Re: State Hospitals

[Guest guest]

I work with adults with disabilities that were placed in institutions and

nursing homes ...... and they can't get out. Make no mistake, it's awful for

them, a terrible prison. And they were forced there with no say so, whether

by their parents or by social services, they had no choice. There are few

people sympathetic to their plight. The institution workers won't help or

support them, that would mean their paycheck would be affected. The social

workers keep telling them they are better off in the nursing homes than

anywhere else. Many of these adults have the same hopes and dreams we do ...

some have much simpler ones.

I did tell you about the worker at the institution closest to me that was

using patients there for target practice with his Co2 pellet gun, right? Who

needs that kind of care?

I won't even tell you about the women who have been raped or the number of

patients who have died in Virginia's state hospitals ... it would sicken you.

The one facility here that takes in the babies to 18 yos with disabilities

says they have an average of one child a month die there. And that's

acceptable. The irony of this statistic is it was used in an article about a

mom who refused to put her son in that place, even when docs told her he

would die if she kept him home. Forty years later he is still alive and

doing very well. Wonder if he would have been one of the monthly deaths if

she had decided to place him there?

Cheryl in VA

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 3/15/2001 8:19:13 PM Eastern Standard Time,

rdill@... writes:

> Clearly we are not talking about the same population. We HAVE closed

> almost all the institutions and we still have some abuse, but now in a

> less restrictive setting.

>

We still have plenty here in VA, PLENTY!! And I am not talking about

elderly people deteriorating and placed in a nursing home by their family.

So, exactly what are you saying .... that the adults with disabilities I

know, the ones that do not wish to live in the nursing homes and

institutions, who want to be out in the community, who wish to leave these

institutions, that want a choice, they should be denied that right if someone

else feels the institution or hospital is their best location?

Cheryl in VA

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 03/15/2001 6:17:07 PM US Mountain Standard Time,

rdill@... writes:

<< There

are also some parents of adults with extreme disability who do not

believe that there is a suitable 'out-of-hospital' environment that

could take adequate care of their offspring. >>

When we had one of our Group Homes, they were in the midst of trying to get

the residents out of institutions. There was a man who was 22 and had DS and

had been there since he was 6. His parents were fighting to keep him in the

institution. His mother worked a block away from our group home at a nursing

home. We fought and got him in our group home. We took him to church with

us, which was the same church his parents went to. They would not even look

at him. After about 10 yrs they started coming to visit a week before his

birthday for an hour or so. Now his mother has died and his father still

" visits " with him, but they never take him home for holidays. He is 43 and

for the last 17 yrs he has flown from WI to AZ to spend 2 weeks with us at

Christmas.

He is so smart and he is always asking me how to spell things. Such a waste

of teaching time when he was young. He has learned so much about how to care

for himself. He will always live in a group home but he has a very full and

active LIFE. Knowing what he COULD have been is a major factor behind our

pushing with Maverick all the time. We want to give Mav every opportunity

that is available and THEN some.

I have worked in institutions and I know they served a purpose when they were

open. However, they are not a subsitute for a HOME and I am glad that there

are other alternatives for adults and children with disabilities now.

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 3/15/01 4:39:52 PM Central Standard Time,

rdill@... writes:

> This has become an issue in CT as some (not the parents) 'do gooders'

> try to close the last remaining care facilities as inhumane. It isn't

> at all clear that these facilities are inhumane. The parents feel

> strongly that they are needed for their particular child/adult, as to

> many of the medical advisors.

>

This went on in Kansas too. I think there is still one state inst.

for the very seriously disabled. There are some private facilities as well,

but most have gone into group homes. Some good and some not so good. My

idea of a group home would be a group of adults who could basically care for

themselves with some help. But some, it seems to me, are like an insti. only

smaller. There have been some deaths in this area in the past year, in one

case a " caretaker " took two men for an outing, then left them locked in a car

for so long they died of heat. I never did know for sure if they had DS,

there were varying reports. That kind of thing really scares me.

