Introduction

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 11/6/01 3:25:03 PM Pacific Standard Time,

Tubafour@... writes:

> Our

> reasoning was that had developmental delays. He was not at the

> maturity level of a typical 7 year old and teachers should not expect him

> to

> be. Sometimes professionals tend to forget that.

Elaine, I totally agree with you! 's teacher keeps reminding me not to

let bring " inappropriate " toys/objects to school as " normal " second

graders would not do that. 's on about a 2-3 yrs. old level, do they

really expect him to leave his favorite pillow or stimming brushes at home???

LOL<

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 11/6/01 3:25:03 PM Pacific Standard Time,

Tubafour@... writes:

> Our

> reasoning was that had developmental delays. He was not at the

> maturity level of a typical 7 year old and teachers should not expect him

> to

> be. Sometimes professionals tend to forget that.

Elaine, I totally agree with you! 's teacher keeps reminding me not to

let bring " inappropriate " toys/objects to school as " normal " second

graders would not do that. 's on about a 2-3 yrs. old level, do they

really expect him to leave his favorite pillow or stimming brushes at home???

LOL<

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 11/6/2001 5:24:57 PM Central Standard Time,

Tubafour@... writes:

<< Our

reasoning was that had developmental delays. He was not at the

maturity level of a typical 7 year old and teachers should not expect him to

be. Sometimes professionals tend to forget that. >>

Actually this was also the reasoning that we got when we had tested.

The dr. (phycologist?) who did the testing said that her bahaviors and

attention span were quite appropriate for her mental age. :-) After further

looking into the drugs used for ADD/ADHD I deicided that I was glad we had

drs. who took that into concideration.

:-)

You are right tho the decision to use drug intervention is a personal one.

If a person is comforable using it then great!!

Now my biggest peeve is people who talk their drs into perscribing for

add/adhd and the dr never really tests the child, and in one case I know of

the Mom just called the family physician (after about 4 yrs of teachers

saying that he would benefit from ritalin/adderal) and asked for it and he

perscribed without making her come in with the kid. at least that's the way

I understood it....then the teacher who pushed for him to be put on something

decided a few weeks later that well maybe he didn't have adhd....he now

seemed depressed to her. ugh. (yes this stuff does go on and gee the

teacher saying that would have caused big red flags to go up for me because

of the research that I did on the stuff, but the mom believes he is adhd and

is benefiting from the adderal he takes once a day)

Joy

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 11/6/2001 5:24:57 PM Central Standard Time,

Tubafour@... writes:

<< Our

reasoning was that had developmental delays. He was not at the

maturity level of a typical 7 year old and teachers should not expect him to

be. Sometimes professionals tend to forget that. >>

Actually this was also the reasoning that we got when we had tested.

The dr. (phycologist?) who did the testing said that her bahaviors and

attention span were quite appropriate for her mental age. :-) After further

looking into the drugs used for ADD/ADHD I deicided that I was glad we had

drs. who took that into concideration.

:-)

You are right tho the decision to use drug intervention is a personal one.

If a person is comforable using it then great!!

Now my biggest peeve is people who talk their drs into perscribing for

add/adhd and the dr never really tests the child, and in one case I know of

the Mom just called the family physician (after about 4 yrs of teachers

saying that he would benefit from ritalin/adderal) and asked for it and he

perscribed without making her come in with the kid. at least that's the way

I understood it....then the teacher who pushed for him to be put on something

decided a few weeks later that well maybe he didn't have adhd....he now

seemed depressed to her. ugh. (yes this stuff does go on and gee the

teacher saying that would have caused big red flags to go up for me because

of the research that I did on the stuff, but the mom believes he is adhd and

is benefiting from the adderal he takes once a day)

Joy

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 11/6/2001 6:15:50 PM Central Standard Time,

Ltb3105@... writes:

<< do they

really expect him to leave his favorite pillow or stimming brushes at home???

LOL<

>>

Hi ,

to has her brushes that she likes to stim with (better then the big

sharp knives, hehe) but at that age I would not let her take them to school.

Now a pillow, well that's different, but brushes (or whatever she decides to

use at the time) no. One of the big reasons is once she gets to do it it

seems like it becomes a habit right away and she always thinks she should get

to do it, some things are easier to stop if you never really let them begin.

(at least in our case, hehe) :-)

Joy

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 11/6/2001 6:15:50 PM Central Standard Time,

Ltb3105@... writes:

<< do they

really expect him to leave his favorite pillow or stimming brushes at home???

