Re: ISS it finally happened....vent

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In a message dated 4/26/01 4:15:19 PM Central Daylight Time,

lowenthalrj@... writes:

> Are you sure Sara really bit her? If not, this might be a school board

> issue.

>

> (Glad to hear rabies isn't a concern! ;o) Shows your sense of twisted humor

> is still intact!)

>

> Judi

Hi Judi

You should seen the look on her Drs. face when I said.... " we are here to

check for rabies " lololol anyway he was upset too on the schools reaction to

this. He told me he's known Sara forever and he does not buy their stories,

that it was unprovoked.

She did come home with a clean bill of health, in fact he thinks she hung the

moon. Sara's more wittier whenever he is around, like maybe a patient/dr

crush is going on. She pulled her knock, knock joke on him and he said there

is nothing wrong with Sara except for maybe a little pent up frustration.

What a way to end a day.... Having a wonderful man see what you see

Kathy mom to Sara 9.............who has developed this twisted humor from our

great public education

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Oh, Kathy, that so stinks! Two hours facing the wall?! Who decided THAT?

We had a sped child (mostly included) who got ISS for something recently,

only the school made it OSS because they couldn't provide for ISS!! Watch

them. (ISS = in school suspension; OSS = out of school suspension)

Are you sure Sara really bit her? If not, this might be a school board

issue.

(Glad to hear rabies isn't a concern! ;o) Shows your sense of twisted humor

is still intact!)

Judi

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<< Sara was made to sit facing the wall

for 2 hours. >>

Did they DOCUMENT this? Doesn't that sound extreme? Is that legal? For ANY

child? No matter what they did?

And she is suspended for the biting incident? Yet they are admitting that

THEY dropped the ball?

This is scary!

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Kathy, I can hardly believe -2 hours!!!!!. Fifteen minutes would have

been too long. This whole thing is hard to believe, what kind of crazy

people are you dealing with. Please understand I am not doubting your word,

it just seems impossible any people could be so stupid and obnoxious. Thank

goodness for the doctor.

One of 's friends in school was always in trouble. I don't know

what he did, couldn't tell me. He was somewhat retarded, I don't

really know what his problem is, he looks normal and talks well till you talk

to him a bit and then realize something is not quite right. Anyway, if he

had been my kid I would have taken him out of there. He spent hours sitting

against the wall, but not facing it. They sometimes made kids stand facing

the wall, and once I saw a kid taped to the wall, just his head. They had

different ways of doing things. But not for 2 hours.!!! I don't think

suffered with any of those things, he seldom got in trouble.

You really need to go farther with this, hey how about the Supreme

Court? No, I don't think we can count on them any more, they're getting

weird. Sorry to ramble. Just want you to know we are all on your side. And

Sara's. You know we love Sara too. She's one of the " club " . Love, Jessie

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In a message dated 4/26/01 8:32:32 PM Central Daylight Time, Michdock@...

writes:

> << Sara was made to sit facing the wall

> for 2 hours. >>

> Did they DOCUMENT this?

*ME......Now they have since I request a written report with all of the

facts, I did tell them I will be amending it with facts I know about, they

said OK on this. I was given a notification form our county uses for

ISS...completely useless and lacking of all info

>Doesn't that sound extreme?

ME.....Yes very extreme, even the teachers involved said this was way out of

line, This was an administration decision, and no one took accountability

when I was in the Principals office this morning, all passed the buck and

when they did I insisted the person " blamed " get called into this informal

chat lol (only informal because I and coordinator were the only ones sitting

lol) I left not knowing who put Sara in time out for 2 hours, when I returned

to pick up Sara for her DR appt they said the findings on the investigation

were that the Principal told Sara's aide for Sara to sit and calm down and

then go back to work, supposedly this was blamed on miscommunication, now

remember Principal said she didn't take Sara back to class and 4 hours after

she said this she took the blame today...hmmmmmm confused yet?????

>Is that legal? For ANY child? No matter what they did?

Suspension is legal, Sara bit a child, but there are some detail protocol

that has to be followed out, like Sara must be aware of the school rule

etc.... Ona is going to a workshop this weekend in MS and will

ask him details of Sara's case. Sara knows biting is wrong but is she aware

this is a school policy??? NO and the consequences I don't

know.....suspension is really not what I'm upset about, it's the lack of the

school calling me and making me aware. I could have had a chance to question

Sara about the involvement of the other child if I was called but because

Sara was sooo upset by the time I got there, the recall was gone

> And she is suspended for the biting incident? Yet they are admitting that

> THEY dropped the ball?

> This is scary!