Jessie

[Guest guest]

This just about does me in. I didn't know this was still going one in

this country. How horrible! There are elderly people in nursing homes not

much better too. It is a deplorable situation. Jessie

[Guest guest]

Cheryl

Yes there are (and have been) abuses, far too many, but that isn't the

whole story. There are a few who need 24 hour intensive care. There

are also some parents of adults with extreme disability who do not

believe that there is a suitable 'out-of-hospital' environment that

could take adequate care of their offspring. There are not many of

these, but they exist. That is why it has been easy for most states to

close 'nearly all' of the institutions.

There are also other adults that require similar intensive care, either

transiently or chronically. Sometimes it is illness, sometimes ageing,

sometimes accident. I watched my own mother go from living

independently to increasing levels of care in the last year of her

life. She did not want to be there and sometimes was near violence, but

she had to have the care. Fortunately she had 93 good years and only

one hard one.

If nursing home .. or group home .. or whatever lesser level of care

will work, it should be used. Sometimes a 'hospital' is what is

required.

Clearly we are not talking about the same population. We HAVE closed

almost all the institutions and we still have some abuse, but now in a

less restrictive setting.

Rick

Wildwards@... wrote:

>

> I work with adults with disabilities that were placed in institutions

> and

> nursing homes ...... and they can't get out. Make no mistake, it's

> awful for

> them, a terrible prison. And they were forced there with no say so,

> whether

> by their parents or by social services, they had no choice. There are

> few

> people sympathetic to their plight. The institution workers won't

> help or

> support them, that would mean their paycheck would be affected. The

> social

> workers keep telling them they are better off in the nursing homes

> than

> anywhere else. Many of these adults have the same hopes and dreams we

> do ...

> some have much simpler ones.

>

> I did tell you about the worker at the institution closest to me that

> was

> using patients there for target practice with his Co2 pellet gun,

> right? Who

> needs that kind of care?

> I won't even tell you about the women who have been raped or the

> number of

> patients who have died in Virginia's state hospitals ... it would

> sicken you.

> The one facility here that takes in the babies to 18 yos with

> disabilities

> says they have an average of one child a month die there. And that's

> acceptable. The irony of this statistic is it was used in an article

> about a

> mom who refused to put her son in that place, even when docs told her

> he

> would die if she kept him home. Forty years later he is still alive

> and

> doing very well. Wonder if he would have been one of the monthly

> deaths if

> she had decided to place him there?

> Cheryl in VA

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 3/15/01 9:41:26 PM Central Standard Time, Michdock@...

writes:

> home. We fought and got him in our group home. We took him to church with

> us, which was the same church his parents went to. They would not even

> look

> at him. After about 10 yrs they started coming to visit a week before his

> birthday for an hour or so. Now his mother has died and his father still

> " visits " with him, but they never take him home for holidays.

Such a sad story but I know there are many like that without always

the happy ending. Jessie

[Guest guest]

Cheryl,

We are not talking about the same population at all. In the many

institutions there are a couple of percent of people who need mor than

they can get in the community.

Those who can be out should be out.

Why do you flame my every post on this subject. I have been clear in

what I said.

My own daughter was confined to an institution for more than two months

this year. When she didn't need the care she was out. She DID NOT want

to be there. Sometimes we have to take care of the medical needs of the

patients.

Rick ... do you mean choice or 'informed choice; .. and how do you get

the latter?

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 3/16/2001 12:00:43 AM Eastern Standard Time,

rdill@... writes:

> My own daughter was confined to an institution for more than two months

> this year. When she didn't need the care she was out. She DID NOT want

> to be there. Sometimes we have to take care of the medical needs of the

> patients.

>

> Rick ... do you mean choice or 'informed choice; .. and how do you get

> the latter?