LOL<

>>

Hi ,

to has her brushes that she likes to stim with (better then the big

sharp knives, hehe) but at that age I would not let her take them to school.

Now a pillow, well that's different, but brushes (or whatever she decides to

use at the time) no. One of the big reasons is once she gets to do it it

seems like it becomes a habit right away and she always thinks she should get

to do it, some things are easier to stop if you never really let them begin.

(at least in our case, hehe) :-)

Joy

[Guest guest]

Every parent knows his/her child better than anyone and not to knock

anyone's use of Ritalin, but we refused to do this with . Our

reasoning was that had developmental delays. He was not at the

maturity level of a typical 7 year old and teachers should not expect him to

be. Sometimes professionals tend to forget that. is 15 now and

fairly mature and his behavior has matured along with his body. He can sit

for much longer periods and concentrate on his schoolwork. He has stopped

much of the impulsivity. Just MHO.

Elaine

Re:introduction

> It is I guess reassuring that I am not the only one with a 7 yr old son w/

DS

> who has behavioral problems. Adam has been taking Ritalin 5mgs 2x daily

for

> almost 2 years. He has not been officially diagnosed with ADHD but his

main

> issues are his attention and inpulsivity. I would love to see any

behavioral

> plans that anyone. Also any ideas to control his giant stubborn streak.

He

> has brothers close to is age, older and younger, so it is wild around here

> anyway. Look forward to any info. Thanks

>

> Debra

> Mom to 9, Adam(DS) 7, and 4

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Every parent knows his/her child better than anyone and not to knock

anyone's use of Ritalin, but we refused to do this with . Our

reasoning was that had developmental delays. He was not at the

maturity level of a typical 7 year old and teachers should not expect him to

be. Sometimes professionals tend to forget that. is 15 now and

fairly mature and his behavior has matured along with his body. He can sit

for much longer periods and concentrate on his schoolwork. He has stopped

much of the impulsivity. Just MHO.

Elaine

Re:introduction

> It is I guess reassuring that I am not the only one with a 7 yr old son w/

DS

> who has behavioral problems. Adam has been taking Ritalin 5mgs 2x daily

for

> almost 2 years. He has not been officially diagnosed with ADHD but his

main

> issues are his attention and inpulsivity. I would love to see any

behavioral

> plans that anyone. Also any ideas to control his giant stubborn streak.

He

> has brothers close to is age, older and younger, so it is wild around here

> anyway. Look forward to any info. Thanks

>

> Debra

> Mom to 9, Adam(DS) 7, and 4

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

> >

>

> , are you talking about " THE " Dr. Capone from Kennedy Krieger

Institute

> in land?? I am thinking of taking there, as we are exhausting

> possibilities of any new med's.....we've tried them all!

>

> Let me know when your appt. is and how it goes.

>

Yes, , is one of his oldest patients...been seeing him for 8

years now (before he became so well known). We just went in for the

yearly physical, but is doing very well IMHO. As soon as I walked

in today, some mom asked if I was Casten...lol! She is from the PODS

list.

If you can get to Baltimore, then by all means go! Many parents whose

children have behavioral problems and or PDD/ASD or autism go there. He's

doing a study on autism and DS. We are in his cardiology and DS study and

have been in a few others.

[Guest guest]

> >

>

> , are you talking about " THE " Dr. Capone from Kennedy Krieger

Institute

> in land?? I am thinking of taking there, as we are exhausting

> possibilities of any new med's.....we've tried them all!

>

> Let me know when your appt. is and how it goes.

>

Yes, , is one of his oldest patients...been seeing him for 8

years now (before he became so well known). We just went in for the

yearly physical, but is doing very well IMHO. As soon as I walked

in today, some mom asked if I was Casten...lol! She is from the PODS

list.

If you can get to Baltimore, then by all means go! Many parents whose

children have behavioral problems and or PDD/ASD or autism go there. He's

doing a study on autism and DS. We are in his cardiology and DS study and

have been in a few others.

[Guest guest]

Hi,

I am fairly new to this group but I love all the vacc info. My granddaughter

age 3, who until today has never received a vaccine of any kind was bitten by

a dog and got 13 stitches was given a tetanus shot, a DT. Does anyone know

what we should expect are there any terrible side effects? What can overcome

them?

We were too frightened not to give the shot. Dogs are so nasty. If I had had

time I would have gotten on line to ask before hand but I did't get to do

that.

