Guest guest Posted October 24, 2007 Report Share Posted October 24, 2007 In a message dated 10/24/2007 12:38:24 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, vaccineinfo@... writes: having a bowel movement only once a week is NOT OK. goes every other say and it has been 2 days she said as long as hes going once a week but that was when he was born and she said their bodies adjusy to eating etc ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 24, 2007 Report Share Posted October 24, 2007 did your child experience any side affects? Tanner <colinjennytanner@...> wrote: Hello everyone, I was on a bulletin board on babycenter.ca and someone referred to the group. I am a mother of a boy that will turn 1 in December and expecting baby #2 in February. After seeing the Oprah show on vaccinations, it has really made me realize I need to do more research in order to feel comfortable with a decision to or not to vaccinate. I have currently had my son vaccinated up to this point, however, will be making the future decisions a lot more serious. Thank you for the information provided in this group, I look forward to learning a lot! Be smarter than spam. See how smart SpamGuard is at giving junk email the boot with the All-new at http://mrd.mail./try_beta?.intl=ca Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 24, 2007 Report Share Posted October 24, 2007 2 of my children have had side effects. my girl screamed2hours after 18mo shots. My son stopped having bowel movements after his 2mo shots. At the 2 month shot they gave him roteq an oral vaccine for rotovirus, I believe the oral vaccine is the cause of his even now continuing bowel problems. I have a six yo also and I will be giving no more vaccines. I have researched this matter throughly and do not feel the risk of the shots are worth the chance of temporary immunity. Make sure to read the pamplet with the vaccine, you have to ask for it. Alluminuim and thermisol(mercury) are toxic substances.-joanna Vaccinations@...: lightning30fwi@...: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 07:53:08 -0700Subject: Re: Introduction did your child experience any side affects? Tanner <colinjennytanner@...> wrote: Hello everyone,I was on a bulletin board on babycenter.ca and someone referred to the group. I am a mother of a boy that will turn 1 in December and expecting baby #2 in February. After seeing the Oprah show on vaccinations, it has really made me realize I need to do more research in order to feel comfortable with a decision to or not to vaccinate. I have currently had my son vaccinated up to this point, however, will be making the future decisions a lot more serious. Thank you for the information provided in this group, I look forward to learning a lot!Be smarter than spam. See how smart SpamGuard is at giving junk email the boot with the All-new Mail at http://mrd.mail./try_beta?.intl=ca[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]__________________________________________________Do You ?Tired of spam? has the best spam protection around http://mail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 24, 2007 Report Share Posted October 24, 2007 what kind of lining problems, i have seached every where for info on this and have had no luck. the dr and er won't even make an association with the vaccine. does anyone know what i can do to counter act bowel problems caused by this? he is 5 months old now exclusively breastfed and only pooping aprox once a week still, 2.5 months after the vaccine. Vaccinations@...: K05CORNE@...: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 11:35:57 -0400Subject: Re: Introduction In a message dated 10/24/2007 11:25:33 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, joannalswan@... writes:him roteq an oral vaccine for rotovirus, I believe the oral vaccine is the cause of his even now continuing bowel problemsMy peds office wont give this one.My ped told me this one can cause problems to the lining of stomach she explained it all to me and i said some places still give it she said yes but we dont cause the problem it can cause etc why give it when theres a chance it could do that.************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 24, 2007 Report Share Posted October 24, 2007 At 12:12 PM 10/24/2007 EDT, you wrote: >aww that would be a tuff call cause my little one hasnt has any shots but >goes every other day or 2 and hes on bm. Doc said as long as he goes 1 a week >its ok. She didn't give it a name she used her hands and told me ho the mining >overlaps something or something to that nature but didn't say a name just >said it causes problems so they choose not to use it.We havent vaxed yet when i >took him in hes was sick they would of done them but i said no and anted to >research doing them delaying etc. Hes due for 2mon but is not gonna get them >hopefully this time i will just tell her no we wont be so it wont be asked >anymore > She is talking about intussusception - where the bowel telescopes in on itself - that is what got the first one removed from the market and also seeing it in this one. having a bowel movement only once a week is NOT OK. -------------------------------------------------------- Sheri Nakken, former R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK $$ Donations to help in the work - accepted by Paypal account earthmysteriestours@... voicemail