RE: homosexuality -do not close debate.

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At 03:24 PM 12/1/2003 +0300, you wrote:

>Muthoni,

>If God already tells us what he wants in his word, to claim not to know

>what he wants is to ignore his word. The time to determine what God wants

>is not to wait for judgment day. God gives us the priviledge of getting to

>know him by revealing Himself to us. To claim to know him is only to take

>our rightful place as his children. I see no arrogance in doing so.

Oh, dear. Which god? Saying what? Where? translated by whom? You don't mean

Vishnu, do you? Or Quetzalcoatl?? Zeus, perhaps? Thoth? Yama? Ngai?

Or that judaeo-xtian one god--you know, the white guy with the long beard?

That's right--there's no arrogance in presuming that this god is THE god,

etc. No arrogance in saying that oppression is good cause god says so. No

foolishness in adopting such a view and fighting to keep that oppression

alive and bitter rather than do something genuinely helpful like secure

greater access to clean water, food and healthcare.

Perhaps this passage is the one you meant....in Leviticus, Ch. 25...

44: Both thy bondmen, and thy bondmaids, which thou shalt have, shall be of

the heathen that are round about you; of them shall ye buy bondmen and

bondmaids.

45: Moreover of the children of the strangers that do sojourn among you, of

them shall ye buy, and of their families that are with you, which they

begat in your land: and they shall be your possession.

46: And ye shall take them as an inheritance for your children after you,

to inherit them for a possession; they shall be your bondmen for ever: but

over your brethren the children of Israel, ye shall not rule one over

another with rigour.

47: And if a sojourner or stranger wax rich by thee, and thy brother that

dwelleth by him wax poor, and sell himself unto the stranger or sojourner

by thee, or to the stock of the stranger's family:

48: After that he is sold he may be redeemed again; one of his brethren may

redeem him:

49: Either his uncle, or his uncle's son, may redeem him, or any that is

nigh of kin unto him of his family may redeem him; or if he be able, he may

redeem himself.

50: And he shall reckon with him that bought him from the year that he was

sold to him unto the year of jubile: and the price of his sale shall be

according unto the number of years, according to the time of an hired

servant shall it be with him.

I know some white folks that say this is a FINE idea for assuring that

their slaves are taken a good care of. Word of God, right? So it's OK.

Let's save Africa from AIDS because it is economically sensible. Then we

can sell them into bondage!! Another reasonable, economic and sensible way

to save all them po' orphans, too, right? Sell the fit and vigorous ones

into slavery! Cause god says so.

And gee, LOTS of Africans are REALLY poor. Good for business, good for

Africans, good, by god.

M.