Thanks for any help and info.

Dottie

[Guest guest]

Dogs have cleaner mouths than humans.

Kathleen

In a message dated 11/19/2001 6:40:49 PM Central Standard Time,

BGREEN2286@... writes:

> Hi,

> I am fairly new to this group but I love all the vacc info. My

> granddaughter

> age 3, who until today has never received a vaccine of any kind was bitten

> by

> a dog and got 13 stitches was given a tetanus shot, a DT. Does anyone know

> what we should expect are there any terrible side effects? What can

> overcome

> them?

> We were too frightened not to give the shot. Dogs are so nasty. If I had

> had

> time I would have gotten on line to ask before hand but I did't get to do

> that.

> Thanks for any help and info.

> Dottie

>

" The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed - and

hence clamorous to be led to safety - by menacing it with an endless series

of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary. "

- H.L. Mencken

[Guest guest]

Why would you think that ?

Re: Introduction

> Dogs have cleaner mouths than humans.

>

> Kathleen

>

[Guest guest]

It is simply something I have read several times over the years. Something

about fewer types of bacteria in a dog's mouth. And that they may have a

more efficient way of getting rid of the bacteria.

Here's a few links.

<A HREF= " http://www.nsnews.com/issues98/w110998/mouth.html " >mouth</A>

Here's one that's interesting. It points out that bacteria in the canine

mouth is only controlled when the dog is able to produce it's natural

enzymes. The argument is made that dogs on the typical nasty " dog food " diet

are unable to produce this enzyme. Therefore, the bacteria runs amok and

hence plaque and teeth problems.

<A HREF= " http://www.amorepetfoods.com/03resources/03sun010226.html " >Amore Pet

Foods - Vancouver Sun article Feb. 26, 2001</A>

Hey, check this out! Interesting!

<A HREF= " http://www.gi.alaska.edu/ScienceForum/ASF12/1234.html " >Dog Saliva: the

Next Wonder Drug?, Alaska Science Forum</A>

Here, lemme just copy this. I thought it was humorous.

It bothers me very much that my significant other constantly allows her dog,

a male poodle, to kiss her on the mouth and lips. Is this habit unhealthy? I

give my girlfriend a lot of affection and I have told her how I feel. What

should I do? (For the record I also love the dog, Dusty, a lot).

A: Are you a man threatened by a rival male (even though he is a beast) or a

gay woman troubled by the fact that your girlfriend is flirting with a male

dog? Either way, be thankful if your only significant rival is a dog.

According to my local veterinarian, the bacteria content is much worse in

human saliva than in dog saliva. The only disease transmitted via a dog's

mouth is rabies-communicable only through a bite, and extremely rare in dogs.

A human kiss (not to mention a bite) can transmit herpes and other less

serious illnesses such as strep throat and cold sores. Your significant other

could argue that it is safer to be licked by a dog than to be kissed by a

man. On the other hand, if you cannot roll over on this one, it may be time

for your friend to fetch a new amour.

Ooooh gross! I have never been into french kissing. And it looks like I'll

be even less into it now.

<A HREF= " http://www.grossology.org/pets/kissdog.html " >Grossology the science of

gross things</A>

Kathleen

" The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed - and

hence clamorous to be led to safety - by menacing it with an endless series

of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary. "

- H.L. Mencken

In a message dated 11/19/2001 10:37:18 PM Central Standard Time,

whalen@... writes:

> Why would you think that ?

>

> Re: Introduction

>

>

> > Dogs have cleaner mouths than humans.

> >

> > Kathleen

> >

>

>

[Guest guest]

Welcome to our group. I hope you learn lots here. We are pretty

opinionated group but loveable too. Look forward to seeing you

around.

> Hi, I am a 37 year old mother of 4 children. My first three

children

> were vaccinated without any problems. My 4th child has been very

ill

> and did not begin the vaccination programme until she came out of

> hospital at 5 months. When she began to have them she started to

get

> ill with lots of respiratory problems and after she had the 2nd lot

> she had a respiratory arrest due to getting the para influenza

virus.

> It was discovered then that she did not have a thymus and all

> immunisations stopped.

>

> We have recently seen an immunologist who has stated that her T

cells

> are stable enough for her to have the rest of the vaccines but I am

> not 100% happy for her to have anymore vaccines. But also I am

> concerned about her getting measles and chicken pox because they

can

> equally be life threatening for her.

>

> I look forward to any information you can give me.