US 530-740-0561 (go to http://www.paypal.com) or by mail Vaccines - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm or http://www.wellwithin1.com/vaccine.htm Vaccine Dangers On-Line course - http://www.wellwithin1.com/vaccineclass.htm Reality of the Diseases & Treatment - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccineclass.htm Homeopathy On-Line course - http://www.wellwithin1.com/homeo.htm NEXT CLASSES start by email October 17 & 18 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 24, 2007 Report Share Posted October 24, 2007 the dr and er won't even make an association with the vaccine. does anyone know what i can do to counter act bowel problems caused by this? he is 5 months old now exclusively breastfed and only pooping aprox once a week still, 2.5 months after the vaccine. We see this a lot after vaccines (even before rotateq came out) Any other changes with him after vaccines? -------------------------------------------------------- Sheri Nakken, former R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK $$ Donations to help in the work - accepted by Paypal account earthmysteriestours@... voicemail US 530-740-0561 (go to http://www.paypal.com) or by mail Vaccines - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm or http://www.wellwithin1.com/vaccine.htm Vaccine Dangers On-Line course - http://www.wellwithin1.com/vaccineclass.htm Reality of the Diseases & Treatment - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccineclass.htm Homeopathy On-Line course - http://www.wellwithin1.com/homeo.htm NEXT CLASSES start by email October 17 & 18 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 24, 2007 Report Share Posted October 24, 2007 besides delayed oop, he seems fine Vaccinations@...: vaccineinfo@...: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 17:38:02 +0100Subject: RE: Introduction the dr and er won't even make an association with the vaccine. does anyoneknow what i can do to counter act bowel problems caused by this? he is 5months old now exclusively breastfed and only pooping aprox once a weekstill, 2.5 months after the vaccine.We see this a lot after vaccines (even before rotateq came out)Any other changes with him after vaccines?--------------------------------------------------------Sheri Nakken, former R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK$$ Donations to help in the work - accepted by Paypal account earthmysteriestours@... voicemail US 530-740-0561(go to http://www.paypal.com) or by mailVaccines - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm orhttp://www.wellwithin1.com/vaccine.htmVaccine Dangers On-Line course - http://www.wellwithin1.com/vaccineclass.htmReality of the Diseases & Treatment -http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccineclass.htmHomeopathy On-Line course - http://www.wellwithin1.com/homeo.htmNEXT CLASSES start by email October 17 & 18 _________________________________________________________________ Climb to the top of the charts! Play Star Shuffle: the word scramble challenge with star power. http://club.live.com/star_shuffle.aspx?icid=starshuffle_wlmailtextlink_oct Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 24, 2007 Report Share Posted October 24, 2007 one site to checkout is http://www.wellwithin1.com Vaccinations@...: colinjennytanner@...: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 21:21:16 -0700Subject: Introduction Hello everyone,I was on a bulletin board on babycenter.ca and someone referred to the group. I am a mother of a boy that will turn 1 in December and expecting baby #2 in February. After seeing the Oprah show on vaccinations, it has really made me realize I need to do more research in order to feel comfortable with a decision to or not to vaccinate. I have currently had my son vaccinated up to this point, however, will be making the future decisions a lot more serious. Thank you for the information provided in this group, I look forward to learning a lot!Be smarter than spam. See how smart SpamGuard is at giving junk email the boot with the All-new at http://mrd.mail./try_beta?.intl=ca[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] _________________________________________________________________ Help yourself to FREE treats served up daily at the Messenger Café. Stop by today. http://www.cafemessenger.com/info/info_sweetstuff2.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_OctWLtagl\ ine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 24, 2007 Report Share Posted October 24, 2007 ok so what do i do, the ped says to start feeding food, i don't think he's ready yet Vaccinations@...: K05CORNE@...: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 13:10:31 -0400Subject: Re: Introduction In a message dated 10/24/2007 12:38:24 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, vaccineinfo@... writes:having a bowel movement only once a week is NOT OK. goes every other say and it has been 2 days she said as long as hes going once a week but that was when he was born and she said their bodies adjusy to eating etc************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 24, 2007 Report Share Posted October 24, 2007 At 01:13 PM 10/24/2007 -0400, you wrote: > >ok so what do i do, the ped says to start feeding food, i don't think he's ready yet Can you see a homeopath? Where do you live? Sheri > -------------------------------------------------------- Sheri Nakken, former R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK $$ Donations to help in the work - accepted by Paypal account earthmysteriestours@... voicemail US 530-740-0561 (go to http://www.paypal.com) or by mail Vaccines - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm or http://www.wellwithin1.com/vaccine.htm Vaccine Dangers On-Line course - http://www.wellwithin1.com/vaccineclass.htm Reality of the Diseases & Treatment - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccineclass.htm Homeopathy On-Line course - http://www.wellwithin1.com/homeo.htm NEXT CLASSES start by email October 17 & 18 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 24, 2007 Report Share Posted October 24, 2007 > > " goes every other day or 2 and hes on bm. Doc said as long as he goes 1 a > week > its ok. " The reason this is not OK is that the toxins from the digested food (breast milk) are sitting in the intestines, and leaching back into the body. * Everyone* should be eliminating at least once a day. Increasing water/fluid levels generally help. Extra fiber (oatmeal, whole grains, nuts, etc.) also helps for toddlers, teens and adults. I've also seen great results when pre and probiotics (good bacteria for the intestines) were taken. Health & blessings, *Is your home GREEN and Gorgeous? *http://www.shaklee.net/EcoClean/getclean/index http://www.shaklee.net/ExcitingHealth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 24, 2007 Report Share Posted October 24, 2007 If you are not breastfeeding, infant bifidum, does whatever rotateq is supposed to do. > > > what kind of lining problems, i have seached every where for info on this and have had no luck. the dr and er won't even make an association with the vaccine. does anyone know what i can do to counter act bowel problems caused by this? he is 5 months old now exclusively breastfed and only pooping aprox once a week still, 2.5 months after the vaccine. > > > Vaccinations@...: K05CORNE@...: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 11:35:57 - 0400Subject: Re: Introduction > > > > > In a message dated 10/24/2007 11:25:33 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, joannalswan@... writes:him roteq an oral vaccine for rotovirus, I believe the oral vaccine is the cause of his even now continuing bowel problemsMy peds office wont give this one.My ped told me this one can cause problems to the lining of stomach she explained it all to me and i said some places still give it she said yes but we dont cause the problem it can cause etc why give it when theres a chance it could do that.************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Help yourself to FREE treats served up daily at the Messenger Café. Stop by today. > http://www.cafemessenger.com/info/info_sweetstuff2.html? ocid=TXT_TAGLM_OctWLtagline > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 24, 2007 Report Share Posted October 24, 2007 Five months is really too early to be introducing solids. Most health professionals will agree that solids should be introduced to complement breastfeeding at around six months. If you have any problems with food allergies in the family, I would certainly be very circumspect about solid introduction. As a rule, babies are probably ready for solids if they are around six months of age; have lost their *tongue-thrust* reflex that causes them to gag on and push out anything solid that is in their mouths; have reasonably good muscle strength and control and can hold their head up easily; and indeed if they show a strong interest in solids, perhaps trying to grab food off your plate at mealtime. Unless all of these criteria are met, I wouldn t be tempted if I were you. No matter what some white-coat says....;o) He's your baby, you are his mum and know him better than anyone else does. I'd say that makes you the best judge and if you don't think he's ready, end of story. Don't be forced into it. At his age, exclusive breastfeeding is still the best form of nutrition, and it will offer the best help against his constipation. Feed, feed, and feed some more!! ) Sue x ok so what do i do, the ped says to start feeding food, i don't think he's ready yet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 2007 Report Share Posted October 25, 2007 memphis, i would consider this, what do they charge, i am not rich Vaccinations From: vaccineinfo@... Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 19:34:15 +0100 Subject: RE: Introduction At 01:13 PM 10/24/2007 -0400, you wrote: > >ok so what do i do, the ped says to start feeding food, i don't think he's ready yet Can you see a homeopath? Where do you live? Sheri > -------------------------------------------------------- Sheri Nakken, former R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK $$ Donations to help in the work - accepted by Paypal account earthmysteriestours@... voicemail US 530-740-0561 (go to http://www.paypal.com) or by mail Vaccines - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm or http://www.wellwithin1.com/vaccine.htm Vaccine Dangers On-Line course - http://www.wellwithin1.com/vaccineclass.htm Reality of the Diseases & Treatment - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccineclass.htm Homeopathy On-Line course - http://www.wellwithin1.com/homeo.htm NEXT CLASSES start by email October 17 & 18 _________________________________________________________________ Peek-a-boo FREE Tricks & Treats for You! http://www.reallivemoms.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM & loc=us Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 2007 Report Share Posted October 25, 2007 At 01:09 PM 10/25/2007 -0400, you wrote: > >memphis, i would consider this, what do they charge, i am not rich Well try what I have suggested first. And also how is your diet/nutrition? Water intake. Sheri -------------------------------------------------------- Sheri Nakken, former R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK $$ Donations to help in the work - accepted by Paypal account earthmysteriestours@... voicemail US 530-740-0561 (go to http://www.paypal.com) or by mail Vaccines - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm or http://www.wellwithin1.com/vaccine.htm Vaccine Dangers On-Line course - http://www.wellwithin1.com/vaccineclass.htm Reality of the Diseases & Treatment - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccineclass.htm Homeopathy On-Line course - http://www.wellwithin1.com/homeo.htm NEXT CLASSES start by email October 17 & 18 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 2007 Report Share Posted October 25, 2007 Hi. My second daughter is unvaxed and is breastfed. She only popped every few days when she was exclusively breastfed and when I started giving her solids, she became more regular. Kim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 26, 2007 Report Share Posted October 26, 2007 In our La Leche group several moms breastfed exclusively until well past their first birthday. This is fine!! You should always go on our own child's cues, if they seem interested in your food and really want it then do it. if not, don't. I tried to give my DD solids at 6 months because my ped was pushing it, but she wasn't interested and didn't become interested until about 10 months, I was worried, but my La Leche leader told me that it was fine and it was! She continued to gain weight and now is a great eater (almost 2 and still BFing) Anyway HTH LInda RE: Introduction Five months is really too early to be introducing solids. Most health professionals will agree that solids should be introduced to complement breastfeeding at around six months. If you have any problems with food allergies in the family, I would certainly be very circumspect about solid introduction. As a rule, babies are probably ready for solids if they are around six months of age; have lost their *tongue-thrust* reflex that causes them to gag on and push out anything solid that is in their mouths; have reasonably good muscle strength and control and can hold their head up easily; and indeed if they show a strong interest in solids, perhaps trying to grab food off your plate at mealtime. Unless all of these criteria are met, I wouldn t be tempted if I were you. No matter what some white-coat says....;o) He's your baby, you are his mum and know him better than anyone else does. I'd say that makes you the best judge and if you don't think he's ready, end of story. Don't be forced into it. At his age, exclusive breastfeeding is still the best form of nutrition, and it will offer the best help against his constipation. Feed, feed, and feed some more!! ) Sue x ok so what do i do, the ped says to start feeding food, i don't think he's ready yet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 26, 2007 Report Share Posted October 26, 2007 My name is Kristi (24), my DH is Mike (23) and we have two children. will be 20 m/o in about a week and out DD is almost 20 weeks in- utero. We live in KY and I really don't like being out in the middle of nowhere - I'm more of a big city girl and I think 45 mins out of a big city is far enough! I stopped vaxing about 6 months ago after further research. I was going to do delayed/slow schedule but after reading more about each " disease " I'd rather just eat and live healthier than subject myself and family to unnecessary pokes. -Kristi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 29, 2007 Report Share Posted October 29, 2007 Hi Jen, glad you joined the group. That is the first step to overcoming your fear. Just keep reading as much information as you can. The knowledge you gain will help with your confusion. Lots of great people here with plenty of reassurance and support to go around. I am sure you will get further replies to some of your specific issues. Try not to stress too much about your husbands friend coming to visit, it is more of a worry in babies than adults and children. Been a bit of discussion on the topic recently, so if you go through the older posts you shouldn't have to go too far back to find info. Do a search on whooping cough and you should find everything relevant. Besides, we are exposed to these things all the time without even knowing, in the general public. There is going to be a segment on our morning show shortly about the germs we can catch from shopping trolleys from the sound of it. As far as exemption goes, then I am sure you will find the advice you need. Most of us here vaccinated before finding out the dangers. Diseases are not to be feared. It is often the human intervention that creates more danger. The moderator of this group, Sheri, holds great online classes for minimal cost, covering everything you need