ME again........ yes, very scary, the lies, false stories, extreme

punishment, I mean do Reg Ed kids get reprimand by 5 adults after any

incident? NO but Sara was I did ask who all had contact with Sara after

this incident and who reprimanded her and 5 admitted they did.

Well, we will see how the New BIP meeting goes, notification call came while

I was at the DR's and they want to meet on the 7th, 5 days before her annual

IEP meeting. I will have their copy of the written report by then so Ill see

what I need to do after that. I could have accepted their apologies for

dropping the ball, if they hadn't tried to cover their rears and lie to me

Kathy mom to Sara 9

>

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In a message dated 04/26/2001 8:22:02 PM US Mountain Standard Time,

B4alltoday writes:

ME?<< >Is that legal? For ANY child? No matter what they did?

YOU! Suspension is legal, >>

Yes, I know that suspension is legal.. tho it does seem extreme in this case,

but what I was referring to is the 2 hour T.O. I would be hitting the roof..

BIGTIME!

LOL...I just made some noise about a teacher telling my NDA son that he and

our goats shared the same toothbrush. (Not the thing to do to a child in

front of his 6th grade class.)... I can just IMAGINE what type of noise I

would make about a 2 hour TO!!

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Kathy, This teacher was abusive to your daughter and I wouldn't tolerate

it. Our kids do exactly what everyone else's kids do but they don't have

the guile to keep from getting caught. I would insist that the child who

has been picking on Sara be disciplined as well. I would also tell that

teacher that she will NOT do that again. If Sara is suspended (which she

can be for this), then they should have had you there immediately. I have

seen provoked many a time. I have actually heard kids call him

retard in the halls. If he hit that same child who is tormenting him....Oh

well there are sometimes consequences for our actions.

Elaine

ISS it finally happened....vent

> Hi

>

> I debated whether to post this or not but I want to make sure I have not

> overlooked anything......plus you all are better than any anxiety drug

>

> There was an incident at school yesterday in which Sara bit (did not

break

> the skin) a child, not just any child, a child who has parents from H***

and

> are in a fantasy world about their own child. This child I have been told

> picks at Sara, like irritates her. I even heard this yesterday morning

before

> the incident. The problem is, Sara is not a biter, (hitter yes, has spit

on

> occasion yes)....it's been years since a biting incident and that time was

> questionable since the bus driver said it never happened.

>

> Here were the events.

> I had a scheduled conference with Sped teacher to write up goals and

> objectives, when I got there I found a distraught little girl, eyes

swollen,

> red in the face etc... Mrs. Sped said Sara was made to sit facing the wall

> for 2 hours. She found her like this and was instructed to leave her be

until

> her Mom/me comes....2 hours later. She did let Sara up when end of the day

> bell rang and minutes before I walked in. The teacher herself was upset,

this

> was way over the line she thought. But I know she doesn't have a contract

so

> she couldn't rock the boat ISS notification was given

>

> Today I took Sara into school, there was NO WAY I was leaving her without

> getting to the bottom of this. Yesterday I got a lot of " I don't know what

> happened but Sara is suspended " Yesterday no adult saw the incident, no

one

> knew if it was provoked or what happened but TODAY low and behold, at noon

it

> had been investigated...quote unquote and the Reg Ed teacher SAW

IT.....LIE

> LIE LIE she told two of us yesterday she didn't see it.

>

> Im not excusing Sara biting, even if this girl hurt her but it must known

no

> one is buying it as unprovoked.

>

> Well Im off to the Drs. office, to make sure Sara doesn't have a

> virus/infection lol nooo not for the bite (rabies no way) but her fatigue

and

> moods. I will discuss this incident with him and see what he says. Oooh

the

> school deeply apologized for dropping the ball with Sara yesterday, she

was

> unsupported in an area of her day and they had lack of communication on

her

> consequence ....yeah right

>

> Kathy mom to Sara 9...........who is trusting NO ONE now, they acted like

> Washington on this cover-up

>

>

> Please edit posts when replying!

>

>

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In a message dated 4/26/01 10:41:14 PM Central Daylight Time, Michdock writes:

> Yes, I know that suspension is legal.. tho it does seem extreme in this

> case, but what I was referring to is the 2 hour T.O. I would be hitting

the

> roof.. BIGTIME!

HI

Nope not legal in Sara's case, her current BIP states NOT to use " Prolonged

negative talk or punishment " that it seems to increase the incident. This is

ONE of the violations we found.