>

First, I am sorry if my question about clarification seemed like a flame to

you. But having different opinions or expressing them does not constitute

flaming.

Second, your daughter was temporarily in a medical institute for care ... not

the same as placed there forever. If you think most of the people remaining

in institutions cannot live elsewhere, I disagree with you. I see people all

the time that want to get out, should get out, and are asking for help to get

out. We even have the institutions' employees calling us asking for help to

get some of the people they know can live in better situations. Maybe this

is just another issue where VA is behind other states.

Third, another question. What do you mean by how do you get the latter?

From service providers that actually tell you what your options are? By

having people involved that care about your feelings and what quality of life

you desire? By someone actually explaining your options or willing to find a

way to make outside situations work if that is what you want?

Did anyone catch ER last night? A 10 year old boy, parapalegic from a car

wreck came to the hospital with a UTI he diagnosed himself , very articulate,

very intelligent child, impressed the doctors... guess where he lived?

Nursing home. EXACTLY the type of people I am talking about!

Cheryl in VA

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 3/16/2001 7:15:57 AM Eastern Standard Time,

bspyle@... writes:

> AND I've told my three other children

> that they can toss me in a ditch when I'm too old to care for myself, but

> they may NOT put me in a nursing home.

>

I try very hard to keep in mind that there are families that cannot care

for their older members and there is a real need for this type of facility.

I am sure somewhere there are some good ones. I have only visited three and

they were all very similar .... smells that couldn't be masked, people

moaning and calling out constantly, and such a lack of privacy. My best

friend's grandmother used to tell me some great stories about what was

happening in her nursing home when I visited her. I didn't believe the naked

man visiting her until he popped in her room one day when I was there! ;-)

The saddest thing was people begging me to take them home when I would leave

.... just broke your heart.

Cheryl in VA

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 3/16/01 4:59:40 AM Central Standard Time,

wildwards@... writes:

> From service providers that actually tell you what your options are? By

> having people involved that care about your feelings and what quality of

> life

> you desire? By someone actually explaining your options or willing to

find

> a

> way to make outside situations work if that is what you want?

Boy Cheryl these folks who DO NOT give any options must come from the same

school as the school administrators who DO NOT give you any options of

placements, in school. They have their own ideas as to where your child is

best served.

Parents beware.......there are always options of services, in all walks of

life

Kathy mom to Sara 9

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 3/16/01 7:01:34 AM Central Standard Time,

bspyle@... writes:

> And I hope my children will do the same for me. If they can't

> for some reason, then toss me in a ditch.

>

> granny

NO Way Granny we will just pass you house to house on this list Heehee

imagine the grand time you will have visiting all of the wonderful places

Now this is what my sisters and I have agreed upon, Mom will not go into a

nursing home, we will just pass her around...let's see...that is 4 months a

piece, yeah I can do that. My house is like a half way house anyway. Big kids

just left and now my nephew (12 yr old) who has a new stepmom YIKES, wants to

move in Heehee

Who knows, he might be here this weekend

Kathy mom to Sara 9

[Guest guest]

I would like to point out that in some of these places, men are raped with

the same frequency as women. I am horrified at the thought of and

ending up in an institution. AND I've told my three other children

that they can toss me in a ditch when I'm too old to care for myself, but

they may NOT put me in a nursing home.

granny

---

" Beautiful that war and all its deeds of carnage must

in time be utterly lost. " -- Walt Whitman

http://www.bspyle.com/granny.html

Re: State Hospitals

> I work with adults with disabilities that were placed in institutions and

> nursing homes ...... and they can't get out. Make no mistake, it's awful

for

> them, a terrible prison. And they were forced there with no say so,

whether

> by their parents or by social services, they had no choice. There are few

> people sympathetic to their plight. The institution workers won't help or

> support them, that would mean their paycheck would be affected. The

social

> workers keep telling them they are better off in the nursing homes than

> anywhere else. Many of these adults have the same hopes and dreams we do

....