to know. Once you get a bigger understanding of it all, you will probably still be a " crazy person " in many peoples eyes, but not your own. Fieldman Introduction Hi there. I just joined. I'm in a tough spot. This issue fills me with such fear and anxiety I almost didn't join this group because it turns me into a crazy person. The " experts " i.e. the folks with medical training, my doctor, say that the vaccines are needed. The " alternative folks " say that they are dangerous. Naturally I want to do the best for my son. My solution (don't slam me for this, ok?) was to walk the middle line...we refused the Hep B vaccine that they give at birth, and for all the others we not only started them late, but we have given them one at a time. (except for those that are combined into one shot, like DTaP). As a result, our son is, by all standards " way behind " on his vaccines. I am on a very painful fence. Protect my child? Hurt my child? Which do I do? Clearly, I NEVER want to hurt him. How can a parent ever choose, when helping him can equal hurting him? My issues surround MMR. For some reason I am most scared of that one; based on what I've read, no doubt. Yet here we are at Age 4.5.....my " only child " who is about to be homeschooled, may want to take classes at the local school. You know, so he won't turn out into the lonely, antisocial freak of nature that people seem to think he will become if I homeschool him. (Sorry, a little sarcasm there. He is a lovely, very social child already, but he only likes older kids and adults.) In any case, it seemed pretty wonderful that a person could homeschool, yet selectively take part in what the public school offers, like sports teams or science class. But you know the schools...they're all about vaccinations! And since I have selectively vaccinated, I cannot (can I?) claim some kind of religious opposition to them. I feel I've blown my chances of that. Not only that, next weekend my husband's friend Mark is coming over to visit. Mark's wife has Whooping Cough. Mark says he has bronchitis. Bronchitis is a bad enough thing to bring into the house, but even so...he's coming from a house where someone has whooping cough and my son has only had 4 out of 5 of his DTaP shots. I don't know if Mark can be a carrier without having it himself. It's tough making decisions without knowing HIS full medical situation. But I want to protect my son. Help!? Can you see my confusion? Thanks for listening. -Jen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 29, 2007 Report Share Posted October 29, 2007 hi Jen - i know the anxiety that comes along with making a decision that isn't the main stream choice. first, i want to congratulate you for being proactive and learning about the diseases that are being vaccinated against. i have chosen not to vaccinate my child. but before my ultimate decision, i was on the fence and felt the fear that you are feeling. once my husband and i finally made the choice, a great peace came over us. and i haven't stopped feeling it yet. Secondly, i would try to get this mark fellow to not come to your house. no one wants to be exposed to whooping cough. of all the diseases i think that one seems to be the hardest to get rid of. thirdly, not sure what state you live in but usually there is some sort of exemption you can get for your choice to not vaccinate or to vaccinate on your own schedule. there are alot of smart people in this group who can help you with that part. ultimately, you are being proactive and i think that is one of the most important traits a parent can be. good luck! Lee > > Hi there. I just joined. I'm in a tough spot. This issue fills me with > such fear and anxiety I almost didn't join this group because it turns > me into a crazy person. The " experts " i.e. the folks with medical > training, my doctor, say that the vaccines are needed. The > " alternative folks " say that they are dangerous. Naturally I want to > do the best for my son. My solution (don't slam me for this, ok?) was > to walk the middle line...we refused the Hep B vaccine that they give > at birth, and for all the others we not only started them late, but we > have given them one at a time. (except for those that are combined > into one shot, like DTaP). As a result, our son is, by all standards > " way behind " on his vaccines. > > I am on a very painful fence. Protect my child? Hurt my child? Which > do I do? Clearly, I NEVER want to hurt him. How can a parent ever > choose, when helping him can equal hurting him? > > My issues surround MMR. For some reason I am most scared of that one; > based on what I've read, no doubt. Yet here we are at Age 4.5.....my > " only child " who is about to be homeschooled, may want to take classes > at the local school. You know, so he won't turn out into the lonely, > antisocial freak of nature that people seem to think he will become if > I homeschool him. (Sorry, a little sarcasm there. He is a lovely, very > social child already, but he only likes older kids and adults.) In any > case, it seemed pretty wonderful that a person could homeschool, yet > selectively take part in what the public school offers, like sports > teams or science class. But you know the schools...they're all about > vaccinations! And since I have selectively vaccinated, I cannot (can > I?) claim some kind of religious opposition to them. I feel