Introduction

February 27, 2003

Welcome to the list! I'm also from Wisconsin and could suggest a few good

health providers and homeopaths to you. I'll write you off list

L.

Proud mom to Autumn 1-13-97 & Zoe 8-8-00

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Re: Introduction

Your story is so tragic.and one I hear more and more!

You have SOME GREAT homeopaths in Wisconsin. Why don't you try that first.

That is certainly what I would do.

http://www.homeopathy-cures.com

click on find a homeopath

and tell me who is near you!

I don't blame you for feeling betrayed................I don't know what I'd

do if were you........it all just makes me sick and I would like to see all

the doctors and people in jail, prsonally!

Sheri

At 01:25 PM 02/27/2003 EST, you wrote:

>Hello!

>

>My name is and I live in Wisconsin. We have three beautiful boys,

ages

>1, 2, and 13. I dove into this issue last August when a friend of mine told

>me about the three exemptions available in our state. I was stunned, as a

>year before I had tried to turn down the chx pox vaccine for our middle son,

>and was told that they had just mandated it for school admission. I

>verbalized to my doctor how uncomfortable I was with that and how I did not

>feel it was necessary. I then stated that I felt I had no choice if I

wanted

>my son to go to school. She just sat there and gave me a blank look, then

>asked me if I wanted all the vaccines.

>

>Well, 4 weeks later my son had a very high fever and a rash. A week after

>that he had the sudden onset of bowel problems, which have persisted now for

>1-1/2 years. My baby was due for his 12 month vaxes the day after my friend

>informed me of the exemptions. I felt so betrayed by my doctor that I

>canceled the appointment and decided that I was going to start digging. And

>dig I did. I stayed up very late for 4 months reading and learning all I

>could. I was shocked at what I found, and cried that I had let them do this

>to my children. My instinct had told me to check into all of these vaccines

>since they had mandated so many more between the birth of my first son, and

>10 years later my second son. Then the chx pox vaccine mandated? It just

>sounded fishy. I felt so guilty that I did not take the time to do this.

>

>My youngest son also has had bowel problems. Our middle son had a remission

>from his bowel problems for two months last summer, but then it came back,

>and our youngest started with the same thing. I am thinking of taking all 3

>boys to Dr. Tenpenny's Clinic in Ohio. It will be a stretch for us

>financially, but I feel that we need to undue some damage.

>

>I now volunteer for the NVIC and am helping to organize a state group here

in

>Wisconsin. I am looking forward to conversing with all of you!

>

>, Wisconsin

>

February 27, 2003

,

You have heard of babies getting the Hep. B w/o parental consent? How could

anyone prove it. Like my situation, I can not prove that my son didn't Hep B or

that he did?

Lynda

Re: Re: Introduction

Also, make sure you have someone designated to be with the baby at all times.

If for some reason they take the baby for a test, bath, whatever...that's often

when I've heard of shots being given without permission.

L.

Proud mom to Autumn 1-13-97 & Zoe 8-8-00

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March 1, 2003

She was born Feb 9th a few weeks ago.

Barbara

Re: Re: Introduction

when was your dd born?

~~ Jacqui - trying to figure out if they did the same to my youngest who I

honestly believe is not vaxed....

March 1, 2003

I strongly recommend that you look into the gluten and casein free

diet. www.gfcfdiet.com Also, you can get testing done at some labs

like Smoky and Great Plains Laboratory that will help direct you on

some treatments for intestinal problems.

> Well, 4 weeks later my son had a very high fever and a rash. A

week after

> that he had the sudden onset of bowel problems, which have

persisted now for

> 1-1/2 years.

>

> My youngest son also has had bowel problems. Our middle son had a

remission

> from his bowel problems for two months last summer, but then it

came back,

> and our youngest started with the same thing. >

>

March 4, 2003

Joann,

We have the patients sign a contract before surgery stating that they will return at 1 week, 3 month, 6 month and then yearly. These visits include nutritional evaluations. They must bring their intake records with them. They also must attend at least 2 support groups before surgery and once a month after surgery.

