Re: so should i be vaccinating?

[Guest guest]

Chauna,

My kids, my husband, and I all do NOT eat raw anything! We rarely (maybe

once in a blue moon) eat vegetables. I think that if you feel that your are

getting a good variety of healthy foods, you don't have to eat things your

not happy with. We eat Pizza too! And for not eating all the veggies, well

that is why most people take vitamins and minerals, to supplement what they

aren't getting from not eating veggies. I look at this way, some people don't

believe in formula feeding, some people don't believe in using cloth diapers,

some people don't believe in being a stay at home mother/father. Well, to

each his own, you need to do what is best for you and your children! I was

unable to breastfeed, so instead of starving my child, I used formula. Some

people will be upset to hear another say they don't believe in that, but what

works for one family doesn't mean it will work for the next. Just like some

people think vaccines are safe, while others believe they are not. It must be

up to each individual parent to make a choice they feel is best for them and

their children.

So regardless what others may think, or what they say, you need to do what

you feel is right for you and your child!

M

[Guest guest]

On the other hand. Just the opposite may be true. IT may be even more

critical to not inject chemicals and diseases into your child.

I don't have the best diet either, although I definitely try with dd to give

her good stuff. vegies, meat, and fruits. I know how difficutl it is to not

only change your outlook on food but then to actually be able to live on

what you are left with. I am definitely not a chef and always figured I

would have a maid someday. Hehe. But even on the typical American diet, I

still believe that not vaxing is still the best choice. As far as my

research goes, it seems to be the children who are not the healthiest (ie

just getting over a cold, etc.) who have the majority of the adverse

reactions.

It is still injecting a lot of harmful toxins into your perfect child.

I hope this helps Chauna! And have you ever looked into juicing. I am just

struggling to make it a regular part of our day, but you can make juices

that the kids will drink and still hide " good " vegies in them.

Kim

Mom to Sami (11 mo)

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>Subject: Re: Re: so should i be vaccinating?

>Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 21:47:20 -0600

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>I guess we just have differing ideas of what constitutes " good " or " tasty "

>food. I think healthy snacks are great, and I don't just mean carrot

>sticks and broccoli. I think a person has to completely change their

>outlook on food and nutrition to understand, and it's unrealistic of me to

>expect everyone to agree with me. So I'll bow out of this thread.

>As answer to your question, I have no idea but I guess if I were concerned

>and had a diet lifestyle like your family, then I would be more worried

>about my kid's immune systems since they are getting lots of fat,

>cholestorol, preservatives, food dyes, chemicals, etc. In that case, for

>me personally, I might consider vax'ing more than I would if I had a good

>diet like we do now.

>

>Mel

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> you know, i just think it's not realistic to expect my kids to eat

> carrot sticks and broccoli spears for a snack. that sounded really

> snotty, didn't mean it that way! i really enjoy food, as does my

> husband, and i like a variety of it. ofcourse, mitchell won't be

> able to enjoy it as much (unless he outgrows his allergies), but i

> can't help but feeling that i would be depriving my kids if it didn't

> let them enjoy food. granted, my first post was pretty liberal. we

> eat mostly fruits for snacks, but they're not organic. we eat

> veggies (well, not my husband, but the rest of us), but we often boil

> them or eat the canned variety. i just hate feeling like i'm doing

> my family a disservice because i don't make them gag down all this

> disgusting food, telling them all the while that it's boosting their

> immunity -- come on! that's going to go a long ways with kids. i

> don't want everyone to think that i'm stuffing horrible things down

> my kids' throats throughout the day, because we do enjoy a lot of

> healthy foods, but we enjoy " fun " foods, too. i consider our diet a

> typical american one. but my question still stands -- should i be

> vaccinating my kids because we choose to eat for fun as much as for

> neccessity?

> chauna

>

>

> > I hope I am not coming down on you by saying this but why such an

> unhealthy

> > diet for kids? You don't have to eliminate meat or dairy

> completely to eat

> > well.