> some have much simpler ones.

>

> I did tell you about the worker at the institution closest to me that was

> using patients there for target practice with his Co2 pellet gun, right?

Who

> needs that kind of care?

> I won't even tell you about the women who have been raped or the number of

> patients who have died in Virginia's state hospitals ... it would sicken

you.

> The one facility here that takes in the babies to 18 yos with

disabilities

> says they have an average of one child a month die there. And that's

> acceptable. The irony of this statistic is it was used in an article

about a

> mom who refused to put her son in that place, even when docs told her he

> would die if she kept him home. Forty years later he is still alive and

> doing very well. Wonder if he would have been one of the monthly deaths if

> she had decided to place him there?

> Cheryl in VA

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I understand that some elders have no choice, nor do their families, if

indeed they have any. However, my mother changed my diapers and, by george,

I could change hers. When she became too feeble to care for herself, I quit

my job and moved her in with and me. She died in her own bed, holding

our hands. The last thing she said to me was " I love you. " My father died

about 10 previous to that, in a hospital, hooked up to all sorts of

machines, back in the days when " pulling the plug " meant taking the doctors

to court. Mother asked that I promise she would not end up like that. It was

an easy promise to make and keep and I'm glad I did. Not everyone is as

lucky as I. And I hope my children will do the same for me. If they can't

for some reason, then toss me in a ditch.

granny

---

" Beautiful that war and all its deeds of carnage must

in time be utterly lost. " -- Walt Whitman

http://www.bspyle.com/granny.html

Re: State Hospitals

> In a message dated 3/16/2001 7:15:57 AM Eastern Standard Time,

> bspyle@... writes:

>

>

> > AND I've told my three other children

> > that they can toss me in a ditch when I'm too old to care for myself,

but

> > they may NOT put me in a nursing home.

> >

>

> I try very hard to keep in mind that there are families that cannot care

> for their older members and there is a real need for this type of

facility.

> I am sure somewhere there are some good ones. I have only visited three

and

> they were all very similar .... smells that couldn't be masked, people

> moaning and calling out constantly, and such a lack of privacy. My best

> friend's grandmother used to tell me some great stories about what was

> happening in her nursing home when I visited her. I didn't believe the

naked

> man visiting her until he popped in her room one day when I was there! ;-)

> The saddest thing was people begging me to take them home when I would

leave

> ... just broke your heart.

>

> Cheryl in VA

>

[Guest guest]

Considering my husband and I have cared for his mother for the past 3 long

years in our home (she has Alzheimer's and lung cancer) - this topic has

come up for us during the more " tense " times.

I have decided if I ever get to that point, that he is please get me a

Kevorkian gift certificate and he says I should put him in a wheelchair and

shove him off a cliff ;-). I said I couldn't do that and he said, " On

second thought, well put my a** in a home and bring me a pizza and a beer

once in awhile. "

The " good as it gets " hospitals/nursing are way out of the question for most

people. Joe's an only child, so we are it. It's not the best for our

family some days I'm sure, but it's the way it is and God will decide when

it's her time.

He's a great son and a great husband and Dad. We are all fortunate even on

the bad days.

Sharon

Mom to Chandra, , Holly 15, 13 (Dyslexia, Hope 10 & 6

(Ds)

Re: State Hospitals

>

>

> > I work with adults with disabilities that were placed in institutions

and

> > nursing homes ...... and they can't get out. Make no mistake, it's

awful

> for

> > them, a terrible prison. And they were forced there with no say so,

> whether

> > by their parents or by social services, they had no choice. There are

few

> > people sympathetic to their plight. The institution workers won't help

or

> > support them, that would mean their paycheck would be affected. The

> social

> > workers keep telling them they are better off in the nursing homes than

> > anywhere else. Many of these adults have the same hopes and dreams we

do

> ...

> > some have much simpler ones.

