websites to check. Vaxxing does not mean guaranteed

immunity so she can still get the disease vaxxed against. I don't know how

pro-life you are, but some of the vaxxes are made from aborted tissues and

thimerasol is not the only substance to be wary of!

Laurie<Oh boldml@ cros.net

" Example sheds a genial ray which men are apt to borrow,so first improve

yourself today, and then your friends tomorrow. " Unknown

" Let's not just transform those in need, we can also find ways to help

transform those in power. " Unknown

[Guest guest]

Tasha,

Welcome! It is such a tough road to follow, but I am

so happy to see you are at least questioning. Just so

you know, you do not HAVE to discuss with your pedi,

delaying. You can just refuse the shots. There may

be pressure, but just simply state that you are

looking into vaccines more, and until then, you do not

want to make a rash decision, and are therefor going

to refuse them until you have come to a decision. If

the doctor persists, you can do as I do with people

who try to push, and tell them the topic is not open

for discussion, and leave it at that. Definitely

check out the sites here, like Sheri's, Sandy's

whale-to, etc. Print some of the information out, and

if you have to, remove all bathroom 'reading'

material, and instead leave what you printed.

I am not completely certain, but from what I

understand, if you group vaccines together, and rate

their effectiveness, they are only 60% effective, at

best. They DO 'wear' out, thus the need for boosters.

Most times, children who catch these diseases that

are so feared, ARE vaccinated. This fact causes the

diseases to mutate (such as whooping cough). Also,

manytimes, children catch the disease FROM the

vaccines, i.e chicken pox, polio, etc.

If you make the wise decision (in MY opinion) to no

longer vaccinate, you will need to eat healthily, and

care for the body you were blessed with (and baby).

If you try to attain/maintain optimal health, even IF

your dd contracts these diseases, she will be able to

handle them so much better than a vaccinated child, a

vaccinated child that eats unhealthily, etc. It is an

extremely rare instance that one of these dieases is

fatal on it's own. The fatalities, WHEN they occur

(seldom) spring forth from complications due to

interventions, such as paracetamols, etc.

Before you continue the shots, ask questions here, and

we will help you to come to a decision that is right

for YOU. Glad you found us, and blessings to you and

yours.

~Donna

--- Tasha Curtis <spiritpatch@...> wrote:

> hi, I'm new to this group, as well as a new mom. My

> daugter Kyrra is almost 3 mo. I have had horrible

> attacts of paranoia over having her vaccinated. It

> scares me more then the thought of giving birth! She

> has had two vaccines, polio and hib. When we took

> her

> all I knew was to check the ingrediants for

> thimerosal. Those two didn't have it. I made the

> ped.

> space them apart by two weeks instead of having them

> given to her at the same time. Since then I have

> become more scared and more confused. She had

> another

> appointment with the ped last night, which we

> cancelled. I want to make an appointment to talk

> about

> delaying till she's at least two. I figure two years

> will give me plenty of time to become informed, but

> I'm not sure what will happen if we just stop in the

> middle of her vax? Should she finish the two she's

> had? She hasn't had any reactions, and I dose myself

> with echinaecha after evry one of her vax.

> I'm also worried about the dpt and the mmr. Our ped

> already agreed to get the mmr seperatly but, I've

> been

> reading and seperately doesn't sound like a safe

> plan

> either.

> It's hard for me also because my husband, his family

> and my family are all for vaccines. My husband is

> willing to back me but he doesn't see a problem.

> " The

> injuries occur so rarely hun! And niether of our

> families has ever had a reaction. Wouldn't you

> rather

> know that she couldn't get the diases'? "

> I'm really confused!

> But that's why I'm here! To gain some insight into

> this dilema!

> Tasha

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In a message dated 6/1/01 11:07:26 PM GTB Daylight Time,

HolisticMomma@... writes:

<<

husband. Force him to look at the pictures of dead and damaged children

over

at www.909shot.com and then read their stories of how they were killed and

damaged. >>

Could print it out and put it in the bathroom if he is the type to *read* in

there.Just remember to take everything else out!

Sara

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In a message dated 6/1/01 11:10:17 PM GTB Daylight Time,

mommylovesrj@... writes:

<<

check out the sites here, like Sheri's, Sandy's

whale-to, etc. Print some of the information out, and

if you have to, remove all bathroom 'reading'

material, and instead leave what you printed. >>

Lol I guess I should have read ahead!. But goodness I am behind on 300+

emails.

sara

[Guest guest]

I absolutely concur!! Altho, those on the other side

of this fence have other words for us...lunatic,

paranoid, uneducated...bet we could all come up with

one word, and never have any repeats!! But I so agree

.....we ARE smart, and very educated! (Patting self on

back) =oD

~Donna

--- HolisticMomma@... wrote:

> I've just been reading some of the responses to

> Tasha and one thought keeps

> coming to mind. " Damn, we're smart!!! "

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