The pre-gastric visits include:

1. The first group meeting where the entire diet is explained to them. This OFTEN weeds out people who know they could never do what is expected of them. At this meeting I do about a 1+ hour talk with visuals of items they can and can't have, along with some of the protein supplements they can use. ( we don't do sampling at this meeting, but present that at support groups from time to time)

2. That day, I set up an individual appt. with them to meet for about 1+ hours with me and review what their eating behaviors are and what goals to set to work on before surgery. I make a follow up appt with them and usually end up seeing them about 3 times before surgery. If patients have a very high BMI, then we encourage weight loss and I would work with them on that.

Hope this helps.

Joan Hultgren

April 17, 2003

> Hi,

>

> I've been a member of this club for a very, very long time. Since

> summer of 2000, I sort of fell out of BFL lifestyle. I've been in

> tons & tons of challenges but I always pulled out because of a lot

> of obstacles in life. So I decided to renew myself and came back

> here! I originally lost 15 fat of lbs, but I regained it all back.

> *sigh*

>

> But this time, I AM STAYING IN. No more procrastinating. No more

> excuses. No more overdosing on sweet & carbs. (Well, expect on free

> days, haha) Now that I'm in second week of BFL, and I'm happy to

> report that I lost 3 lbs overall. Yay!

>

> I'm very excitied to go through this journey with you all!

>

> Regards,

> Alethea

Alethea,

First I want to say...Glad you're back! Second, I am curious where

you are from....the reason being is I don't know of very many people

with Alethea as a name (although it is beautiful). And I just met a

woman around here, a few months ago for the first time, with that

very name! Could it be you????ha ha.

Pat (who lives in S Calif.)

April 17, 2003

Congratulations Aletha on making the decision. That's half the battle!

Robin

In a message dated 4/16/03 7:24:23 PM Central Daylight Time,

no_reply writes:

> Hi,

>

> I've been a member of this club for a very, very long time. Since

> summer of 2000, I sort of fell out of BFL lifestyle. I've been in

> tons & tons of challenges but I always pulled out because of a lot

> of obstacles in life. So I decided to renew myself and came back

> here! I originally lost 15 fat of lbs, but I regained it all back.

> *sigh*

>

> But this time, I AM STAYING IN. No more procrastinating. No more

> excuses. No more overdosing on sweet & carbs. (Well, expect on free

> days, haha) Now that I'm in second week of BFL, and I'm happy to

> report that I lost 3 lbs overall. Yay!

>

> I'm very excitied to go through this journey with you all!

>

> Regards,

> Alethea

>

April 17, 2003

Oh, thanks for a sudden reply. Hmm, I'm not sure if it was me

because I haven't posted on here, probably more than two years or

so.... and unbeliveable that I'm still a member of this club which I

am so glad to be part of!

I'm originally from California, I live in NY right now, though.

> Alethea,

> First I want to say...Glad you're back! Second, I am curious where

> you are from....the reason being is I don't know of very many

people

> with Alethea as a name (although it is beautiful). And I just met

a

> woman around here, a few months ago for the first time, with that

> very name! Could it be you????ha ha.

> Pat (who lives in S Calif.)

April 17, 2003

Thank you for encouragement. I truly need it.

> Congratulations Aletha on making the decision. That's half the

battle!

>

> Robin

>

> In a message dated 4/16/03 7:24:23 PM Central Daylight Time,

> no_reply writes:

>

> > Hi,

> >

> > I've been a member of this club for a very, very long time.

Since

> > summer of 2000, I sort of fell out of BFL lifestyle. I've been

in

> > tons & tons of challenges but I always pulled out because of a

lot

> > of obstacles in life. So I decided to renew myself and came back

> > here! I originally lost 15 fat of lbs, but I regained it all

back.

> > *sigh*

> >

> > But this time, I AM STAYING IN. No more procrastinating. No more

> > excuses. No more overdosing on sweet & carbs. (Well, expect on

free

> > days, haha) Now that I'm in second week of BFL, and I'm happy to

> > report that I lost 3 lbs overall. Yay!