> >

> > I did tell you about the worker at the institution closest to me that

was

> > using patients there for target practice with his Co2 pellet gun, right?

> Who

> > needs that kind of care?

> > I won't even tell you about the women who have been raped or the number

of

> > patients who have died in Virginia's state hospitals ... it would sicken

> you.

> > The one facility here that takes in the babies to 18 yos with

> disabilities

> > says they have an average of one child a month die there. And that's

> > acceptable. The irony of this statistic is it was used in an article

> about a

> > mom who refused to put her son in that place, even when docs told her he

> > would die if she kept him home. Forty years later he is still alive and

> > doing very well. Wonder if he would have been one of the monthly deaths

if

> > she had decided to place him there?

> > Cheryl in VA

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 3/16/2001 5:59:42 AM Eastern Standard Time,

wildwards@... writes:

<< Did anyone catch ER last night? A 10 year old boy, parapalegic from a car

wreck came to the hospital with a UTI he diagnosed himself , very

articulate,

very intelligent child, impressed the doctors... guess where he lived?

Nursing home. EXACTLY the type of people I am talking about!

>>

Ummmmmm, I did see that episode of ER. The child lived in a nursing home,

because that's where his grandmother lived & he stayed with her. It was an

" elder " nursing home. It became his home after she died.

As he said, it's right across the street from his school & the " folks " at the

nursing home liked having him there.

***Just NOTE: The articulate child was an actor & not a good representation

of the majority of people living in a residential nursing home

setting....IMHO.

Carry on,

Sandy O.

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 3/16/2001 10:05:32 AM Central Standard Time,

b4alltoday@... writes:

> Now this is what my sisters and I have agreed upon, Mom will not go into a

> nursing home, we will just pass her around...let's see...that is 4 months a

>

Now so far this is kinda what my kids have in mind for their sister. We

haven't really decided how to actually handle that yet. But they've all

worked in care positions, and in the group home type of thing

and Kristi helped care for a woman with some degenrate muscle desiese. They

all weren't really impressed with the level of help that work in these

places. Some are really good, but to many rush right through without really

looking at the person. Does this mean they didn't have their days, of course

not. LOL I Think everyone has days they'd rather not admit to, where they

were hurried or impation? But they said alot of them really don't care

they're just there for the money and it shows. sigh. Time will tell how we

work it all out. Hopefully something that's best for all. The best thing

would be if she could live independantly with daily supervision, but right

now that's hard to envision. hehe

joy

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 3/16/01 6:16:11 AM Central Standard Time,

bspyle@... writes:

>

> I would like to point out that in some of these places, men are raped with

> the same frequency as women. I am horrified at the thought of and

> ending up in an institution. AND I've told my three other children

> that they can toss me in a ditch when I'm too old to care for myself, but

> they may NOT put me in a nursing home.

>

> granny

> ---

> I agree. I DO NOT ever intend to go in one, and have told my daughter so.

> My friend is going through a nightmare with this situation with her

> mother, who is in such a place. And she can't do anything because her

> brother is the mother's guardian and HE wants her there. The mother is 100

> years old and is getting care that amounts to abuse. C. has reported it to

> authorities, etc but nothing seems to be done.

> That's another thing, does NOT have a guardian, and never will,

> I hope. Some people feel that will make it easier for a brother or sister

> to take over when they are gone. That's just the trouble, it makes it

> easier for someone to take over.

> No way.

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 3/16/2001 6:45:16 PM Eastern Standard Time, Gwhiz@...

writes:

> The child lived in a nursing home,

> because that's where his grandmother lived & he stayed with her

He didn't say she lived there too, he said he went there to live after she

died. And yes he was an actor, but many of the story lines they use are from

real life. I know some very articulate people in wheelchairs living in

nursing homes, teenagers and young adults.