[Guest guest]

Tracie..welcome!! Glad you found us, too. What is your step

daughters name? What problems do you have with her?

My son is 8 and can be a real handful at times. Today he rode with

me for 12.5 hours and did great...except when we dropped his sister

off at her apartment (he wanted to stay and watch a video). He even

wanted to sit down and eat vs fast food, placed his napkin

appropriately on his lap and was a real gentleman. Whew!! Ok..he

did squirt ketchup on the table, but that is minor

[Guest guest]

Tracie..welcome!! Glad you found us, too. What is your step

daughters name? What problems do you have with her?

My son is 8 and can be a real handful at times. Today he rode with

me for 12.5 hours and did great...except when we dropped his sister

off at her apartment (he wanted to stay and watch a video). He even

wanted to sit down and eat vs fast food, placed his napkin

appropriately on his lap and was a real gentleman. Whew!! Ok..he

did squirt ketchup on the table, but that is minor

[Guest guest]

Welcome ,

You'll find one or two other ISOS medics on here, myself, harry, and a

few who will moan because I've fogotton them:-)

Welcome anyway, hope you enjoy the list and find it useful,

Ian

Listowner

Introduction

Hi,

Quick Note Brash work for International SOS contracted to ChevronTexaco

in Angola I am the senior nurse here we have 10 expatriate nurses between 2

platforms and the beach.

First did my Medics course in Great Yarmouth, and will be taking it again in

Aberdeen with AON who took over the course from RGIT.

Brash

Senior Nurse Supervisor InternationalSOS

Cabinda Gulf Oil Company

e-mail: Amed2@...

Telephone: Ext. 2696

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[Guest guest]

Ahh,

Didn't think there was a lot of us ISOS folks around where exactly do you

work then ?, Is your Boss Miles from London, Ian Cornish from South Africa

or the wonderful from Singapore.

Cheers Chaps

Brash \ Gavin Lines

Senior Nurse Supervisor

Cabinda Gulf Oil Company

e-mail: Amed2@...

Telephone: Ext. 2696

> Introduction

>

>

> Hi,

>

> Quick Note Brash work for International SOS contracted to

> ChevronTexaco

> in Angola I am the senior nurse here we have 10 expatriate nurses between

> 2

> platforms and the beach.

> First did my Medics course in Great Yarmouth, and will be taking it again

> in

> Aberdeen with AON who took over the course from RGIT.

>

>

>

> Brash

> Senior Nurse Supervisor InternationalSOS

> Cabinda Gulf Oil Company

> e-mail: Amed2@...

> Telephone: Ext. 2696

>

>

>

>

> Member Information:

>

> List owner: Ian Sharpe Owner@...

> Editor: Ross Boardman Editor@...

>

> Post message: egroups

> Subscribe: -subscribeegroups

> Unsubscribe: -unsubscribeegroups

>

> Thank you for supporting Remote Medics Online.

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Oh my God! I can't believe it's you! A few months back, I read about

at your website. Just heartbreaking. My condolences and warmest

regards to you and your family.

After reading your site, I have been on a mission to learn about cancer and

the politics involved in the industry. And also to make others aware of

these issues.

You have certainly come to the right place for information!

Blessings

Kathleen

In a message dated 12/28/2001 11:53:08 AM Central Standard Time,

cecilecogez@... writes:

> Hello everybody !

> My name is Cécile, I am french and living in the french Alps.

> I have had four beautiful children, but the youngest one, darling

> andre, left us at age 3.5, last June, after a 16 monthes battle

> against a deadly pediatric cancer : neuroblastoma.

> andre was born in November 1997 and was the perfectly healthy

> child from the beginning, having only " well baby " visits at the

> pediatrician, eating a lot, running all the time, a happy child.

> During Spring 1999, he received 7 different vaccines in two monthes

> (DPTH and MMR). In autumn, we noticed he was getting thinner, but the

> pediatrician (at his 2 years visit in Novemeber) told us he was OK

> ... and mid February 2000, he was diagnosed with neuroblastoma stage

> IV (metastasized all over his body, he was dying). The oncologist was

> thinking that his cancerous cells were very aggressive and that the

> cancer might have started only 6 monthes before (hence my questions

> regarding vaccines). 4 monthes after stem cell transplant, he

> relapsed.

> I met electronically Raphaelle Horwin whose son had died from a brain

> tumor, and she was the one who opened my eyes to a possible link

> between vaccines and cancer.