You all would have been so proud of me after having 5 hr. of sleep and

waking up twice in the middle of night with Sara (bad dreams Im

guessing...she was crying) I prayed in the car as I took Sara to school. I

prayed for a wise tongue, sharp mind, and a calm attitude. I was blessed

because all was granted My memory for recalling different facts for the

same time frame was sharp too heehee Now I will admit I was a bit nervous, I

have never liked the inside of a principal office....OK OK high school times,

so it left me a bit uncomfortable lol

Its been awhile since Ive had to deal with any confrontation with Sara's

team, I guess the practice Ive been receiving as a support person is helping

me be stronger. Its just so hard when its your own child I will be

dragging a support person with me to Sara's annual IEP (tape recorder too)

and probably the BIP meeting.

Kathy mom to Sara 9

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hey Kathy,

one of the big questions that needs to be asked, exactly what are the other

children required to DO during ISS? My guess is they DON'T sit facing the

wall for two hrs. Around here they have a room near the office where they

sit in a desk supposedly doing school work. butheres also computers in there

so they basically play. But while they are required to sit quietly at a

desk, they do have the choice to read or work on something while sitting

there.......but I suppose some do choose to count the ceiling tiles or cracks

in the walls. :-)

Joy

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In a message dated 4/27/01 7:18:15 AM Central Daylight Time, JTesmer799

writes:

> hey Kathy,

> one of the big questions that needs to be asked, exactly what are the

> other children required to DO during ISS? My guess is they DON'T sit

facing

> the wall for two hrs. Around here they have a room near the office where

> they sit in a desk supposedly doing school work. butheres also computers

in

> there so they basically play. But while they are required to sit quietly

at

> a desk, they do have the choice to read or work on something while sitting

> there.......but I suppose some do choose to count the ceiling tiles or

cracks

> in the walls. :-)

>

> Joy

Hi

I would not release Sara yesterday out of my hands until I found out what the

heck she was going to do in ISS. The told me they set up a session where they

would role playing " how to react " The behavior specialist was with her the

whole time (supposedly) and she pulled typical kids into this session. I also

told them I did not want any more reprimands of the biting incident, enough

is enough, she got lectured by 5 adults yesterday and I didn't want this to

carry into the next day. Im betting though they spent half of Sara's time in

ISS meeting to discuss how to get their butts out of trouble, well I know

they did. They told me the ISS was going to be only half a day so I checked

her out at noon to take her to he dr.

Kathy mom to Sara 9.......I think the ISS thing was for the benefit of the

other parent

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> Kathy mom to Sara 9.......I think the ISS thing was for the benefit of the

> other parent

Sara is provoked by another student, bites her and gets ISS.

, on the same day, bites a student and the other child is blamed. Go

figure! 's classmate did not provoke him either.

I still think 2 hours facing the wall is bizzare discipline and CPS should

be called. That is IMHO! Kathy, I know you are weighing this out with

the IEP coming up and all. Maybe the doctor will call it in?!?!

I had a rough time waking up this morning. He kept saying LET ME

SLEEP...lol! Oh, the speech is coming

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<<Kathy mom to Sara 9.......I think the ISS thing was for the benefit of

the

other parent>>

Hi Kathy,

I sometimes can not believe what I read. Seems that some school

personal ought

to go back somewhere for more learning! I just read of strapping a 5 yr

old to his

chair for 30 minutes because he is active and inquisitive. And a 2 hour

time out. I

wouldn't allow 1 minute! What is wrong with these people! Some of you

may

remember that Ted was suspended earlier this year. I guess his

infraction was bad

as he didn't start out with an ISS and went right to the 3 day out of

school. Like

it had any impact on him at all... I wonder whose benefit it was for.

Gail, mom to 20, 17, and Master Ted! age 9

gboughton@...

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Kathy,

i have been meaning to write to you about all this and tell ya how badly I

feel, about sara and everything, but i am very tired and stresed this week as

very well you must be!!!! But i got a sat nite chat thing going on tonight

and you were the main topic of conversation!!!! We all feel so badly about

what is happening to sara and about the ISS and everything.

Just to let you know, you really have a lot of support here!!!

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Pardon my ignorance but what is " ISS " ? I don't think I've ever heard of it.

thanks

Mac

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Hey where are you all Heehee

Kathy mom to Sara 9

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Hi

ISS is In School Suspension

Kathy mom to Sara 9

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<< Hey where are you all Heehee >>

Well, I was at the FAIR. ALL DAY LONG! Maverick and his Dad have been

camped out there all week with Porky. Maverick showed the pig twice, once

for showmanship and once for market and yesterday was the auction and he sold

the pig. Thank Goodness! They come home today. He did very well and

totally impressed me with all his skills of showing, knowing just how to hang

the pig brush from his hip pocket, directing the pig to where he wanted him

to go. His Father has done all the 4H work. Since I am in the center of all

his school and household life, it was very pleasant and surprising to see how

and the others in the club worked with him without me there to direct.