Cheryl in VA

[Guest guest]

There was a recent case that went all the way to the Supreme Court from

Georgia. The inmates (that's what they are called just like prison) were

developmentally disabled (don't know exact diagnosis) young men. They

wanted to live in the community. They found an attorney to take their case

and sued. The Supreme Court decided that Georgia could take as long as they

needed to provide community supports (which these men could not get along

without) and so the men had to stay incarcerated. This Supreme Court is

VERY disability UNfriendly. (bad grammar I know) They just ruled against

the ADA as well. All those lovely Reagan appointees.

Elaine

Re: State Hospitals

> In a message dated 3/16/2001 12:00:43 AM Eastern Standard Time,

> rdill@... writes:

>

>

> > My own daughter was confined to an institution for more than two months

> > this year. When she didn't need the care she was out. She DID NOT want

> > to be there. Sometimes we have to take care of the medical needs of the

> > patients.

> >

> > Rick ... do you mean choice or 'informed choice; .. and how do you get

> > the latter?

> >

>

> First, I am sorry if my question about clarification seemed like a flame

to

> you. But having different opinions or expressing them does not constitute

> flaming.

> Second, your daughter was temporarily in a medical institute for care ...

not

> the same as placed there forever. If you think most of the people

remaining

> in institutions cannot live elsewhere, I disagree with you. I see people

all

> the time that want to get out, should get out, and are asking for help to

get

> out. We even have the institutions' employees calling us asking for help

to

> get some of the people they know can live in better situations. Maybe

this

> is just another issue where VA is behind other states.

> Third, another question. What do you mean by how do you get the latter?

> From service providers that actually tell you what your options are? By

> having people involved that care about your feelings and what quality of

life

> you desire? By someone actually explaining your options or willing to

find a

> way to make outside situations work if that is what you want?

>

> Did anyone catch ER last night? A 10 year old boy, parapalegic from a car

> wreck came to the hospital with a UTI he diagnosed himself , very

articulate,

> very intelligent child, impressed the doctors... guess where he lived?

> Nursing home. EXACTLY the type of people I am talking about!

>

> Cheryl in VA

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

My mother and her sisters and brothers took turns looking after their mother

in her home during the last year of her life. I thought that great of them.

My mother was taking care of her when she died. Very touching story it is,

too, that I will share with anyone interested. Just make sure you have

plenty of hankies handy.

granny

---

" Beautiful that war and all its deeds of carnage must

in time be utterly lost. " -- Walt Whitman

http://www.bspyle.com/granny.html

Re: State Hospitals

> In a message dated 3/16/01 7:01:34 AM Central Standard Time,

> bspyle@... writes:

>

> > And I hope my children will do the same for me. If they can't

> > for some reason, then toss me in a ditch.

> >

> > granny

>

> NO Way Granny we will just pass you house to house on this list Heehee

> imagine the grand time you will have visiting all of the wonderful places

>

> Now this is what my sisters and I have agreed upon, Mom will not go into a

> nursing home, we will just pass her around...let's see...that is 4 months

a

> piece, yeah I can do that. My house is like a half way house anyway. Big

kids

> just left and now my nephew (12 yr old) who has a new stepmom YIKES, wants

to

> move in Heehee

>

> Who knows, he might be here this weekend

>

> Kathy mom to Sara 9

>

[Guest guest]

LOL! I just may take you up on it, too!

granny

---

" Beautiful that war and all its deeds of carnage must

in time be utterly lost. " -- Walt Whitman

http://www.bspyle.com/granny.html

Re: State Hospitals

> In a message dated 3/16/01 7:01:34 AM Central Standard Time,

> bspyle@... writes:

>

> > And I hope my children will do the same for me. If they can't

> > for some reason, then toss me in a ditch.