I've blown > my chances of that. > > Not only that, next weekend my husband's friend Mark is coming over to > visit. Mark's wife has Whooping Cough. Mark says he has bronchitis. > Bronchitis is a bad enough thing to bring into the house, but even > so...he's coming from a house where someone has whooping cough and my > son has only had 4 out of 5 of his DTaP shots. I don't know if Mark > can be a carrier without having it himself. It's tough making > decisions without knowing HIS full medical situation. But I want to > protect my son. > > Help!? Can you see my confusion? > > Thanks for listening. > > -Jen > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 29, 2007 Report Share Posted October 29, 2007 Welcome! I know some people who just claim an exemption to all the vaccines and do not disclose which, if any, vaccines their children have had. I'm not sure that it matters after you claim the exemption. Like someone else said, I believe the whooping cough is worse in little babies who have a hard time coughing up the mucus. I still wouldn't want it anymore than I would want a cold so I would be tempted to ask the friend not to come over, if that is an option. One thing I have read about the vaccines though, is that the first dose of the vaccine gives a high enough antibody response in somthing like 80% of people to be considered effective (by their meaning of the word effective), so that no more doses are even needed. The second dose bumps up the number of people and so on. So the majority of people have the antibody response on the first shot. Of course, antibodies do not mean immunity, so regardless of whether you have one shot or the whole series, you could still be susceptable, so you wouldn't want to purposely expose your child. Tara Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2007 Report Share Posted October 30, 2007 Hi! I'm Robyn, and I totally understand what you're going through. You can claim an exemption. You don't say what state you're in, but many have a philosophical exemption, as well as a religious exemption. There are others here who have partially vaxed and then stopped, so they should have some advice for you. Here's the thing about MMR - neither measles, nor mumps, nor rubella are generally fatal. The stuff in the vaccine, IMO, is far worse than the actual diseases. *AND* most doctors insist on doing the whole thing - MMR - although the shots can be split into their component parts (unlike DTaP). My son was exposed to whooping cough twice. First, he was 7 months old. We were visiting my in-laws, who had a party to celebrate Jack's existence, and a friend of mine from college showed up. She said that she was getting over whooping cough, and wasn't sure if she could come, then she thought, Oh, he's probably vaccinated. Well, I told her he wasn't, but I didn't mind, just please don't cough on him. This past June, when he was 17 months, a good friend came from NY to visit. She too was getting over whooping cough. She had basically stopped coughing. I called Jack's ped, just to give him the head's up that Jack might be exposed and what I could do to minimize his chances of getting it. He said, if she's still coughing, don't let her come. The contagion comes from the cough - that's how it's spread. So, if Mark doesn't have whooping cough, it's highly unlikely that your child will get it. You have to be coughed on. If you're really worried, take your son out, or ask Mark not to come. In any case, insist that hands are washed. I hope this helps! ~Robyn jennilesart wrote: > Hi there. I just joined. I'm in a tough spot. This issue fills me with > such fear and anxiety I almost didn't join this group because it turns > me into a crazy person. The " experts " i.e. the folks with medical > training, my doctor, say that the vaccines are needed. The > " alternative folks " say that they are dangerous. Naturally I want to > do the best for my son. My solution (don't slam me for this, ok?) was > to walk the middle line...we refused the Hep B vaccine that they give > at birth, and for all the others we not only started them late, but we > have given them one at a time. (except for those that are combined > into one shot, like DTaP). As a result, our son is, by all standards > " way behind " on his vaccines. > > I am on a very painful fence. Protect my child? Hurt my child? Which > do I do? Clearly, I NEVER want to hurt him. How can a parent ever > choose, when helping him can equal hurting him? > > My issues surround MMR. For some reason I am most scared of that one; > based on what I've read, no doubt. Yet here we are at Age 4.5.....my > " only child " who is about to be homeschooled, may want to take classes > at the local school. You know, so he won't turn out into the lonely, > antisocial freak of nature that people seem to think he will become if > I homeschool him. (Sorry, a little sarcasm there. He is a lovely, very > social child already, but he only likes older kids and adults.) In any > case, it seemed pretty wonderful that a person could homeschool, yet > selectively take part in what the public school offers, like sports > teams or science class. But you know the schools...they're all about > vaccinations! And since I have selectively vaccinated, I cannot (can > I?) claim some kind of religious opposition to them. I feel I've blown > my chances of that. > > Not only that, next weekend my husband's friend Mark is coming over to > visit. Mark's wife has Whooping Cough. Mark says he has bronchitis. > Bronchitis is a bad enough thing to bring into the house, but even > so...he's coming from a house where someone has whooping cough and my > son has only had 4 out of 5 of his DTaP shots. I don't know if Mark > can be a carrier without having it himself. It's tough making > decisions without knowing HIS full medical situation. But I want to > protect my son. > > Help!? Can you see my confusion? > > Thanks for listening. > > -Jen > > > -- Robyn Image: Robyn and Jack robyn@... <mailto:%20robyn@...