He was just one of the kids and accepted and challenged and praised. It was

so interesting that all his friends and their parents who see him included in

school, had no questions or concerns about him being in the 4H club. And I

didn't even have to have an IEP meeting!

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In a message dated 4/29/2001 10:46:52 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

Michdock@... writes:

> He did very well and

> totally impressed me with all his skills of showing, knowing just how to

> hang

> the pig brush from his hip pocket, directing the pig to where he wanted

> him

> to go.

Did he dress his pig up? My son put a tie on his pig one year and some of

the girls put curly ribbons on their pigs tails! ;-)

Cheryl in VA

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In a message dated 4/29/2001 11:53:12 AM Central Daylight Time,

gboughton@... writes:

> LOL! How great ! Give Mav a high 5 from Ted! Ted would love it!

>

> Gail, mom to 20, 17, and Master Ted! age 9

> gboughton@...

>

>

Hi Gail,

I'm assuming you mean Ted would love to participate in something like animal

showing?

While I'm not sure if there are 4h clubs around your area, for general

information to you and others here in case you aren't aware, city/town kids

can show farm animals without actually having to own or care for them 24/7.

What they do is 'lease' them from the farmer who owns them and they never

leave the farm til fair time. It requires that the child leasing, learn to

feed, groom and show them. The leaser is then responsible to care for them

during the fair/show. Usually they go out to the farm and care and practice

with the animal about once aweek, this is how some town kids get to show

cows, they acctually have an advantage over those of us who own cows cause

they can pick a farm that has always placed pretty good in shows.

has always enjoyed showing, but if she does this year it will have to be

in open shows because wasn't able to go to meetings this year so

neither are in 4h.

:-( Hopefully will take her to a show or two. But who knows........

Joy

PS Congrats to Mav for doing a good job. :-)

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<< While I'm not sure if there are 4h clubs around your area, for general

information to you and others here in case you aren't aware, city/town kids

can show farm animals without actually having to own or care for them 24/7. >>

There are also lots of ways to participate in 4H without using farm animals.

There are rabbits, guinea pigs, and pigeons in the animal category. And

without animals there is photography, cake decorating, archery, etc. In Az

kids have to be 9 to participate in showing, but from 5 to 9 they can be in a

group that is called Clover Kids. They do their own type of activities and

even have a display in the halls. One club we were in let the Clover Kids

" help " their older sibs or they hooked them up with an older particpant to

learn to care for the animals.

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<< Did he dress his pig up? >>

Nope, didn't dress the pig up. They judge would have booted him out! Very

interesting, in the past the kids were told to hold a hand behind their back,

keep their eyes on the judge and SMILE all the time. We worked with

Maverick for the years before he actually was old enough to show and he had

it down pat! Well, the first year he showed, there was a different judge.

He told the kids he had better not see them smiling out there... 4H was

serious business....and keep their eyes on the pigs not him! Well, how do we

UNTEACH Mr. ROUTINE in a few days! He did as well as the rest of the kids

who had been smiling for year.

THIS year, he knew not to smile. When he was doing the auction, I told him

to enjoy himself and smile...the judging was over and he said, " NOPE,NOT ME! "

!! He adapts better than I do!!

..... who is dreading the laundry that will come home with the boys from

the Fair today!!

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<<It was

so interesting that all his friends and their parents who see him

included in

school, had no questions or concerns about him being in the 4H club.

And I

didn't even have to have an IEP meeting!

>>

LOL! How great ! Give Mav a high 5 from Ted! Ted would love it!

Gail, mom to 20, 17, and Master Ted! age 9

gboughton@...

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And don't they always say things you don't really want to hear? ;o)

Judi

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From: [mailto:cindysue@...]

I had a rough time waking up this morning. He kept saying LET ME

SLEEP...lol! Oh, the speech is coming

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In a message dated 5/3/01 7:42:11 AM Central Daylight Time,

lowenthalrj@... writes:

> And don't they always say things you don't really want to hear? ;o)

>

> Judi

>

Oh, yes, I remember 's speech therapist saying, " Are you really

sure you want him to talk? " His first 4 word sentence was " Shut the damn

door!! "

Jessie

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My son ds 9yrs., is a 4her and shows in the fair.

As we are a non animal orientated group we show

projects from woodworking, leather stamping to sewing.

Also horticulture is a big deal with our club.

shows flowers and vegtables that he helps grow. This

year we are going to do plant classifications in the

form of collections. My 4hers love this. Pam who sells

perrenials and herbs and loves to pass on my knowledge

to the kids. Pam

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