> >

> > granny

>

> NO Way Granny we will just pass you house to house on this list Heehee

> imagine the grand time you will have visiting all of the wonderful places

>

> Now this is what my sisters and I have agreed upon, Mom will not go into a

> nursing home, we will just pass her around...let's see...that is 4 months

a

> piece, yeah I can do that. My house is like a half way house anyway. Big

kids

> just left and now my nephew (12 yr old) who has a new stepmom YIKES, wants

to

> move in Heehee

>

> Who knows, he might be here this weekend

>

> Kathy mom to Sara 9

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

You said a mouthful, Jessie. I have a close friend who put her husband in a

nursing home after his Alzheimer's took hold. She had to be there every day

to make sure he was bathed, fed, etc. After a month, she told them that

since she had to take care of him anyway, she was taking him home and she

did. She cared for him for five years at home until he died. There is

in-home help available for those who truly wish to care for their loved ones

at home.

granny

---

" Beautiful that war and all its deeds of carnage must

in time be utterly lost. " -- Walt Whitman

http://www.bspyle.com/granny.html

Re: State Hospitals

> In a message dated 3/16/01 6:16:11 AM Central Standard Time,

> bspyle@... writes:

>

>

> >

> > I would like to point out that in some of these places, men are raped

with

> > the same frequency as women. I am horrified at the thought of and

> > ending up in an institution. AND I've told my three other children

> > that they can toss me in a ditch when I'm too old to care for myself,

but

> > they may NOT put me in a nursing home.

> >

> > granny

> > ---

> > I agree. I DO NOT ever intend to go in one, and have told my daughter

so.

> > My friend is going through a nightmare with this situation with her

> > mother, who is in such a place. And she can't do anything because her

> > brother is the mother's guardian and HE wants her there. The mother is

100

> > years old and is getting care that amounts to abuse. C. has reported it

to

> > authorities, etc but nothing seems to be done.

> > That's another thing, does NOT have a guardian, and never

will,

> > I hope. Some people feel that will make it easier for a brother or

sister

> > to take over when they are gone. That's just the trouble, it makes it

> > easier for someone to take over.

> > No way.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hey Granny-you can come and stay here for awhile-we may even be able to get

here for you

Leis

Re: State Hospitals

LOL! I just may take you up on it, too!

granny

---

" Beautiful that war and all its deeds of carnage must

in time be utterly lost. " -- Walt Whitman

http://www.bspyle.com/granny.html

Re: State Hospitals

> In a message dated 3/16/01 7:01:34 AM Central Standard Time,

> bspyle@... writes:

>

> > And I hope my children will do the same for me. If they can't

> > for some reason, then toss me in a ditch.

> >

> > granny

>

> NO Way Granny we will just pass you house to house on this list Heehee

> imagine the grand time you will have visiting all of the wonderful places

>

> Now this is what my sisters and I have agreed upon, Mom will not go into a

> nursing home, we will just pass her around...let's see...that is 4 months

a

> piece, yeah I can do that. My house is like a half way house anyway. Big

kids

> just left and now my nephew (12 yr old) who has a new stepmom YIKES, wants

to

> move in Heehee

>

> Who knows, he might be here this weekend

>

> Kathy mom to Sara 9

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

test......

Re: State Hospitals

>

>

> > In a message dated 3/16/01 7:01:34 AM Central Standard Time,

> > bspyle@... writes:

> >

> > > And I hope my children will do the same for me. If they can't

> > > for some reason, then toss me in a ditch.

> > >

> > > granny

> >

> > NO Way Granny we will just pass you house to house on this list Heehee

> > imagine the grand time you will have visiting all of the wonderful

places

>

> >

> > Now this is what my sisters and I have agreed upon, Mom will not go into

a

> > nursing home, we will just pass her around...let's see...that is 4

months

> a

> > piece, yeah I can do that. My house is like a half way house anyway. Big

> kids

> > just left and now my nephew (12 yr old) who has a new stepmom YIKES,

wants

> to

> > move in Heehee

> >

> > Who knows, he might be here this weekend

> >

> > Kathy mom to Sara 9

> >

> >

> >