> >

> > I'm very excitied to go through this journey with you all!

> >

> > Regards,

> > Alethea

> >

>

April 28, 2003

> My husband recently worked with a

> group to reinstate the religious

> exemption law in Arkansas (it was

> declared unconstitutional) & although

> the legislation passed wasn't perfect

> & there are some things we weren't

> thrilled with it does have language

> in it allowing philosophical exemptions

> which is great!

MICHELLE:

If you could get it without too much

trouble, I would be interested in

a source, i.e..., Bill #, for this

legislation. I have gone to the Arkansas

Legislature's website but have been unable

to locate the bill.

Thanks,

Tim

I should

> add that my time online is sporadic. Sometimes I can check e-mail,

> etc. for days in a row, and sometimes I may go more than a week

> without finding the time to sign on. It all depends on what the

> girls needs are at any given moment - they come first. But I have

> recently added a cable modem & a connection in the kitchen/playroom

> so I'm hoping I can stay up to speed. I look forward to getting to

> know people & having the support of others who are concerned about

> vaccines & the dangers that they pose. Sometimes it feels like a

> lonely journey that our family is on when so many people are

willing

> to blindly follow the crowd, but I know that we are doing what is

> right for our children. :-)

>

> SAHM to Lucy (5.99)

> and (2.02)

> in NW Arkansas

May 25, 2003

Welcome, glad you're here and that you came out of lurkdom. There is

lots of inspiration here and the people are so supportive. Stick to

this program and you will see the results you are looking for. I'm

also glad to hear that a prof. trainer recommended BFL.

Stasia

May 30, 2003

Kathy welcome. I am at 236. Race you to 199. I bet 199 would feel fabu.

NH

Mommy to Abby Liz 10-25-94

Mommy to Anne 7-1-99

May 30, 2003

In a message dated 5/30/03 9:17:36 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Jase4567@... writes:

Kathy welcome. I am at 236. Race you to 199. I bet 199 would feel fabu.

Thanks for the warm welcome. But, the only race I'm doing

is the one towards 26.2.....miles.:-) Yep, it's gonna feel

great!!!

Kathy Povey

Galway, NY

http://hometown.aol.com/heelhusky/index.html

June 3, 2003

Howzit Andy,

Who are you working for? where did you qualify? I am also a SA paramedic

working contract. Nice to see you aboard the group and adding to the growing

number of SA paras

cheers

Ben

Introduction

Hi there all,

My name is Andy Gill, I am a South African qualified Paramedic currently on

contract in The Sudan, hope to hear from you all soon.

Regards

Andy Gill

June 3, 2003

Hi there Ben,

I am working for a company by the name of Med Support Solutions, I qualified

at the old Traansvaal Ambulance Training College, how about you.

I am glad to be aboard this ship, it seems there are some interesting topics

popping up.

Hope to hear from you soon.

Andy Gill

June 3, 2003

Morning Andy,

Well I am working for International SOS on 2 Aluminium Smelters here in good

old s Bay, South Africa. As far as qualifications go, I finished my

NDIP at Natal Technikon in 96.

Is Med Support Solutions a SA company? First time I am hearing of them.

Trust you are enjoying life in Sudan. What project is it?

Cheers

Ben

RE: Introduction

Hi there Ben,

I am working for a company by the name of Med Support Solutions, I qualified

at the old Traansvaal Ambulance Training College, how about you.

I am glad to be aboard this ship, it seems there are some interesting topics

popping up.

Hope to hear from you soon.

Andy Gill

June 4, 2003

Hi Andy

How are you keeping?

How long have you been in Sudan?

Desmond Hartley

Introduction

Hi there all,

My name is Andy Gill, I am a South African qualified Paramedic currently on

contract in The Sudan, hope to hear from you all soon.

Regards

Andy Gill

June 4, 2003

Hi there Desmond,

I have been here a year in July, long time no hear, how is life treating

you?

Cheers

Andy

June 4, 2003

Hi Andy

I' ve been in Tanzania for the past ten months.

So whats news?