> > Mel

> >

> >

> > >i have read several posts that say that to build up the child's

> > >natural immunities one should feed them vegan, 80% raw, etc. diets.

> > >well, let me just say that is not realistic for me or my family.

> so

> > >in light of the fact that we eat mcdonald's once a week, pizza just

> > >as often, plenty of red meat, and ice cream for dessert, should i

> be

> > >vaccinating my kids?

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

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[Guest guest]

I hope I am not coming down on you by saying this but why such an unhealthy

diet for kids? You don't have to eliminate meat or dairy completely to eat

well.

Mel

>i have read several posts that say that to build up the child's

>natural immunities one should feed them vegan, 80% raw, etc. diets.

>well, let me just say that is not realistic for me or my family. so

>in light of the fact that we eat mcdonald's once a week, pizza just

>as often, plenty of red meat, and ice cream for dessert, should i be

>vaccinating my kids?

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

you know, i just think it's not realistic to expect my kids to eat

carrot sticks and broccoli spears for a snack. that sounded really

snotty, didn't mean it that way! i really enjoy food, as does my

husband, and i like a variety of it. ofcourse, mitchell won't be

able to enjoy it as much (unless he outgrows his allergies), but i

can't help but feeling that i would be depriving my kids if it didn't

let them enjoy food. granted, my first post was pretty liberal. we

eat mostly fruits for snacks, but they're not organic. we eat

veggies (well, not my husband, but the rest of us), but we often boil

them or eat the canned variety. i just hate feeling like i'm doing

my family a disservice because i don't make them gag down all this

disgusting food, telling them all the while that it's boosting their

immunity -- come on! that's going to go a long ways with kids. i

don't want everyone to think that i'm stuffing horrible things down

my kids' throats throughout the day, because we do enjoy a lot of

healthy foods, but we enjoy " fun " foods, too. i consider our diet a

typical american one. but my question still stands -- should i be

vaccinating my kids because we choose to eat for fun as much as for

neccessity?

chauna

> I hope I am not coming down on you by saying this but why such an

unhealthy

> diet for kids? You don't have to eliminate meat or dairy

completely to eat

> well.

> Mel

>

>

> >i have read several posts that say that to build up the child's

> >natural immunities one should feed them vegan, 80% raw, etc. diets.

> >well, let me just say that is not realistic for me or my family.

so

> >in light of the fact that we eat mcdonald's once a week, pizza just

> >as often, plenty of red meat, and ice cream for dessert, should i

be

> >vaccinating my kids?

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I guess we just have differing ideas of what constitutes "good" or "tasty" food. I think healthy snacks are great, and I don't just mean carrot sticks and broccoli. I think a person has to completely change their outlook on food and nutrition to understand, and it's unrealistic of me to expect everyone to agree with me. So I'll bow out of this thread.

As answer to your question, I have no idea but I guess if I were concerned and had a diet lifestyle like your family, then I would be more worried about my kid's immune systems since they are getting lots of fat, cholestorol, preservatives, food dyes, chemicals, etc. In that case, for me personally, I might consider vax'ing more than I would if I had a good diet like we do now.

Mel

Re: so should i be vaccinating?you know, i just think it's not realistic to expect my kids to eat carrot sticks and broccoli spears for a snack. that sounded really snotty, didn't mean it that way! i really enjoy food, as does my husband, and i like a variety of it. ofcourse, mitchell won't be able to enjoy it as much (unless he outgrows his allergies), but i can't help but feeling that i would be depriving my kids if it didn't let them enjoy food. granted, my first post was pretty liberal. we eat mostly fruits for snacks, but they're not organic. we eat veggies (well, not my husband, but the rest of us), but we often boil them or eat the canned variety. i just hate feeling like i'm doing my family a disservice because i don't make them gag down all this disgusting food, telling them all the while that it's boosting their immunity -- come on! that's going to go a long ways with kids. i don't want everyone to think that i'm stuffing horrible things down my kids' throats throughout the day, because we do enjoy a lot of healthy foods, but we enjoy "fun" foods, too. i consider our diet a typical american one. but my question still stands -- should i be vaccinating my kids because we choose to eat for fun as much as for neccessity?chauna> I hope I am not coming down on you by saying this but why such an unhealthy> diet for kids? You don't have to eliminate meat or dairy completely to eat> well.> Mel> > > >i have read several posts that say that to build up the child's> >natural immunities one should feed them vegan, 80% raw, etc. diets.> >well, let me just say that is not realistic for me or my family. so> >in light of the fact that we eat mcdonald's once a week, pizza just> >as often, plenty of red meat, and ice cream for dessert, should i be> >vaccinating my kids?> >> >> >> >