> Right now, I have no answer : I plan to have his frozen tumor samples

> tested for SV-40 and may be for the rubella vaccine (but what should

> we look for ?) because I found an article on Medscape linking this

> vaccine and a syndrome (OMS) related to neuroblastoma.

> I have been quite lazy these last monthes, trying to get our life on

> track even without andre, and being pregnant with twins (due next

> spring), but I want to go forward and find something, if there is

> anything to find ... It might help give some sense to the horror we

> have been through ...

> If some of you do have ideas, I will welcome them gladly !

> Last point : I also want to be as informed as possible, because I

> have to decide what to do for the baby girl and the baby boy when

> they are born, and what to do for my older daughters (almost 12, 8

> and 6)

> Thanks for listening

>

>

The Four Stages Of Life

1. You believe in Santa Claus

2. You don't believe in Santa Claus

3. You are Santa Claus

4. You look like Santa Claus

[Guest guest]

Thank you Sheri for setting me straight! Their experiences seem so alike in

many respects. Actually now that I think about it, wasn't Horwin's

cancer a MEDULLAblastoma?

Cecile, welcome. I'm so glad you found this list. As you can see, Sheri is

quite knowledgeable.

Blessings

Kathleen

In a message dated 12/28/2001 12:33:54 PM Central Standard Time,

vaccineinfo@... writes:

> No, this is Cecile. The you read about is Raphaele &

> Horwin's . Pretty strange they both have the smae name isn't

> Cecile.

>

> Sheri

>

> At 01:06 PM 12/28/2001 EST, you wrote:

> >Oh my God! I can't believe it's you! A few months back, I read about

> > at your website. Just heartbreaking. My condolences and

> warmest

> >regards to you and your family.

> >

> >After reading your site, I have been on a mission to learn about cancer

> and

> >the politics involved in the industry. And also to make others aware of

> >these issues.

> >

> >You have certainly come to the right place for information!

> >

> >Blessings

> >Kathleen

> >

> >In a message dated 12/28/2001 11:53:08 AM Central Standard Time,

> >cecilecogez@... writes:

> >

> >

> >> Hello everybody !

> >> My name is Cécile, I am french and living in the french Alps.

> >> I have had four beautiful children, but the youngest one, darling

> >> andre, left us at age 3.5, last June, after a 16 monthes battle

> >> against a deadly pediatric cancer : neuroblastoma.

> >> andre was born in November 1997 and was the perfectly healthy

> >> child from the beginning, having only " well baby " visits at the

> >> pediatrician, eating a lot, running all the time, a happy child.

> >> During Spring 1999, he received 7 different vaccines in two monthes

> >> (DPTH and MMR). In autumn, we noticed he was getting thinner, but the

> >> pediatrician (at his 2 years visit in Novemeber) told us he was OK

> >> ... and mid February 2000, he was diagnosed with neuroblastoma stage

> >> IV (metastasized all over his body, he was dying). The oncologist was

> >> thinking that his cancerous cells were very aggressive and that the

> >> cancer might have started only 6 monthes before (hence my questions

> >> regarding vaccines). 4 monthes after stem cell transplant, he

> >> relapsed.

> >> I met electronically Raphaelle Horwin whose son had died from a brain

> >> tumor, and she was the one who opened my eyes to a possible link

> >> between vaccines and cancer.

> >> Right now, I have no answer : I plan to have his frozen tumor samples

> >> tested for SV-40 and may be for the rubella vaccine (but what should

> >> we look for ?) because I found an article on Medscape linking this

> >> vaccine and a syndrome (OMS) related to neuroblastoma.

> >> I have been quite lazy these last monthes, trying to get our life on

> >> track even without andre, and being pregnant with twins (due next

> >> spring), but I want to go forward and find something, if there is

> >> anything to find ... It might help give some sense to the horror we

> >> have been through ...

> >> If some of you do have ideas, I will welcome them gladly !

> >> Last point : I also want to be as informed as possible, because I

> >> have to decide what to do for the baby girl and the baby boy when

> >> they are born, and what to do for my older daughters (almost 12, 8

> >> and 6)

> >> Thanks for listening

> >>

>

The Four Stages Of Life

1. You believe in Santa Claus

2. You don't believe in Santa Claus

3. You are Santa Claus

4. You look like Santa Claus

[Guest guest]

No, this is Cecile. The you read about is Raphaele &

Horwin's . Pretty strange they both have the smae name isn't Cecile.