> http://www.rmcsquared.net/ <http://www.idealbite.com/dailytip/link.php?URL=aHR0cDovL3d3dy5pZGVhbGJpdGUuY29t\ YWRtaW4vY29udGVudC9Mb2NhbCBTZXR0aW5ncy9UZW1wb3JhcnkgSW50ZXJuZXQgRmlsZXMvT0xLREMv\ d3d3LmlkZWFsYml0ZS5jb20%3D & Name= & EncryptedMemberID=OTI1MzA%3D & CampaignID=1 & Campa\ ignStatisticsID=178 & Demo=0 & Email=robynalumni (DOT) cmu.edu> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2007 Report Share Posted October 30, 2007 I too am considering stopping vaccinating or at least limiting the number I do. However my youngest is 11 mos old and has been completely vaccinated up until this point. My oldest two were completely vaccinated as well. That was before I knew anything about vaccinations. The last set of vaccinations my youngest had really made him " zombie like " . I would put him to bed every night for two weeks thinking he would not be alive in the morning. It was such a relief when he woke up crying for his 5 am feeding every morning! Recently my mom, who is helping me research vaccine info, told me that she had Measles and Mumps when she was little. And I never knew that! So I do believe we'll be skipping the MMR if nothing else at his 1 yr old checkup. Hayley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2007 Report Share Posted October 30, 2007 Hello Hayley, I am 43, and have had Measles, mumps and chicken pox. Not real sure which vaccines I had as a child, but the only one I can remember is the Smallpox one. Back then the schedule wasn't like it was now. I think I only had half a dozen at the most. My first child was vaccinated to schedule until 2 years. When I started to research vaccines, I chose to stop. I first considered selective vaccination, but it was only a matter of time before I made the choice to say no to all. I have concerns about her now. She has a lot of trouble processing information. It is becoming a huge problem. Her behaviour changes dramatically when eating certain foods. If she has lots of soft drink for instance, it is almost like she is drunk. She doesn't have anything like that very often, but I know immediately if she has. I can't help wondering if she has been damaged. I don't blame myself. But it makes it hard when I need to punish her. Sometimes I think the things she does are out of her control. It is good that your mum is helping you research. At least you know that she will be supportive of your choices. Fieldman Re: Introduction I too am considering stopping vaccinating or at least limiting the number I do. However my youngest is 11 mos old and has been completely vaccinated up until this point. My oldest two were completely vaccinated as well. That was before I knew anything about vaccinations. The last set of vaccinations my youngest had really made him " zombie like " . I would put him to bed every night for two weeks thinking he would not be alive in the morning. It was such a relief when he woke up crying for his 5 am feeding every morning! Recently my mom, who is helping me research vaccine info, told me that she had Measles and Mumps when she was little. And I never knew that! So I do believe we'll be skipping the MMR if nothing else at his 1 yr old checkup. Hayley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 31, 2007 Report Share Posted October 31, 2007 Hi Connie, I'm Debby from upstate NY. I usally weigh-in on tuesday nights at my TOPS meeting. I joined TOPS in late Aug. I drink plenty of water the colder the better. I try to walk at least 30 minutes a day but dont always get it in. I go day by day some weeks are good some not as good but I keep saying to myself that next week will be better. Dont give up. You can do it!! Have a great day !!! Debby > > Hi all, just wanted to introduce myself. My name is Connie. I > accidently found this group while doing a random search. This seems > exactly what I need!!! I started dieting and some exercises the first > of the year, my new years resolution. I started with a weight of 255 > pounds. I got down to 233 pounds, but it seems that I have started to > gain again. I am not sure why, I haven't changed my eating habits. I > do the exercises the doctor says I can...so, I don't really know what > is happening. At any rate, I am 5' 7 " . My ultimate goal weight is 150 > pounds. I have set mini goals every 10 pounds until I reach my goal. > > What day does everyone do weigh-in, or does it matter? What all does > everyone do, just weight or does measurements too? If measurements, > what all does everyone measure? I really need some guidance and a > whole LOT of understanding, patience, and motivation! > > Thank you for reading my post. Have a GREAT day all!! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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