[Guest guest]

i personally don't believe the vaccines improve the health of anyone,

so IMHO as a starting point they are better of without them. but,

whether or not you vaccinate, the kids will benefit from a healthier

diet in general (and so will you and randy). converting to healthier

eating can be a slow process and doesn't have to be one of suffering.

i make a yummier burger than mcd's any day and i use beef, just beef

that doesn't have hormones and steroids added to it. i eat bread, but

not white bread, and the 7 grain bread we eat is so soft and yummy

too. we eat peanut butter, but get the fresh ground stuff rather than

peter pan which has added sugar and hydrogenated oil. a little change

here and there over time will make such a difference. and once you

start eating a wider variety of whole foods, you begin to not like

the processed food so much. you realize it has no flavor, except

salt. when i met my DH he was a chinese food and doritos man. now

he's not so fond of the stuff and gets hankerings for it much less

often.

the typical american anything and everything is generally just

something marketed to us, shoved down our throats and we are told

(brainwashed into thinkning) we like it better that way. look all

around at everything, it is mass marketing, even your taste buds

aren't individual anymore. your tastes have to fit in with the tastes

of millions of others because you are a target market for the

products being sold. they have to have broad appeal.

does anybody, even kids, REALLY like the taste of a mcdonald's burger

over a tasty homemade one? - no, but we are conditioned to believe we

do, even if we have a belly ache and the runs after it - get pepto

bismal! *lol*

just consider the old saying - you are what you eat. it is the basic

building blocks to a healthy life. the food patterns established now

will be with your little ones for the rest of their lives - 50, 80,

110 years from now, what is established at meal time today will

affect them. choose how to teach this so influencial and crucial life

lesson wisely (all of us parents!). established eating patterns are

difficult to change and are also the root of many diseases in our

culture. food does not have to be bland, yucky, and boring to be

healthy and nourishing. and it doesn't have to be fake and fattening

to be appealing.

*hugs*

chris

> i have read several posts that say that to build up the child's

> natural immunities one should feed them vegan, 80% raw, etc.

diets.

> well, let me just say that is not realistic for me or my family.

so

> in light of the fact that we eat mcdonald's once a week, pizza just

> as often, plenty of red meat, and ice cream for dessert, should i

be

> vaccinating my kids?

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 8/15/00 11:34:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

chaunamarie@... writes:

<< . i consider our diet a

typical american one. but my question still stands -- should i be

vaccinating my kids because we choose to eat for fun as much as for

neccessity?

chauna

>>

In my opinion, no. Your letter sounded like you mean you have " some " junk

stuff. Are you basically eating a healthy diet though> You say it's a

typical american, but that you are getting in lots of fruits and veggies,

right? I don't condsider that typical american.

I think my family has a really really good diet, especially compared to other

shopping carts I see. <ugghh> Most of our food is great. WE eat TONS of fruit

s and veggies. Taking my kids into the fruit market is like heaven for them.

They want to try Everything.

However, we do have icecream once a week or so. We usually don't eat organic,

as it's already expensive to buy other veggies. Here in SW PA, it is SO exp.

to eat organic. However, a friend of mine just found an organic coop. I will

be joining that next year!

You know, do your best. Make good decisions You'll be ok