Sheri

At 01:06 PM 12/28/2001 EST, you wrote:

>Oh my God! I can't believe it's you! A few months back, I read about

> at your website. Just heartbreaking. My condolences and warmest

>regards to you and your family.

>

>After reading your site, I have been on a mission to learn about cancer and

>the politics involved in the industry. And also to make others aware of

>these issues.

>

>You have certainly come to the right place for information!

>

>Blessings

>Kathleen

>

>In a message dated 12/28/2001 11:53:08 AM Central Standard Time,

>cecilecogez@... writes:

>

>

>> Hello everybody !

>> My name is Cécile, I am french and living in the french Alps.

>> I have had four beautiful children, but the youngest one, darling

>> andre, left us at age 3.5, last June, after a 16 monthes battle

>> against a deadly pediatric cancer : neuroblastoma.

>> andre was born in November 1997 and was the perfectly healthy

>> child from the beginning, having only " well baby " visits at the

>> pediatrician, eating a lot, running all the time, a happy child.

>> During Spring 1999, he received 7 different vaccines in two monthes

>> (DPTH and MMR). In autumn, we noticed he was getting thinner, but the

>> pediatrician (at his 2 years visit in Novemeber) told us he was OK

>> ... and mid February 2000, he was diagnosed with neuroblastoma stage

>> IV (metastasized all over his body, he was dying). The oncologist was

>> thinking that his cancerous cells were very aggressive and that the

>> cancer might have started only 6 monthes before (hence my questions

>> regarding vaccines). 4 monthes after stem cell transplant, he

>> relapsed.

>> I met electronically Raphaelle Horwin whose son had died from a brain

>> tumor, and she was the one who opened my eyes to a possible link

>> between vaccines and cancer.

>> Right now, I have no answer : I plan to have his frozen tumor samples

>> tested for SV-40 and may be for the rubella vaccine (but what should

>> we look for ?) because I found an article on Medscape linking this

>> vaccine and a syndrome (OMS) related to neuroblastoma.

>> I have been quite lazy these last monthes, trying to get our life on

>> track even without andre, and being pregnant with twins (due next

>> spring), but I want to go forward and find something, if there is

>> anything to find ... It might help give some sense to the horror we

>> have been through ...

>> If some of you do have ideas, I will welcome them gladly !

>> Last point : I also want to be as informed as possible, because I

>> have to decide what to do for the baby girl and the baby boy when

>> they are born, and what to do for my older daughters (almost 12, 8

>> and 6)

>> Thanks for listening

>>

>>

>

>

>The Four Stages Of Life

>1. You believe in Santa Claus

>2. You don't believe in Santa Claus

>3. You are Santa Claus

>4. You look like Santa Claus

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

My son's name is andre (not andre) and he was french

completely (both parents are !), while little had an

american father.

andre's story is on his website (see below); andre died of

neuroblastoma which is a cancer from the central nervous system,

originating more than half of the time on one adrenal gland. Little

had medulloblastoma, which is a brain tumor.

=====

Cécile, wife to , mother of Nathalie(11.5), Sandrine(8.5), Karine(6) and

andre(forever 3.5) dx 02/00 NBIV N-MYC amplified. Left us on June 14th, 2001

andre sent us two new babies due next Spring .... e-mail :

cecilecogez@...

andre's story : http://www.caringbridge.com/page/alexandre

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[Guest guest]

cecile, you are so brave! your story made me cry. Welcome to this list. you

will find out so much here.

kim

[Guest guest]

, welcome to the group. and bravo to your decision which is so clearly

based on thoughtful research. if your children are not ill, why bother to

take them to the doctor. you cannot work with a ped who has that attitude. he

will undermine your decision and make it very difficult for you to believe in

yourself. Why not wait until you have found a doctor that you can truly work

WITH in every way. search carefully and i believe you will find one. i spent

hours and hours doing this before my daughter was born when i first moved to

chicago and i found lots of doctors and one ped. i dont go to a ped. i go to

an anthroposophical doctor who works a lot with babies. she is great and im

so thankful to have found someone i trust.

you can find someone too, and in the meantime you dont have to go to someone

that you have to PROVE anything to. its not worth it.

good luck and welcome.

kim

In a message dated 1/7/2002 7:58:19 PM Central Standard Time,

rroussel@... writes:

> We

> are trying to find a new doctor for them because their current doctor

> is pro-vaccination. In fact, she told us that she believes

> vaccinations are the greatest medical accomplishment of the century.