Desmond

0 Re: Introduction

Hi there Desmond,

I have been here a year in July, long time no hear, how is life treating

you?

Cheers

Andy

June 4, 2003

Hi

Be prepared to have them try and convince you otherwise. The statements they

used on me was " well you don't want you child to die of any diseases " . Good

luck. Depending on which state you are in you can have personal or religious

exemptions. It's best to get a form stating this and placing it on record so you

won't get hassled. No there is no danger in not administering the second dose.

Good luck

Elena

Introduction

Hello,

My name is Racheal, and I am mother to 10 week old (today!) daughter.

I did not do any research on vaccines until recently, and am very upset at

myself for not paying attention sooner. I allowed the first dose of the Hep B

vaccine to be administered to dd at 2 weeks. In retrospect, that was absurd.

There is absolutely no risk to my daughter of Hep B. It is very frustrating.

Tomorrow I have the 2 mos well baby exam, and I am not going to vaccinate.

Is there a danger to not administering the 2nd dose of Hep B?

I am happy that I found this list, and am looking forward to learning a lot

about vaccines so that I can make an informed decision.

warmly,

Racheal

June 4, 2003

There is no danger in stopping any series of vaccines. The worst that can

happen is an inadequate antibody response so that antibodies do not persist.

Of course, there are many dangers involved in continuing the vaccines.

Randall Neustaedter OMD, LAc

Classical Medicine Center

1779 Woodside Rd #201C

Redwood City, CA 94061

650 299-9170

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Introduction

> Hello,

>

> My name is Racheal, and I am mother to 10 week old (today!) daughter.

>

> I did not do any research on vaccines until recently, and am very upset at

myself for not paying attention sooner. I allowed the first dose of the

Hep B vaccine to be administered to dd at 2 weeks. In retrospect, that was

absurd. There is absolutely no risk to my daughter of Hep B. It is very

frustrating.

>

> Tomorrow I have the 2 mos well baby exam, and I am not going to vaccinate.

>

> Is there a danger to not administering the 2nd dose of Hep B?

>

> I am happy that I found this list, and am looking forward to learning a

lot about vaccines so that I can make an informed decision.

>

> warmly,

>

> Racheal

>

June 4, 2003

hi jen...

i have a beautiful 14mo non-vaxed son nursing on my lap as i type :-)

this is a pretty darned interesting group.

ninette

ds tristan luca 14m

ds kevin alexandre 4yo

montreal quebec

At 06:21 PM 04/06/2003 -0400, you wrote:

>Hello all,

>

>Just wanted to introduce myself. I am mom to a beautiful non vaxed 13 month

>old. I am very interested in this topic as I have worked as a Social Worker

>with Autistic and developmentally delayed children. I do believe there is a

>link between vaccinations and dev. delayed problems and autism. I'd write

>more...but a 13 month old is tugging at my leg

>

>Jen

>

>Proud mama to Tess

June 4, 2003

Welcome Elena! you sure found out fast about doctors lying! Took me much

longer!

All the best,

" Parents should decide through informed choice, which vaccines if any should

be

given to their children "

<A HREF= " http://www.vaccinetruth.org/ " > Vaccine Information</A>

June 4, 2003

Hi Jen,

welcome to the group! I'm Debbie mom to 2 sets of identical twins. They are 3

1/2 years and 18 months none of them have been vaxed.

Debbie from IL

jen and ken ruddy <realityridge@...> wrote:

Hello all,

Just wanted to introduce myself. I am mom to a beautiful non vaxed 13 month

old. I am very interested in this topic as I have worked as a Social Worker

with Autistic and developmentally delayed children. I do believe there is a

link between vaccinations and dev. delayed problems and autism. I'd write

more...but a 13 month old is tugging at my leg

Jen

Proud mama to Tess

June 4, 2003

Hi Racheal,

Welcome to the group! Congrats to you also on the birth of your daughter.

I'm Debbie mom to 2 sets of identical twins. They are 3 1/2 years and 18 months.

All are not vaxed.

Debbie from IL

Racheal <rachealwright2@...> wrote: